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"did "every little bit hurt"..... i'll grab me coat........." Fabio.. I tried the vegan whopper like you said..like it 
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"There is a video of a Tesco van taking out a cyclist on the Daily Mail on line website. No doubt in my mind the van should not have turned if the cyclist was in his mirrors but was the cyclist undertaking.. " No watch the full video, the Tesco van overtook the cyclist then turned left immediately. He should have slowed whilst signaling left, allowed the cyclist to pass the left turn then turned left | |||
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"Is he alright? " Driver will be shaken up I’m sure, but will be ok in time | |||
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"Is he alright? Driver will be shaken up I’m sure, but will be ok in time " Oh good. Sending him positive vibes | |||
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"Is he alright? Driver will be shaken up I’m sure, but will be ok in time " I'm hoping you meant the cyclist...  | |||
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"There is a video of a Tesco van taking out a cyclist on the Daily Mail on line website. No doubt in my mind the van should not have turned if the cyclist was in his mirrors but was the cyclist undertaking.. No watch the full video, the Tesco van overtook the cyclist then turned left immediately. He should have slowed whilst signaling left, allowed the cyclist to pass the left turn then turned left" The full video is on Twitter, and makes shocking viewing. The van driver was clearly at fault. | |||
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"Is he alright? Driver will be shaken up I’m sure, but will be ok in time I'm hoping you meant the cyclist... "Hope they are both ok | |||
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"The driver hasn't actually been formally identified. Although the "driver" has been fined £300 and 6 points for "refusing to disclose the driver". Its all a bit of a joke and it seems that Tesco have tried their best to avoid providing any assistance to the police to avoid insurance issues. Its all a bit of a joke to be honest and not in a funny haha way. The poor cyclist is lucky not to have lost a leg or worse. " Will maybe think twice the next time they are going to undertake | |||
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"The driver hasn't actually been formally identified. Although the "driver" has been fined £300 and 6 points for "refusing to disclose the driver". Its all a bit of a joke and it seems that Tesco have tried their best to avoid providing any assistance to the police to avoid insurance issues. Its all a bit of a joke to be honest and not in a funny haha way. The poor cyclist is lucky not to have lost a leg or worse. Will maybe think twice the next time they are going to undertake " Who undertook? | |||
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"Is he alright? Driver will be shaken up I’m sure, but will be ok in time I'm hoping you meant the cyclist... "Indeed I do | |||
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"The driver hasn't actually been formally identified. Although the "driver" has been fined £300 and 6 points for "refusing to disclose the driver". Its all a bit of a joke and it seems that Tesco have tried their best to avoid providing any assistance to the police to avoid insurance issues. Its all a bit of a joke to be honest and not in a funny haha way. The poor cyclist is lucky not to have lost a leg or worse. Will maybe think twice the next time they are going to undertake " 0/10 stale bait | |||
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"There is a video of a Tesco van taking out a cyclist on the Daily Mail on line website. No doubt in my mind the van should not have turned if the cyclist was in his mirrors but was the cyclist undertaking.. " its food for thought anyways   | |||
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"There is a video of a Tesco van taking out a cyclist on the Daily Mail on line website. No doubt in my mind the van should not have turned if the cyclist was in his mirrors but was the cyclist undertaking.. its food for thought anyways "Agree | |||
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"Undertaking is not illegal but clearly unsafe. But before you turn left not checking your mirrors first can see deemed driving without due care and attention " If you were on the motorway and someone passed you, got about 2 feet ahead of you and then braked and swerved back into your lane, whilst you continued at a constant speed, you'd be a bit pissed off, I'd say. | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. " Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. " Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. | |||
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"To my mind he was undertaking the van which was keeping away from blue cycle path until turning..Either way the cyclist should have been cycling defensively because for his own safety.." Really how did you get that from watching the video? The van overtook the cyclist and then turned in on him. He has also not admitted to driving even though his is on video so the CPS could not prosecute for the correct offence. Its disgusting. Also why should it be the cyclist who is responsible and cycle defensively. Defensively would involve taking the lane and moving to position 1 in the middle of the lane. | |||
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"Cant stand road cyclists, but this was the drivers fault. No way did he think he was far enough in front of the cyclist to have time to turn left. The cyclist wasnt undertaking, how could he? He van hadn't fully overtook him yet"  broad statement "I cant stand road cyclists".
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"Delivery drivers are not known for their intellect. " A lot of delivery drivers, especially the supermarket ones, are penalised for not hitting their time slots so they end up driving around like lunatics which is possibly what happened here. | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. " Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation | |||
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"Delivery drivers are not known for their intellect. A lot of delivery drivers, especially the supermarket ones, are penalised for not hitting their time slots so they end up driving around like lunatics which is possibly what happened here. " its one thing hitting their slots but hitting their customers is another  | |||
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"Delivery drivers are not known for their intellect. " To be fair they have one eye on the road and one looking out for the customers road.. I would not do it.. Van driver at fault in my opinion but not seen the longer video that Lisa Belle refers to | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation " How is the cyclist at fault? | |||
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"Delivery drivers are not known for their intellect. A lot of delivery drivers, especially the supermarket ones, are penalised for not hitting their time slots so they end up driving around like lunatics which is possibly what happened here. " And parcel couriers.. they hardly wait for someone to answer before they dump the parcel and are off | |||
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"Delivery drivers are not known for their intellect. To be fair they have one eye on the road and one looking out for the customers road.. I would not do it.. Van driver at fault in my opinion but not seen the longer video that Lisa Belle refers to" Someone has just posted a YouTube link to the longer video above. It's worth watching. | |||
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"Delivery drivers are not known for their intellect. A lot of delivery drivers, especially the supermarket ones, are penalised for not hitting their time slots so they end up driving around like lunatics which is possibly what happened here. its one thing hitting their slots but hitting their customers is another " | |||
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" broad statement "I cant stand road cyclists".
