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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

who says cameron and osborne should go ,looking at other comments on other sites he has plunged a lot of people into poverty, with his new osterity policy , yes i agree that we have to draw our belts in but ,this has gone too far . I have a few friends and employes that were on working tax credits ,and because there hours now dond mach the goverments new hours of 24 they lost all of there working tax,i no of one girl who is £235 down a month and my mate has lost £175 . now this may not seem a lot of monie to you and i but for a fam that is strugling .The only way open to these people if there employers cant up there hours too 24 or over is for them to go back on unemployment.How is this right or worse better for the ecomany

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i thought you had to work 30+ to get working tax credit anyway, its only 16 hours if you have kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But the rich are getting richer so they don't care. Tory scum have never been for the working class ordinary guy. Only look after their own. Hate them all they are scum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The pair of them have lost the plot. The rich are getting richer thanks to taxation policies and the low paid poorer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

the goverment had a rethink ,chek working tax, last year it was 16 hrs or more ,now they have moved the goal posts ,not a lot of people no yet, it is now 24 hrs or more to qualif,the earnings limit has came down from £34k to £26k to qulif ,i have just been sent a info pak by hm tax rev on this , my main bitch is why move the hrs from 16 24 ,it seem to me it is just a way of stoping working tax ,the tax office said ,that they notified all claiments on the changes nov last year ,i have yet to hear of anyone who has had this notifacation from them and so far i have spoken to quiet a few people ,thet cant all have got it wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Cam and Ozzy aren't paid enough actually. Their salaries should at least be inline with council leaders - some of whom are Labour council leaders.

Our politicians are poor relations compared to other countries.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"But the rich are getting richer so they don't care. Tory scum have never been for the working class ordinary guy. Only look after their own. Hate them all they are scum. "

Totally agree. This government - with Lib Dems being as bad as the Cons - is inept, and have no regard for the vast majority of the people of this country. They have no plan for growth, with a solitary focus on cuts, especially decimating to the lower income amongst us. Financial experts around the world have condemned the emphasis on cuts here in the UK, including leading academics in the US, where the economy has been growing, whilst ours is in decline.

It's widely known that the lower earning amongst us pay a higher proportion of their income into the local economy. Cutting benefits such as the tax credits will continue to decimate UK businesses, which depend on these people spending.

At least the opinion polls are now showing how far they've sunk, the tories and libdems not being believed or supported by anything but a few ignorant ideological nuts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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At least the opinion polls are now showing how far they've sunk, the tories and libdems not being believed or supported by anything but a few ignorant ideological nuts."

Public opinion is changing and for good reason.

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By *nytimeadeMan
over a year ago

Skegness

'CON'DEMs ' ...nuff said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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At least the opinion polls are now showing how far they've sunk, the tories and libdems not being believed or supported by anything but a few ignorant ideological nuts.

Public opinion is changing and for good reason."

I wouldn't worry too much, public opinion is fickle and changes according to who's putting money in their pockets and who's taking it out. Mid-term anti-govt polls are commonplace regardless of whether it's Labour or the Conservatives in power. By the time the General Election comes around voters tend to take a harder look at the overall picture and that's when they realise (most of the time) that the party in power is better than the one that isn't. It'll take more than a Pasty Tax to topple this govt.

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By *ldestswingerintownMan
over a year ago

Lancaster

Actually by "Council Leaders" I think you mean Councillors who are in top places on the Council, who work all the hours God sends just for expenses. You're probably confusing them with Council Chief Executives, who are non-political officials in charge of budgets frequently of £millions.

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By *omnlynneCouple
over a year ago

milton keynes

the wtc rule changes is applied for couples the hours have to be 24 or more for single parents it remains at 16.

the tories regardless of the rhetoric are once again driving us back to hardship as did maggie in the past.

the problem stems from the fact that as they are all multi millionaires they have no cause for concern regarding the working man/woman but sadly labour in having brown as the leader at the last election did for them so we now reap what we sow....and we still have another 30 months of this mob....unless the libs grow a set which is highly unlikley

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg.

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool


"We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg."

