FabSwingers.com forum: Is it ever acceptable to be on benifits?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just a general question. There's been some strong views on this before and from the outlook its come across that its not accepted.

Before when i was fortunate to be working i often took a dim view on people who were receiving benefits, and now that i'm in a position where i am receiving help i'm exceptionally grateful. By no means is it an easy option. I do not have a lavish lifestyle, do not smoke, drink or do drugs yet there are still issues with peoples attitudes towards my current situation.

Feel free to enlighten me.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I don't have an issue with people who are on benefits as its there for those who need it. I do however get really angry with the people that just take the PUss and fraud the benefit system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If people are able to work then they should do something even if its only voluntary work or part time if they expect to receive money from the state.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Perfectly acceptable to be on benefits. The people who tend not to think so are those who are fortunate enough to be in secure employment.

Most people understand that not everyone's job is safe - and that jobs are hard to come by.

Most people, including me, make an exception for the underclass who mix their benefits with a bit of crime - and are better off than those of us who work!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In genuine circumstances you are entitled to benefits you paid your stamp etc but most people depend on benefits that rather going out to find a job I am sure you will bounce back into work mate.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

if you have worked, and paid into the system, then i see no reason why someone shouldt draw on that when they hit hard times.

also, if you have a young family, you dont really have much of a choice but to do so.

however, its the career mothers, or lazy feckless people that have no want to work that dont deserve it, imo.

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck."

That's not a bad idea at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you have worked, and paid into the system, then i see no reason why someone shouldt draw on that when they hit hard times.

also, if you have a young family, you dont really have much of a choice but to do so.

however, its the career mothers, or lazy feckless people that have no want to work that dont deserve it, imo.

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck."
well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you have worked, and paid into the system, then i see no reason why someone shouldt draw on that when they hit hard times.

also, if you have a young family, you dont really have much of a choice but to do so.

however, its the career mothers, or lazy feckless people that have no want to work that dont deserve it, imo.

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck. well said

There would have to be exceptions for special needs and disables people to some extent.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its one thing being on benefits as a stop gap which originally they were intended too. Its another to use it as a life style choice popping out babies just to stay on benefits. I know there are lack of jobs etc and recession. To be fair I work but I would say I am no better off working then when I was on income supports just means I am paying my own way rather than a hand out. Although I still do get some housing benefits and tax credits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you have worked, and paid into the system, then i see no reason why someone shouldt draw on that when they hit hard times.

also, if you have a young family, you dont really have much of a choice but to do so.

however, its the career mothers, or lazy feckless people that have no want to work that dont deserve it, imo.

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck."

This already happens but from when youngest is 9 and the age will drop to eventually 5 when youngest starts school removing everyone off income support and putting them on job seekers so people have to actually look for work and be willing to work. Loads of back to work help too. Help wit cv etc and the new scheme of work experience when it gets underway. Plus there will be the new universal benefits so it will all be capped under one benefit.

Job centres are moving out to the communities. In my local childrens centre we have a back to work person come in for drop in service. And while children are in play group mums can refresh their literacy and numeracy skills which I think is a great idea. There is help out there if you know where to look.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

But for the grace of God...

I have no issue with people being on benefits who have worked and contributed then fallen on hard times.

It's the career claimants that annoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it ever acceptable to be on benifits?

Yes, but it is totally unacceptable to be on them and not to spell it correctly !

You should know the forum spell check police will be after you now.

I shall have a false passport made up for you.

In the mean time, wear a comedy glasses, nose and moustache combo and lay low.

We won't tell them where you are !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Well there are plenty of parents out there working and paying their way so what's wrong with limiting a free ride to 5 years? Or should those of us working pay for a life time on benefits? Face it things have to have some limit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nothing wrong with it my mum was on them all my childhood. However I do object to people being on them when they are recieving them under false claims. Also not too keen on people who then go out and have more kids to get more benefits and not go and get a job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was made redundant a month ago and did not want to sign on.

All my friends and family said I was stupid but I haven't signed on for 25 years.

After a month of looking for jobs joining job agencies on the web sending countless CVs out I finally made a claim on Friday !!!!

I suppose as I have paid in I am entitled but not happy with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The system is there to be used, it will keep you alive and that's about it... Yes I know there are all sorts of stories of scroungers making good money out of the welfare system, but thats people who have nothing to lose any more.

Good luck getting life back on track, the benefit system will keep you going for a while whilst you look for more rewarding ways to earn a living.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are looking for work or have a genuine barrier which prevents you from working.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was made redundant a month ago and did not want to sign on.

All my friends and family said I was stupid but I haven't signed on for 25 years.

After a month of looking for jobs joining job agencies on the web sending countless CVs out I finally made a claim on Friday !!!!

I suppose as I have paid in I am entitled but not happy with it.

It's not a good feeling nor a pleasant experience. Hope you get sorted soon xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is it ever acceptable to be on benifits?

Yes, but it is totally unacceptable to be on them and not to spell it correctly !

You should know the forum spell check police will be after you now.

I shall have a false passport made up for you.

In the mean time, wear a comedy glasses, nose and moustache combo and lay low.

We won't tell them where you are !"

lol sorry bussy x

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I was made redundant a month ago and did not want to sign on.

All my friends and family said I was stupid but I haven't signed on for 25 years.

After a month of looking for jobs joining job agencies on the web sending countless CVs out I finally made a claim on Friday !!!!

I suppose as I have paid in I am entitled but not happy with it.

You're who the system was designed for.

I can't imagine how you feel claiming, so I'll wish you good luck in finding a job soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was made redundant a month ago and did not want to sign on.

All my friends and family said I was stupid but I haven't signed on for 25 years.

After a month of looking for jobs joining job agencies on the web sending countless CVs out I finally made a claim on Friday !!!!

I suppose as I have paid in I am entitled but not happy with it.

It's not a good feeling nor a pleasant experience. Hope you get sorted soon xx"

Thanks for that it's really appreciated and I am very optomistic about finding work.

Going to do some courses which are going to be expensive but with the additional certificates it should vastly improve my chances of getting a job

fingers crossed

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's of course acceptable for their to be both a benefits system, as well as for eligible people to receive them.

There have been £millions in unclaimed benefits each year for a very long time, and so people should claim, if they wish and need to.

This government has demonised benefit recipients, and some mugs have fallen for it - but then, even Hitler's propaganda worked, it's so easy to manipulate the sheep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worked most ov my life till few yr ago n stoped working 2 care 4 my dad.now ive started looking 4 work again im lucky 2 get a interview never mind a job.i look 4 work everyday i cant find owt.i hate been on the dole n it certainly aint a lifestyle choice.n hate the way ppl look down on me when i tell them im on benefits.like i said worked most my life n payed plenty ov taxes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But for the grace of God...

I have no issue with people being on benefits who have worked and contributed then fallen on hard times.

It's the career claimants that annoy."

what do you mean by career claimants?

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"Just a general question. There's been some strong views on this before and from the outlook its come across that its not accepted.

Feel free to enlighten me. "

Because some people have limited imagination and zero empathy. Dont let it worry you.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Worked most ov my life till few yr ago n stoped working 2 care 4 my dad.now ive started looking 4 work again im lucky 2 get a interview never mind a job.i look 4 work everyday i cant find owt.i hate been on the dole n it certainly aint a lifestyle choice.n hate the way ppl look down on me when i tell them im on benefits.like i said worked most my life n payed plenty ov taxes."

Although i have masses to be grateful for i still feel that my own self worth is down because i'm not working. So can relate on that issue. Good Luck.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

When a child is 5 they would be in full time education, so only reason i can see for a parent not working is lack of jobs or no motivation to create working opportunities for themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

Hard luck? Starved and homeless? Don't talk rubbish it's great Britain not Iran. Everyone entitled to it of they need it & jail terms for them who abuse including all expenses scandal mp's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"But for the grace of God...

I have no issue with people being on benefits who have worked and contributed then fallen on hard times.

It's the career claimants that annoy.

what do you mean by career claimants?"

Those that have been on benefits from day one and have no intention of working. They'll find every excuse not to work and if a woman, will state she can't leave her kids and go to work as she's a good mum, implying those of us that are working mums are not good mothers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But for the grace of God...