"A very broad statement considering how many people that covers and curious to know the rationale behind it. Is it the poster is a mountain biker or just cannot stand road cyclists. | |||
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A very broad statement considering how many people that covers and curious to know the rationale behind it. Is it the poster is a mountain biker or just cannot stand road cyclists."a lot of motorists get very tetchy where cyclists are concerned, i think its an impatience thing eg a car in front is driving 1 mile an hour slower than speed limit toot toot so imagine what a cyclist does slowing their progress | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault?" The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault? The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver " So the cyclist is in the advanced stop line at the lights. Positioned correctly. He pulls away from the lights using the cycle lane. He has 2 rear lights to help drivers spot him. He hold his position and is riding at a constant speed. The van meanwhile pulls level with the cyclist but does not pass him. Then the van indicates maybe 10 metres from the junction and turns while also braking. So when you say the cyclist could have handled the road situation better what would you recomend he did differently? | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault? The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver So the cyclist is in the advanced stop line at the lights. Positioned correctly. He pulls away from the lights using the cycle lane. He has 2 rear lights to help drivers spot him. He hold his position and is riding at a constant speed. The van meanwhile pulls level with the cyclist but does not pass him. Then the van indicates maybe 10 metres from the junction and turns while also braking. So when you say the cyclist could have handled the road situation better what would you recomend he did differently?" Easy to comment and judge in hindsight from the vantage point of a camera looking onto the situation ... Very different in real time, for both cyclist and driver | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault? The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver So the cyclist is in the advanced stop line at the lights. Positioned correctly. He pulls away from the lights using the cycle lane. He has 2 rear lights to help drivers spot him. He hold his position and is riding at a constant speed. The van meanwhile pulls level with the cyclist but does not pass him. Then the van indicates maybe 10 metres from the junction and turns while also braking. So when you say the cyclist could have handled the road situation better what would you recomend he did differently? Easy to comment and judge in hindsight from the vantage point of a camera looking onto the situation ... Very different in real time, for both cyclist and driver " But you said the cyclist could have handled the road situation better and I'm genuinely curious as to what you think he could or should have done differently? | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault? The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver So the cyclist is in the advanced stop line at the lights. Positioned correctly. He pulls away from the lights using the cycle lane. He has 2 rear lights to help drivers spot him. He hold his position and is riding at a constant speed. The van meanwhile pulls level with the cyclist but does not pass him. Then the van indicates maybe 10 metres from the junction and turns while also braking. So when you say the cyclist could have handled the road situation better what would you recomend he did differently? Easy to comment and judge in hindsight from the vantage point of a camera looking onto the situation ... Very different in real time, for both cyclist and driver But you said the cyclist could have handled the road situation better and I'm genuinely curious as to what you think he could or should have done differently? " Van indicating left - reduced speed | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault? The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver So the cyclist is in the advanced stop line at the lights. Positioned correctly. He pulls away from the lights using the cycle lane. He has 2 rear lights to help drivers spot him. He hold his position and is riding at a constant speed. The van meanwhile pulls level with the cyclist but does not pass him. Then the van indicates maybe 10 metres from the junction and turns while also braking. So when you say the cyclist could have handled the road situation better what would you recomend he did differently? Easy to comment and judge in hindsight from the vantage point of a camera looking onto the situation ... Very different in real time, for both cyclist and driver But you said the cyclist could have handled the road situation better and I'm genuinely curious as to what you think he could or should have done differently? Van indicating left - reduced speed" How/when would the cyclist have seen that? As someone else said the van seems to indicate, brake and turn at the same time. The van doesn't indicate until a matter of metres before the junction and the cyclist would not have been able to see the indicators? | |||
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"Maybe its the universe getting even for every cyclist whose ridden on the pavement, or straight through a junction on a red light, or narrowly missed people on a pedestrian crossing" Or maybe it isn't? | |||
