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By *mandajane01 OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Ballymena

Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "

Not much you can do in regards to populations without turning into china and taking peoples rights away on number of children you can have x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100% agree, the real issue of climate change is over population of humans.

extra materials, manufacturing, power, land taken up for homes, trees cut down, fuel, it is all closely related and politicians and governments bury their heads in sand

China had right idea in 1980 with 1 child per family policy

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "

You're not the only one

David Attenborough whole heartedly agrees with you

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By *heLaserGuyMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I've thought this for years, should have been controls or limits decades ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember that we are not killing the planet only ourselfs, the planet will return to its normal self after a few cycles, we should be worried about man made polution rather than than normal climate change, we have had extreme weather before the humans was here.

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By *mandajane01 OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Ballymena


"I've thought this for years, should have been controls or limits decades ago. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This part of the problem will sort itself out with many major countries showing a drop in birth rate at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Extinction Rebellion protesters have blocked the entrances to oil giant Shell's Aberdeen headquarters yesterday with there boat on a trailer which the towed in with their 4x4

absolutely laughable, they use carbon fuels to get there dump their boat, do their protest then the rain comes on so the cancel.

They are protesting to prevent their kids from enjoying the great transport, luxury holidays and flights we all have today lol,

thank got I grew up in the 70's, the World has gone to shit and the Extinction Rebellion protesters keep on having kids which increases the problem they are protesting about, all laughable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I sadly have to disagree OP. Yes over population is a factor but its not the cause. In my humble opinion that would have to be the inequitable distribution of rescources globally.

200 years ago when countries were pretty much self sufficient climate change wasnt a thing. Along comes the industrial revolution and suddenly there are resources countries "need" that they dont have. And thus our modern world was made. Cutting global population by 10 percent wont change anything sadly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you suggesting to Thanos snap half the Earth?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are you suggesting to Thanos snap half the Earth?"

Ironically the Thanos solution isnt a solution, all he did was turn the clock back. Within a few generations the populations would replenish and they'd be back where they started

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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago

Whitley Bay

Mama earth with have the final say and find a way.

I salute everyone who takes on some responsibility for their impact whilst here on the planet.

I love hearing my 7 year old daughter as the schools begin to include environmental awareness.

Any bit we can do .. I salute the the people who are defending the earth and its inhabitants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there can now be no serious doubt that fossil fuel usage and deforestation are the main causes of global warming. We are reaping the dubious rewards of our pigate consumption of previous decades.

Interestingly carbon emissions have actually risen since Kyoto and Paris agreements, so at current levels we are going to hell in a hand cart faster than before.

There are solutions, but no real will to bring them into force. Example - more money is spent in the US on pet grooming than research into nuclear fusion, our best hope of clean and relatively limitless energy.

Increased population size in and of itself is neither good nor bad. It's the increased demand for a. Land and probably more importantly b. Poluting resources that is the issue.

#InMyHumbleOpinion

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

Nobody on this thread is wrong !! Its simply a combination of all these factors mentioned, and it wont improve until we either colonize Mars or all die !!

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

Cows farting, that’s what’s caused it .. and having climate change seminars and flying all the delegates around the world

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Predicted to be an additional two billion people within next twenty years.

I’m still sceptical about the climate data. Remember, it’s only recently that we’ve had computers , satellites, and really recent to have digital.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I somewhat don’t think Fab is the best place to have this chat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I somewhat don’t think Fab is the best place to have this chat "

Well it kinda reinforces the safe sex message. You are not only protecting against STIs but also protecting against additional g to the global population.

Or am I taking things too far?

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise.

Not much you can do in regards to populations without turning into china and taking peoples rights away on number of children you can have x"

is it a right or a privilege ? With rights come responsibilities...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise.

Not much you can do in regards to populations without turning into china and taking peoples rights away on number of children you can have x

is it a right or a privilege ? With rights come responsibilities..."

