FabSwingers.com forum: kids bunk school mums do jail

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hi a friend of mine has just had a summons to attend court for her daughter bunking of school. My friend has done everything she can to get her to attend school short of dragging her there wich she cant as she has a younger son with adhd who she has to take to primary school while daughter attends secondary.

Even if she could drag her daughter to school well that would amount to assualt and she cant as the daughter is as tall and stong as she is ..after years of being passed from pillar to post she has finally recieved the diagnosis that her son has in fact got adhd ...the daughter has said its just a joke her mum wont really go to jail..even after reading the summons. After continued threats of imprisonment my friend is at the point of a breakdown.

How does threatening mums with jail help get daughters that simply dont wanna go to school ..go to school. How does punishing the mum and not the daughter whose commiting the offence show the daughter that you have to be responsible for your actions simply makes her think ah well itsnot me being threatened with jail if anybody has ever been in situation where there kids bunking school for no good reason other than its boring can help would be appreciated also any help on suing the welfareand powers that be for doing sweet fa in helping in getting the adhd diagnosis would also be appreciated.

They say they wanna help but all they ever did was send her letters with threats of huge fines and imprisonment

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"Hi a friend of mine has just had a summons to attend court for her daughter bunking of school. My friend has done everything she can to get her to attend school short of dragging her there wich she cant as she has a younger son with adhd who she has to take to primary school while daughter attends secondary.

They say they wanna help but all they ever did was send her letters with threats of huge fines and imprisonment

One of my nephews did similar, got rather embrassing for him to have his uncle sat in every class for a week never did it again. He did mention about his rights, the reply given back was with rights comes responsibility.

I feel sorry for your friend tell her to talk to school welfare officer to try and get help good luck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very much doubt they are bunking school for no reason. Bullying, struggling with certain topics etc etc. .... They need to find what's wrong before they can fix it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason the parents are threatened with jail is because her daughter is a child and therefore is the parents responsibility.

Now i do not know the in's and out's of your friends situation nor do i know the system which leads to jail.

but

I would think jail is a last resort and a Education Welfare Officer will be involved and this is who your friend needs to be working with to sort out the problem.

Kat x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly they can and do put mums in jail over this and I've found that as a parent it can be very frustrating.

Look up local parent alliance as they are good... School welfare I'd imagine are already involved... I've got the opposite issue. Pulled my son out of his local school after a incident that was unacceptable and education board have not placed him in a new school yet... So having to be home schooled. 3 months he has been home for... And I'm taking education board to court for falling to provide... So can work both ways.

And sadly if court summons is given then its quite late on and they should have already have been looking at reasons why etc.

Cali

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Very much doubt they are bunking school for no reason. Bullying, struggling with certain topics etc etc. .... They need to find what's wrong before they can fix it. "

What about just not liking school.

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By *ove bi guysWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

Your friend needs to speak to the education welfare officer attached to the school as well as the schools head of pastoral care.

The situation needs addressing asap. Now your friends son has got his diagnosis maybe his school can offers assistance in getting him to school while we the situation while your friends sorts her daughter out.

If need be your friend will have to walk her daughter into school and get a receipt from reception to say she is in school. Its an unfortunate situation but children missing school are more likely to unders achieve, find themselves in trouble or in situations where they are vunerable or at risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you dont improve childrens situation in life by throwing their pearents in Goal . Chilip school some more than others. Some will be because they have issues with school and they are the most vounerable in our society , putting their Mams in goal wil not improve their bunking off. You will only isolate the child more by putting them in care

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I truly despair at the attitude of some parents these days who are quick to pass of their lack of parenting skills as ADHD on the part of the child.

A child will always take a mile if you give it an inch and the rot sets in at a very early age, so by the time it's reached the level that OP has described there is not much that can be done to reverse the situation short of frog-marching the child to school and sitting with it all day long and then frog-marching him/her home again.

It amazes me that one has to pass a test to drive a car but to raise children all you have to do is have sex and then you are let loose with an apprentice human being.

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know of a case where parent was taking the child to school and child was leaving after that... Her mum still went to jail for it..

It is not something I agree with but it is also a last resort.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry wishy but you obviously have no experience of adhd... It is something that is a genuine problem however many people are quick to blame it for issues.

I took my child to school and sat with him.. And till he was diagnosed and the school had funds for the support he needed...I stayed in his class with him...

I don't think unless you have a child with one of these conditions you can comment... And not all parents just say.. oh he has a condition.. the behaviour is acceptable.

Cali

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I truly despair at the attitude of some parents these days who are quick to pass of their lack of parenting skills as ADHD on the part of the child.

It amazes me that one has to pass a test to drive a car but to raise children all you have to do is have sex and then you are let loose with an apprentice human being.

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care."

I agree with you Wishy, I daresay there are some genuine cases but I too feel lack of parenting skills are yo blame.

I notice how quickly suing the authorities is mentioned.

Some kids don't like school and if they see their parents getting by on benefits (not saying op's friend is), where is the motivation to better themselves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i had similar probs as a kid. bunked off and was assigned a social worker

she was a bitch and just threatened to have my mum in court and jailed if i didnt go to school

made me feel like total shit for doing it but i had my issues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Very much doubt they are bunking school for no reason. Bullying, struggling with certain topics etc etc. .... They need to find what's wrong before they can fix it.

What about just not liking school."

Then tough! Its the law and for their own good. Other arrangements need to be put in place, I'd expect the threat of their mother being taken away would be enough to give most the fright of there lives. Still usually a reason why they don't like school and that needs addressed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never heard of ADHD when I was young or when we were raising our kids.

Parents can't use physical means to disapline their kids now, so parenting skills or rather the lack of them is more visable now.

I'm sure some children do have issues that will influence how they react to authority, but it's easy these days to lay the blame elsewhere.

Children should have two parents, and really need guidance from both. Disapline normally comes from Dad and when a Dad is missing from a family group, the children will always jostle for position in the pack.