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"did "every little bit hurt"..... i'll grab me coat........." | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault? The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver So the cyclist is in the advanced stop line at the lights. Positioned correctly. He pulls away from the lights using the cycle lane. He has 2 rear lights to help drivers spot him. He hold his position and is riding at a constant speed. The van meanwhile pulls level with the cyclist but does not pass him. Then the van indicates maybe 10 metres from the junction and turns while also braking. So when you say the cyclist could have handled the road situation better what would you recomend he did differently? Easy to comment and judge in hindsight from the vantage point of a camera looking onto the situation ... Very different in real time, for both cyclist and driver But you said the cyclist could have handled the road situation better and I'm genuinely curious as to what you think he could or should have done differently? Van indicating left - reduced speed How/when would the cyclist have seen that? As someone else said the van seems to indicate, brake and turn at the same time. The van doesn't indicate until a matter of metres before the junction and the cyclist would not have been able to see the indicators? " ... and as I’ve said - watching a video after the event is very different to it happening real time - for both cyclist and driver. Hopefully videos like this serve as an education for drivers and cyclists | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault? The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver So the cyclist is in the advanced stop line at the lights. Positioned correctly. He pulls away from the lights using the cycle lane. He has 2 rear lights to help drivers spot him. He hold his position and is riding at a constant speed. The van meanwhile pulls level with the cyclist but does not pass him. Then the van indicates maybe 10 metres from the junction and turns while also braking. So when you say the cyclist could have handled the road situation better what would you recomend he did differently? Easy to comment and judge in hindsight from the vantage point of a camera looking onto the situation ... Very different in real time, for both cyclist and driver But you said the cyclist could have handled the road situation better and I'm genuinely curious as to what you think he could or should have done differently? Van indicating left - reduced speed How/when would the cyclist have seen that? As someone else said the van seems to indicate, brake and turn at the same time. The van doesn't indicate until a matter of metres before the junction and the cyclist would not have been able to see the indicators? ... and as I’ve said - watching a video after the event is very different to it happening real time - for both cyclist and driver. Hopefully videos like this serve as an education for drivers and cyclists " So even though you cant identify anythibg the cyclist did wrong you still seem to apportion partial blame to them? | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault? The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver So the cyclist is in the advanced stop line at the lights. Positioned correctly. He pulls away from the lights using the cycle lane. He has 2 rear lights to help drivers spot him. He hold his position and is riding at a constant speed. The van meanwhile pulls level with the cyclist but does not pass him. Then the van indicates maybe 10 metres from the junction and turns while also braking. So when you say the cyclist could have handled the road situation better what would you recomend he did differently? Easy to comment and judge in hindsight from the vantage point of a camera looking onto the situation ... Very different in real time, for both cyclist and driver But you said the cyclist could have handled the road situation better and I'm genuinely curious as to what you think he could or should have done differently? Van indicating left - reduced speed How/when would the cyclist have seen that? As someone else said the van seems to indicate, brake and turn at the same time. The van doesn't indicate until a matter of metres before the junction and the cyclist would not have been able to see the indicators? ... and as I’ve said - watching a video after the event is very different to it happening real time - for both cyclist and driver. Hopefully videos like this serve as an education for drivers and cyclists So even though you cant identify anythibg the cyclist did wrong you still seem to apportion partial blame to them?" Drivers and cyclists can both learn from this video | |||
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"I think some of these people commenting and blaming the cyclist haven't actually watched the video. Or just seen the shortened clip showing the collision not the lead up. Ah, didn't know there was a short clip. The longer version definitely gives a true perspective of what happened. Fault on both sides These situations are never clear cut Not a speculative comment - made from own experience of similar situation How is the cyclist at fault? The cyclist could have handled the road situation better - as could the van driver So the cyclist is in the advanced stop line at the lights. Positioned correctly. He pulls away from the lights using the cycle lane. He has 2 rear lights to help drivers spot him. He hold his position and is riding at a constant speed. The van meanwhile pulls level with the cyclist but does not pass him. Then the van indicates maybe 10 metres from the junction and turns while also braking. So when you say the cyclist could have handled the road situation better what would you recomend he did differently? Easy to comment and judge in hindsight from the vantage point of a camera looking onto the situation ... Very different in real time, for both cyclist and driver But you said the cyclist could have handled the road situation better and I'm genuinely curious as to what you think he could or should have done differently? Van indicating left - reduced speed How/when would the cyclist have seen that? As someone else said the van seems to indicate, brake and turn at the same time. The van doesn't indicate until a matter of metres before the junction and the cyclist would not have been able to see the indicators? ... and as I’ve said - watching a video after the event is very different to it happening real time - for both cyclist and driver. Hopefully videos like this serve as an education for drivers and cyclists So even though you cant identify anythibg the cyclist did wrong you still seem to apportion partial blame to them? Drivers and cyclists can both learn from this video " Yes cyclists can learn that every vehicle could kill them because the driver is not paying attention and is driving dangerously. But most cyclists know that anyway. | |||
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"Cant stand road cyclists, but this was the drivers fault. No way did he think he was far enough in front of the cyclist to have time to turn left. The cyclist wasnt undertaking, how could he? He van hadn't fully overtook him yet broad statement "I cant stand road cyclists".
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" broad statement "I cant stand road cyclists".
