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By *otwifeandcuck OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

Who has one?

Where's the best place for one? Ankle, boob, pubic or someplace else?

If you have one on the ankle how do you explain it to none players?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get a friend to do it in their kiting room, and if they ask what it means just tell them you really love Motorhead

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

The term is racist. This is widely known, despite what a subset of swingers like to argue.

If, knowing this, you choose to go ahead, you might as well have it tattooed in the middle of your forehead so people who aren’t racist can easily avoid you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The term is racist. This is widely known, despite what a subset of swingers like to argue.

If, knowing this, you choose to go ahead, you might as well have it tattooed in the middle of your forehead so people who aren’t racist can easily avoid you.

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What's racist about an ace of spades tattoo on it's own?

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

Wow. I didn’t realise I’d have to dumb it down this much. Ok. Read it slowly so it’s easy for you to understand.

The word “spade” is a racist word. If you walked up to a group of black people on the street and called them “spades”, it’s likely they’d be pretty pissed off.

OP says they might need to explain the tattoo to non-swingers so I’m assuming they’re wanting it to communicate to swingers that they’re attracted to a hyper-sexualised racist stereotype of black men by using a “spade” symbol.

If the OP is actually a committed card sharp or close up magician and wants the ace of spades tattooed for that reason, or it they’re aware it’s traditionally been considered the playing card that symbolises death and they want a death tattoo, they should still me made aware that “spade” tattoos is used by some racist swingers so they can avoid being thought of as racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That escalated quickly. I think "dumbing it down" hasn't really given a full explanation of why spade was used as a racist term.

So yeah after an early morning browse on the internet the question relates back to the phrase "a spades a spade" which can be found in Dickens novels.. early 19th century there became a Harlem resistance group (African Americans) and they called themselves the spades - assuming they regarded themselves as literal tools during the time.

Then I read on and it mentioned "black as the ace of spades"

And I guess that's where we are - as I didn't know how it relates to swingers either.

Just seemed quite rude that when asking for an explanation there needed to be some kind of "dumbing down" involved. Can't imagine a parent or a teacher starting off like that... Just someone filled with arrogance

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"That escalated quickly. I think "dumbing it down" hasn't really given a full explanation of why spade was used as a racist term.

So yeah after an early morning browse on the internet the question relates back to the phrase "a spades a spade" which can be found in Dickens novels.. early 19th century there became a Harlem resistance group (African Americans) and they called themselves the spades - assuming they regarded themselves as literal tools during the time.

Then I read on and it mentioned "black as the ace of spades"

And I guess that's where we are - as I didn't know how it relates to swingers either.

Just seemed quite rude that when asking for an explanation there needed to be some kind of "dumbing down" involved. Can't imagine a parent or a teacher starting off like that... Just someone filled with arrogance "

Well done googling. If you’d care to do a forum search you’ll see this topic comes up endlessly. To be honest, my heart sinks when I see it.

The word is a racist insult. Words become offensive because of how they’re used and in what context. In the same way we no longer used “coloured” or “spastic” or “bent” or “cripple” or “retard”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

after reading this what initially started to be a good thread, I do think some on here need to get a "snowflake" tattoo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That escalated quickly. I think "dumbing it down" hasn't really given a full explanation of why spade was used as a racist term.

So yeah after an early morning browse on the internet the question relates back to the phrase "a spades a spade" which can be found in Dickens novels.. early 19th century there became a Harlem resistance group (African Americans) and they called themselves the spades - assuming they regarded themselves as literal tools during the time.

Then I read on and it mentioned "black as the ace of spades"

And I guess that's where we are - as I didn't know how it relates to swingers either.

Just seemed quite rude that when asking for an explanation there needed to be some kind of "dumbing down" involved. Can't imagine a parent or a teacher starting off like that... Just someone filled with arrogance

Well done googling. If you’d care to do a forum search you’ll see this topic comes up endlessly. To be honest, my heart sinks when I see it.

The word is a racist insult. Words become offensive because of how they’re used and in what context. In the same way we no longer used “coloured” or “spastic” or “bent” or “cripple” or “retard”.