It's nature, and we only really need to look at how the animal kingdom deals with unruly off spring. They know how to do it, but more importantly, so do we, but people keep telling us we mustn't do it that way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i had similar probs as a kid. bunked off and was assigned a social worker

she was a bitch and just threatened to have my mum in court and jailed if i didnt go to school

made me feel like total shit for doing it but i had my issues"

Exactly! I'm sure if your issues were addressed you would have been a model pupil, as you are an adult

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I notice how quickly suing the authorities is mentioned.

Some kids don't like school and if they see their parents getting by on benefits (not saying op's friend is), where is the motivation to better themselves?"

I'm suing the authorities after an incident at my sons school left me no alternative but to remove him from the school. Due to him being year 6 all my local schools are saying they are full... So I've been stuck with no education other than what I have provided.... So after 3 months of being told that there are no spaces I am taking them to court for failure to provide... I'm hoping it leads to the school place my son is legally entitled too...

Adhd is actually exceptionally hard to get diagnosed for... And takes extensive assessments... So if I child is diagnosed then its not going to be down to poor parenting.. and actually can be down to chemical imbalances.

I feel sorry for parents with genuine cases of this... As to those outside in can just seem You have no control over your child... When its often not the case.

To the op do contact the parents alliance... And get the local Mp involved... Ask school about a managed move... As if It's bullying this can help.

Cali

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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I agreed you should have removed it

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Very much doubt they are bunking school for no reason. Bullying, struggling with certain topics etc etc. .... They need to find what's wrong before they can fix it.

What about just not liking school.

What I meant was, you were making up all sorts of reasons of why the child was bunking school....I said what about the reason being that they just hated school.

I wasn't saying they shouldn't go

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I agreed you should have removed it

I quoted the wrong post lol hawkeye

But yes, I wagged school when I was a teenager as I hated the pigging thing !

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think unless you have a child with one of these conditions you can comment... And not all parents just say.. oh he has a condition.. the behaviour is acceptable.

Cali "

A lot of parents do though, usually Miss Chav, 19, with three kids by three different fathers, who never grew up before reproducing carbon copies of her absent of parental control self.

And so the govt 'create' a disease, allocate funds to deal with it, and hey presto, we have kids who should have been disciplined by their parents but can now act like little monsters and get away with it because they have 'ADHD'.

Like Jack said above, when I was a child ADHD hadn't been invented yet, and unruly children were occupied so much that by the time it was time for bed they were so worn out they went to bed and stayed there till 7am. These days some parents don't want to spend that much time with their kids keeping them out of mischief and lo, they become uncontrollable and labelled with ADHD.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

And so the govt 'create' a disease, allocate funds to deal with it,

Which party was in power when the "govt created this disease"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And so the govt 'create' a disease, allocate funds to deal with it,

Which party was in power when the "govt created this disease"?

Whichever one was holding the reigns at the time.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

Actually I have just been diagnosed with ADHD or Attention Deficit Hperactivity Disorder and in my opinion OOh look 3 magpies!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of parents do though, usually Miss Chav, 19, with three kids by three different fathers, who never grew up before reproducing carbon copies of her absent of parental control self.

slightly off topic but that comment pisses me off... so just because a young mum has 3 children by 3 dads means she is incapable of having decent parenting skills?

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

And so the govt 'create' a disease, allocate funds to deal with it,

Which party was in power when the "govt created this disease"?

Whichever one was holding the reigns at the time. "

Okay can I have the year it was "created" then please, I will then be able to see which party it was for myself and won't be voting for them ever again if they "create" diseases"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I truly despair at the attitude of some parents these days who are quick to pass of their lack of parenting skills as ADHD on the part of the child.

It amazes me that one has to pass a test to drive a car but to raise children all you have to do is have sex and then you are let loose with an apprentice human being.

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care."

ADHD or drugging a child to make them behave we never had a problem with ADHD when schools could punish children properly and if your friend has reached the stage were she is bing taken to court then this meens every step has been taken to sort this problem out and she hasnt helped sorry OP but its bad parenting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I disagree with this totally... I was threatened with it.. despite it being school that had my son on half days due to lack of teaching staff... Have had it with my disabled daughter too.. YET I was told that as my children were not attending full time "I" could be taken to court.

Now trust me I would rather my kids had been in school full time. It makes work and normal adult life very hard when your having to do the educating of your children.

Sometimes the authorities do not help. You can go to them a a parent and ask.. and they just don't have the funding or staff to help.. and then these things happen.

It is a final act yes to give the court summons but as in the case of the lady who had been taking her child into school.. and the child had been walking out again after.. IT isnt always the parents fault.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get the kids into care then. That'll teach them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Get the kids into care then. That'll teach them

and that will solve what.????

Kids in care is a horrific experience.. and should only be used if the parents are mistreating the children.

Putting kids into care leads to them normally just becoming products of the system. Nasty things can often happen in childrens home.. and the kids in care are pretty much not bothered about..

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now trust me I would rather my kids had been in school full time. It makes work and normal adult life very hard when your having to do the educating of your children.

Sometimes the authorities do not help. You can go to them a a parent and ask.. and they just don't have the funding or staff to help.. and then these things happen.

Cali "

if the child is being taken into school by the parent and is then walking out its the schools problem not the parents

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By *weet DevilMan
over a year ago

dukinfield

adhd = disability living allowance = more benefits paid out !!!!!!!!!

yes i can see shed loads of new claims

some familys have 4 or 5 kids and lo and behold they all have adhd

and shed loads more benfits

summat wrong somewere !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of parents do though, usually Miss Chav, 19, with three kids by three different fathers, who never grew up before reproducing carbon copies of her absent of parental control self.

slightly off topic but that comment pisses me off... so just because a young mum has 3 children by 3 dads means she is incapable of having decent parenting skills? "

Well she sure doesn't have the skills neccessary to prevent having three children by three different fathers where 99.9% of women manage to prevent that from happening, so yeah, she's certainly suspect in her parenting skills.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if the child is being taken into school by the parent and is then walking out its the schools problem not the parents "

So you would think.. but this mother was prosecuted twice for her daughter not staying in school.. I cant for the life of me remember her name.. but she would take the child to school... and she wouldnt stay in.. but it was the mother not the school prosecuted..