It's both.

I guess.

But a good point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I somewhat don’t think Fab is the best place to have this chat "

Actually I disagree, if you only have these conversations in "traditional" arenas you miss talking to the significant number of people who dont or wont use them. I agree we wont really get a good answer on FAB but you might make new people think about the issue

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By *plshropsCouple
over a year ago

shrewsbury

We all live in a want it now world

Just look at the home delivery of fast food growth

Deforestation is the major cause the planet has a natural resource to cope with carbon infect carbon is the food source they are called trees, unfortunately these are being felled in massive numbers to cope with the growing demand for plant based proteins soya and palm oils.

What we do in this country will have no effect world wide.

Cut 1% of China,s & indias carbon

Output will have more affect

I am not convinced that global warming is man made I think its a natural cycle and the earths currently on an up cycle.

Who remembers the ozone hole being blamed for climate change now its carbon

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By *ucidityWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "

They are all causes of climate change and all need serious consideration.

Fossil fuels need to be left in the ground, the rainforest not torn down and a move towards a plant based diet is beneficial.

Meat and dairy are resource intensive products, they require a huge amount of input for not much output considering the amount of mouths that need feeding.

The way to increase output is to farm more intensively but I think intensive farming is hideous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has any one seen downsizing?

It's on Netflix.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"Has any one seen downsizing?

It's on Netflix. "

Yep . I enjoyed it actually and I would do it too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "

Yes and no. The huge population wouldn't cause the same ill effects if it wasn't for the unbridled use of fossil fuels, air travel and all the rest of that good stuff. If we all lived like cavemen then all would probably be fine.

But, I've said it before and I'll say it again - Thanos was right. He was just misunderstood, poor chap.

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By *ecky and justCouple
over a year ago

Godalming

There is a direct and demonstrable correlation between global warming and the relative increase in density of the human population of the planet.

If you combine reports of population density with those of temperature spikes you’ll see an uncanny match.

Not only our drain on resources and requirement for energy in all forms but our direct effect on temperature.

Wish I could find the very interesting report I found on the issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is a direct and demonstrable correlation between global warming and the relative increase in density of the human population of the planet.

If you combine reports of population density with those of temperature spikes you’ll see an uncanny match.

Not only our drain on resources and requirement for energy in all forms but our direct effect on temperature.

Wish I could find the very interesting report I found on the issue.

"

'The Uninhabitable Earth' by David Wallace-Wells is an interesting read on the subject. I was a semi sceptic, less so now.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"100% agree, the real issue of climate change is over population of humans.

extra materials, manufacturing, power, land taken up for homes, trees cut down, fuel, it is all closely related and politicians and governments bury their heads in sand

China had right idea in 1980 with 1 child per family policy"

And now China is struggling with an economic and social time bomb!! There really is no easy answer. Nature will find a way (which will not be pleasant) or there will be a global conflict (which will not be pleasant) fighting to control the shrinking habitual zones of the globe and resources. The human race is fkd. It’s just a question of when... 10 years, 100 years, 200 years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All predictions are 'best guess' determine what you will from that.

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By *plshropsCouple
over a year ago

shrewsbury


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise.

They are all causes of climate change and all need serious consideration.

Fossil fuels need to be left in the ground, the rainforest not torn down and a move towards a plant based diet is beneficial.

Meat and dairy are resource intensive products, they require a huge amount of input for not much output considering the amount of mouths that need feeding.

The way to increase output is to farm more intensively but I think intensive farming is hideous. "

Me thinks you have been listening to the media to much

Anyone blaming animals for the state of the planet is so wrong

It takes 10 x more water to produce plant based milk the cows milk, also grass absorbs carbon grass is the main diet for ruminats

If they the vegan movement thinks the uk can feed itself with transporting food around the world it's in for a shock

I have no issues with anyone wanting to be vegan or any other diet if thats there wish but I am fed up with the excuse of such diet being based on animals being bad for the planet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise.