Like you,ve just done

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"after reading this what initially started to be a good thread, I do think some on here need to get a "snowflake" tattoo."

Excellent rebuttal. You should be a barrister. The way you gathered up evidence and presented a counter argument was inspired.

To paraphrase:

“An ace of spades tattoo is racist when used to communicate a preference for a stereotypical hyper-sexualised characterisation of black men”.

“Erm... you’re a snowflake”

Awesome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"after reading this what initially started to be a good thread, I do think some on here need to get a "snowflake" tattoo."

Sorry but saying that it's not OK to call black people spades really isn't being a snowflake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its not an argument lady, its simply a statement, my view,

last comment here, as this thread is ruined by the above pathetic comments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a Queen of Spades tattoo on my ankle, and was married to a man who wasn’t white. Racist? Hmmm. Go figure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"after reading this what initially started to be a good thread, I do think some on here need to get a "snowflake" tattoo."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow. So you guys really are genuinely fine with calling black people spades?

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Wow. So you guys really are genuinely fine with calling black people spades? "

Seems they are. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This topic is agressive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never knew the term “call a spade a spade” was racist until I I used it to describe my forthright manner in a group of friends; half of whom were black.

I grew up in a household where you stood up to racism, so couldn’t believe I had said such a thing

Therm term doesn’t sit well with me, but if others don’t take offence then so be it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Well done googling. If you’d care to do a forum search you’ll see this topic comes up endlessly. To be honest, my heart sinks when I see it.

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Thanks I do pride myself on internet usage. It's clearly a soft topic for you - which can only be the reason for your arrogant tone. If only you'd have approached the topic a bit lighter and informative then you wouldn't have come across like a bitchy school girl filled with angst. It's a shame to see a lady of your age talking to people like that. Enjoy your Saturday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Call a spade a spade ISN'T racist. Spade refers to a black card suit.

Whoever commented about dumbing down, clearly wasn't enough, was it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade?t=1580540070280

Here's my source for anyone that's interested in reading outside the forums

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


" Well done googling. If you’d care to do a forum search you’ll see this topic comes up endlessly. To be honest, my heart sinks when I see it.

Thanks I do pride myself on internet usage. It's clearly a soft topic for you - which can only be the reason for your arrogant tone. If only you'd have approached the topic a bit lighter and informative then you wouldn't have come across like a bitchy school girl filled with angst. It's a shame to see a lady of your age talking to people like that. Enjoy your Saturday"

I didn’t explain racism to the racists in a nice ladylike tone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Well done googling. If you’d care to do a forum search you’ll see this topic comes up endlessly. To be honest, my heart sinks when I see it.

Thanks I do pride myself on internet usage. It's clearly a soft topic for you - which can only be the reason for your arrogant tone. If only you'd have approached the topic a bit lighter and informative then you wouldn't have come across like a bitchy school girl filled with angst. It's a shame to see a lady of your age talking to people like that. Enjoy your Saturday"

Ok kween you know, using antiquated racial slurs isn't really a topic for lighthearted conversation, is it? It says a lot to me that this bothers you more than the racism. Have a think about why.

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By *otwifeandcuck OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool


"The term is racist. This is widely known, despite what a subset of swingers like to argue.

If, knowing this, you choose to go ahead, you might as well have it tattooed in the middle of your forehead so people who aren’t racist can easily avoid you.

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Oh right never heard this before

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By *mberWoman
over a year ago

Preston


"I never knew the term “call a spade a spade” was racist until I I used it to describe my forthright manner in a group of friends; half of whom were black.

I grew up in a household where you stood up to racism, so couldn’t believe I had said such a thing

Therm term doesn’t sit well with me, but if others don’t take offence then so be it"

Well, I didn't know it was until about 30 seconds ago. It doesn't make me racist. It means I didn't know.

I'm sure there are lots of phrases in common parlance that we use that others find offensive. But unless someone explains them to us then we are unaware.