I have no issue with people being on benefits who have worked and contributed then fallen on hard times.

It's the career claimants that annoy.

what do you mean by career claimants?

ah cool beans.. thanks

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already. "

Sorry lost me there - we are talking about stopping benefits for all after say 5 years which would mean children possible living on the streets and begging along side their parents - is that so difficult to understand - this is how people live in the 3rd world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surprised some up there haven't wanted them to be put to sleep, probably not humanely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I worked all my adult life until a few years ago through helf I had to stop and now I'm on benefits I hate it but need it and it does help I have no problem with people on benefits apart from junkies n alckies and immigrants thy seem to get everything going n the hard working man/woman have to struggle by to live life the best they can

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

You are easily lost by the looks of it! 5 years is long enough for anyone who is fit and able to find some sort of employment even if it is voluntary work (Which benefits could still be given). Nobody ever said anything about being out on the streets apart from you. But you were asking what world happen with the children! What do you think happens to the hundreds of thousands of parents that currently work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being at home and being a mum I do think some loose their self confiendence and life skills though and don't feel comfortable going back out to work espescially if its been a few years. I know its not for everybody but when my girls were younger would always help out at playgroup then at school from reading buddies, pta, volunteer in playgroup. It got me out and it got me involved with the community and my mum skills to good use. And while on benefits retrained.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you have worked, and paid into the system, then i see no reason why someone shouldt draw on that when they hit hard times.

also, if you have a young family, you dont really have much of a choice but to do so.

however, its the career mothers, or lazy feckless people that have no want to work that dont deserve it, imo.

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck. well said

There would have to be exceptions for special needs and disables people to some extent. "

agrea with this but not the last bit as most people with genuin disabilitys and learning dificultys do work wether it be paid or volantry work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think benefit claimants should be made to do voluntary work at all. The problem isn't with benefits it's with the amount that gets paid, my brother inlaw took home more pay before several years ago than I did salary. He did have a genuine reason for claiming however wasn't given a real incentive to come off the benefits when he could. As for everyone else if you need it claim it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you have worked, and paid into the system, then i see no reason why someone shouldt draw on that when they hit hard times.

also, if you have a young family, you dont really have much of a choice but to do so.

however, its the career mothers, or lazy feckless people that have no want to work that dont deserve it, imo.

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck. well said

There would have to be exceptions for special needs and disables people to some extent.

agrea with this but not the last bit as most people with genuin disabilitys and learning dificultys do work wether it be paid or volantry work "

Granted a lot do and the govt has made it easier for them to compete for jobs I know many who hold down good jobs and are more astute than many able bodied people.

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Hold on! Let's get this straight!

The government is actually giving out free money? Where???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hold on! Let's get this straight!

The government is actually giving out free money? Where???

----- over there

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

What are you on about - the discussion is about people on benefits not those in work and incidently many people who work are on benefits would you stop those to and you still havent answered the question what happens to the children when their parents benefits stop, its not their fault they have parents who won't work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) "

Think people have missed the part that it's 5 years starting point with extensions base on work / contributions. For the child benefits that gives two parents who could be working even if they are not together the contributions could still count.

Much to easy to say "but what about the children" and do nothing, this proposal has some merit, there are other things to look at too, e.g. job creation schemes in areas of high unemployment, re-training schemes... all of which could get you extra credits on to the 5 years giving ample oppertunity for the system to work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's got less chance working than the long term unemployed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What are you on about - the discussion is about people on benefits not those in work and incidently many people who work are on benefits would you stop those to and you still havent answered the question what happens to the children when their parents benefits stop, its not their fault they have parents who won't work"

If both parents are not in work for no other reason than being lazy, then that is child abuse.

So take them into foster care put them with a family that has one full time working partner and one who works as a foster parent.

Single parents happen is many ways, either one parent is no longer around the child, (so can work) or perhaps a partner dies, in which case you could add the 5 years + they were entitled to to the family account... gives 10 years + to sort the children and get into a job that will qualify for tax and a stamp therefore extending the entitlement to benefits...

Damn we should be politicians instead of swingers

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know)

But the same people that say cut benefits also say you can't create jobs or it's not the governments job to create jobs so where does that leave us - There are not enough jobs for those actively looking let alone those who arn't actively looking and are on benefits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If both parents are not in work for no other reason than being lazy, then that is child abuse.

So take them into foster care put them with a family that has one full time working partner and one who works as a foster parent.

Damn we should be politicians instead of swingers

Seriously are you in medication put kids in foster care as their parents are unemployed. Think the politicians we have are bad enough without making them worse. They do need to be out of parliament but only to be replaced with better. Not loonies

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

If both parents are not in work for no other reason than being lazy, then that is child abuse.

So take them into foster care put them with a family that has one full time working partner and one who works as a foster parent.

Damn we should be politicians instead of swingers

How can that be classed as child abuse and it would cost far more to put the children with foster parents than leave them with their natural parents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok I'm out. Some people here have seriously lost the plot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think benefits work and I'm sorry that people abuse the system to just limp through life but after the expenses scandal, I realised that people at all levels fiddle the system.

I know many single parents and unemployed friends who want to better themselves and I know many who don't. I also know a few people who dodge tax in some very clever ways, even though they can afford it.

For me, it's all about the individual. Though I will always sympathise with those closer to poverty as the rich are rich for a reason!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

The children would remain with their parents I wouldn't give people the chance NOT to work after 5 years it wouldn't be an option. If they refused though point blankly to contribute to society and insisted on sponging out rather than contributing they would be deemed unfit to keep the children. Child care would be available to all going back to work. It sounds like you do not like the idea of people pulling their weight!

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By *icboyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I am in favour of our benefit system...the better off should always help out others...lees well off...It is the best way of wealth distribution that this country has...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

As a matter of fact i do not work at the moment, my choice though as I'm financially very stable and don't need to. I don't begrudge anyone in benefits money to survive. Oh ... I'm also financially stable through being in work for many years not through born with a silver spoon. I'm sure some here are prob paid up members of BNP too

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over a year ago

You can always create jobs if you are the government! BT was one of the best job creation schemes in the country before they decided to make it profitable and attractive to shareholders!

One current / future problem that could create millions of jobs if they wanted to is a national water grid... imagine the benefits of moving water from areas that are at flood risk to other areas of the country that have hosepipe bans!!

Would probably never make a profit but a great use of government money that would otherwise go in benefits.

A National Company big enough to achive this could employ millions in all sorts of different roles, and if the predictions are correct on global warming effects then it would actually make sense in 30 - 50 years time.

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over a year ago

If both parents are not in work for no other reason than being lazy, then that is child abuse.

So take them into foster care put them with a family that has one full time working partner and one who works as a foster parent.

Damn we should be politicians instead of swingers

I was going to keep out of this but I couldn't. 2 parents on the dole is child abuse?? Clearly you never suffered child abuse!! Take them away from loving parents because they haven't got a job wtf, no, I mean, WTF!!!!!! There's too many children hoping for foster care as it is, that have been took away from parents for ACTUAL child abuse!!

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over a year ago

If both parents are not in work for no other reason than being lazy, then that is child abuse.

So take them into foster care put them with a family that has one full time working partner and one who works as a foster parent.

Damn we should be politicians instead of swingers

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over a year ago

totaly agree there

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over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

Well, that sounds like time to go to the shelter. Bombs about to go in the air!

Anyone care to join me? I got Chocolate Digestives!

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over a year ago

"How can that be classed as child abuse and it would cost far more to put the children with foster parents than leave them with their natural parents"

In refusing to teach the children a work ethic, which would lead to a better life for them in the future, thats child abuse. and we are not talking of short term here we are talking of 5 years minimum before it happens... as for costing more, that is not actually the issue, and would it really cost more than having generations of non working people as thats all they have known?

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

When did I ever say that people shouldn't pull their weight - The point I'm making is that if there was an easy cost effective way of doing what you suggest then sucessive governments would have done it already - but to think someone can wave a magic wand and cure societies ill is just so naive

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over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

Well, that sounds like time to go to the shelter. Bombs about to go in the air!