They are all causes of climate change and all need serious consideration.

Fossil fuels need to be left in the ground, the rainforest not torn down and a move towards a plant based diet is beneficial.

Meat and dairy are resource intensive products, they require a huge amount of input for not much output considering the amount of mouths that need feeding.

The way to increase output is to farm more intensively but I think intensive farming is hideous.

Me thinks you have been listening to the media to much

Anyone blaming animals for the state of the planet is so wrong

It takes 10 x more water to produce plant based milk the cows milk, also grass absorbs carbon grass is the main diet for ruminats

If they the vegan movement thinks the uk can feed itself with transporting food around the world it's in for a shock

I have no issues with anyone wanting to be vegan or any other diet if thats there wish but I am fed up with the excuse of such diet being based on animals being bad for the planet.

"

However, it takes 8 kilos of grain to produce one kilo of meat. Not all meat production is grass fed. For the record I am not vegan x

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By *ucidityWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I really don’t appreciate the condescension.

Studies have come out of universities such as Oxford saying that a move to a plant based diet would be beneficial. Aren’t they some of the smartest folk around?

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-10-12-balanced-plant-based-diets-improve-our-health-and-health-planet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don’t appreciate the condescension.

Studies have come out of universities such as Oxford saying that a move to a plant based diet would be beneficial. Aren’t they some of the smartest folk around?

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-10-12-balanced-plant-based-diets-improve-our-health-and-health-planet"

They can't be all that smart - they let me in FFS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don’t appreciate the condescension.

Studies have come out of universities such as Oxford saying that a move to a plant based diet would be beneficial. Aren’t they some of the smartest folk around?

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-10-12-balanced-plant-based-diets-improve-our-health-and-health-planet"

But we are talking about people considering change. People tend not to be good at that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nature has a way of sorting these things out. The climate will probably go into meltdown and many, if not all, of us will be wiped out.

Then the climate will swing the other way and eventually it’ll all be lovely again but without the human problem.

All that in a blink of an eye as far as the planet's concerned.

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By *ucidityWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"I really don’t appreciate the condescension.

Studies have come out of universities such as Oxford saying that a move to a plant based diet would be beneficial. Aren’t they some of the smartest folk around?

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-10-12-balanced-plant-based-diets-improve-our-health-and-health-planet

But we are talking about people considering change. People tend not to be good at that."

Sorry, when I said condescension I was referring to the post saying that I listen to the news too much.

Change isn’t easy but if all of us commit to making smaller, meaningful changes then big things happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We all live in a want it now world

Just look at the home delivery of fast food growth

Deforestation is the major cause the planet has a natural resource to cope with carbon infect carbon is the food source they are called trees, unfortunately these are being felled in massive numbers to cope with the growing demand for plant based proteins soya and palm oils.

What we do in this country will have no effect world wide.

Cut 1% of China,s & indias carbon

Output will have more affect

I am not convinced that global warming is man made I think its a natural cycle and the earths currently on an up cycle.

Who remembers the ozone hole being blamed for climate change now its carbon

Agreed

"

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By *plshropsCouple
over a year ago

shrewsbury


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise.

They are all causes of climate change and all need serious consideration.

Fossil fuels need to be left in the ground, the rainforest not torn down and a move towards a plant based diet is beneficial.

Meat and dairy are resource intensive products, they require a huge amount of input for not much output considering the amount of mouths that need feeding.

The way to increase output is to farm more intensively but I think intensive farming is hideous.

Me thinks you have been listening to the media to much

Anyone blaming animals for the state of the planet is so wrong

It takes 10 x more water to produce plant based milk the cows milk, also grass absorbs carbon grass is the main diet for ruminats

If they the vegan movement thinks the uk can feed itself with transporting food around the world it's in for a shock

I have no issues with anyone wanting to be vegan or any other diet if thats there wish but I am fed up with the excuse of such diet being based on animals being bad for the planet.