A very broad statement considering how many people that covers and curious to know the rationale behind it. Is it the poster is a mountain biker or just cannot stand road cyclists."Mountain biker, good guess | |||
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"Neither look good. Both wrong and should have taken more care. Diver overtook, slowed down then indicated and turned left. Cyclist failed to react to surroundings - continued at same speed, in spite of van slowing down and left turn approaching and undertook van, or started to. Stupid not to ride more defensively." Fully agree with the above. Cyclists are vulnerable. They will always come off 2nd best in any tussle with a motor vehicle and therefore it makes self preservation sense for them to drive defensively.. | |||
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"There is a video of a Tesco van taking out a cyclist on the Daily Mail on line website. No doubt in my mind the van should not have turned if the cyclist was in his mirrors but was the cyclist undertaking.. No watch the full video, the Tesco van overtook the cyclist then turned left immediately. He should have slowed whilst signaling left, allowed the cyclist to pass the left turn then turned left" The van “left hooked” its illegal van totally in the wrong | |||
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"Cant stand road cyclists, but this was the drivers fault. No way did he think he was far enough in front of the cyclist to have time to turn left. The cyclist wasnt undertaking, how could he? He van hadn't fully overtook him yet" Me Commuter cyclist. Mountain Biker. Road Cyclist. Please tell me in which mode I'm allowed to ride one of my bikes oh your greatness? Actually, don't bother. You can stick your valueless 'opinion' where the sun doesn't shine. | |||
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"On balance...it was an accident..not deliberate.. Possibly the van drivers fault but an accident that shows how vulnerable cyclists are " That's BS. Use of the word accident is discouraged by police, who use the word collision. 'Accident' does not negate fault. The driver may not have intended to collide but he is clearly at fault. Rule 183 Highway Code When turning, give way to any vehicles using a Bus Lane, Cycle Lane or Tramway from either direction. A cycle is a vehicle & has legally been defined as such since 1879. (Taylor V Goodwin 1879) | |||
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"Cant stand road cyclists, but this was the drivers fault. No way did he think he was far enough in front of the cyclist to have time to turn left. The cyclist wasnt undertaking, how could he? He van hadn't fully overtook him yet" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you read this by Naomi Loomes? Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton, 21st January 2009. A grandmother suffered broken bones and a bloody face after she was hit by a cyclist riding on the pavement. Amanda Sewell, 64, suffered shattered bones in her hand and a black eye when a teenager on a mountain bike ploughed into her. The incident happened on Monday at about 3.30pm in Marine Parade, Brighton. Mrs Sewell, a grandmother of one, said: "I was crossing the pavement, almost at the railings overlooking the beach, when he hit me. "I was knocked to the ground and had blood pouring from my mouth. "It was dazzling sunlight and I can only think he didn't see me. He was about 19 years old. "He stopped but then told me it was my fault and I shouldn t have been there. I was so angry. "I told him I had every right to be there because it was a pavement for pedestrians and told him he must be much more careful in future because he could hit a child, but he just cycled off." Mrs Sewell, from Kemp Town, went to the Royal Sussex County Hospital in Brighton and was treated for her injuries. Should cyclists take more care or do pedestrians not take enough notice of cyclits (typo)? Tell us below... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mountain bikers ain't no angels. I've had at least half a dozen mountain bikes and about 10 road bikes and never done anything like that. | |||
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"It was an unfortunate coming together.. It was careless and dangerous driving, nothing unfortunate about it " Exactly. Just because it wasn't deliberate doesn't mean the driver wasn't to blame | |||
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"Cant stand road cyclists, but this was the drivers fault. No way did he think he was far enough in front of the cyclist to have time to turn left. The cyclist wasnt undertaking, how could he? He van hadn't fully overtook him yet Me Commuter cyclist. Mountain Biker. Road Cyclist. Please tell me in which mode I'm allowed to ride one of my bikes oh your greatness? Actually, don't bother. You can stick your valueless 'opinion' where the sun doesn't shine." | |||
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"As a driver of cars vans motorcycles and cycles you get to learn hell of a lot of drivers hate any vehicles with two wheels always plenty of ignorant arseholes willing to moan about cyclists what would happen to the traffic situation if everyone who rides got a car instead. " Be even better if everyone who drove a car rode a bike instead | |||
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"As a driver of cars vans motorcycles and cycles you get to learn hell of a lot of drivers hate any vehicles with two wheels always plenty of ignorant arseholes willing to moan about cyclists what would happen to the traffic situation if everyone who rides got a car instead. " | |||
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"Just waiting for the comment that the cyclist shouldn't have been on the road as they don't pay 'road tax'. " Your right that’s always thrown into the mix on these anti cycling posts. | |||
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"Just waiting for the comment that the cyclist shouldn't have been on the road as they don't pay 'road tax'. It took 83 comments before you did Looks like I stole your thunder... "Eh? | |||
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and exercise caution.
The biker did not exercise sufficient caution at the left turn. He could have but didn't ....
When children are at the roadside with head phones on I don't think ...... ''those kids better not cross in front of me or they are dead' .... I think 'best slow down and watch the kids till im sure it's safe' .....
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"Okay let me beggar your belief a bit further. I apportion blame to the driver for not using sufficient caution when turning left .... for what ever reason. I apportion blame to the cyclist - NOT for the accident - but for not using sufficient caution. 1. Why didn't the cyclist hold back until the van passed the left turn ? Just that tiny bit of thought would have prevented that accident. He took for granted that the driver wouldn't turn. If you look at the video you will notice the solid white border which prohibits the van from driving in the blue lane. As the van reached the left turn the line is unbroken and he is allowed to cross the blue lane. ( he should have made sure there wasn't anyone in the blue lane first - granted ) The cyclist should be aware of blue lane rules and should have realised the possibility of a driver crossing a broken line and then he could have continued to undertake the van when he was passing houses etc..... When I approach a mini roundabout or junction .... I don't think ' oh that driver not indicating is going to go straight over'...... I think ' where is this soft bastard going' .... and exercise caution.
The biker did not exercise sufficient caution at the left turn. He could have but didn't ....
When children are at the roadside with head phones on I don't think ...... ''those kids better not cross in front of me or they are dead' .... I think 'best slow down and watch the kids till im sure it's safe' .....
It's up to everyone. Every road user.