...you are not in a minority of 1 but 2 now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" ...you are not in a minority of 1 but 2 now "

Yoo-hoo... 3!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my son got made redundant from his job and was on benefit then he had his housing benefit cut because he is under 35 they expect you to live with your parents or share with someone who you dont even know, so we had to lend him some money, luckily he has got a job now though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But the rich are getting richer so they don't care. Tory scum have never been for the working class ordinary guy. Only look after their own. Hate them all they are scum. "

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


" ...you are not in a minority of 1 but 2 now

Yoo-hoo... 3! "

4, although im not a die hard tory. i am a realist, and i had less money in my pocket under the last couple of years of labliar then i have in the first 2 years of tories.

i said it before and i will say it agina, dont judge this gevernment on this perliament.

it takes 1 term to even get close to anything like the current governments policies and so on, so they should get a 2nd term to just see things throguh.

if they are still fucked after that, by all means vote your precious labour party back in, but lets face it, the top knobs in labour are no poorer or more in touch than the top knobs in the tories, so what actually makes anyone think they will represent the 'common man' anymore than this lot? answer, they wont, because they didnt last time.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

oh, and i would really love the cabinet to be made up of actual muppets lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But the rich are getting richer so they don't care. Tory scum have never been for the working class ordinary guy. Only look after their own. Hate them all they are scum.

"

Forgive me for mentioning it but the rich got richer under Labour and worse the gap between rich and poor got WIDER.

Ther rich will always get richer because they have the money to buy professional advisors. And you know what I don't care because I can't do diddley about and don't want to.

I am a working class Tory (and eveidently scum as well) but will see the PAYE tax I pay get less under this government. And my NI is frozen. And my mate's pension just increased by 5.2%. And my Council Tax is frozen.

But well its all wiped out by my having to pay 5p more for a hot pastie. Bastards!

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"But the rich are getting richer so they don't care. Tory scum have never been for the working class ordinary guy. Only look after their own. Hate them all they are scum.

Forgive me for mentioning it but the rich got richer under Labour and worse the gap between rich and poor got WIDER.

Ther rich will always get richer because they have the money to buy professional advisors. And you know what I don't care because I can't do diddley about and don't want to.

I am a working class Tory (and eveidently scum as well) but will see the PAYE tax I pay get less under this government. And my NI is frozen. And my mate's pension just increased by 5.2%. And my Council Tax is frozen.

But well its all wiped out by my having to pay 5p more for a hot pastie. Bastards!"

But whilst the rich have had their tax burden cut this year you have to wait for next year. The VAT you pay has gone up by 15% approx and you pay it straight away. Fuel duty is going up. Millions of working families have had their benefits stopped despite not getting a payrise to cope with inflation. Yet at the same time people continue to avoid paying tax - Yes we are all in it together

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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But whilst the rich have had their tax burden cut this year you have to wait for next year. The VAT you pay has gone up by 15% approx and you pay it straight away. Fuel duty is going up. Millions of working families have had their benefits stopped despite not getting a payrise to cope with inflation. Yet at the same time people continue to avoid paying tax - Yes we are all in it together "

Well nearly right but well put.

The tax 'burden' for the rich will increase through raising of other taxes and closing of loopholes despite the higher tax band going down from 50p to 45p NEXT YEAR. By the way a Labour tabled an ammendment hat would have reduced it to 40p! Go figure. And in power they kept it at 40p until 3 weeks before the election and raised it to 50p. Impressive! Dare I mention that the 10% rich pay more tax in total to the Exchequer than the rest of us 90%.

My tax has just decreased as they increased the taxable allowance THIS YEAR. And it will decrease again NEXT YEAR. And this has gives a huge benefit to poorly paid as they keep more of their money plus it gives a better incentive for people to get out of the benefit trap.

VAT went up last year from 17.5% to 20% asnyou say. The only tax that was increased and one which is not on food and childrens clothing. The 'Pasty Tax' was all about making it fairer on Fish & Chip shops and Maccie D's who have always had to charge VAT on hot food.

Fuel Duty was held down by this government getting rid of Labour's fuel escalator worth some 5p a litre so far since they came to power.

No benefits have been stopped. Some have been reduced where its fair to do so. I gross £26k a year so where is it fair for a family on benefits to be paid more than me and I work 60+ hours a week for it?