However, it takes 8 kilos of grain to produce one kilo of meat. Not all meat production is grass fed. For the record I am not vegan x"

Not all meat is grain fed grass is the cheapest feed source

Chicken on the other hand is 100% grain fed.

Grain or any plant growth absorbs carbon so do you not need to offset any carbon produced from animals by the amount absorbed by its food sources I,e grass and plant based proteins.

We as humans cant absorb nutrients produced by plants animals convert these nutrients into forms of nutrients we can convert.

If the planet is at a cliffedge ban all air travel over night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anthropologically speaking no. One of the reasons early humans evolved to give us big brains is that we began to eat cooked red meat. The (very) long term consequences of cutting meat out of our diets has not been considered, as far as I know. What's best for the plant and best for humans may not be the same thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise.

They are all causes of climate change and all need serious consideration.

Fossil fuels need to be left in the ground, the rainforest not torn down and a move towards a plant based diet is beneficial.

Meat and dairy are resource intensive products, they require a huge amount of input for not much output considering the amount of mouths that need feeding.

The way to increase output is to farm more intensively but I think intensive farming is hideous.

Me thinks you have been listening to the media to much

Anyone blaming animals for the state of the planet is so wrong

It takes 10 x more water to produce plant based milk the cows milk, also grass absorbs carbon grass is the main diet for ruminats

If they the vegan movement thinks the uk can feed itself with transporting food around the world it's in for a shock

I have no issues with anyone wanting to be vegan or any other diet if thats there wish but I am fed up with the excuse of such diet being based on animals being bad for the planet.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don’t appreciate the condescension.

Studies have come out of universities such as Oxford saying that a move to a plant based diet would be beneficial. Aren’t they some of the smartest folk around?

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-10-12-balanced-plant-based-diets-improve-our-health-and-health-planet

But we are talking about people considering change. People tend not to be good at that.

Sorry, when I said condescension I was referring to the post saying that I listen to the news too much.

Change isn’t easy but if all of us commit to making smaller, meaningful changes then big things happen. "

I agree wholeheartedly. My comment was aimed at the "I dont care what the science says, I just dont believe it because I dont want to change my lifestyle" lobby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I somewhat don’t think Fab is the best place to have this chat "

It's as good a place as any. The question is what to do about it. The answer is not to limit the number of births because there are more problems caused by having an increasingly aged population. So do we end up with a Logan's Run scenario? We're doomed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "

Its because people get a bit sketchy when you suggest genocide

I for one think Thanos was onto something

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Are you volunteering for euthanasia, OP?

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By *illy999TV/TS
over a year ago

Taunton

Passenger aircraft burning fuel very similar to diesel at 35,000 ft. Just over the North Atlantic alone, approximately 190,000 tons/tonnes gets burned in any 24 hrs.

Source Flightradar24 ..

Plus deforestation in Brazil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thinking of having a cull OP?

Who do you plan to start with?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sea levels rising... Its because when a ship sinks, it gets left there.. New ships built every year to replace older ones.. #archimedes.

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By *ecky and justCouple
over a year ago

Godalming


"Sea levels rising... Its because when a ship sinks, it gets left there.. New ships built every year to replace older ones.. #archimedes. "

Stop it. You’ll spark another conspiracy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it’s just a cycle of earth that takes place after so many years, earth floods, freezes then melts again.

Do agree that man made pollutions don’t help but I don’t think humans can do much about it apart from slow the process down that they’ve sped up but it’s always going to happen, we’re not guaranteed a place on earth.

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By *apiensWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"There is a direct and demonstrable correlation between global warming and the relative increase in density of the human population of the planet.

If you combine reports of population density with those of temperature spikes you’ll see an uncanny match.

Not only our drain on resources and requirement for energy in all forms but our direct effect on temperature.

Wish I could find the very interesting report I found on the issue.