Same with me..I have had children sent home due to lack of teaching staff..( they have special needs) then sent a letter warning me about there part time attendance..

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I truly despair at the attitude of some parents these days who are quick to pass of their lack of parenting skills as ADHD on the part of the child.

It amazes me that one has to pass a test to drive a car but to raise children all you have to do is have sex and then you are let loose with an apprentice human being.

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care.

ADHD = Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder = child does not know how to behave in certain settings appropriate to their age group = disruptive behaviour in the classroom.

Parents and teachers need to work together to sort the problem before it escalates - no child wants to be different and labelled a problem because they dont know how to behave. Parents/Carers/Teachers/Schools are all to blame in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of parents do though, usually Miss Chav, 19, with three kids by three different fathers, who never grew up before reproducing carbon copies of her absent of parental control self.

slightly off topic but that comment pisses me off... so just because a young mum has 3 children by 3 dads means she is incapable of having decent parenting skills?

That is utter tosh..it has no baring on parenting skills whatsoever.

you know if more people stopped stereotyping these poor young women then maybe more would believe in themselves..

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is a final act yes to give the court summons but as in the case of the lady who had been taking her child into school.. and the child had been walking out again after.. IT isnt always the parents fault.

Cali "

My daughter's school lock the gates after 9am. Isn't that common practice these days? Genuine question here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"adhd = disability living allowance = more benefits paid out !!!!!!!!!

yes i can see shed loads of new claims

some familys have 4 or 5 kids and lo and behold they all have adhd

and shed loads more benfits

summat wrong somewere !!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Get the kids into care then. That'll teach them

and that will solve what.????

Kids in care is a horrific experience.. and should only be used if the parents are mistreating the children.

Putting kids into care leads to them normally just becoming products of the system. Nasty things can often happen in childrens home.. and the kids in care are pretty much not bothered about..

Cali "

Put the kids in care for 3 weeks and Mum in a minimus securty open prison, scare the crap out of the kids and make them behave in future, whilst giving the mum a bit of R&R sorted!

Pointless debating when only half the story is known, but the social care system is there for parents who can't cope, and it looks like this is one who can't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you know if more people stopped stereotyping these poor young women then maybe more would believe in themselves..

Cali "

Maybe if they learned to close their legs, or take preventative measures to stop falling pregnant they wouldn't be stereotyped in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you know if more people stopped stereotyping these poor young women then maybe more would believe in themselves..

Cali

Maybe if they learned to close their legs, or take preventative measures to stop falling pregnant they wouldn't be stereotyped in the first place.

Or maybe if their PARENTS educated them they wouldn't have so many kids by as many fathers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Get the kids into care then. That'll teach them

and that will solve what.????

Kids in care is a horrific experience.. and should only be used if the parents are mistreating the children.

Putting kids into care leads to them normally just becoming products of the system. Nasty things can often happen in childrens home.. and the kids in care are pretty much not bothered about..

Cali "

Well when the parent can not be responsible for keeping them in school a month in care might be the boot up the arse the kid needs. Why should the parent be punished if they have tried everything they can? Kids usually just get away with anything nowadays because they can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you know if more people stopped stereotyping these poor young women then maybe more would believe in themselves..

Cali

Maybe if they learned to close their legs, or take preventative measures to stop falling pregnant they wouldn't be stereotyped in the first place.

what about the men who slept with the girl? where is there share of the 'blame'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you know if more people stopped stereotyping these poor young women then maybe more would believe in themselves..

Cali

Maybe if they learned to close their legs, or take preventative measures to stop falling pregnant they wouldn't be stereotyped in the first place.

what about the men who slept with the girl? where is there share of the 'blame'? "

maybe if they were better educated they would no if you walk into your local G.U.M clinic you get condoms for free

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or maybe if their PARENTS educated them they wouldn't have so many kids by as many fathers.

Dont you have kids with 2 different women??? so whats that saying about your parents wishy??

Its about the individuals parenting skills not how a child was brought into the world or their parents individual circumstances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"adhd = disability living allowance = more benefits paid out !!!!!!!!!

yes i can see shed loads of new claims

some familys have 4 or 5 kids and lo and behold they all have adhd

and shed loads more benfits

summat wrong somewere !!"

Most children with ADHD do not qualify for DLA...its hard enough to get it for a child when they have something like downs syndrome ( I Know this from personal experience)

Amazing how people are so quick to judge. I know a lady with 6 kids.. her first 3.. she just thought she was a bad parent... she did everything for her kids.. liased with all the staff and school etc.. but they just had problems..

Her last 1 has been diagnosed with ADHD.... and she has now realised that perhaps the others did too..

She is not a single parent.. she has been with her husband since she was 13... they both work, and she is a nurse.

Yet you know I have seen people comment about how she must be a dole scrounger with all them kids and comment behind her back...

Yes I wont say that some people dont.. but thats like the people that dont want to work, rather than those that genuinely do but currently cant..

Until my son was diagnosed with ADHD and bi polar disorder.. I was sceptical of ADHD.... even after studying it at uni... Yet my girls are all no problem at all.. I think that good parenting can help.. but it wont stop adhd... and for those parents with children that suffer with it.. it can be a total nightmare... As people will point the finger at you.. as a bad parent. Not perhaps understanding the hours upon hours spent working on behavioural practises.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter's school lock the gates after 9am. Isn't that common practice these days? Genuine question here."

Not at any of the schools my kids have been too..