Benefits have been increased by 5.2% across the board in line with inflation. Never been done before and the highest increase recorded. My mate's pension has been increased by the same figure compared to Labour's insulting 75p a week....

Yes we are all in this shitpile together. Unless you are Tony Blair off earning millions. Or Gordon Brown off earning millions. Or David Milliband off earning millions. Or balls, cooper, milliband et al sitting feeling well smug that they lost the election and don't have to carry the can...

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

It was the tories who introduced the fuel price escalator and yes benefits have been cut unless i'm just imagining that I have lost my child tax credits

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"It was the tories who introduced the fuel price escalator and yes benefits have been cut unless i'm just imagining that I have lost my child tax credits"

and it was the tories that introduced the poll tax too (allbeit now the council tax) however, its was labliar that bastardised BOTH to ensure we are dry humped into paying out through the nose for both.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

I see cameron is having another embaressing day being summoned to, or dragged as some people are saying, to the house of commons to explain himself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was the tories who introduced the fuel price escalator and yes benefits have been cut unless i'm just imagining that I have lost my child tax credits"

Well sort of and that was 14 years ago but hey lets forget the intervening 13 years of a Brown controlled Treasury. He had no influence on reducing fuel tax at all did he?

So you will be earning more than me then ...care to explain the full story?

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"It was the tories who introduced the fuel price escalator and yes benefits have been cut unless i'm just imagining that I have lost my child tax credits

and it was the tories that introduced the poll tax too (allbeit now the council tax) however, its was labliar that bastardised BOTH to ensure we are dry humped into paying out through the nose for both."

Actually didnt Labour suspend it for most of their tenure, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see cameron is having another embaressing day being summoned to, or dragged as some people are saying, to the house of commons to explain himself."

Labour making something out of nothing as usual in the cause of party political point scoring. Its how our democracy works mate. Labour ask a question and the PM replies. I quite like that but I don't see Cameron being dragged kicking and screaming...lmao

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"It was the tories who introduced the fuel price escalator and yes benefits have been cut unless i'm just imagining that I have lost my child tax credits

Well sort of and that was 14 years ago but hey lets forget the intervening 13 years of a Brown controlled Treasury. He had no influence on reducing fuel tax at all did he?

So you will be earning more than me then ...care to explain the full story?"

No I wouldnt care to explain - but it's true - do you have children

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"I see cameron is having another embaressing day being summoned to, or dragged as some people are saying, to the house of commons to explain himself.

Labour making something out of nothing as usual in the cause of party political point scoring. Its how our democracy works mate. Labour ask a question and the PM replies. I quite like that but I don't see Cameron being dragged kicking and screaming...lmao"

well it's his own party saying hes been dragged

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No I wouldnt care to explain - but it's true - do you have children"

Yes I do. I adopted two. Is that OK with you? But when they were childen we didn't have 'Tax Credits' or other benefits like now. We had to go out and earn whatever it needed to pay the bills.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"It was the tories who introduced the fuel price escalator and yes benefits have been cut unless i'm just imagining that I have lost my child tax credits

and it was the tories that introduced the poll tax too (allbeit now the council tax) however, its was labliar that bastardised BOTH to ensure we are dry humped into paying out through the nose for both.

Actually didnt Labour suspend it for most of their tenure, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong"

then feel free to be corrected.

year on year council tax increased by MORE than inflation.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

oh, and i dont have children because i could never afford to pay for them.

see, i have social responsibility

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"It was the tories who introduced the fuel price escalator and yes benefits have been cut unless i'm just imagining that I have lost my child tax credits

and it was the tories that introduced the poll tax too (allbeit now the council tax) however, its was labliar that bastardised BOTH to ensure we are dry humped into paying out through the nose for both.

Actually didnt Labour suspend it for most of their tenure, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

then feel free to be corrected.

year on year council tax increased by MORE than inflation."

Sorry the discussion was about fuel duty

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"No I wouldnt care to explain - but it's true - do you have children

Yes I do. I adopted two. Is that OK with you? But when they were childen we didn't have 'Tax Credits' or other benefits like now. We had to go out and earn whatever it needed to pay the bills."