Anyone care to join me? I got Chocolate Digestives!

Only of they are bought from benefits. Taste much nicer

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"How can that be classed as child abuse and it would cost far more to put the children with foster parents than leave them with their natural parents

No there are better ways of breaking generations of unemployement - give kids something to aspire to - role models - mentors - rather than them relying on instant fame or winning the lottery

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over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

Yes you are naieve, if governments were to go down this route you would ave all the lazy and fekless voting them out rather than stopping in bed on voting day. It has nothing to do with magic wands it is what they can do while maintaining popularity.

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over a year ago

I've been unemployed 3 times in my life. The first time was my own choice after I relocated to London from the Midlands and I chose not to claim anything (though I could have) as it felt wrong as I was unemployed through choice.

The other 2 times I did, once for a few weeks which wasnt that bad, the other for almost 4 months. I was single at the time and have no family so no one to help me out. People who think it is easy living on benefits haven't got a clue. I had just over a grand left of my last pay cheque, got my rent and council tax paid and then had less than £70 a week to live on. Even with having a grand to dip in to it was almost impossible to live. I ate the cheapest food I could (usually whatever was reduced and vaguely healthy), I possibly managed a night out a fortnight (usually a gig because that meant spending zero money beyond the admission fee), would take a bus to an interview even though it might take 3 or 4 times the time to get there because it was marginally cheaper than the tube. More often than not with my walking shoes in a bag to walk back home if I had no other interviews just to save another £1.20 bus fare. I was at one point a matter of hours from being homeless - a combination of an unsympathetic landlord and a lost claim for housing benefit and to this day am not sure how I dug myself out of that one. I would spend on average 4 or 5 hours a day job hunting online, luckily it was summer so I could go for a ride on my bike or for a walk in the park to occupy time because I had quite literally nothing else to do to kill time and I was going stir crazy.

It was a hellish time but something I am glad I did. i never complain about getting a job now and mt heart goes out to those that are long term recipients. Anyone that thinks it is an easy life is an idiot that should look behind the sensationalist crap that the media publishes - for most people it simply isn;t like that.

As for benefits cheats, easy to stigmatize and arguably unjustified behaviour but I suspect more often motivated by desperation rather than greed. Unlike MP's and their expenses or the super rich avoiding their tax liabilities.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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"Sorry lost me there - we are talking about stopping benefits for all after say 5 years which would mean children possible living on the streets and begging along side their parents - is that so difficult to understand - this is how people live in the 3rd world"

Completely agree.

There are companies and individuals in this country who avoid tax paying to the sum of £billions, and there would be no issue paying out the benefits that we currently have, to those entitled to them. Governments have allowed too many loopholes, but when you realise that there are so many millionaires in the government cabinet, some of whom do not pay tax as residents, you realise that they're not of the same mindset as those who have struggled financially.

The government has demonised benefit recipients, almost like trolls setting off arguments, and we're falling for their spin/trolling by going against each other. The greedy and thieving £multi-million cheats are the ones to despise.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

I really do dispair with the attitude of some people no wonder this country is going down hill rapidly as a caring tolerant society - I have no more to add - closes door behind me

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over a year ago

"I was going to keep out of this but I couldn't. 2 parents on the dole is child abuse?? Clearly you never suffered child abuse!! Take them away from loving parents because they haven't got a job wtf, no, I mean, WTF!!!!!! There's too many children hoping for foster care as it is, that have been took away from parents for ACTUAL child abuse!!

totaly agree there

Sorry no, it is abuse. I have friends in the benefit trap. raised their kids with never a holiday, or a day out, kids were bullied in school for having hand me down clothing and it's all to easy for the kids to not know there is a better life out there.

The media have painted a picture of benefits being great for those who know the system showing them on great lifestyle etc. BUT the majority survive on minimums, actually working bloody hard to avoid starvation and god forbid that things start to go bad for them as there is no cash surplus to sort anything out ever!

So they are destined to stay in the trap... that is long term abuse!

5 years to get another job, nobody mentioned no benefit system 5 years PLUS for every year either parent works that gets extended... add to that diability / accident / job creation contingencies, then all parents have the chance to raise there kids well.

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over a year ago

totaly agree there

So they are destined to stay in the trap... that is long term abuse!

I am sorry but I genuinely dont know whether to laugh or cry at this post...

So the only way a child can be loved is via material wealth and possessions and with out that you are abusing them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If both parents are not in work for no other reason than being lazy, then that is child abuse.

So take them into foster care put them with a family that has one full time working partner and one who works as a foster parent.

Thats not child abuse, not a good role model perhaps, but not abuse.

Where do you suggest we find foster carers when there is already a shortage of these fanatastic people to care for the children that are really being abused. The money to pay for foster carers would far outstrip the benefits being paid to the unemployed...and the price these children would pay emotionally would be huge. Now thats emotional abuse in its purest form....remove them from often very capable parents!! Then we pay for their counselling, drug addictions and offending behaviour in the future. Yeah great idea!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If both parents are not in work for no other reason than being lazy, then that is child abuse."

And that applies to lottery winners who gave up work because they couldn't be arsed to go in anymore?

What a stupid thing to say.

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over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

I really do dispair with the attitude of some people no wonder this country is going down hill rapidly as a caring tolerant society - I have no more to add - closes door behind me

Wait hold it! I'm right behind you

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

of course its not ill thought out.

how absurd.

ahy should someone that has no children pay to ring up your children?

you cant afford them, dont have them.

thatsr the way the world SHOULD work, and how we kep the population down.

its very easy to squeeze out loads of kids you have no intention of paying for thier upkeep, and live off the proceeds.

its quite another thing to actually plan things and ensure you have the finances to cope with missing the first 5 years of your childs life from work, then going back when he starts at school.

thats what im talking about. why do families need to be so big in a western society where mortality rates are very low?

hell, they shouldnt be sizable in a society where mortality is high simply because less mouths to feed = more food for those that survive.

have we forgotten that positive evolution is survival of the fittest?

when we allow the lowest of the low to survive then we infect the genepool, and its a slippery slope my friends.

(actually the last bit is just an inane rant, the main point is in the first section of my post)

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

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I there any free money or not?

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over a year ago

when we allow the lowest of the low to survive then we infect the genepool, and its a slippery slope my friends.

Is that really how you think? I'm appalled at a response like that.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the only way a child can be loved is via material wealth and possessions and with out that you are abusing them?

A friend I know well had two kids, neither parent worked, they lived in a damp riden house in the benefit trap, kids were often hungry when they went to bed, and what they did eat was pretty poor quality, badly fitting shoes, shaby clothes may not seem important but school kids are vary cruel and pick up on these things as cause for bullying.

So my view is biased, yes I feel those kids missed out on a happy childhood. Only when the kids got older and benefits were removed did the parents start work, started out below benefit levels but working tax credit helped get going, now they have a decent life style that the kids should have benefited from, but too late!

Material wealth and possesions are far beyond what long term benefits give you.

As I have said there are exceptions where there are no options... but to live life with no options is the same as living without hope! terrible thing to do to anyone of any age.

I am very happy we live in a country with a welfare system which is not too bad, but I would rather pay more tax to a system that gives hope and prospects by working tax credit and job training / creation than a system designed to stop people starving and forget them.

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By *ustamysteryWoman
over a year ago

south cumbria

some benifits are taxable as a widow single mum i get benifits but pay tax and my council tax. I had to give up work to be a full time carer.

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over a year ago

"I there any free money or not?

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Nope sorry there is a 1 in 13,983,816 chance you may win the lottery though

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over a year ago

"I've been unemployed 3 times in my life. The first time was my own choice after I relocated to London from the Midlands and I chose not to claim anything (though I could have) as it felt wrong as I was unemployed through choice.

Totally agree, i've had to claim twice in my life, once because we returned from living abroad and had no other choice, luckily for only a couple of months.....and once about 3 years ago, when i got so sick of working for greedy self righteous, nob heads, again only for a couple of months while i set up my own business.....without doubt 2 of the hardest, most depressing and soul crushing periods of my life.....Living on benefits for me was near on impossible, i think if had to stay on benefits for any length of time i would have gone stir crazy......in my opinion the majority of people on benefits are not claiming through choice but necessity, but i can see how easy it is for people to find their way onto benefits and truly struggle to get off....its soul crushing and confidence sapping and i think after a year or 2 on benefits i would have found it so difficult to find the self belief to actually get a job.