If it went to court...... The driver'd lose. "Fully agree. Regardless of what "should" be done we are all within the realm of using common sense and just not trusting that others will do the correct thing. We all make mistakes and make judgement calls, some fairly bad ones. Just think how many times you have seen a driver (or cyclist) do something totally stupid, dangerous, or just straight up law breaking. It's fairly common so I never trust anyone to do the right thing that way I'm prepared to adapt myself. | |||
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"Okay let me beggar your belief a bit further. I apportion blame to the driver for not using sufficient caution when turning left .... for what ever reason. I apportion blame to the cyclist - NOT for the accident - but for not using sufficient caution. 1. Why didn't the cyclist hold back until the van passed the left turn ? Just that tiny bit of thought would have prevented that accident. He took for granted that the driver wouldn't turn. If you look at the video you will notice the solid white border which prohibits the van from driving in the blue lane. As the van reached the left turn the line is unbroken and he is allowed to cross the blue lane. ( he should have made sure there wasn't anyone in the blue lane first - granted ) The cyclist should be aware of blue lane rules and should have realised the possibility of a driver crossing a broken line and then he could have continued to undertake the van when he was passing houses etc..... When I approach a mini roundabout or junction .... I don't think ' oh that driver not indicating is going to go straight over'...... I think ' where is this soft bastard going' .... and exercise caution.
The biker did not exercise sufficient caution at the left turn. He could have but didn't ....
When children are at the roadside with head phones on I don't think ...... ''those kids better not cross in front of me or they are dead' .... I think 'best slow down and watch the kids till im sure it's safe' .....
It's up to everyone. Every road user.
If it went to court...... The driver'd lose. "You sure speak sense for someone who farts dust and cleans their teeth overnight in a glass tumbler by the bed. | |||
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"Okay let me beggar your belief a bit further. I apportion blame to the driver for not using sufficient caution when turning left .... for what ever reason. I apportion blame to the cyclist - NOT for the accident - but for not using sufficient caution. 1. Why didn't the cyclist hold back until the van passed the left turn ? Just that tiny bit of thought would have prevented that accident. He took for granted that the driver wouldn't turn. If you look at the video you will notice the solid white border which prohibits the van from driving in the blue lane. As the van reached the left turn the line is unbroken and he is allowed to cross the blue lane. ( he should have made sure there wasn't anyone in the blue lane first - granted ) The cyclist should be aware of blue lane rules and should have realised the possibility of a driver crossing a broken line and then he could have continued to undertake the van when he was passing houses etc..... When I approach a mini roundabout or junction .... I don't think ' oh that driver not indicating is going to go straight over'...... I think ' where is this soft bastard going' .... and exercise caution.
The biker did not exercise sufficient caution at the left turn. He could have but didn't ....
When children are at the roadside with head phones on I don't think ...... ''those kids better not cross in front of me or they are dead' .... I think 'best slow down and watch the kids till im sure it's safe' .....
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" broad statement "I cant stand road cyclists".
A very broad statement considering how many people that covers and curious to know the rationale behind it. Is it the poster is a mountain biker or just cannot stand road cyclists.a lot of motorists get very tetchy where cyclists are concerned, i think its an impatience thing eg a car in front is driving 1 mile an hour slower than speed limit toot toot so imagine what a cyclist does slowing their progress "this | |||
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"Both are to blame. As a cyclist if you place yourself in that position (if the car / van is indicating or not) then you’re asking for trouble. The van should have checked his mirrors before turning in. That’s just basic. " The position of being in a marked lane,ahead of the van driver & with priority according to rule 183 of the Highway Code? The cyclist did absolutely nothing wrong, yet you people are desperate to apportion blame to him. Try this mental exercise.. If you are driving in lane 1 of the motorway & are approaching a junction. As you get alongside the junction a van in lane 2 overtakes & pulls across lane 1 & collides with you, who is at fault? Exactly the same scenario. | |||
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"Both are to blame. As a cyclist if you place yourself in that position (if the car / van is indicating or not) then you’re asking for trouble. The van should have checked his mirrors before turning in. That’s just basic. The position of being in a marked lane,ahead of the van driver & with priority according to rule 183 of the Highway Code? The cyclist did absolutely nothing wrong, yet you people are desperate to apportion blame to him. Try this mental exercise.. If you are driving in lane 1 of the motorway & are approaching a junction. As you get alongside the junction a van in lane 2 overtakes & pulls across lane 1 & collides with you, who is at fault? Exactly the same scenario." Dont confuse the Highway code with Road Traffic Law!! | |||
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"Both are to blame. As a cyclist if you place yourself in that position (if the car / van is indicating or not) then you’re asking for trouble. The van should have checked his mirrors before turning in. That’s just basic. The position of being in a marked lane,ahead of the van driver & with priority according to rule 183 of the Highway Code? The cyclist did absolutely nothing wrong, yet you people are desperate to apportion blame to him. Try this mental exercise.. If you are driving in lane 1 of the motorway & are approaching a junction. As you get alongside the junction a van in lane 2 overtakes & pulls across lane 1 & collides with you, who is at fault? Exactly the same scenario." I disagree to an extent. He did nothing legally wrong, but committed a crime against common sense. Van - 3.5 tonnes of metal and plastic. Cyclist - 90 kilos of meat bag. He should have checked thoroughly that the van wasn't going to veer across him at a junction and should have slowed so that his position on the road was suitable for the situation, or potential situation. Every competent cyclist should know that a road vehicle will do the wrong thing every time, and be prepared for it. | |||