Why ask if it's ok with me - but your response certainly answers a lot of questions

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"oh, and i dont have children because i could never afford to pay for them.

see, i have social responsibility"

That's ok I don't mind my children helping to pay to support you in later life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg."

i don't claim to understand politics they beyond baffle me at times but i most certainly do understand it was labour got us in this mess and so many seem to forget that so quickly and jump on the tory bashing band wagon

i'm not tory by the way but i would rather them to get us out of this mess than have labour still in even the thought scares me, can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in right now if they had got back in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No I wouldnt care to explain - but it's true - do you have children

Yes I do. I adopted two. Is that OK with you? But when they were childen we didn't have 'Tax Credits' or other benefits like now. We had to go out and earn whatever it needed to pay the bills.

Why ask if it's ok with me - but your response certainly answers a lot of questions"

Responses are meant to ...

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Who can forget Animal on the drums!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who can forget Animal on the drums! "

I am now one of the Fogies in the balcony ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No I wouldnt care to explain - but it's true - do you have children

Yes I do. I adopted two. Is that OK with you? But when they were childen we didn't have 'Tax Credits' or other benefits like now. We had to go out and earn whatever it needed to pay the bills."

oh snap us too never had tax credits we just muddled through they did come into play whilst our kids were young enough for us to claim but we just didn't want to go down that route especially not with all the horror stories friends relayed to us of overpayments then demanding it back just one muddled mess we felt best avoided so we never even applied even though we were entitled we just found other ways to supliment our income when times got tough

too many take the easy route of handouts if more didn't we may be in a better situation, who knows huh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" ...you are not in a minority of 1 but 2 now

Yoo-hoo... 3!

4, although im not a die hard tory."

Ooh we have a 4some then ...

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden


"Who can forget Animal on the drums!

I am now one of the Fogies in the balcony ...."

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg.

i don't claim to understand politics they beyond baffle me at times but i most certainly do understand it was labour got us in this mess and so many seem to forget that so quickly and jump on the tory bashing band wagon

i'm not tory by the way but i would rather them to get us out of this mess than have labour still in even the thought scares me, can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in right now if they had got back in "

Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" ...you are not in a minority of 1 but 2 now

Yoo-hoo... 3!

4, although im not a die hard tory.

Ooh we have a 4some then ... "

does the fact i'm more tory than labour make 5?

actually almost liberal but hey don't shoot me

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over a year ago


" ...you are not in a minority of 1 but 2 now

Yoo-hoo... 3!

4, although im not a die hard tory.

Ooh we have a 4some then ...

does the fact i'm more tory than labour make 5?

actually almost liberal but hey don't shoot me "

The more the merrier. We need all the help we can get apparently ..

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over a year ago


"We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg.

i don't claim to understand politics they beyond baffle me at times but i most certainly do understand it was labour got us in this mess and so many seem to forget that so quickly and jump on the tory bashing band wagon

i'm not tory by the way but i would rather them to get us out of this mess than have labour still in even the thought scares me, can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in right now if they had got back in

Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances "

hey popping a lol doesn't make it any less patronising ya know, cheers for that

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"It was the tories who introduced the fuel price escalator and yes benefits have been cut unless i'm just imagining that I have lost my child tax credits

and it was the tories that introduced the poll tax too (allbeit now the council tax) however, its was labliar that bastardised BOTH to ensure we are dry humped into paying out through the nose for both.

Actually didnt Labour suspend it for most of their tenure, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

then feel free to be corrected.

year on year council tax increased by MORE than inflation.

Sorry the discussion was about fuel duty "

apologies.

but still, no, they only suspended it a few times, otherwise it ALWAYS rose, unless YOU can be arsed to prove me wrong lol

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"oh, and i dont have children because i could never afford to pay for them.

see, i have social responsibility

That's ok I don't mind my children helping to pay to support you in later life "

they wont need to.

i aim to pay my own way by working all my life, thankyouverymuchlyindeed

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg.

i don't claim to understand politics they beyond baffle me at times but i most certainly do understand it was labour got us in this mess and so many seem to forget that so quickly and jump on the tory bashing band wagon

i'm not tory by the way but i would rather them to get us out of this mess than have labour still in even the thought scares me, can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in right now if they had got back in

Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances

hey popping a lol doesn't make it any less patronising ya know, cheers for that "