"

Correlation does not equal causation. The places with the highest population growth are also the places with the lowest per capita emissions.

Even China, one of the biggest aggregate polluters, has per capita emissions of less than half of the USA. Meanwhile, the per capita emissions of the countries with the biggest population growth problems - Malawi, Niger, Mali - have PCE 1/160 of the USA.

Most OECD countries have already arrested population growth and are facing downward demographic trends.

Overpopulation is a huge social and economic problem, but it’s not the number one issue in tackling emissions that cause climate change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is a direct and demonstrable correlation between global warming and the relative increase in density of the human population of the planet.

If you combine reports of population density with those of temperature spikes you’ll see an uncanny match.

Not only our drain on resources and requirement for energy in all forms but our direct effect on temperature.

Wish I could find the very interesting report I found on the issue.

Correlation does not equal causation. The places with the highest population growth are also the places with the lowest per capita emissions.

Even China, one of the biggest aggregate polluters, has per capita emissions of less than half of the USA. Meanwhile, the per capita emissions of the countries with the biggest population growth problems - Malawi, Niger, Mali - have PCE 1/160 of the USA.

Most OECD countries have already arrested population growth and are facing downward demographic trends.

Overpopulation is a huge social and economic problem, but it’s not the number one issue in tackling emissions that cause climate change. "

A good point, well made. It's a complex old mess, and I dont think we understand it any where near as well as we should. However, the understanding that we do have is surely a big enough alarm bell?

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By *mandajane01 OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Ballymena


"Thinking of having a cull OP?

Who do you plan to start with?"

I never suggested a cull, just to stop the rate of growth, 1 person one child would see a natural but gradual reduction.

Euthanasia yes if the person wants and under certain circumstances. I personally Would one day welcome it, but even this is banned by our politicians maybe that’s another thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had to study this at uni, and personally it's all best guess scenarios.

Over the last 8 or 900,000 years, there have been natural cycles in the Earth’s climate anyway.

There have been ice ages and warmer interglacial periods in the past without fossil fuels, and it's all best guess predictions from scientists.

After the last ice age nearly 20,000 years or so ago the average global temperature rose by about 3 to 8°C, over a period of about 10,000 years, so I don't think it's purely down to popping an offspring out OP

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"I really don’t appreciate the condescension.

Studies have come out of universities such as Oxford saying that a move to a plant based diet would be beneficial. Aren’t they some of the smartest folk around?

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-10-12-balanced-plant-based-diets-improve-our-health-and-health-planet"

The problem with such studies is they are almost always clouded by personal judgements before the are even conceived let alone researched and written!

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"I had to study this at uni, and personally it's all best guess scenarios.

Over the last 8 or 900,000 years, there have been natural cycles in the Earth’s climate anyway.

There have been ice ages and warmer interglacial periods in the past without fossil fuels, and it's all best guess predictions from scientists.

After the last ice age nearly 20,000 years or so ago the average global temperature rose by about 3 to 8°C, over a period of about 10,000 years, so I don't think it's purely down to popping an offspring out OP "

In each case something was driving those temperature changes, we may never exactly know what, we don’t have many records regarding solar activity during 10,000BC... what we do know is at present atmospheric CO2 is increasing, we know the planet is warming and we know the sun is in a very quiet solar minimum state so it isn’t responsible for driving temperature up..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The globalists have also cashed it on it and many people believe them.

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

The planet needs a good plague or something to sort out the elephant in the room and thin the herd a bit, nature keeps trying with things like Ebola and SARS but us clever sods keep finding ways to dodge it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what caused the previous 4 major ice ages before humans were around? Farting dinosaurs maybe? We are in an ice age right now, it's just a warm interglacial period that's been going on for the last 11000 years. When Nature takes it's course, admittedley accelerated somewhat by human activities, we'll be wiped out and it will start over..don't sweat it..