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"Both are to blame. As a cyclist if you place yourself in that position (if the car / van is indicating or not) then you’re asking for trouble. The van should have checked his mirrors before turning in. That’s just basic. The position of being in a marked lane,ahead of the van driver & with priority according to rule 183 of the Highway Code? The cyclist did absolutely nothing wrong, yet you people are desperate to apportion blame to him. Try this mental exercise.. If you are driving in lane 1 of the motorway & are approaching a junction. As you get alongside the junction a van in lane 2 overtakes & pulls across lane 1 & collides with you, who is at fault? Exactly the same scenario. Dont confuse the Highway code with Road Traffic Law!!" You think the RTA 1988 wasn't in breach there? | |||
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"Both are to blame. As a cyclist if you place yourself in that position (if the car / van is indicating or not) then you’re asking for trouble. The van should have checked his mirrors before turning in. That’s just basic. The position of being in a marked lane,ahead of the van driver & with priority according to rule 183 of the Highway Code? The cyclist did absolutely nothing wrong, yet you people are desperate to apportion blame to him. Try this mental exercise.. If you are driving in lane 1 of the motorway & are approaching a junction. As you get alongside the junction a van in lane 2 overtakes & pulls across lane 1 & collides with you, who is at fault? Exactly the same scenario. I disagree to an extent. He did nothing legally wrong, but committed a crime against common sense. Van - 3.5 tonnes of metal and plastic. Cyclist - 90 kilos of meat bag. He should have checked thoroughly that the van wasn't going to veer across him at a junction and should have slowed so that his position on the road was suitable for the situation, or potential situation. Every competent cyclist should know that a road vehicle will do the wrong thing every time, and be prepared for it." Exactly how can you check when the van driver didn't indicate until he had actually started the manoeuvre? | |||
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"Both are to blame. As a cyclist if you place yourself in that position (if the car / van is indicating or not) then you’re asking for trouble. The van should have checked his mirrors before turning in. That’s just basic. The position of being in a marked lane,ahead of the van driver & with priority according to rule 183 of the Highway Code? The cyclist did absolutely nothing wrong, yet you people are desperate to apportion blame to him. Try this mental exercise.. If you are driving in lane 1 of the motorway & are approaching a junction. As you get alongside the junction a van in lane 2 overtakes & pulls across lane 1 & collides with you, who is at fault? Exactly the same scenario. I disagree to an extent. He did nothing legally wrong, but committed a crime against common sense. Van - 3.5 tonnes of metal and plastic. Cyclist - 90 kilos of meat bag. He should have checked thoroughly that the van wasn't going to veer across him at a junction and should have slowed so that his position on the road was suitable for the situation, or potential situation. Every competent cyclist should know that a road vehicle will do the wrong thing every time, and be prepared for it. Exactly how can you check when the van driver didn't indicate until he had actually started the manoeuvre?" He could have looked over his shoulder, saw the van was there and assumed it would turn across him. By slowing down just slightly and putting himself outside the angle of turn he would have massively reduced the chance of being hit. I'm sure the cyclist's injuries hurt a lot less knowing he was in the right. | |||
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" He could have looked over his shoulder, saw the van was there and assumed it would turn across him. By slowing down just slightly and putting himself outside the angle of turn he would have massively reduced the chance of being hit. I'm sure the cyclist's injuries hurt a lot less knowing he was in the right.
Would you be so blasé had the cyclist been seriously or fatally injured?
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Would you be so blasé had the cyclist been seriously or fatally injured?
No, I would have been fakely dismayed and upset. I'd also post insincere sentiments of regret to virtue signal how caring I am about somebody I don't/didn't know in a country I don't live in. "Advantage,....bongo boy | |||
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"Both are to blame. As a cyclist if you place yourself in that position (if the car / van is indicating or not) then you’re asking for trouble. The van should have checked his mirrors before turning in. That’s just basic. The position of being in a marked lane,ahead of the van driver & with priority according to rule 183 of the Highway Code? The cyclist did absolutely nothing wrong, yet you people are desperate to apportion blame to him. Try this mental exercise.. If you are driving in lane 1 of the motorway & are approaching a junction. As you get alongside the junction a van in lane 2 overtakes & pulls across lane 1 & collides with you, who is at fault? Exactly the same scenario." 
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" broad statement "I cant stand road cyclists".
A very broad statement considering how many people that covers and curious to know the rationale behind it. Is it the poster is a mountain biker or just cannot stand road cyclists.a lot of motorists get very tetchy where cyclists are concerned, i think its an impatience thing eg a car in front is driving 1 mile an hour slower than speed limit toot toot so imagine what a cyclist does slowing their progress this "this | |||
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"I ignored everything after Daily Mail...but I love to see a cyclist and/or a Tesco Van stop them from ever publishing such a hate fueled piece of garbage ever again" Hate fuelled garbage ? | |||
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"Can't stand chavs who ride mountain bikes and wear headphones, whilst riding on the road at night, with no lights in dark clothing. Should have ran him over, as the dazzling headlights of the oncoming cars and traffic lights made the twat almost invisible. Beeped my horn (because it is hazardous) for 10 seconds. Totally oblivious. The Darwin Awards are beckoning... "So you advocate killing of seriously maiming the cyclist ? | |||
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"Maybe its the universe getting even for every cyclist whose ridden on the pavement, or straight through a junction on a red light, or narrowly missed people on a pedestrian crossing" Yeah. They kill loads of people every year. Motor vehicle users are however gods gift. Sorry about the sarcasm. But.. Nuance?! | |||
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"Maybe its the universe getting even for every cyclist whose ridden on the pavement, or straight through a junction on a red light, or narrowly missed people on a pedestrian crossing Yeah. They kill loads of people every year. Motor vehicle users are however gods gift. Sorry about the sarcasm. But.. Nuance?! " Eye for an eye then.. Good biblical quote | |||
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"Can't stand chavs who ride mountain bikes and wear headphones, whilst riding on the road at night, with no lights in dark clothing. Should have ran him over, as the dazzling headlights of the oncoming cars and traffic lights made the twat almost invisible. Beeped my horn (because it is hazardous) for 10 seconds. Totally oblivious. The Darwin Awards are beckoning...