Nursery schools yes.. secondary schools no.. Its a problem for me as my disabled daughter has a habit of escaping from her TA... and rarely goes off site.. but normally hides..

For her junior school I had to do a 12 mile a trip school run just so she was in a secure school

And yes I could have sent her to special school but I didnt want her at a special school

she has been mainstreamed all her educational life.. and is now doing well in school.

Cali

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By *heekychezzaWoman
over a year ago

warrington

To the op - for the situation to get to the point where a court summons has been issued an education welfare officer/school social worker will have been involved for a considerable time. It is the parents responsibility to ensure their children attend school and if your friend had really done everything she could to meet that responsibility it is unlikely she would be facing a court appearance.

I was employed as an Education Welfare Officer with the local council and taking parents to court because of their child's non-attendance was always the last option to be considered.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"Sadly they can and do put mums in jail over this and I've found that as a parent it can be very frustrating.

And sadly if court summons is given then its quite late on and they should have already have been looking at reasons why etc.

Cali "

Education board?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To the op - for the situation to get to the point where a court summons has been issued an education welfare officer/school social worker will have been involved for a considerable time. It is the parents responsibility to ensure their children attend school and if your friend had really done everything she could to meet that responsibility it is unlikely she would be facing a court appearance.

I was employed as an Education Welfare Officer with the local council and taking parents to court because of their child's non-attendance was always the last option to be considered."

It is not always the case.. As I say.. I was actually told that the next stage was court summons.. and it had been school not me refusing to have the children in.... ( due to special needs and not having staff to cover their needs)

So all I did was REFUSE to have the children home on the days that they didn't have the cover.

And my son has been home from school for three months and I have yet to have one visit from school welfare..

It should work how you say.. but it often does not.

Oh and social care are not worth the name.. as they are only interested when there is a cute little baby they could rehome. ( Yes I say this from having asked them to help repeatedly in the past.. only to be told I am capable)

Cali

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"Get the kids into care then. That'll teach them

and that will solve what.????

Kids in care is a horrific experience.. and should only be used if the parents are mistreating the children.

Putting kids into care leads to them normally just becoming products of the system. Nasty things can often happen in childrens home.. and the kids in care are pretty much not bothered about..

Cali

We don't have enough good quality care places to do as you describe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jail the mother!!!

Give her a break from the fucking brat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sadly they can and do put mums in jail over this and I've found that as a parent it can be very frustrating.

And sadly if court summons is given then its quite late on and they should have already have been looking at reasons why etc.

Cali

Education board?"

involved within an hour of pulling my son from school..

cali

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

They say they wanna help but all they ever did was send her letters with threats of huge fines and imprisonment

I've done my best to understand your post; there are whole chunks of it that I can't understand.

The assumption that a use of reasonable force by a parent is automatically assault is strong evidence for not believing all you read on the internet. It's not automatically assault, and you and your friend, int his instance, don't know what you're on about.

A parent will only be imprisoned over the truancy of a child if the parent is judged not to have made all reasonable efforts to get the child to school. Again, either you or your friend appear ill-informed about this. Sometimes, to quote a social worker I know, it seems as if we're threatening to imprison parents for not opening all the other letters they've been sent, but sometimes that's how it is.

As for you your friend needing help in 'suing the welfare and the powers that be', frankly, that's good evidence for the proposition that your friend is part of the problem, not seeking a solution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Never heard of ADHD when I was young or when we were raising our kids.

Parents can't use physical means to disapline their kids now, so parenting skills or rather the lack of them is more visable now.

I'm sure some children do have issues that will influence how they react to authority, but it's easy these days to lay the blame elsewhere.

Coming from a single parent family, I can tell you that my mother had no problem letting me know that she is law. lol! There were a lot of strong female figures in my life growing up so for me it's simply a case of parenting. Gender can be a factor but it's about the individual.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"Sadly they can and do put mums in jail over this and I've found that as a parent it can be very frustrating.

And sadly if court summons is given then its quite late on and they should have already have been looking at reasons why etc.

Cali

Education board?

involved within an hour of pulling my son from school..

cali "
Sorry - I didn't recognise 'education board' - do yo mean the lEA?

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By *heekychezzaWoman
over a year ago

warrington

I was employed as an Education Welfare Officer with the local council and taking parents to court because of their child's non-attendance was always the last option to be considered.

So all I did was REFUSE to have the children home on the days that they didn't have the cover.

And my son has been home from school for three months and I have yet to have one visit from school welfare..

It should work how you say.. but it often does not.

Cali "

I was addressing the issue of truancy Cali. The op's story is about the older child who is truanting rather than the younger one who has the ADHD diagnosis.

From experience I know children truant for many reasons, quite a few have already been mentioned, and in a lot of cases it is possible to address the causes with co-operation of parents, school, EWO's and the child, and get the child back into regular attendance. There are also a lot of cases where the child has been allowed to develop a sense of 'they can do whatever they want and no-one can stop them'....and often this is down to years of poor parenting, where appropriate boundaries are not set . A child who has been brought up with appropriate boundaries rarely turns into an habitual truant.

I certainly am aware that the local authority education departments have failings and when I was working have been involved with situations which may resemble yours and I've been very much in support of parents who have had to fight tooth and nail to get the support their children need. As always, it is very difficult to to make a valid judgement on a situation recounted in these forums because we are only given a brief overview of the situation from one person's point of view.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Very much doubt they are bunking school for no reason. Bullying, struggling with certain topics etc etc. .... They need to find what's wrong before they can fix it.

What about just not liking school."

There are no reasons for bunking school other than " its boring" all issues bullying etc have been addressed...yep welfare have obviously been involved all the way and done fook all in terms of help other than send threatening letters threatening heavy fine and imprisonment. at 14 you think yr adult i remember i did just not so in the eyes of the law

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Your friend needs to speak to the education welfare officer attached to the school as well as the schools head of pastoral care.

vulnerbale at risk ?? its the mum vulnerable and at risk

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Getting children to attend school can be very tricky even with good parenting skills and it does happen in so-called good families. Good communication with the school, local parent groups, GP etc can help and sometimes, as several people have pointed out, it requires to look at issues like bullying before anything can really be achieved.