I don't think someone asking for an explanation needs something 'dumbing down' it's OK not to know things. It's good to be aware of gaps in our knowledge. It's not OK to know yet to continue to use it.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Poor guy was only asking about a tattoo lol Jesus calm down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No for the people who were unsure as to why it was racist. I couldn't care less anymore I don't have tattoos or intentions. Especially themed gimmicky crappy little signs to start mind numbing conversations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mrs T eloquently explains the issue with the tattoo, and I can see that it can be problematic, however if it is the “accepted” symbol of someone who has a preference for black lovers, and it used as an identifier by both sides, how can a new symbol be adopted to replace it that everyone interested can recognise?

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By *ifty grades of shadyCouple
over a year ago

Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight


"I never knew the term “call a spade a spade” was racist until I I used it to describe my forthright manner in a group of friends; half of whom were black.

I grew up in a household where you stood up to racism, so couldn’t believe I had said such a thing

Therm term doesn’t sit well with me, but if others don’t take offence then so be it"

It isn't. Calling a spade a spade, is about not giving into rhetoric and calling out on something for what it is.

If you think someone is a bad 'un, you say so and not hide behind weasel words. You won't be say instead, I think you could be more tolerant, you just speak as you find and say they are a bad' un.

Ace of spades is different to queen of spades too. The latter suggests that they are into black men, but ultimately will have their own interpretation of what it means to them. Ace of spades is more of being the top of the pack, top trump, the bees knees. And a bloody good song

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

Fine. For anyone who genuinely didn’t know, now you do. The topic comes up at least weekly on here. I was having this same discussion just yesterday.

But - if you genuinely didn’t know, that’s fine. I’ll explain.

Spade is a racist term. It’s used as an insult against black people.

Also, black people are “hypersexualised” as a stereotype. It goes back to slavery when black men were spoken of as animalistic, with wild, uncontrollable sexual urges. It’s easier to sell someone if you’ve dehumanised them first.

These stereotypes persist. Talking of black men as “BBCs” stems from this. “We need some BBCs to come to the party”.

So, for people who genuinely didn’t know, fair enough, now you do.

Anyone getting an ace of spades or queen of spades tattoo on the swinging scene is likely to be aware of the connotations. If they aren’t, they should be.

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By *otwifeandcuck OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

Wow wrote this fell asleep woke up and I'm now racist

I just thought the queen of spades was a playing card symbol used to signal a lady likes to fuck other men.

Now I've been informed its a racist term and some gang may slaughter me for having one on my vagina I'll pass.

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By *rsTrellisWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Mrs T eloquently explains the issue with the tattoo, and I can see that it can be problematic, however if it is the “accepted” symbol of someone who has a preference for black lovers, and it used as an identifier by both sides, how can a new symbol be adopted to replace it that everyone interested can recognise? "

I wish there was a tattoo for “I prefer to fuck Guardian readers”.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Not sure I understand what it is fully but if it’s some kind of tramp stamp for ladies then surely it has to be on bottom of your back ? That’s where they usually have them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't understand why you can't express a preference for afro carribbean men without using racist names.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

You have your own very strong opinion on the matter one which u shouldn't be forcing on others i may add , have a browser or type bbc in the user name search and you will find hundreds of profiles rhe term may be racists to some and not to others.


"Fine. For anyone who genuinely didn’t know, now you do. The topic comes up at least weekly on here. I was having this same discussion just yesterday.

But - if you genuinely didn’t know, that’s fine. I’ll explain.

Spade is a racist term. It’s used as an insult against black people.

Also, black people are “hypersexualised” as a stereotype. It goes back to slavery when black men were spoken of as animalistic, with wild, uncontrollable sexual urges. It’s easier to sell someone if you’ve dehumanised them first.

These stereotypes persist. Talking of black men as “BBCs” stems from this. “We need some BBCs to come to the party”.

So, for people who genuinely didn’t know, fair enough, now you do.

Anyone getting an ace of spades or queen of spades tattoo on the swinging scene is likely to be aware of the connotations. If they aren’t, they should be. "

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By *ifty grades of shadyCouple
over a year ago

Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight


"Mrs T eloquently explains the issue with the tattoo, and I can see that it can be problematic, however if it is the “accepted” symbol of someone who has a preference for black lovers, and it used as an identifier by both sides, how can a new symbol be adopted to replace it that everyone interested can recognise?