Actually its the type of attitudes that we are seeing from certain forum posters (you know who) that confound the problem and make people ashamed and embarrassed and struggle to find work....These people in my opinion are a bigger problem than the actual so called benefit frauds, they think they can do a better job of running the country by taking millions of kids out of loving homes and putting them into foster care (which by the way costs around £26,000 per year, per child to the government), what an absolute joke, its people and attitudes like this that have put this country in the shit in the first place, only one word comes to mind...... douche!!! no doubt they work in banking and read the daily mail.

Whatever system you have (in anything) there are going to be people who abuse it, thats just life.....but to condemn a whole section of people and their children because they have fallen on hard times is ludicrous, selfish, self righteous and plain idiotic. Since when does the amount of money you have or employment status have anything to do with your commitment and quality as a parent? in fact the opposite is probably true, at the very least the kids have 2 parents that are always around for them, how can that be considered a bad thing for children?.....thats why we see closer family units and a higher community spirit in some of the most underprivileged and deprived areas of Britain.

Charlie

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

the fact of the matter is this: the benefit system in this country is out of control.

at this moment in time there is mass unemployment, and yes, there are people having a hard time of it, that would otherwise be in work.

the 5 year idea is a base and needs a lot of work to make it usable, i dont deny it, but it IS feasable.

the kids? no, i agree it isnt thier fault thier parents cba to work, so what do you suggest?

instead of coming up with problems, come up with solutions.

thats what this country has turned into, not a nation of doers, but a nation of 'yes, but....' its balls!!!

the current system is NOT working because the money that is needed goes to those that know the system and abuse it, rather than those that really really do need it.

im not heartless

i have been on benefits myself and hated every second of it.

what did i do to get off them?

i bettered myself.

i sold everything i bought when times were good and retrained.

without that sacrifice i would probably STILL be out of work now.

there IS work out there for people, they jsut need to regain that pride in themselves.

i hate this culture of 'im not working for x amount because i get more on benefits'. it makes me cringe.

how can you guage your self worth by what you get for doing nothing rather than earning whatever is in your pocket?

my brother is the same. he refuses to get a better job for himself because he would lose x amount of benefits. makes me sick, and i have nothing to d with him because of it.

i saw my dad on unemplyment in the 80's for 18 months, and i have never seen a once proud man spiral to such a low and will never want to see it again.

benefits are great, short term, to pay your way in life.

hell, i wouldnt even limit it to £70 a week, or whatever it is now. i would ensure people bills WITHIN REASON are covered (phone/rent/electric/gas/fuel) and then give expenses for job searching. £70 to do all that and find a job is laughable.

as long as you work, your wages are made up to a living wage, imo, thats what MY benefit system would be made up of. you fall out of work, find another, whether it is beneath you or not.

you too good to sweep a floor or mow a lawn for a living? then you are really to good to be sitting on your ring and collecting money for nothing arent you??

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

and as for the post that said children need role models and mentors, who to mentor and role model for choldren but those they are supposed to look up to?

their parents??

my dad was always my hero when i was a kid, and i got my work ethic from him.

my mum did 2 jobs as we were growing up, 8 hours a day in a factory, then 5 hours in an evening in a pub.

this is where my work ethic came from.

if they had been sat at home all day, every day, smoking, drinking and squirting out more kids, i would more likely be doing the same now!

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over a year ago

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Haven't read the whole thread so apologies if I am repeating things.

There of course is no shame in being on benefits whilst you work to finding a job or have a genuine reason why you can't work.

What I believe is totally out of order is when people think it is their right not to work and let other people provide for them! What if we all suddenly thought that and no one worked? There would be no money for anyone!

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"I there any free money or not?

Nope sorry there is a 1 in 13,983,816 chance you may win the lottery though

Ha I could win the lottery any time I liked!

Step 1: get bank loan for £13,983,816

Step 2: buy 13,983,816 lottery tickets

Step 3: win lottery

Step 4: repeat steps 1 and 2.

Step 5: INFINITE MONEYYYYYY!!!

SEE U ALL LATERZ LOTTO FAGS!

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"and as for the post that said children need role models and mentors, who to mentor and role model for choldren but those they are supposed to look up to?

their parents??

my dad was always my hero when i was a kid, and i got my work ethic from him.

my mum did 2 jobs as we were growing up, 8 hours a day in a factory, then 5 hours in an evening in a pub.

this is where my work ethic came from.

if they had been sat at home all day, every day, smoking, drinking and squirting out more kids, i would more likely be doing the same now!"

Think you need to reread the post - it's in the absence of good parents they need support not farmed off to fostor parents at greater cost

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i was a single parent when i was 18 and was on benefit for a about a year and hated it and was made to feel ashamed by certain members of my own family, couldnt believe it when i heard other single parents like myself saying they intended on having another kid even though they where on benefit and one girl i knew who seemed quite well off as well moaning because she thought they werent giving her enough money. Lots of people who moan about people on benefits who are in full time well paid work should really think themselves lucky though as there is never going to be enough jobs for everyone because this country is so overpopulated.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"and as for the post that said children need role models and mentors, who to mentor and role model for choldren but those they are supposed to look up to?

their parents??

my dad was always my hero when i was a kid, and i got my work ethic from him.

my mum did 2 jobs as we were growing up, 8 hours a day in a factory, then 5 hours in an evening in a pub.

this is where my work ethic came from.

if they had been sat at home all day, every day, smoking, drinking and squirting out more kids, i would more likely be doing the same now!

Think you need to reread the post - it's in the absence of good parents they need support not farmed off to fostor parents at greater cost"

i absolutely agree with you.

but do you not see parents that have no interest in earning a way in life, and showing their kids a work ethic, and that they can have a positive influence in society as poor parents?

you would agree that a parent not putting a plate of food on the table would be poor, yes? so surely, in the same context, a parent not giving his/her child the means to allow him to put his own plate on his own table when older is also a poor parent, no?

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over a year ago

Bring back manufactoring most towns have lost the heart of the cities as most manufactoring plants have closed big businesses have gone out of business. We need to bring back jobs and communities self worth and purposes they say our fathers and their fathers had jobs that was because they had jobs to go to. Its sorry to see all the factories closed down or turned into bars or housing but where are the jobs.

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over a year ago

"when we allow the lowest of the low to survive then we infect the genepool, and its a slippery slope my friends.

Is that really how you think? I'm appalled at a response like that.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself. "

With benefits,IVF and other medical advances, this is the first period of human history that the weak and ill are being positively encouraged to procreate en-masse. This is a good thing, for now. However, I believe that humanity will have some very severe problems in a few generation's time, unless medical science keeps up with demand, and it's already falling behind.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"and as for the post that said children need role models and mentors, who to mentor and role model for choldren but those they are supposed to look up to?

their parents??

my dad was always my hero when i was a kid, and i got my work ethic from him.

my mum did 2 jobs as we were growing up, 8 hours a day in a factory, then 5 hours in an evening in a pub.

this is where my work ethic came from.

if they had been sat at home all day, every day, smoking, drinking and squirting out more kids, i would more likely be doing the same now!

Think you need to reread the post - it's in the absence of good parents they need support not farmed off to fostor parents at greater cost

i absolutely agree with you.

but do you not see parents that have no interest in earning a way in life, and showing their kids a work ethic, and that they can have a positive influence in society as poor parents?

Yes I recognise that it is a chain and they are poor parents but children can't choose their parents and yet 99.9% of children will love their parents no matter what and will see them as role models - so if they are poor it's important to redress the balence and provide positive roll models in some way

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"when we allow the lowest of the low to survive then we infect the genepool, and its a slippery slope my friends.

Is that really how you think? I'm appalled at a response like that.