Your welcome but it's not patronising if by your own admission you say you don't understand politics I was merely pointing out that there are alternative views to it "being all labours fault"

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over a year ago


"We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg.

i don't claim to understand politics they beyond baffle me at times but i most certainly do understand it was labour got us in this mess and so many seem to forget that so quickly and jump on the tory bashing band wagon

i'm not tory by the way but i would rather them to get us out of this mess than have labour still in even the thought scares me, can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in right now if they had got back in

Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances

hey popping a lol doesn't make it any less patronising ya know, cheers for that "

oh yeah and i'd rather believe tory lies than labour ones theirs are much larger and threaten my sons life in Afghanistan so seriously don't get me started on labours lies

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg.

i don't claim to understand politics they beyond baffle me at times but i most certainly do understand it was labour got us in this mess and so many seem to forget that so quickly and jump on the tory bashing band wagon

i'm not tory by the way but i would rather them to get us out of this mess than have labour still in even the thought scares me, can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in right now if they had got back in

Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances "

oncec again, no, its wasnt labour that caused the worldwide crisis, how absurd.

it was labour that spent all the money instead of holding some so we would have a little when the shit hit the fan, or are you going to blame someone else for that again?

your posts suggest to me someone that did VERY well under the last government.

maybe a benefits person that welcomed the extra insentives not to work and stay at home instead?

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over a year ago


"Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances "

How very condescending but illustrative of the Labour supporter's mind. "You don't agree with me so you don't understand" ...ffs

Tory lies? As I said before Labour pumped the economy up to create a boom economy based on the Financial Services sector. Fact. They failed to regulate that Sector and in fact decreased regulation as it was a Sector funding their boom. Fact.

And then the Bankers got too clever and greedy. Fact.

But Brown had failed to ensure we had the funds in place in the good times to support us in the bad times. Fact.

So he borrowed even more. Fact.

Can I refer you to the Bank of England reports and minutes of meetings. Or are they Tory Lies too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg.

i don't claim to understand politics they beyond baffle me at times but i most certainly do understand it was labour got us in this mess and so many seem to forget that so quickly and jump on the tory bashing band wagon

i'm not tory by the way but i would rather them to get us out of this mess than have labour still in even the thought scares me, can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in right now if they had got back in

Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances

oncec again, no, its wasnt labour that caused the worldwide crisis, how absurd.

it was labour that spent all the money instead of holding some so we would have a little when the shit hit the fan, or are you going to blame someone else for that again?

your posts suggest to me someone that did VERY well under the last government.

maybe a benefits person that welcomed the extra insentives not to work and stay at home instead?"

oooh now pulls up chair with tea and biccies !!

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"We just had a 'knock the Tories' Thread but hey ho ...

Right I seem to be in a minority of one here so here is my input:

Firstly I am a Tory. I vote Tory and I support this Government. And I take great exception to being called 'scum'. But then when Threads like this are allowed to run it feeds the Trolls...

As I said before I am in awe of Labour's spin machine whose only policy is 'Selective Amnesia' about their 13 years in power and thinks Loyal Opposition means misleading the media and public with false numbers and getting overly hysterical.

Less than 2 years ago this Coalition government inherited the worst economic situation since the 30s, the worst deficit in the G20 and quite literally 'no money left'. (about the only honest statement Liam Byrne ever made). Given that situation it HAD to urgently placate the money markets for two reasons: It needed to carry on borrowing in the short term to pay the public sector wages and pensions and it had to secure low interest rates. There was no choice and to achieve those aims it had to plan a severe cutback in spending (or raise taxes). In other words 'Austerity Measures'.

This Tory led government is doing what Tory governments always have to do: Clear up the finacial shitpile Labour always leaves. Maggie did indeed have to make cuts and raise taxes after Callaghan's Labour government had to call in the the IMF to bail us out.

And we are now seeing just what Brown did to this country as Chancellor and PM. He was over borrowing, over taxing and over spending (read what the Bank of England said) long before the bank crisis and so had no reserves left after 'the good times' to fight the effects of reckless banking. Recklessness which flourished under Brown's zero regulation policies.