I wish there was a tattoo for “I prefer to fuck Guardian readers”.

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that IS a snowflake tattoo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wow wrote this fell asleep woke up and I'm now racist

I just thought the queen of spades was a playing card symbol used to signal a lady likes to fuck other men.

Now I've been informed its a racist term and some gang may slaughter me for having one on my vagina I'll pass. "

How dare you fall asleep & cause a shitstorm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, it's racist. Just because some people don't care or use it anyway it doesn't stop it being racist. I kind of feel like I'm explaining that water is wet? It's not OK to call a black person a spade. I just don't know how else to say something that's just so fundamentally obvious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wow wrote this fell asleep woke up and I'm now racist

I just thought the queen of spades was a playing card symbol used to signal a lady likes to fuck other men.

Now I've been informed its a racist term and some gang may slaughter me for having one on my vagina I'll pass.

How dare you fall asleep & cause a shitstorm "

Or is it a snowstorm

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Of which im sure they will tell you and be able to voice their Own opinion. Just like the music industry how many black ir afro Caribbean song writers and music artists sing songs containing the N word or great themself with the same word ? Just a thought you shouldn't speak for others onky yourself and when you do respect others views i dont find rhe term "calling a space a spade a racist term at all and know anyone who does until i read this

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

no one called a black person a spade lol they asked about the idea of a tattoo u interpreted

That as then been racist


"No, it's racist. Just because some people don't care or use it anyway it doesn't stop it being racist. I kind of feel like I'm explaining that water is wet? It's not OK to call a black person a spade. I just don't know how else to say something that's just so fundamentally obvious. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who has one?

Where's the best place for one? Ankle, boob, pubic or someplace else?

If you have one on the ankle how do you explain it to none players? "
just say you're a big fan of motorhead

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"no one called a black person a spade lol they asked about the idea of a tattoo u interpreted

That as then been racist

No, it's racist. Just because some people don't care or use it anyway it doesn't stop it being racist. I kind of feel like I'm explaining that water is wet? It's not OK to call a black person a spade. I just don't know how else to say something that's just so fundamentally obvious.

Although all the aggression and drama on here is ridiculous you are wrong....the word spade has historically been used to describe black people. 'black as the ace of spades' for example. No one said it had been used on this thread, they are explaining that it has been used in the past as a derogatory term.

Also, the use of an ace of spades tattoo is used by some to indicate that they are into fucking black guys. Not all tattoos are innocent ink markings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone's been dramatic or aggressive, but then I guess that's subjective.

Piers Morgan chose to make a point about a m_mber of the British royal family advertising milk in China by ridiculing the Chinese language. He could have made the point perfectly well without doing that but he chose to do it anyway.

It's quite possible to have a preference for black men and to express that and attract them without using terms like BBC and spade. I've seen people do it. What bothers me is why people are so defensive about using racist terms as though they're somehow being curtailed or being denied their right to a preference. I can't think of any legitimate reason why you would do that. Why would you want to insist on being allowed to refer to black people as spades? How is that expressing a preference when you can do that perfectly well without using any racial slurs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think anyone's been dramatic or aggressive, but then I guess that's subjective.

Piers Morgan chose to make a point about a m_mber of the British royal family advertising milk in China by ridiculing the Chinese language. He could have made the point perfectly well without doing that but he chose to do it anyway.

It's quite possible to have a preference for black men and to express that and attract them without using terms like BBC and spade. I've seen people do it. What bothers me is why people are so defensive about using racist terms as though they're somehow being curtailed or being denied their right to a preference. I can't think of any legitimate reason why you would do that. Why would you want to insist on being allowed to refer to black people as spades? How is that expressing a preference when you can do that perfectly well without using any racial slurs? "

As long as your not saying anything about baby milk in china..

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By *otwifeandcuck OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

Bloody hell wish I'd never asked... Anyway of closing threads before the limit is reached or deleting them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think anyone's been dramatic or aggressive, but then I guess that's subjective.