I am however, somewhat surprised that in 2012 some people still deny the existence of ADHD - surely there has been enough psycho education by now to make everybody aware of this cluster of behaviours which is a consequence of chemical differences in the brain, namely dopamine and noradrenaline.

Good parenting can really help ADHD sufferers just as bad parenting might matters worse.

To mock or doubt the existence of this condition, to say they did not exist 30 or more years ago is a bit like saying schizophrenia, autism, bulimia etc do not exist because a few deacdes ago those were not mentioned in the daily papers.

I speak from personal and professional experience btw and I am all too aware of the stigma that sufferers and their carers experience.

This is not to say that some people use the dignosis as an excuse.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

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ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care."

ADHD sufferers and their carers receive, under certain conditions and comorbities, full disability allowance btw.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Very much doubt they are bunking school for no reason. Bullying, struggling with certain topics etc etc. .... They need to find what's wrong before they can fix it.

What about just not liking school.

Btw I do think that actually taking the daughter to school would be an option... I have 4 at school still... And still take them all to school. One has to be handed over to a teacher... Perhaps a few weeks of this would be good.

Along with no school means in room with nothing but a few books.... Treats should be earned not a given right.

14 can be a tough time but we have all been there... It's time to remind a fledgling adult that mum is still in charge.

Cali

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care.

ADHD sufferers and their carers receive, under certain conditions and comorbities, full disability allowance btw. "

Thats a good point ..do you really think governments all over the world would provide funds for educational support if it wasn't a "real Condition" the current government would pull the plug immediately,sometimes ignorance and prejudice surface on the forums,but fortunately rarely so obviously .

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By *heekychezzaWoman
over a year ago

warrington

Along with no school means in room with nothing but a few books.... Treats should be earned not a given right.

14 can be a tough time but we have all been there... It's time to remind a fledgling adult that mum is still in charge.

Cali "

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

14 can be a tough time but we have all been there... It's time to remind a fledgling adult that mum is still in charge.

Cali "

I agree with you there, mine did not bunk and having firm boundaries in place is vital, whether ADHD is present or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My 15 year old doesn't bunk but she tries to pull a sicky on a regular basis... But she knows I'll send her to school and make them aware of her complaints...

And if off school sick they are not allowed tv etc.. just quiet rest lol it tends to mean they only want to stay home when really sick.

To op

Is there a mentoring service nearby.... As that can work wonders...

Cali

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I truly despair at the attitude of some parents these days who are quick to pass of their lack of parenting skills as ADHD on the part of the child.

It amazes me that one has to pass a test to drive a car but to raise children all you have to do is have sex and then you are let loose with an apprentice human being.

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care."

wow what a total ignorant judgemental ill informed post still everyones entitled to there opinion

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My 15 year old doesn't bunk but she tries to pull a sicky on a regular basis... But she knows I'll send her to school and make them aware of her complaints...

And if off school sick they are not allowed tv etc.. just quiet rest lol it tends to mean they only want to stay home when really sick.

To op

Is there a mentoring service nearby.... As that can work wonders...

Cali "

my view is that the kid whose 14 should be punished not the parent at 14 your obviously gonna know right from wrong maybe if the authorities actually threatened ...the culprit this might work instead all that happens by threatening the parent is cause resentement btween parents and there kids. Maybe if the kid is threatened with young offenders or care home then the kid might realise they dont have it that bad at all and start going to school

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

" Maybe if the kid is threatened with young offenders or care home then the kid might realise they dont have it that bad at all and start going to school "

Although n ot recommended necessarily for every case, sometimes shock tactics really do work and I know that there are some rather successful initiatives and projects involving social workers and the police.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

OP has your friend tried the school exclusion unit, school refusers can go there , not just children that have been excluded from school.

As for the well qualified doctors in this thread who say ADHD doesnt exist,100 years ago the said the same about autism. Read accounts of teachers from the time though and they were aware of the children who behaved in a certain manner that would have resulted in diagnosis today.

Simply because you , as a child (as that was when you were in school) hadnt heard of something doesn't mean it didnt exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My 15 year old doesn't bunk but she tries to pull a sicky on a regular basis... But she knows I'll send her to school and make them aware of her complaints...

And if off school sick they are not allowed tv etc.. just quiet rest lol it tends to mean they only want to stay home when really sick.

To op

Is there a mentoring service nearby.... As that can work wonders...

Cali

As an adult if you have a child YOU are responsible for that child till they are legally an adult, if you don't like this then don't have kids.

Kat x

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I truly despair at the attitude of some parents these days who are quick to pass of their lack of parenting skills as ADHD on the part of the child.

It amazes me that one has to pass a test to drive a car but to raise children all you have to do is have sex and then you are let loose with an apprentice human being.

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care."

ok wishy explain this one eldest daughter sail through school no probs with good results. son struggles through jounior school gets diagnosed with adhd aged ten is told wont attend a high school which is fought by parents attends high school where with help and support he achieves 13 gcse passes and has gone on to.college his two younger sisters are both doing well 15 yo is projected to achieve gcse A passes youngest is starting high school in September in top.set .all.four children have been brought up in exactly the same way so explain please how my son has a diagnosis of adhd whilst how sisters don't ? can't be down to bad parenting oh and we an aside I at age 40 was diagnosed with the same condition after struggling all my life accademically .wo come on doctor wishy explain !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My 15 year old doesn't bunk but she tries to pull a sicky on a regular basis... But she knows I'll send her to school and make them aware of her complaints...

And if off school sick they are not allowed tv etc.. just quiet rest lol it tends to mean they only want to stay home when really sick.

To op

Is there a mentoring service nearby.... As that can work wonders...