So you advocate killing of seriously maiming the cyclist ?"I advocate the use of suitable bike lights and obeying the highway code. The fact that he was riding for scant regard for his own and maybe other peoples' safety speaks volumes. But hey ho some people can't be educated where I live. Spleen vented! How would you describe his actions? Sane, safe, legal or a collision waiting to happen. | |||
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"Can't stand chavs who ride mountain bikes and wear headphones, whilst riding on the road at night, with no lights in dark clothing. Should have ran him over, as the dazzling headlights of the oncoming cars and traffic lights made the twat almost invisible. Beeped my horn (because it is hazardous) for 10 seconds. Totally oblivious. The Darwin Awards are beckoning...
So you advocate killing of seriously maiming the cyclist ?
I advocate the use of suitable bike lights and obeying the highway code.
The fact that he was riding for scant regard for his own and maybe other peoples' safety speaks volumes. But hey ho some people can't be educated where I live.
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"Maybe its the universe getting even for every cyclist whose ridden on the pavement, or straight through a junction on a red light, or narrowly missed people on a pedestrian crossing Yeah. They kill loads of people every year. Motor vehicle users are however gods gift. Sorry about the sarcasm. But.. Nuance?! Wait till one of them breaks your elderly relatives hip because he rode straight into her on a crossing, past a row of stationary traffic ,knocked her to the ground ,swore at her then rode off.. Then try being so fucking smug,arse" Your elderly relative has far more chance if being hit by a car than a cyclist. Even on a crossing. | |||
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"Maybe its the universe getting even for every cyclist whose ridden on the pavement, or straight through a junction on a red light, or narrowly missed people on a pedestrian crossing Yeah. They kill loads of people every year. Motor vehicle users are however gods gift. Sorry about the sarcasm. But.. Nuance?! Wait till one of them breaks your elderly relatives hip because he rode straight into her on a crossing, past a row of stationary traffic ,knocked her to the ground ,swore at her then rode off.. Then try being so fucking smug,arse Your elderly relative has far more chance if being hit by a car than a cyclist. Even on a crossing. " Wrong again monkey,she spent six weeks in hospital and now can't walk unaided | |||
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"Maybe its the universe getting even for every cyclist whose ridden on the pavement, or straight through a junction on a red light, or narrowly missed people on a pedestrian crossing Yeah. They kill loads of people every year. Motor vehicle users are however gods gift. Sorry about the sarcasm. But.. Nuance?! Wait till one of them breaks your elderly relatives hip because he rode straight into her on a crossing, past a row of stationary traffic ,knocked her to the ground ,swore at her then rode off.. Then try being so fucking smug,arse Your elderly relative has far more chance if being hit by a car than a cyclist. Even on a crossing. Wrong again monkey,she spent six weeks in hospital and now can't walk unaided " Surprised you’re not blaming the universe rather than a cyclist, considering what you’ve written above. | |||
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"Maybe its the universe getting even for every cyclist whose ridden on the pavement, or straight through a junction on a red light, or narrowly missed people on a pedestrian crossing Yeah. They kill loads of people every year. Motor vehicle users are however gods gift. Sorry about the sarcasm. But.. Nuance?! Wait till one of them breaks your elderly relatives hip because he rode straight into her on a crossing, past a row of stationary traffic ,knocked her to the ground ,swore at her then rode off.. Then try being so fucking smug,arse Your elderly relative has far more chance if being hit by a car than a cyclist. Even on a crossing. Wrong again monkey,she spent six weeks in hospital and now can't walk unaided " How does that change the odds? | |||
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"Can't stand chavs who ride mountain bikes and wear headphones, whilst riding on the road at night, with no lights in dark clothing. Should have ran him over, as the dazzling headlights of the oncoming cars and traffic lights made the twat almost invisible. Beeped my horn (because it is hazardous) for 10 seconds. Totally oblivious. The Darwin Awards are beckoning...
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I advocate the use of suitable bike lights and obeying the highway code.
The fact that he was riding for scant regard for his own and maybe other peoples' safety speaks volumes. But hey ho some people can't be educated where I live.