I think you should be ashamed of yourself.

many already know my opinion on medical advances.

we are far too clever fro our own goods.

we enable the weak to flourish meanning the lessons of history are no longer valid, hence humanity will, soon enough, be a weaker species than it maybe would have been.

before anyone gets on a high horse about me being barbaric and whatever, let me say this!!!

if i get into an fatal accident/have a heart attack, or contract a life threatening disease, my family have already been instructed that i DO NOT want life saving treatment.

i really do believe when its my time, i should go, and no amount of medical intervention should allow me to waver from this belief.

i have been in 3 car accidents that would have killed many, and yet i walked away with nothing more than a bump to the head (explains a lot to some people i hear you mutter) so i know it wasnt my time at each of those points, but when it is, it is and i will die with dignity, on my terms, and without being a burden on friends, family, loved ones, or the state.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

so, what exactly are we disagreeing about?

we agree that children need positive role models.

we agree that some parents are not this

are you REALLY advocating a life on the dole is a positive message to give a child?

do you honestly tell me that someone that sits at home all day THROUGH CHOICE is a better parent than the tens of thousands that go out to work and show their children the same amount of love?

under the system i mentioned, you could leave school, work for 5 years, have a child, and stay at home for the first 10 years of the childs life, so how is that throwing a child into poverty/on the street? is 10 years really to short a time to find a job? i really dont think so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a general question. There's been some strong views on this before and from the outlook its come across that its not accepted.

so before when you was working your views on people claiming benefits was that they were scroungers defrauding the system and now you find yourself amongst them now there not?

As a result of the current economic climate and people being made redundant left right and centre and more of the same for the forseeable future with us entering into another recession the people claiming benifits is going to continue to increase ...they say get on your bike to go find work ..truth is there are not that many jobs to apply for as a result of employers tightening there belts.

Thanks to the government the view originally shared by yourself and many others that people claimining benefits are lazy work shy scroungers is diminishing as those very same people find themselves unemployed.

The government loves people who think people on benefits are responsible for the countries huge debts as it takes the real blame of there own economic mis management of the country away from themselves.

By the way just like to point out i work for a living and dont think theres anything wrong in people claiming benefits.

Feel free to enlighten me. "

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

so, what exactly are we disagreeing about?

we agree that children need positive role models.

we agree that some parents are not this

are you REALLY advocating a life on the dole is a positive message to give a child?

do you honestly tell me that someone that sits at home all day THROUGH CHOICE is a better parent than the tens of thousands that go out to work and show their children the same amount of love?

were we disagreeing - my main point is that in an ideal world people will get jobs if they want them - but some people will leave school and never get work for many reason and maybe they shouldnt have children if they can't support them but they will - so you can't have a blanket policy that will then penalise those children - as a society maybe it's better for us in the long run to try and get them into a productive lifestyle

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

so, what exactly are we disagreeing about?

we agree that children need positive role models.

we agree that some parents are not this

are you REALLY advocating a life on the dole is a positive message to give a child?

do you honestly tell me that someone that sits at home all day THROUGH CHOICE is a better parent than the tens of thousands that go out to work and show their children the same amount of love?

but its not society that is penalising those children, its their own parents surely?

how would your opinion hold up without a benefits system at all?

if it collapses, and it could do, then thats the state we would be in, whether we deserve to ahve them, or not

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

so, what exactly are we disagreeing about?

we agree that children need positive role models.

we agree that some parents are not this

are you REALLY advocating a life on the dole is a positive message to give a child?

do you honestly tell me that someone that sits at home all day THROUGH CHOICE is a better parent than the tens of thousands that go out to work and show their children the same amount of love?

but its not society that is penalising those children, its their own parents surely?

how would your opinion hold up without a benefits system at all?

if it collapses, and it could do, then thats the state we would be in, whether we deserve to ahve them, or not"

No the parents are poor for any number of reasons but it doesn't mean that as a society we should be saying to kids tough titties you have bad parents live with it - that's one way of guarenteeing they grow up in the same vein. And as I said earlier there is no simplistice answer and if the welfare state collapsed that would be a different scenario but we are not thete yet

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

like i said, 5 years of benefits is ample time, end of...

with children, a low wage is brough up to standard with additional benefits paid whilst working (and seeing as you are working and getting benefits then maybe every year worked earns 6 months full benefits when out of work)

that way there is NO reason for anyone to be poor, so your argument is moot, imo.

as long as you do SOME work you will continue to get money, and your children will have decent role models to lead them on to a decent life and be a benefit to a further society

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"like i said, 5 years of benefits is ample time, end of...

that way there is NO reason for anyone to be poor, so your argument is moot, imo.

as long as you do SOME work you will continue to get money, and your children will have decent role models to lead them on to a decent life and be a benefit to a further society"

i agree but with one diffrence school age of leaving should be 18years of age then when you leave you get 6 months benefit set at minimum wage then if you havnt got a job it stops period if you are working and you lose your job then benifit should start at the same rate of pay you were on decrecing to minimum wage after the first year if you have a morgage then it should be frozen and a system put into place were you rent you property of your morgege company

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so, what exactly are we disagreeing about?

we agree that children need positive role models.

we agree that some parents are not this

are you REALLY advocating a life on the dole is a positive message to give a child?

do you honestly tell me that someone that sits at home all day THROUGH CHOICE is a better parent than the tens of thousands that go out to work and show their children the same amount of love?

but its not society that is penalising those children, its their own parents surely?

how would your opinion hold up without a benefits system at all?

if it collapses, and it could do, then thats the state we would be in, whether we deserve to ahve them, or not"

the parents who choose to live a life on benefits and not bother to look for work are a small minority maybe i read this wrong but a lot of parents are made redundant throught no fault of there own and due to the economic climate cant get back into employment no matter how hard they try simply because there are not many jobs to apply for out there. it always seems to be the way for some people to lay the countries ills and huge economic debt on people on benefits, single mums or illegal immigrants, i guess some enjoy kicking people when there down rather than blame the real culprits its a bit like blaming smokers for the nhs ills and huge debts rather than the actual mismanagement of it ...if it wasnt for smokers who pay into the nhs twice unlike non smokers via tax on the cigs they buy as well as through there national insurance who knows the nhs cud well have sank without trace years ago. Ime sure this site is mostly populated by civil servants then again due to labours drive to make everyone a civil servant to maintain power then i this countrys probably is full to the brim with em.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Trouble is.. As long as we accept people are going to live on benefits for as long as possible and let them get away with it, the worse it is going to get! I know what I would do..

Kids into school and into a breakfast club. Meal 1! Lunch times, free school meals. Meal 2! After school clubs and a feed. Meal 3!

That would do a couple of things. It would make sure that kids would be less likely to truant and it would make sure they had three meals a day! The parents would have to fend for themselves. Housing and heating/lighting costs paid, but they get nothing else! See the clamour for jobs then...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the firm i work for pays well above minimum wage trains staff to the highest standereds in home care and we are having to take on migrant workers because brits dont want to work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

That's not a bad idea at all.

As many benefits are geared around looking after and bringing up children is it also hard luck on them to when threir parents benefits run out - seems rather ill thought out as a suggestion to me

Still doesnt answer what happens to the children

The same that happens to single parents who work already of which there are hundreds of thousands already.

so what your saying is parents are unfit to keep there children if they are unemployed for 5 years ...what next round up all the people on benefits and put em in concentration camps and force em to slave away for a bowel of rice a day. if you really are a dentist i take it your ovbiously a private one and have a sign on your door.. no benefit scum.

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"We should take all of their kids off them and melt down all the little orphans and make glue out of them!"

That is fucking sick, seriously close this thread down at once. PLEASE!

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"We should take all of their kids off them and melt down all the little orphans and make glue out of them!

That is fucking sick, seriously close this thread down at once. PLEASE!"

i have no idea who said that, but thats a little wrong.

and no one suggested slavery, for christs sake, but really, why do so many people seemingly have a problem with people oging out to earn thier way in life?

THAT is what is wrong with society today, not the people who see benefit careers as wrong

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By *stwoCouple
over a year ago

anywhere

Noproblems with people on benefits providing there is a genuine reason for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should take all of their kids off them and melt down all the little orphans and make glue out of them!

That is fucking sick, seriously close this thread down at once. PLEASE!

i have no idea who said that, but thats a little wrong.

and no one suggested slavery, for christs sake, but really, why do so many people seemingly have a problem with people oging out to earn thier way in life?