Cali

As an adult if you have a child YOU are responsible for that child till they are legally an adult, if you don't like this then don't have kids.

oh righ so as a kid if you killed someone the parent goes to jail on ther behalf ......because there responsible for the child... point i was making is how are kids gonna get a feeling of taking responsibility for themselves whish is all part of growing up, when they do somert wrong ther parents get punished for it.

Kat x"

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By *heekychezzaWoman
over a year ago

warrington

The issue of court with regard truancy is one of 'parental responsibility' - and as such it is the parent failing to meet their responsibilites.

I have seen parents who have done everything humanly possible to ensure their child attended school...including physically taking the child to school and leaving them with a teacher. When the child subsequently managed to leave the school premises it could not be seen as a lack of parental resposibility. In my experience a parent who really does do everything in their power to adress the issue doesn't end up with a court summons. A 14 year old is not a young adult....a young adult is 18+, before that they are a minor and somewhere there is a parent/parents or guardians who are responsible for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care."

So the scans that show a marked difference in dopamine behaviour in diagnosed ADHD sufferers and non sufferers are bullshit?

Most cases of ADHD are genetic

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By *heekychezzaWoman
over a year ago

warrington

Obviously not.....but we're not talking about one-off incidents of violence or crime. In the case of truancy and subsequent court action...the parent(s) is the person responsible for ensuring their child attends school. The majority of parents do this, through boundaries, expectations, leading by example and when needed by appropriate punishment. All children/teenagers test boundaries it's natural and neccessary for them to develop...but the bottom line is the adults have the responsibility.

Your original post says the daughter thinks the court summons her mother received is a joke - to me that sounds like she has never been given proper boundaries.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Your original post says the daughter thinks the court summons her mother received is a joke - to me that sounds like she has never been given proper boundaries."

Quite agree on the boundary issue, and there lies the vital difference : Although ADHD children (and adults) need clear boundaries, their lack of forward planning, their invariably very short attention span and impulsivity often let them forget their good intentions. So good, responsible and clear parenting is very important although ADHD sufferers may still fail to follow instructions and their own plans.

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By *heekychezzaWoman
over a year ago

warrington

For sure Aphrodite. However....the child the op is referring to is not the one with the ADHD diagnosis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I truly despair at the attitude of some parents these days who are quick to pass of their lack of parenting skills as ADHD on the part of the child.

It amazes me that one has to pass a test to drive a car but to raise children all you have to do is have sex and then you are let loose with an apprentice human being.

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care.

'struggling all your life academically' does not make you ADHD-prone. Not all children can be A* subject pass successes in all their subjects, some only manage 4 or 5 GCSEs, some only get 1 or 2. Is everyone who is not A* in 10 subjects suffering from some degree of ADHD?

I think it's about time that it's accepted that some people are just a bit thick. They can be amazingly smart in other spheres of life, plaster a perfect smooth wall, or paint like Picasso but when it comes to the three R's (what a fookin piss take that phrase is) they simply can't read, write or do basic arithmatic.

That is not ADHD.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I truly despair at the attitude of some parents these days who are quick to pass of their lack of parenting skills as ADHD on the part of the child.

It amazes me that one has to pass a test to drive a car but to raise children all you have to do is have sex and then you are let loose with an apprentice human being.

ADHD = a bullshit diagnosis of people who can't or won't take responsibility for their own actions, or the actions of those in their care.

That is not ADHD. "

Wishy, you called ADHD a bollox diagnosis that does not exist so I am surprised you enter the discussion on what constitutes ADHD.

Having said that, ADHD may very well mean low academic grades for a host of reasons including dyslexia, lack of support and bullying (yes, bullying as these kids are often isolated with no close friends!). There are great examples of ADHD sufferers with outstanding achievements, apparentlt Richard Branson, Albert Einstein and Winston Churchill....

To explain this to the lay person : their brains are wired differently, their chemical balance is different to non ADHD people and that makes them different. They need extra help in some areas, and excel in others where you and I would fail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to agree with Wishy on this. Well to a degree at least. ADHD does exist, but an awful lot of parents use it as an excuse for their own failings in bringing up children.

As for the OP, that is the last option in a very long winded process. People need to take responsibility for their actions.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

That is not ADHD. "

Any update on which year the "govt" (at the time) "created" ADHD?

No great rush for an answer but before Thursday please as it would help me decide who to vote for in our Local Election!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I have to agree with Wishy on this. Well to a degree at least. ADHD does exist, but an awful lot of parents use it as an excuse for their own failings in bringing up children.

"
I am not disputing that some people use a diagnosis as an excuse for their failrure or bad luck; plenty of examples around. So I am in agreement with you here. However, HOWEVER, a clinical diagnosis of ADHD which incidentally is not made by a GP but happens only after referral to a Child Psychiatrist and various assessment and tools, this is a lengthy process.. It involves several clinicians and other professionals. My issue is with anybody who questions the existence of this diagnosis, a bit like saying Asthma does not exist, or depression. Its like suggesting the asthmatic should run faster and the depressive should pull himself together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have to agree with Wishy on this. Well to a degree at least. ADHD does exist, but an awful lot of parents use it as an excuse for their own failings in bringing up children.

I would assume that the parent of someone with diagnosed ADHD would face different struggles and problems than someone who has a child without ADHD. Are they making excuses? Or are they trying to make sense of their own unfortunate predicament? If a child genuinely has ADHD and they're struggling with it they're not 'Failing'.

Are they?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

That is not ADHD.

Any update on which year the "govt" (at the time) "created" ADHD?

No great rush for an answer but before Thursday please as it would help me decide who to vote for in our Local Election!