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I honestly think he was just riding along minding his own business then taken out by the van turning left"The first half of this reply is about the road cyclist and Tesco van. The second half is about a suicidal lunatic who nearly ended up under my car at night. Just to be clear! | |||
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"Maybe its the universe getting even for every cyclist whose ridden on the pavement, or straight through a junction on a red light, or narrowly missed people on a pedestrian crossing Yeah. They kill loads of people every year. Motor vehicle users are however gods gift. Sorry about the sarcasm. But.. Nuance?! Wait till one of them breaks your elderly relatives hip because he rode straight into her on a crossing, past a row of stationary traffic ,knocked her to the ground ,swore at her then rode off.. Then try being so fucking smug,arse Your elderly relative has far more chance if being hit by a car than a cyclist. Even on a crossing. Wrong again monkey,she spent six weeks in hospital and now can't walk unaided How does that change the odds?" Because she wasn't hit by a motorist, but was hit by a moron on a bike | |||
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"A radical suggestion. Some cyclist are dicks. Dislike them. Most cyclists are lovely people. Like them. Some drivers are dicks. Dislike them. Most drivers are lovely people. Like them. Prejudice is always wrong, every single time (or am I being prejudiced against narrow-minded people?) "But in a collision mostly one is at a disadvantage .. | |||
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"I actually stopped cycling on public roads years ago. It's too dangerous and scarey in my opinion. I stick to cycle paths and off road tracks. There is also too much road rage these days. I was driving in a 40 limit at 30 last week. The lights about 300 metres ahead were green but I never race the lights so continued at 30. I then saw a man behind tailgetting and gesturing me to speed up. He was really angry when the lights went red and I had to stop. He was gesturing and had kids in the car. Poor example to them also. The roads have become a cesspit of rage and I don't always feel safe on them anymore. Quite worrying" Respect dude if you can hold 30mph you are shifting along. I only dream of those speeds. | |||
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"We live in a village that has had the tour de Yorkshire though it the Tour de France very close, the Tour de Yorkshire is through again this year so we are bombarded by idiots who want to test the course. From the small town to the village is a mile and a quarter of steep up hill, narrow and very winding and they will ride two or three abreast. Because where we are we have four cyclist races through the village one that goes in a loop fourteen times, I gladly give cyclists as much space as I can. However, road lice is a term that is banded about a lot in the village. " Road Lice.. never heard that expression before | |||
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"Undertaking is not illegal but clearly unsafe. But before you turn left not checking your mirrors first can see deemed driving without due care and attention If you were on the motorway and someone passed you, got about 2 feet ahead of you and then braked and swerved back into your lane, whilst you continued at a constant speed, you'd be a bit pissed off, I'd say." Happens a lot to me by BMW, Audi, 4x4, Mercedes and van drivers, I expect those car drivers not to understand the road traffic act or the highway code. | |||
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"Undertaking is not illegal but clearly unsafe. But before you turn left not checking your mirrors first can see deemed driving without due care and attention If you were on the motorway and someone passed you, got about 2 feet ahead of you and then braked and swerved back into your lane, whilst you continued at a constant speed, you'd be a bit pissed off, I'd say. Happens a lot to me by BMW, Audi, 4x4, Mercedes and van drivers, I expect those car drivers not to understand the road traffic act or the highway code." I'm a cyclist and a BMW driver and I regard myself as careful, considerate and courteous as both
I've watched the video clip from the traffic lights to the collision. The van driver over took the stream of cyclists so would know they were there. I'm not familiar with blue cycle lanes so I'll need to check the highway code for rights of way when vehicles need to turn left across the cycle lane. That said the van turned very suddenly with no time for the cyclist to avoid the collision. | |||
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"The cyclist was tanking it though " He was, as were the stream of those behind him, as long as he wasn't 'tanking it' above the speed limit then all good and well... | |||
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"Be gutted if my delivery was on that and my avocado supply got smashed or was running late "Your compassion is an example to us all. | |||
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"Be gutted if my delivery was on that and my avocado supply got smashed or was running late
Your compassion is an example to us all. "standard | |||
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"Delivery drivers are not known for their intellect. " Really one I know has several degrees. Do you? | |||
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"The cyclist was tanking it though " Well if he was (he wasn't but for arguments sake lets say you are right) what does that say about the van driver who was of course travelling faster? | |||
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"The trouble with bikes is the long stopping distance. Many just ride too fast and then can't stop in time.. The technology is all about lighter and faster. Not stopping quicker " Take it you don’t ride a bike. New push bikes have disc brakes and can stop quicker than most cars and if your talking about motor bikes my latest one has twin discs on the front one disc on the rear and ABS so I have no idea where you get the idea bikes can’t stop. What they can’t stop is cars purposely driving at us or cutting us up | |||
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"I have ridden pushbikes and motorbikes and cars and lorries. The trouble is that some lycra loonies think they are wearing a suit of armour. Maybe if it were a real suit of armour it would slow them down a bit " Drivers always have full set of armour round them it’s called a car. And of course no drivers ever go too fast just the damn cyclist why not ban them all. There an idea I’ve not heard on here before | |||
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"I have no issue with other roadusers. All welcome. Caravans annoy me more than cyclists" You’ll be pleased to know then we don’t have a caravan lol. | |||
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"There is a video of a Tesco van taking out a cyclist on the Daily Mail on line website. No doubt in my mind the van should not have turned if the cyclist was in his mirrors but was the cyclist undertaking.. " Extract from the highway code: 182 Use your mirrors and give a left-turn signal well before you turn left. Do not overtake just before you turn left and watch out for traffic coming up on your left before you make the turn, especially if driving a large vehicle. Cyclists, motorcyclists and other road users in particular may be hidden from your view. | |||
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"I have no issue with other roadusers. All welcome. Caravans annoy me more than cyclists" Suffering with ‘caravan envy’ are we? Things of beauty. | |||
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"The driver of the Van is at fault. He passed the cyclist buy only just , indicates and makes his manure with very limited space to make his turn at the speed he was going across a marked solid line across a cycle lane, he would have seen the cyclist when he drove past and in his mirror if he had looked. The cyclist is in a marked cycle lane, I don't believe there is anything about undertaking when using a cycle lane. Yes the cyclist should ride defensively, but sometimes things happen too quickly." "Makes his manure with very limited space" | |||
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