Piers Morgan chose to make a point about a m_mber of the British royal family advertising milk in China by ridiculing the Chinese language. He could have made the point perfectly well without doing that but he chose to do it anyway.

It's quite possible to have a preference for black men and to express that and attract them without using terms like BBC and spade. I've seen people do it. What bothers me is why people are so defensive about using racist terms as though they're somehow being curtailed or being denied their right to a preference. I can't think of any legitimate reason why you would do that. Why would you want to insist on being allowed to refer to black people as spades? How is that expressing a preference when you can do that perfectly well without using any racial slurs?

As long as your not saying anything about baby milk in china.."

No it was just an example of completely unnecessary racism which is what I see this as. Fuck who you want. Just don't use horrible names associated with a time when black people were treated in a shameful, disgusting way that we have a duty to make sure stays in the past. Since Brexit a lot of black people who've lived here fifty years or more say they're now hearing racist terms again that they haven't heard since the seventies. That's fucking shameful. It's disgusting, it's sick and its heartbreaking. And sorry if you think me and Mrs T are being dramatic and aggressive or snowflakes. I can't speak for her but I want this place to be somewhere free of that shit. Can't people join an EDL group or something if they want to call non English people names? And just leave this place as somewhere where it doesn't happen?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

I always thought that the tattoo a lady had to show she preferred black guys was Queen of Spades.

Ace of Spades just doesn't seem to make sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To all my english friends & i have a lot. Im scottish & proud of it. Dont ever call us jocks again. Its racist..

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

From Tatring:

Meanings

Rem_mber that the ace of spades tattoo can represent both positive and negative attributes. Though, in the end, it really will only represent what you decide it does. Below, you'll find some different meanings this symbol is meant to embody:

good luck

prosperity

gambling

power

death

good fortune

chance

toughness

fearless

wealth

No mention of shagging black guys

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By *otwifeandcuck OP   Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool


"I always thought that the tattoo a lady had to show she preferred black guys was Queen of Spades.

Ace of Spades just doesn't seem to make sense."

Yeah a bit of a blonde (I am blonde before all the sexist comments start) moment from me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To all my english friends & i have a lot. Im scottish & proud of it. Dont ever call us jocks again. Its racist.. "

Erm, I don't. I'm aware of a number of offensive, unpleasant terms for Scots people and I'd never use one to you. I have more respect than that. Is that OK, ma wee hen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To all my english friends & i have a lot. Im scottish & proud of it. Dont ever call us jocks again. Its racist.. "
aye ya sassenachs

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I just thought it was a playing card, no more, no less

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just thought it was a playing card, no more, no less "
lol its just another label why are some people so transfixed by labels? Is it a sense of belonging

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By *spotpleasurerMan
over a year ago

Norwich

It would never occur to me to consider a spade tattoo racist. But then, racism is often defined by majority white people who have never experienced it.

There are plenty of profiles here that say 'white people only' should they be lynch mobbed? My favourites are the ones that go on to say 'we're not racist, just our preference' when the preference is clearly racist! My prize winner is one that says 'White English only, no foreigners' that manages to insult both English and foreigners!

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

The term spade a spade can we still say that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats ace

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Preferences are fine. Expressing them using racist terms isn't. As Fabio has said, try calling the next black person you meet a spade and see how you get on.

I'm white English, I happen to have grown up in a place where that made me a minority. I started school in 1974 in a class of 30 kids where nine of us were white English. I do object to being thought of as a snowflakey guardian reading white person who's trying to tell anyone of any race how they should feel and what they should be offended by. I grew up with my eyes and ears open and what I think is based on what I saw and heard. I'm not sitting in a white bubble talking about a world I've never experienced. That IS my world. I grew up a petrol bomb's throw from Tottenham in the seventies and eighties. Anyone who had would baulk at the term spade which was current as a racial slur at the time. I don't want to be reminded of that time, it's gone, we've moved on. And that includes the language of the time. It belongs to a different era and needs to be left there. Please. Cos it was fucking shit.