"
Goes back to the 1930 s in the USA and was recognised overhere some decades later. Does this help your decision;-)?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Richard Branson, Albert Einstein and Winston Churchill....are dislexic not ADHD

and having spoken with my hubbys Aunt over this she is a shool governer and controls funding for 3 schools so would say she knows what she is talking about

the education board will not take anyone to court unless they can prove the parent is at fault

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Richard Branson, Albert Einstein and Winston Churchill....are dislexic not ADHD

The training for carers and parents quotes these and a few other examples as examples for both. They often go together anyway. Either way ADHD being on the Autism spectrum does not necessarily mean the sufferer will be manic all the time.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

That is not ADHD.

Any update on which year the "govt" (at the time) "created" ADHD?

No great rush for an answer but before Thursday please as it would help me decide who to vote for in our Local Election!

Goes back to the 1930 s in the USA and was recognised overhere some decades later. Does this help your decision;-)?"

It depends which party was in power when it was "created" over here as I can't vote for one that goes around "creating diseases" ya know!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Richard Branson, Albert Einstein and Winston Churchill....are dislexic not ADHD

They do appear on a list of people with ADD/ADHD

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have to agree with Wishy on this. Well to a degree at least. ADHD does exist, but an awful lot of parents use it as an excuse for their own failings in bringing up children.

I am not disputing that some people use a diagnosis as an excuse for their failrure or bad luck; plenty of examples around. So I am in agreement with you here. However, HOWEVER, a clinical diagnosis of ADHD which incidentally is not made by a GP but happens only after referral to a Child Psychiatrist and various assessment and tools, this is a lengthy process.. It involves several clinicians and other professionals. My issue is with anybody who questions the existence of this diagnosis, a bit like saying Asthma does not exist, or depression. Its like suggesting the asthmatic should run faster and the depressive should pull himself together."

Sorry, I am not doubting the difficulties of either genuine sufferers od their families.

What I was alluding too was that too many parents are not good parents and ply their children with crap food, fizzy drinks and sweets while thinking that a TV or games console provides adequate mental stimulation and then say the poor kid has ADHD.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

That is not ADHD.

Any update on which year the "govt" (at the time) "created" ADHD?

No great rush for an answer but before Thursday please as it would help me decide who to vote for in our Local Election!

Goes back to the 1930 s in the USA and was recognised overhere some decades later. Does this help your decision;-)?

It depends which party was in power when it was "created" over here as I can't vote for one that goes around "creating diseases" ya know!

"
They didnt create it, trust me... they just gave a clinical name to a cluster of behaviours which are associated with chemical imbalances in the human brain.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I have to agree with Wishy on this. Well to a degree at least. ADHD does exist, but an awful lot of parents use it as an excuse for their own failings in bringing up children.

Sorry, I am not doubting the difficulties of either genuine sufferers od their families.

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And in that respect I wholeheartedly agree with you. Some dispute that food and additives affect kids negatively, I disagree and I would remove bad food, fizzy drinks and colourings before trying for a diagnosis. Absolutely agreed !

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

That is not ADHD.

Any update on which year the "govt" (at the time) "created" ADHD?

No great rush for an answer but before Thursday please as it would help me decide who to vote for in our Local Election!

Goes back to the 1930 s in the USA and was recognised overhere some decades later. Does this help your decision;-)?

It depends which party was in power when it was "created" over here as I can't vote for one that goes around "creating diseases" ya know!

They didnt create it, trust me... they just gave a clinical name to a cluster of behaviours which are associated with chemical imbalances in the human brain.

I know

Someone said the "govt" did though I was just trying to find out which party was in power at the time of "creation"

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

"I have to agree with Wishy on this. Well to a degree at least. ADHD does exist, but an awful lot of parents use it as an excuse for their own failings in bringing up children.

Sorry, I am not doubting the difficulties of either genuine sufferers od their families.

your may be right there ,and given the price of good food and the need for food banks at the moment,occurrences of food related problem behavior may increase. If we are to train parents of children with ADHD its going to cost a fortune as 1 child in 11 has the disorder ,and world wide 2% of the adult population .So if its a genetic illness as the men in white coats say then often the one or other parent may have the disorder too .....obviously there are exceptions either way .

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

That is not ADHD.

Any update on which year the "govt" (at the time) "created" ADHD?

No great rush for an answer but before Thursday please as it would help me decide who to vote for in our Local Election!

Goes back to the 1930 s in the USA and was recognised overhere some decades later. Does this help your decision;-)?

It depends which party was in power when it was "created" over here as I can't vote for one that goes around "creating diseases" ya know!

They didnt create it, trust me... they just gave a clinical name to a cluster of behaviours which are associated with chemical imbalances in the human brain.

I know

Someone said the "govt" did though I was just trying to find out which party was in power at the time of "creation"

"
Well along those lines.... which party is the most "creative" at engineering?

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

That is not ADHD.

Any update on which year the "govt" (at the time) "created" ADHD?

No great rush for an answer but before Thursday please as it would help me decide who to vote for in our Local Election!

Goes back to the 1930 s in the USA and was recognised overhere some decades later. Does this help your decision;-)?

It depends which party was in power when it was "created" over here as I can't vote for one that goes around "creating diseases" ya know!

They didnt create it, trust me... they just gave a clinical name to a cluster of behaviours which are associated with chemical imbalances in the human brain.

I know

Someone said the "govt" did though I was just trying to find out which party was in power at the time of "creation"

Well along those lines.... which party is the most "creative" at engineering?

The Conservatives, no hold on it's Labour, nah maybe it's the Lib Dems or could it be the SNP...... bugger me (not literally) they're all as bad as each other!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

That is not ADHD.

Any update on which year the "govt" (at the time) "created" ADHD?

No great rush for an answer but before Thursday please as it would help me decide who to vote for in our Local Election!

Goes back to the 1930 s in the USA and was recognised overhere some decades later. Does this help your decision;-)?

It depends which party was in power when it was "created" over here as I can't vote for one that goes around "creating diseases" ya know!

They didnt create it, trust me... they just gave a clinical name to a cluster of behaviours which are associated with chemical imbalances in the human brain.