Labour invented stealth taxes, borrowed way beyond our ability to repay and kept spending to pump up the economy into a false boom. Our future was built on the quicksand of boom and bust and now we are bust and sinking.

DO NOT blame 2 people who haven't even been in power 2 years yet and have 3 years left to go but look at the people who now sit on the Labour front bench and never forget that they were the ones in the Treasury for 13 years telling lies to us all and leaving a time bomb that may yet explode in our faces. And now have absolutely no recollection of it at all! Bastards!

If you want to look for 'scum' then I think Brown, Balls, Milliband 'et al' are better qualified than Cameron or Osbourne or Clegg.

i don't claim to understand politics they beyond baffle me at times but i most certainly do understand it was labour got us in this mess and so many seem to forget that so quickly and jump on the tory bashing band wagon

i'm not tory by the way but i would rather them to get us out of this mess than have labour still in even the thought scares me, can't even begin to imagine the mess we would be in right now if they had got back in

Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances

hey popping a lol doesn't make it any less patronising ya know, cheers for that

oh yeah and i'd rather believe tory lies than labour ones theirs are much larger and threaten my sons life in Afghanistan so seriously don't get me started on labours lies"

So if they were labour lies - what is your son doing in Afghanistan the tories have had 2 years to pull the troops out - unless the tories actually think there's a reason for them being there - and maybe more of a reason than there was to start bombing Libya

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over a year ago


"who says cameron and osborne should go ,looking at other comments on other sites he has plunged a lot of people into poverty, with his new osterity policy , yes i agree that we have to draw our belts in but ,this has gone too far . I have a few friends and employes that were on working tax credits ,and because there hours now dond mach the goverments new hours of 24 they lost all of there working tax,i no of one girl who is £235 down a month and my mate has lost £175 . now this may not seem a lot of monie to you and i but for a fam that is strugling .The only way open to these people if there employers cant up there hours too 24 or over is for them to go back on unemployment.How is this right or worse better for the ecomany"

Well really i think the overcrowding of the country encouraged by blair strretching services amenities to breaking point and the woefull economic mismangement by Brown has led us to where we are now. Granted the toffee boys cameron and Osbourne are just as inept and incompetent...they say were skint and ther fighting the good fight on our behalf as a result of labour pillaging and plundering the treasury yet at the same time plunging us into a double dip reccession whilst sending out millions of pounds of tax payers money in international aide to those debt ridden 3rd world.. nuclear capable countries such as Pakistan and India....food for thought the place osama bin laden was staying was formerly some sort of hospice constructed out of internation aide handouts so he was living in pakistan lil palace courtesy of us mugs! Cameron reminds me of that harry enfield character i think he was called nice but dim tim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

So if they were labour lies - what is your son doing in Afghanistan the tories have had 2 years to pull the troops out - unless the tories actually think there's a reason for them being there - and maybe more of a reason than there was to start bombing Libya"

You clearly don't understand military strategy either ...

And don't you mean Iraq and not Libya? That was Blair at his most deceitful and I still think he will end up in The Hague ...

Cameron led the world (and even the yanks had to agree he did it right) when he got UN authorisation to use force to protect civilian populations from Ghaddafi's thugs. Britain and France should be proud of what they did and how they did it.

Thatcher got it right over the Falklands and Gulf War I. Cameron got it right over Libya. Blair got it so wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan ..

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances "

Well, I know enough about politics to know that if Tony B.liar and Gordon Clown hadn't fucked up our finances so badly, we wouldn't be needing to make the cuts we are making now! If they hadn't sold most of our gold reserves when they first got in and if they hadn't raped the private pensions of ordinary folk and if they hadn’t used an unsound fiscal policy and bribes at election time, we wouldn't be in this boat now!

Yes there is a worldwide financial problem, but after 13 years of the Labour party letting the banks get away with dangerous policies and the government spending money we didn’t have, we had nothing to back us up against the crisis! No way on Gods earth can anyone be blamed for the crisis we find ourselves in except the Labour Party.

Family tax credits? I’d take em all away from people who can afford to jet off to foreign climes. Those having kids should make sure they are in a stable relationship and can afford it first!