THAT is what is wrong with society today, not the people who see benefit careers as wrong"

true i take home less than the family next door and they have never worked and have 6 kids between them and he was a single parent the mother of his kids took off as for her she worked untill they got together now its not worth them working as they waould lose half the money they are on and this is were the problem lays

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We should take all of their kids off them and melt down all the little orphans and make glue out of them!

That is fucking sick, seriously close this thread down at once. PLEASE!

i have no idea who said that, but thats a little wrong.

and no one suggested slavery, for christs sake, but really, why do so many people seemingly have a problem with people oging out to earn thier way in life?

THAT is what is wrong with society today, not the people who see benefit careers as wrong"

Only a lil wrong you say ????? i feel that comment made is totally wrong and completly sick.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"Trouble is.. As long as we accept people are going to live on benefits for as long as possible and let them get away with it, the worse it is going to get! I know what I would do..

Kids into school and into a breakfast club. Meal 1! Lunch times, free school meals. Meal 2! After school clubs and a feed. Meal 3!

Can you tell me where these 6 million jobs are

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"We should take all of their kids off them and melt down all the little orphans and make glue out of them!

That is fucking sick, seriously close this thread down at once. PLEASE!

i have no idea who said that, but thats a little wrong.

and no one suggested slavery, for christs sake, but really, why do so many people seemingly have a problem with people oging out to earn thier way in life?

THAT is what is wrong with society today, not the people who see benefit careers as wrong

Only a lil wrong you say ????? i feel that comment made is totally wrong and completly sick. "

it is, but then again, i cant find the post that it was made on.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"Trouble is.. As long as we accept people are going to live on benefits for as long as possible and let them get away with it, the worse it is going to get! I know what I would do..

Kids into school and into a breakfast club. Meal 1! Lunch times, free school meals. Meal 2! After school clubs and a feed. Meal 3!

Can you tell me where these 6 million jobs are "

obviously not in cwmbran seeing as you are happily advocating a life on benefits for all.

yayyy, wonder hwo is going to pay for us all to draw them

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable to be on benefits.

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable for any Government to review benefits in terms of the nation's ability to afford them.

And yes, it's perfectly acceptable for there to be a system of checks in place against those who, quite frankly, defraud the system and all tax payers, with proportionate penalties.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable to be on benefits.

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable for any Government to review benefits in terms of the nation's ability to afford them.

And yes, it's perfectly acceptable for there to be a system of checks in place against those who, quite frankly, defraud the system and all tax payers, with proportionate penalties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable to be on benefits.

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable for any Government to review benefits in terms of the nation's ability to afford them.

And yes, it's perfectly acceptable for there to be a system of checks in place against those who, quite frankly, defraud the system and all tax payers, with proportionate penalties.

is it acceptable for me to drive past my local town center pubs 3 to 4 times aday while im at work and see the same people sat out side all day long people who are on benifits and claiming DLA because they have a drink problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive been on both sides of the fence. Worked all my life and now cant

I loved my job and would gladly go back into work if i could.

Some people hate being within the "system", others are on it all their lives. I object to the latter.

They have made claiming benefits a career and so will their kids and on and on it will go.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable to be on benefits.

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable for any Government to review benefits in terms of the nation's ability to afford them.

And yes, it's perfectly acceptable for there to be a system of checks in place against those who, quite frankly, defraud the system and all tax payers, with proportionate penalties.

See second item above, elect and use your representatives wisely.

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By *ummy mummyWoman
over a year ago

southampton-ish

"if you have worked, and paid into the system, then i see no reason why someone shouldt draw on that when they hit hard times.

also, if you have a young family, you dont really have much of a choice but to do so.

however, its the career mothers, or lazy feckless people that have no want to work that dont deserve it, imo.

i would actually have a system whereas you start with, say, 5 yars worth of benefits awarded to you from birth.

as you work, that extends (maybe to include pension, i dont know) and then when you reach hard times you use your banked allowance to help you through.

once its gone, its gone. hard luck.

it has already dropped to when youngest is 5. I am currently working part time and I am very fortunate that my boss will be able to up my hours in June, once my twins turn 5 years old so that I can finally get to that next level. I never thought that I would be put in the situation of having to collect benefits but when my ex left me with 4 month old twins and a 2 year old, did not really see any other option at the time.Once my twins were in preschool half a day I managed to get a part time job,local and with an amazing boss who works around my need to finish early to collect the kids.

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable to be on benefits.

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable for any Government to review benefits in terms of the nation's ability to afford them.

And yes, it's perfectly acceptable for there to be a system of checks in place against those who, quite frankly, defraud the system and all tax payers, with proportionate penalties.

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couldnt have put it better myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable to be on benefits.

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable for any Government to review benefits in terms of the nation's ability to afford them.

And yes, it's perfectly acceptable for there to be a system of checks in place against those who, quite frankly, defraud the system and all tax payers, with proportionate penalties.

depends if there drinking in a no drink allowed area. If there not then yes its acceptable for you to drive past your pub 3 to 4 times a day to watch them drink if thats what floats yr boat as there not breaking any laws.

How do you know these same people are on benefits and claiming dla have you stopped and asked them?

maybe there homeless and not on benefits who knows. Ide say yeah its perfectly acceptable to be on benefits considering as a tax payer myself and no job security as the norm these days then i to along with yourself could be unemployed and in need of benefits tommorow. What i do object to is the narrow minded stigmatic view by some such as that if your on benefits your ovbiously some sort of scumbag. People on benefits can hardly afford to feed themselves let alone there families let alone have the pleasure of being alcholhilic unemployed scum bags for refernce just look at the steep rise in charitable food banks today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable to be on benefits.

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable for any Government to review benefits in terms of the nation's ability to afford them.

And yes, it's perfectly acceptable for there to be a system of checks in place against those who, quite frankly, defraud the system and all tax payers, with proportionate penalties.

How do you know these same people are on benefits and claiming dla have you stopped and asked them?

these people i am talking about are there every day and also pick up there drink alounce every day how do i know this because i know some of them and i dont see why the tax payer should feed some ones drink or even drug problem when people who suffer from MS and heart complints that meen they can not work get sod all of thisor anyother governt my hubby for one was injured while serving this country as a member of the armed forces and he gets nothing and he carnt work he wished he could but he carnt all he will get is his army penshion when he turns 65 if he lives that long

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course its acceptable but acceptable for the short to medium term. When you start to get into 4,5 6 years or more then its not good for you and your future prospects. An employer will always wonder the longer someone has been out of work as to their commitment to get back into it. You also have to realise your skills diminish in most trades as things update.

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

well according to a previous poster both my kids should have been taken from me while my hubby and I were out of work!

I have been out of work since 2009 because I moved with hubby who was in the army at the time. I was pregnant at the time and finished off my mat leave. On returning to the UK in 2010 I applied daily for a new job with little results. Occasionally I got an interview but was lucky if I received any feedback from them.

Hubby left the Army in December after 12 years and is really struggling to gain employment. There is next to nothing out there but he is looking every day.

He has been on a training course which lasted 2 weeks. He was told that he wouldn't be paid his JSA if he went for another training course that ran on his sign on day

Thankfully I have now managed to find employment but it really hasn't been an easy road. We have managed to get into some financial difficulties and been forced to go cap in hand for help.

Re benefits .... I don't agree with those who use them as a career choice if you like.

Clearly there are those who have paid into the system and while they hate the idea, they are entitled to claim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well according to a previous poster both my kids should have been taken from me while my hubby and I were out of work!"

Whooooooh now not according to me thank you!

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over a year ago

"well according to a previous poster both my kids should have been taken from me while my hubby and I were out of work!

Whooooooh now not according to me thank you!

me ether

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well according to a previous poster both my kids should have been taken from me while my hubby and I were out of work!

Nope, neither of you were out of work in excess of 5 years, so it wouldn't have applied! plus that 5 years according to the original post would have been added to for every year you were in work, details on how much extra you "earn" per year were not included in the idea but as you say hubby was in the forces for 12 years thats got to count for at least another 3 or more so is 8 years benefits minimum enough?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

We have a fantastic benefits system, it's there for all the right reasons, for when someone falls down on their luck, for when someones job is pulled out from under them, it's something we must fight to maintain....