I know

Someone said the "govt" did though I was just trying to find out which party was in power at the time of "creation"

Well along those lines.... which party is the most "creative" at engineering?

The Conservatives, no hold on it's Labour, nah maybe it's the Lib Dems or could it be the SNP...... bugger me (not literally) they're all as bad as each other!

"
I think you and I should create a new party (God forbid) and focus on making swinging a duty every citizen of this country should at least consider ?

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

That is not ADHD.

Any update on which year the "govt" (at the time) "created" ADHD?

No great rush for an answer but before Thursday please as it would help me decide who to vote for in our Local Election!

Goes back to the 1930 s in the USA and was recognised overhere some decades later. Does this help your decision;-)?

It depends which party was in power when it was "created" over here as I can't vote for one that goes around "creating diseases" ya know!

They didnt create it, trust me... they just gave a clinical name to a cluster of behaviours which are associated with chemical imbalances in the human brain.

I know

Someone said the "govt" did though I was just trying to find out which party was in power at the time of "creation"

Well along those lines.... which party is the most "creative" at engineering?

The Conservatives, no hold on it's Labour, nah maybe it's the Lib Dems or could it be the SNP...... bugger me (not literally) they're all as bad as each other!

I think you and I should create a new party (God forbid) and focus on making swinging a duty every citizen of this country should at least consider ?

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over a year ago

"Richard Branson, Albert Einstein and Winston Churchill....are dislexic not ADHD

They do appear on a list of people with ADD/ADHD"

Oh that's handy then. Hope they're getting all the benefits they are allowed.

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over a year ago

"Richard Branson, Albert Einstein and Winston Churchill....are dislexic not ADHD

They do appear on a list of people with ADD/ADHD

Oh that's handy then. Hope they're getting all the benefits they are allowed."

I doubt it. One probably has too much money in the bank. The other two are dead. Anyone else getting it,,as you said 'allowed'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Richard Branson, Albert Einstein and Winston Churchill....are dislexic not ADHD

They do appear on a list of people with ADD/ADHD

Oh that's handy then. Hope they're getting all the benefits they are allowed.

I doubt it. One probably has too much money in the bank. The other two are dead. Anyone else getting it,,as you said 'allowed'"

Branson is dead? When did that happen then?

I know Einstein is still alive as I saw in at ADHD Anonymous just the other day.

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over a year ago

..if Einstein had ADHD and/or dyslexia.. how come he didn't diagnose it himself - him being the smartest human being to ever walk the planet as he is - was. Will he be having bipolar at some point in the future too?

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over a year ago

Branson is dead? When did that happen then?

A few months back. Haven't you seen the recent Virgin Media ads? They're using a lookeelikee..I'm not convinced tho

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over a year ago

Branson is dead? When did that happen then?

A few months back. Haven't you seen the recent Virgin Media ads? They're using a lookeelikee..I'm not convinced tho"

Ah right, I thought he'd just had a really good tan and dyed his beard blonde. Maybe I have a negative view on life eh?

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over a year ago

I work in a high school where 63% have special needs.

ANYONE who does not believe that ADHD exists has never actually seen a person with it.

now having said that ADHD does NOT make a person thick, It doe not mean that the person will be trouble at school/job.

but the latter is likely, especially if the meds is not balanced right.

An old next door neighbour of ours had a son that was ADHD. His dad was a policeman. Loving family and the other kids were fine.

when the lads meds were correct, he was the nicest brightest most polite person you could meet. When they were wrong!!!

Once they came home and found that he had picked all the plaster off the walls (with his finger nails and hand bleeding)in his bedroom. He did not care about consequences of anything he did.

My wife worked as a classroom assistant and had one ADHD primary school kid. One day he barracaded himself in the corner of the classroom and chucked chairs at everybody. In the afternoon after the meds had taken effect he was going around helping everyone and being a 'perfect pupil'

It's an 'easy label for disruptive kids to be given (by joe blogs), but the REAL ADHD people have a hard time(and so do their families).

And with regards to bygone years, a lot ended up in the army and were cannon fodder! they would fight and fight and it keept them in check having such a strict lifestyle where everything was dictated by superiors. but they still got into trouble. They were know as the 'bit of a tearaway' ones.

Also if a pupil leaves the school premisis, then we phone the parent and let them know. After that its up to the parent.

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over a year ago

"Also if a pupil leaves the school premisis, then we phone the parent and let them know. After that its up to the parent.

xxxx"

Please answer as I'd like to know if this is standard practice across all schools.

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over a year ago

I believe so, but I am not in a position at a school to be fully up to date witht herules (work in a non teching role but I am a qualified teacher).

It does seem to be common practice in the local schools (We are a high school)

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over a year ago

"Also if a pupil leaves the school premisis, then we phone the parent and let them know. After that its up to the parent.

xxxx

Please answer as I'd like to know if this is standard practice across all schools."

has been for a long time wishy if my son is off school for anyreason and i havnt phoned the school by 10 am they will ether ring me or text me to find out why he isnt at school and he as a 97% atendence record

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over a year ago

"Also if a pupil leaves the school premisis, then we phone the parent and let them know. After that its up to the parent.

xxxx

Please answer as I'd like to know if this is standard practice across all schools.

So the poster who claimed one mum went to jail because her child was attending registration and then skipping off couldn't actually happen? Is it the school's duty to ensure the child stays there once he or she has arrived at school?

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over a year ago

" Is it the school's duty to ensure the child stays there once he or she has arrived at school?

no I do not believe it is. If a pupil leaves the premisis, and notifies the guardian, then they are no longer responsible.

also if a pupil is vwery disruptive, then the guardian is called again and asked to first talk to the pupil, and hten if the pupil refuses, the guardian is asked to come and pick their child up.

xxxxx

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

You'll get the info you're after if you search the Directgov website for "School attendance and absence: the law"

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By *ratsweetkittensWoman
over a year ago

stalybridge

"I work in a high school where 63% have special needs.