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over a year ago


"Mrs T eloquently explains the issue with the tattoo, and I can see that it can be problematic, however if it is the “accepted” symbol of someone who has a preference for black lovers, and it used as an identifier by both sides, how can a new symbol be adopted to replace it that everyone interested can recognise?

I wish there was a tattoo for “I prefer to fuck Guardian readers”.

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Guardian readers?

Pervert!

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Get of your high horse jesus not been funny but i havent seen one single black or other ethnicic man or female comment on this post to say their

Offended jesus it's a tattoo of u want it go get it !!
"Preferences are fine. Expressing them using racist terms isn't. As Fabio has said, try calling the next black person you meet a spade and see how you get on.

I'm white English, I happen to have grown up in a place where that made me a minority. I started school in 1974 in a class of 30 kids where nine of us were white English. I do object to being thought of as a snowflakey guardian reading white person who's trying to tell anyone of any race how they should feel and what they should be offended by. I grew up with my eyes and ears open and what I think is based on what I saw and heard. I'm not sitting in a white bubble talking about a world I've never experienced. That IS my world. I grew up a petrol bomb's throw from Tottenham in the seventies and eighties. Anyone who had would baulk at the term spade which was current as a racial slur at the time. I don't want to be reminded of that time, it's gone, we've moved on. And that includes the language of the time. It belongs to a different era and needs to be left there. Please. Cos it was fucking shit. "

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"I just thought it was a playing card, no more, no less lol its just another label why are some people so transfixed by labels? Is it a sense of belonging "

I don't know

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

You are the one who started to day calling a spade a spade was racist no onr had even mentikned3 the quote , they asked about ideas of a ace pf spade tattoo and u turned it into a huge racism !

Bore off

Row
"Preferences are fine. Expressing them using racist terms isn't. As Fabio has said, try calling the next black person you meet a spade and see how you get on.

I'm white English, I happen to have grown up in a place where that made me a minority. I started school in 1974 in a class of 30 kids where nine of us were white English. I do object to being thought of as a snowflakey guardian reading white person who's trying to tell anyone of any race how they should feel and what they should be offended by. I grew up with my eyes and ears open and what I think is based on what I saw and heard. I'm not sitting in a white bubble talking about a world I've never experienced. That IS my world. I grew up a petrol bomb's throw from Tottenham in the seventies and eighties. Anyone who had would baulk at the term spade which was current as a racial slur at the time. I don't want to be reminded of that time, it's gone, we've moved on. And that includes the language of the time. It belongs to a different era and needs to be left there. Please. Cos it was fucking shit. "

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By *ailorjerry_1rnMan
over a year ago

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over a year ago


"You are the one who started to day calling a spade a spade was racist no onr had even mentikned3 the quote , they asked about ideas of a ace pf spade tattoo and u turned it into a huge racism !

Bore off

Row "

I said the opposite of that. I said calling a spade a spade WASN'T racist. But don't let facts get in the way of abusing someone who says something you don't like.

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over a year ago


"Call a spade a spade ISN'T racist. Spade refers to a black card suit.

Whoever commented about dumbing down, clearly wasn't enough, was it? "

My post from early. You seem confused and cross so I thought I'd try and help. Read each word slowly and think about it.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Nothing todo eith abusing you but for the last god knowa how long all u have gone on about is how a tattoo is this that and the other .you find it offensive fine thats individual tp you dont force others to feel the same way

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

My apologies


"Call a spade a spade ISN'T racist. Spade refers to a black card suit.

Whoever commented about dumbing down, clearly wasn't enough, was it?

My post from early. You seem confused and cross so I thought I'd try and help. Read each word slowly and think about it. "

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

Here was me thinking they liked Motorhead.

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over a year ago


"Nothing todo eith abusing you but for the last god knowa how long all u have gone on about is how a tattoo is this that and the other .you find it offensive fine thats individual tp you dont force others to feel the same way "

I think you're kind of missing the point. But that's OK. I actually haven't mentioned tattoos at all. What I've been talking about is the term spade used to mean a black person. If you have a queen of spades tattoo or you identify on here as a queen of spades without a tattoo both of which represent your taste for black sexual partners then you are referring to black people as spades. With me so far? Cool.