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over a year ago


"Well, I know enough about politics to know that if Tony B.liar and Gordon Clown hadn't fucked up our finances so badly, we wouldn't be needing to make the cuts we are making now! If they hadn't sold most of our gold reserves when they first got in and if they hadn't raped the private pensions of ordinary folk and if they hadn’t used an unsound fiscal policy and bribes at election time, we wouldn't be in this boat now!

Yes there is a worldwide financial problem, but after 13 years of the Labour party letting the banks get away with dangerous policies and the government spending money we didn’t have, we had nothing to back us up against the crisis! No way on Gods earth can anyone be blamed for the crisis we find ourselves in except the Labour Party.

Family tax credits? I’d take em all away from people who can afford to jet off to foreign climes. Those having kids should make sure they are in a stable relationship and can afford it first!

"

Wow ...

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances

Well, I know enough about politics to know that if Tony B.liar and Gordon Clown hadn't fucked up our finances so badly, we wouldn't be needing to make the cuts we are making now! If they hadn't sold most of our gold reserves when they first got in and if they hadn't raped the private pensions of ordinary folk and if they hadn’t used an unsound fiscal policy and bribes at election time, we wouldn't be in this boat now!

Yes there is a worldwide financial problem, but after 13 years of the Labour party letting the banks get away with dangerous policies and the government spending money we didn’t have, we had nothing to back us up against the crisis! No way on Gods earth can anyone be blamed for the crisis we find ourselves in except the Labour Party.

Family tax credits? I’d take em all away from people who can afford to jet off to foreign climes. Those having kids should make sure they are in a stable relationship and can afford it first!

"

fascist! lol

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"Lol you're right you don't understand politics - it was not simply Labour that got us into this mess unless you believe the tory lies. If that was the case was it Labour that got the whole world in a mess - It was a worldwide financial crisis and labour did what any other government would have done - and the current government is following policies that many would argue are making the possibility of a recovery far less likey - but hey you's pay your money and take your chances

Well, I know enough about politics to know that if Tony B.liar and Gordon Clown hadn't fucked up our finances so badly, we wouldn't be needing to make the cuts we are making now! If they hadn't sold most of our gold reserves when they first got in and if they hadn't raped the private pensions of ordinary folk and if they hadn’t used an unsound fiscal policy and bribes at election time, we wouldn't be in this boat now!

Yes there is a worldwide financial problem, but after 13 years of the Labour party letting the banks get away with dangerous policies and the government spending money we didn’t have, we had nothing to back us up against the crisis! No way on Gods earth can anyone be blamed for the crisis we find ourselves in except the Labour Party.

Family tax credits? I’d take em all away from people who can afford to jet off to foreign climes. Those having kids should make sure they are in a stable relationship and can afford it first!

fascist! lol"

Like Mussolini, I base my fascism on Plato.. I mean as a man I don't like him, but I have to admit, he drives a mean BTCC touring car! And that Chinese MG he drives.. Pretty quick! Go Jason, Go..

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


"

So if they were labour lies - what is your son doing in Afghanistan the tories have had 2 years to pull the troops out - unless the tories actually think there's a reason for them being there - and maybe more of a reason than there was to start bombing Libya

You clearly don't understand military strategy either ...

And don't you mean Iraq and not Libya? That was Blair at his most deceitful and I still think he will end up in The Hague ...

Cameron led the world (and even the yanks had to agree he did it right) when he got UN authorisation to use force to protect civilian populations from Ghaddafi's thugs. Britain and France should be proud of what they did and how they did it.

Thatcher got it right over the Falklands and Gulf War I. Cameron got it right over Libya. Blair got it so wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan .."

Clearly I understand more than you - and no I mean Libya or have you forgotten that already

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over a year ago


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You clearly don't understand military strategy either ...

And don't you mean Iraq and not Libya? That was Blair at his most deceitful and I still think he will end up in The Hague ...

Cameron led the world (and even the yanks had to agree he did it right) when he got UN authorisation to use force to protect civilian populations from Ghaddafi's thugs. Britain and France should be proud of what they did and how they did it.

Thatcher got it right over the Falklands and Gulf War I. Cameron got it right over Libya. Blair got it so wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan ..

Clearly I understand more than you - and no I mean Libya or have you forgotten that already"

ERm ...Confused .com here now ..