However (didn't you just know I would have a however?)....It gets abused, it's become the 'career choice' of many....far too many.

It's seen as a god given right by a massive section of our society, and many use it as an excuse for not wanting to better themselves....which I find the saddest thing of all.

To many it's a much needed crutch when they most need it.....to many more it's a much needed excuse when they need to justify their lazy lifestyle.

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

"well according to a previous poster both my kids should have been taken from me while my hubby and I were out of work!

Whooooooh now not according to me thank you!

I didn't say the previous poster, I said A previous poster. Couldn't recall their name ... sorry

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"We have a fantastic benefits system, it's there for all the right reasons, for when someone falls down on their luck, for when someones job is pulled out from under them, it's something we must fight to maintain....

However (didn't you just know I would have a however?)....It gets abused, it's become the 'career choice' of many....far too many.

It's seen as a god given right by a massive section of our society, and many use it as an excuse for not wanting to better themselves....which I find the saddest thing of all.

To many it's a much needed crutch when they most need it.....to many more it's a much needed excuse when they need to justify their lazy lifestyle."

Not entirely correct, a generation ago we used to have a reasonable system. The system itself is broken and abusive.

Take for example the coalitions move to reduce housing benefit for a three bedroom residence downwards ( and not in all cases ) to a maximum of £400 per week, per WEEK not per month.

Think what ordinary, hardworking people could do with £1,733 per month towards their mortgage or rental costs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Take for example the coalitions move to reduce housing benefit for a three bedroom residence downwards ( and not in all cases ) to a maximum of £400 per week, per WEEK not per month.

To begin with.

I can see that figure coming down to reflect rental prices in any given area and what people/families can realistically expect the govt to foot the bill for. Those currently living in plush mansions in London that they'd never otherwise be able to afford can relax as the new cap is not retrospective, but they'll move out/move on sooner or later in the natural cycle of things and the private landlord of said properties will find themselves struggling for tennants paid for by the taxpayer. Any new tennants will not find themselves put up in swanky town houses in Central London or a nice little 5-bed detached out in Surrey. Give it time but I'm convinced that eventually we'll have a housing policy for the homeless that reflects their status in the order of things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's many faults with the welfare system I think we will all agree on that. I on benefits and I hate it though I just about started to accept that I in one of the circumstances what the welfare system was put in place for. I a sole carer of a severely disabled child who has complex health issues that mean I can be called to him or have to stay at home for days on end. and simply cannot hold onto a job as I would an sacked with the amount of time I will be taking of. I do volunteer when my child's health allows the charity I volunteer for know I can have to run out when my phone rings and not turn up some days if I home with child but I do my bit when I can. and though everyone is entitled to an opinion on a open forum unless you been in someones situation you really do not have a clue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems to me that it is okay to be on benefits if you are not seen to be as well off as the workers, as long as you are poor, go cap in hand, struggling to find work don't have a holiday or any luxuries then cool .... you can have benefits.

You look like you have a better standard of living or have a reasonable life then fekk off ye sponger!

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

tell you what we can do as well how about all those unfortu... sorry scroungers who haven't found work after 5 years .we could make them where a star on there clothes and live in a ghetto eh stigmatise them even more suspect that some on here would be happy then .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"tell you what we can do as well how about all those unfortu... sorry scroungers who haven't found work after 5 years .we could make them where a star on there clothes and live in a ghetto eh stigmatise them even more suspect that some on here would be happy then ."

the germans would claim copyright if we did

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

the germans would claim copyright if we did"

And sorry wishy but phrases like "eventually we'll have a housing policy for the homeless that reflects their status in the order of things." just seem like it's something that would have been written in 1930's germany

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable to be on benefits.

Yes. Of course it's perfectly acceptable for any Government to review benefits in terms of the nation's ability to afford them.

And yes, it's perfectly acceptable for there to be a system of checks in place against those who, quite frankly, defraud the system and all tax payers, with proportionate penalties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when we allow the lowest of the low to survive then we infect the genepool, and its a slippery slope my friends.

(actually the last bit is just an inane rant, the main point is in the first section of my post)"

Yet you still raised it. It maybe an inane rant..Actually it is pretty vacuous but I'm not convinced that you don't believe it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe you could suggest a "no DSS" tab on you're profiles here.

Heaven forbid meeting one, they might not have washed their particulars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And sorry wishy but phrases like "eventually we'll have a housing policy for the homeless that reflects their status in the order of things." just seem like it's something that would have been written in 1930's germany

Huh? Are you having one or something?

A housing policy that places people/families in houses that they would realistically be able to afford if they were working is a pretty sound policy to me. How the hell does that smack of nazism?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No it is never acceptable to be on benefits.

You are entitled to benefits if you cannot find work but I find it unacceptable for a government to leave a vast proportion of it's people rotting and alienated. It is not acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No it is never acceptable to be on benefits.

You are entitled to benefits if you cannot find work but I find it unacceptable for a government to leave a vast proportion of it's people rotting and alienated. It is not acceptable."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No it is never acceptable to be on benefits.

You are entitled to benefits if you cannot find work but I find it unacceptable for a government to leave a vast proportion of it's people rotting and alienated. It is not acceptable."

that just about sums it up for me..well said granny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well if it was not then me thinks perhaps the chat rooms and forums on here would get empty at various times during the day maybe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when we allow the lowest of the low to survive then we infect the genepool, and its a slippery slope my friends.

I've heard this said somewhere before, I think it was a statement by some cult in America. They advocate killing all disabled and infirm so the gene pool is not infected.

I've never heard anything so evil and down right sick in all my life! You should definitely should be seriously ashamed of yourself!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take a different view, I would like everybody to be on state benefits, that way the only people working is for gain. Much better incentive than all that bollocks about life doesn't owe you a living.

They should remove the link with having children, if you're a lazy slapper who can't be bothered you'll get no more with a kid than without, so don't forget to take your pill.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Of course it is acceptable, I have changed my views recently as my sister had a mental breakdown and therefore lost her job to it.

The only thing I don't like about the system is she is like me, has no children and has her own mortage....therefore trying to get help has had her jumping through hoops which does not help with her mental condition, if anything has put her behind another year, trying to get back on the road to recovery!

You hear so much about what some people get in the way of benefits, and what she has had to endure, it just beggers belief at times.....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I take a different view, I would like everybody to be on state benefits, that way the only people working is for gain. Much better incentive than all that bollocks about life doesn't owe you a living.

They should remove the link with having children, if you're a lazy slapper who can't be bothered you'll get no more with a kid than without, so don't forget to take your pill."

Or if you are a fucking sexist twunt who got a young lady pregnant then left her on her own deserting your child in the process and paying no child support ?

So many miracle births these days according to mysoginists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should remove the link with having children, if you're a lazy slapper who can't be bothered you'll get no more with a kid than without, so don't forget to take your pill.

Or if you are a fucking sexist twunt who got a young lady pregnant then left her on her own deserting your child in the process and paying no child support ?

So many miracle births these days according to mysoginists. "

I think you misconstruing what my point is, my point is that I would rather give people, especially the young a base in which to build, rather than if you fuck up (avoidably), don't worry we'll bail you out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well from my point of view I do think it's unacceptable for some to be in benefits!

Why? Well I have a long term illness and I still get up everyday and work as well as do rescue work with animals.

Too many lazy sods out there! Get pregnant and get a lovely free house paid for by my taxes

I am widowed and I went from having 2 wages coming in to having just mine. I fell apart but instead of wallowing in self pity I got a better paid job to help with the short fall. Believe me if I can do it anyone can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well from my point of view I do think it's unacceptable for some to be in benefits!

Why? Well I have a long term illness and I still get up everyday and work as well as do rescue work with animals.

Too many lazy sods out there! Get pregnant and get a lovely free house paid for by my taxes

That says a lot but its really down to attitude. Its not good or acceptable for anyone to see benefits as a solution. They were and are a short term gap until you can support yourself and regain self worth.