Yeah, it's not OK. It's not OK to use that term to refer to black people. That is the only point I'm making. It's nothing to do with my taste or being offended or forcing people to think anything. It's a self evident truth. It's a racial slur, it's just wrong. I hope that's clear. Sorry if you think it doesn't matter but it does to me. I got into too many fights after hearing my friends called pakis and wogs and coons and yeah, spades. Those days are over because that shit was wrong. OK?

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By *rAitchMan
over a year ago

Diagonally Parked in a Parallel Universe

Here's an ace bit of spade work!

https://youtu.be/-tAEAyHgCec

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting thread, why does this topic consistently get rehashed on this site and why do people get tattoos without researching them first anyways?

I dont think OP meant to cause a storm.

Just research your symbols on Google people, or ask the tattoo artist, the good ones know alot if history behind them!

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Jesus Christ who had called anyone a spade !!!!

stop going on about spades !!!!

The post was about a tattoo !!!!

With me yeah ?

Dont tar everyone with the same we hsve all seen and witnessed racism your not the only one however this thread is NOT racist the only person making it about racism is YOU !!!

Okay that will be my last comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Subjects like this are always going to evoke strong feelings. It'd be good if we could stick to having a balanced exchange without calling names at eachother.

From what I can see, the 'spade' had acquired a racist connotation. This is no different to the swastika (a symbol of peace) being taken over by Nazi/extreme right groups. Most people would avoid that now because of the connotation.

To sum up the discussion so far, not everyone is aware of the symbolism of the 'spade'. It's use is very much about context and purpose. Using it does not necessarily imply racist thinking although it can be used in that way and easily misunderstood.

Anyone using it just needs to be aware of that, especially if tattooing it to their body.

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Amen finally !! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer top trump cards myself, much less controversial

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Amen finally !! X "

Erm, he's saying what I said. Have a good day, don't call black people spades

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chase the ace?

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over a year ago


"I never knew the term “call a spade a spade” was racist until I I used it to describe my forthright manner in a group of friends; half of whom were black.

I grew up in a household where you stood up to racism, so couldn’t believe I had said such a thing

Therm term doesn’t sit well with me, but if others don’t take offence then so be it"

It isn't racist, it dates back centeries. It is simply a way of saying things as they are and directly. Not surprisingly it has a horticultural origin, not racial.

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over a year ago


"I never knew the term “call a spade a spade” was racist until I I used it to describe my forthright manner in a group of friends; half of whom were black.

I grew up in a household where you stood up to racism, so couldn’t believe I had said such a thing

Therm term doesn’t sit well with me, but if others don’t take offence then so be it

It isn't racist, it dates back centeries. It is simply a way of saying things as they are and directly. Not surprisingly it has a horticultural origin, not racial."

As opposed to a shovel which is different, there's a curvature to the blade and its designed for lifting rather than digging

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By *arentsgonebadCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Oh my days lol for the 10 thousands time nobody bar YOU has called a black person or insinuated that a black person is a spade !!!!!!

Bore of seriously


"Amen finally !! X

Erm, he's saying what I said. Have a good day, don't call black people spades "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as a child I always used to tell my parents off if they said whilst on a beach ‘would you like to play with the bucket and spade?’

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over a year ago


"Oh my days lol for the 10 thousands time nobody bar YOU has called a black person or insinuated that a black person is a spade !!!!!!

Bore of seriously

Amen finally !! X

Erm, he's saying what I said. Have a good day, don't call black people spades "

don't call anyone a spade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why folk cant just say they have a preference for shagging black men is beyond me. It simple direct and none offensive.

Attend events where there are a higher percentage of black guys? Express it on your profile. Resorting to outdated degrading tattoos is unnecessary.

Maybe a new identification method could be invented if people really desperately want to be identified as black male lovers....wear green shoes or carry a purple handbag for example.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"Wear green shoes or carry a purple handbag for example. "

People would think you were a Tinkywinky lover.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Wear green shoes or carry a purple handbag for example.

People would think you were a Tinkywinky lover. "

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