I fully discussed Libya and said it was totally right and legal. And you quoted me.

Now I know short term memory loss is a risk in my advancing years but I do think you ought to discuss issues and not attack the person. Ah but you can't can you. You're Labour through and through.

My bad.

Sorry Pardon.

What did you say?

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran


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You clearly don't understand military strategy either ...

And don't you mean Iraq and not Libya? That was Blair at his most deceitful and I still think he will end up in The Hague ...

Cameron led the world (and even the yanks had to agree he did it right) when he got UN authorisation to use force to protect civilian populations from Ghaddafi's thugs. Britain and France should be proud of what they did and how they did it.

Thatcher got it right over the Falklands and Gulf War I. Cameron got it right over Libya. Blair got it so wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan ..

Clearly I understand more than you - and no I mean Libya or have you forgotten that already

ERm ...Confused .com here now ..

I fully discussed Libya and said it was totally right and legal. And you quoted me.

Now I know short term memory loss is a risk in my advancing years but I do think you ought to discuss issues and not attack the person. Ah but you can't can you. You're Labour through and through.

My bad.

Sorry Pardon.

What did you say?

"

I think you started attacking me first but never mind- do you want a pissing competition or what - clearly if the tories think the Afghan war is unwarrented they could pull the troops out in 6 months so why are people still being sent there

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over a year ago

Another recession, who is in charge? Took all the credit for any minor good news surely they must take the blame for the bad news, or blame Arthur Scargill. just waiting for The Telegraph to do that lol

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over a year ago


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clearly if the tories think the Afghan war is unwarrented they could pull the troops out in 6 months so why are people still being sent there "

To protect those already there whilst we extricate ourselves from a very complex situation.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

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clearly if the tories think the Afghan war is unwarrented they could pull the troops out in 6 months so why are people still being sent there

To protect those already there whilst we extricate ourselves from a very complex situation. "

NO. From a very simple situation Wishy. The Russians, who themselves were there for ten years previously, advised the "West" they were wasting their and that they would achieve nothing.

OK, admittedly, they killed Osama Bin Laden then residing in Pakistan.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

*wasting their time*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I think you started attacking me first but never mind- do you want a pissing competition or what - clearly if the tories think the Afghan war is unwarrented they could pull the troops out in 6 months so why are people still being sent there "

Typical Leftie Labour. Fabricate something and then act all indignant and get personal. Nowhere in this Thread have I attacked anyone contributing to it. I have pointed out where, in my view, supposed facts are wrong and where there are contradictions but there has been nothing personal. Unlike yourself.

I have, however, attacked in detail the policies and record of the Labour party and its leaders. A party you seem content to defend regardless of the real evidence. And that is to be regretted.

And in regard to Afghanistan I, and others more able than I, have already pointed out why withdrawl cannot be done before the date given by the Prime Minister.

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over a year ago


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clearly if the tories think the Afghan war is unwarrented they could pull the troops out in 6 months so why are people still being sent there

To protect those already there whilst we extricate ourselves from a very complex situation.

NO. From a very simple situation Wishy. The Russians, who themselves were there for ten years previously, advised the "West" they were wasting their and that they would achieve nothing.

OK, admittedly, they killed Osama Bin Laden then residing in Pakistan.

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Achieved nothing you say. I'm sure the people of Afghanistan would disagree. Those who used to be prevented from even listening to music, or dancing, or watching TV because the Taliban deemed it against the principals of Islam, and those caught doing were stoned.

No, the West has achieved much in Afghanistan, and Iraq, and the West's involvement indirectly led to the Arab Spring revolts of last year that has seen a shift in power across most of the Middle East.

I'm not niave enough to believe the West went into the Middle East on some sort of altruistic humanitarian mission, it was to stabilise the world's oil supply and to counteract Chinese involvement, but it does have the added bonus of planting a good foothold in the Middle East where before we wouldn't have been given the time of day out there, and the knock on effect for Western conglomerates to get out there and generate business has brought huge opportunities.

That's not a waste of time in my book, and I know some will mention the human cost of getting embroiled in Middle Eastern conflicts and to those I can only say that when a soldier joins the Army he knows he may be sent to places to fight and that he may not return. It's a part of his job and he accepts it. Mostly.

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