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By *pankable69Woman
over a year ago

Norwich

what has this topic got to do with sex, all it does is feed ignorant people to make assumptions about other people without any insights into there lives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what has this topic got to do with sex, all it does is feed ignorant people to make assumptions about other people without any insights into there lives"

I agree, why not give everybody state benefits and then claw it back through a progressive tax system.

Leave them alone to get pregnant, waste it on booze or build a multibillion company.

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By *pankable69Woman
over a year ago

Norwich

oh another small minded ignorant comment based on fuck all than a generalization perhaps encourage david cameron on here and you can do him up up the arse

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Sometimes yes.

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By *uvi n Jolly RogCouple
over a year ago

West Somerset... Near Butlins

Fabswingers....hmmmmmm, lets swing and fuck and let the government who are, lets face it...grossly overpaid fuckin idiots sort it out....what is this....question time? Jeez people! Without wishing to add to this endless show of non swingers.... Class 4 contributions go straight to government coffers, they cover nothing....whos getting all that wonga? Lets fuck and let the government fuck the country like they have done for years! Lets talk about sex baby....lets talk abou....wel all be out buyin friggin sock braces instead of dildos and cock rings soon!!!

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By *uvi n Jolly RogCouple
over a year ago

West Somerset... Near Butlins

"what has this topic got to do with sex, all it does is feed ignorant people to make assumptions about other people without any insights into there lives"

Hear hear....yes...HEAR HEAR!! This is a swinging site, not Question Time....leave it to the idiots that run the country and lets get swinging! Personally we think the site should scrap forums, camrooms and club ads, then we all might have some fun instead of listening to weirdos squabble over things...fook all to do with swinging!

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By *pankable69Woman
over a year ago

Norwich

"what has this topic got to do with sex, all it does is feed ignorant people to make assumptions about other people without any insights into there lives

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

No one forced you to read or post in the forums. It was pretty obvious what this thread would be about by the title of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what has this topic got to do with sex, all it does is feed ignorant people to make assumptions about other people without any insights into there lives

You keep finding Threads to air your rather bigotted views. You were taken to pieces elsewhere and now you are spouting it here.

So let me get this right: No Forum. No chatrooms. No club Ads. So what does that leave? Personal ads only I think. So how do we get to know which people are interesting and which are just a big turn off.

You spout the typical Hardened Swinger attitude of seeing it as 'just a fuck'. Well for me and hundreds of others on here it is far far more than that. And if Forums are so wrong why do you keep posting in them? But at least you have shown to others the sort of people you are.

Regarding the OP yes of course people should be supported by the Benefit system when in need. And without any sense of guilt either. Its what a compassionate society does. But there should be limits and control. It one's right to be supported by the public purse but with that comes responsibility to get off the support as soon as possible.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"well according to a previous poster both my kids should have been taken from me while my hubby and I were out of work!"

and under the system i proposed, you and you hero hubby would be entitled to at the very least, 11 years on full benefits, without either of you working, before it was brought to your attention that it was going to end (5 year start off allowance, and 6 months for every year your hubby worked), but seeings as you are working part time also, then that would also be contributing to the continuation of the payments until your OH manages to get himself sorted.

see, its a perfectly workable system, for those that actually want to do something.

it only doesnt work for those that dont.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

see, its a perfectly workable system, for those that actually want to do something.

it only doesnt work for those that dont."

Saw your post earlier about your idea and its so bloody simple and therefore workable. But the Civil Service don't like simple ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

Cute for me you are the only one who can truly answer your post, if you have the need the country will provide, it's one of the things that makes us Great Britain. Compassion, resolve and resolute to the end

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However (didn't you just know I would have a however?)....It gets abused, it's become the 'career choice' of many....far too many.

It's seen as a god given right by a massive section of our society, and many use it as an excuse for not wanting to better themselves....which I find the saddest thing of all.

To many it's a much needed crutch when they most need it.....to many more it's a much needed excuse when they need to justify their lazy lifestyle."

We do not have a fantastic benefits system-ask the Swedes or the Norwegians. A single unemployed person receives about sixty pounds a week which he is supposed to live on. If he pays rent then the chances are that his Local Housing Allowance will not cover it, which means that he will have to pay some of his sixty pounds a week to his landlord.

And all this discussion about Housing Benefit caps misses the point which is that if we had a decent system in the first place, landlords wouldn't be able to charge the highest rents in Europe; the rents they could charge would be regulated by the state like they were here before Thatcher and still are in Germany and the Scandinavian countries.

The gap between rich and poor in the UK is one of the highest in the developed world and growing steadily, and the rich are rich because the poor are poor. Knocking the poor, rather than attempting to change this situation is cowardly and beneath contempt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry haven't fully read it all was way too long i've come to it near the end but just wanted to say that yes it most certainly is acceptable to be on benefits

they are there to help those in situations that they occasionally find themselves in, my only bone with it is those that use it as an excuse to be lazy and not use it as the stop gap it was intended to be

some people do look down on those on it and i guess thats one of the reasons we were quite determined to not have to use the benefits system unless it was an absolute necessity and yes it has been a necessity twice but thankfully for short periods of time and there has been other times where we would of been able to but chose not to and got second jobs or sold things we owned to get through it but fully understand that not everyone can do this and needs must i would never judge someone in that situation i only judge those that abuse the system as they see it as the easy option

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely you have to look at each individuals circumstances before making a decision. Some people have no intention of working, therefore they will need to be dealt with in a way that makes it very difficult not to work.

Some want to work but the jobs are not there to give then enough of an income to come away from benefits. However the system is such that it is not flexible enough to cater for someone who works for example a 25 hour week on minimum wage. Therefore there is no incentive to take the job.

Also we are in an economic climate where jobs are not readily available. So we then get to a point where school leavers not entitled to benefits and those who are on benefits all go for the same job. The school peacetime is more likely to take a minimum wage job than someone who will have bigger outgoings.

Suggesting voluntary work is done, what will that do to ease the situation. They will still be on benefits and not actually contributing to the economy by providing an end product, so how will it help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wayyyyyyy too deep for me

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By *uvi n Jolly RogCouple
over a year ago

West Somerset... Near Butlins

"what has this topic got to do with sex, all it does is feed ignorant people to make assumptions about other people without any insights into there lives

You keep finding Threads to air your rather bigotted views. You were taken to pieces elsewhere and now you are spouting it here.

We are all entitled to opinion, this is a swinging site, not question time. If people want to wank or pose on cam they can, but we dont and find it perverted. Entitled Opinion mate, just like yours of us....we are far from hardened. We chat to people on the phone, that way we know theyr genuine

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"what has this topic got to do with sex, all it does is feed ignorant people to make assumptions about other people without any insights into there lives

No one is forced to use any part of the site including the forums.

you can choose which ones to join in on...I see you chose the forums

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"No one is forced to use any part of the site including the forums."

This isn't strictly true as I attempt to force most people to look at my bottom pictures.

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

"what has this topic got to do with sex, all it does is feed ignorant people to make assumptions about other people without any insights into there lives

No one is forced to use any part of the site including the forums.

you can choose which ones to join in on...I see you chose the forums

Well said

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"No one is forced to use any part of the site including the forums.

This isn't strictly true as I attempt to force most people to look at my bottom pictures."

What bottom pics?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it ever acceptable to be on benifits............ yes it is . Some people need help and cant work and some have familys to that would suffer ... its the ones who can work and mike it for all its worth puts peoples backs up .. when dont even go looking for a job .

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"No one is forced to use any part of the site including the forums.

This isn't strictly true as I attempt to force most people to look at my bottom pictures.

What bottom pics?

http://www.fabswingers.com/profile/funky_monkey

LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT ITTTTTTT!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

omg omg omg i wish i hadnt looked

I saw monkey penis... eak! has that always been available for public viewing??

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Of course, benefits are a sort of "catch 22" situation! We know that we have to (as a country) get more people off benefits and back into work, but we really don't have the will!

If we say that we have to stop benefits at some point, we then have to remember that their may be children involved. Children are innocents (mostly! lol) and have to be protected. We can't take kids away from parents just because they don't have a job. Even if we could, it would cost a fortune to keep them. So, we leave the children with the parents and pay them benefits because we can't penalise the kids!

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