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Mother Earth is rebalancing things. It’s the natural order of things.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Oh yeah, and horrid men doing smelly farts

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Everyone must go to Carousel at the age of 30.

Just call me Logan.

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By *otwife and MasterCouple
over a year ago

Derby


"Nature has a way of sorting these things out. The climate will probably go into meltdown and many, if not all, of us will be wiped out.

Then the climate will swing the other way and eventually it’ll all be lovely again but without the human problem.

All that in a blink of an eye as far as the planet's concerned. "

This. Nature will correct itself, with our extinction.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Oh! I almost forgot. Yellowstone will blow long before climate change gets critical. So it's all academic really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "
yes lets start with Asia

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Just party like it's 1999

We are fucked..

It's like Pompei.. soon we will all be wiped out including the rich clinging to their gold..

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By *an For YouMan
over a year ago

belfast/holywood

A nuclear war might be for the best

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. yes lets start with Asia "
oh and eastern Europe, theirs no room left in either of these continents thats why theyve moved here

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The real cause of climate change are scientists ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had to study this at uni, and personally it's all best guess scenarios.

Over the last 8 or 900,000 years, there have been natural cycles in the Earth’s climate anyway.

There have been ice ages and warmer interglacial periods in the past without fossil fuels, and it's all best guess predictions from scientists.

After the last ice age nearly 20,000 years or so ago the average global temperature rose by about 3 to 8°C, over a period of about 10,000 years, so I don't think it's purely down to popping an offspring out OP

In each case something was driving those temperature changes, we may never exactly know what, we don’t have many records regarding solar activity during 10,000BC... what we do know is at present atmospheric CO2 is increasing, we know the planet is warming and we know the sun is in a very quiet solar minimum state so it isn’t responsible for driving temperature up.. "

Yes the 'natural change' in the planet was probably driving it, it certainly wasn't fossil fuel what we're being taxed for now. Its all a guessing game based on forecasts, nothing more.

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By *heLaserGuyMan
over a year ago

Coventry


"The real cause of climate change are scientists .."

How ignorant not a clue

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We're able to reduce the levels of greenhouse gases witg the existing population. It requires global motivation and commitment of course.

There's no acceptable way to make fast cuts to the population levels.

Whatever we do, now that greenhouse gas levels are so high, we must reduce them, otherwise future levels of heating will be higher and intolerable, whether 1 person or billions.

We have to cut the damage done and prevent our lifestyles causing them to degrade. That means a change to our lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "

Quite right, be a dear and shoot yourself

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York


"We're able to reduce the levels of greenhouse gases witg the existing population. It requires global motivation and commitment of course.

There's no acceptable way to make fast cuts to the population levels.

Whatever we do, now that greenhouse gas levels are so high, we must reduce them, otherwise future levels of heating will be higher and intolerable, whether 1 person or billions.

We have to cut the damage done and prevent our lifestyles causing them to degrade. That means a change to our lifestyle. "

The collective 'we' also includes countries like China, India, Russia etc who are far worse polluters than European countries and who aren't as bothered about it if at all. 'We' can't force them to cut their pollution levels. I don't see Greta lecturing Putin or Xi Jinping on it though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its evolution.

The planet wiped out dinosaurs with the ice age.

It will wipe out the human race with a similar solution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its evolution.

The planet wiped out dinosaurs with the ice age.

It will wipe out the human race with a similar solution.

"

No, Humans will do it all by themselves

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "

Think the major cause is all those people eating all those animals which emit all that gas, plus the land clearance to provide pasture etc for them, and then all the water required for both them andd the laa d, and then the carbon footprint of transporting them. So yes if we all do 'our bit' by eating less /no meat that would go a long way to easing the crisis. So in a round about way you're right.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax


"I really don’t appreciate the condescension.

Studies have come out of universities such as Oxford saying that a move to a plant based diet would be beneficial. Aren’t they some of the smartest folk around?

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-10-12-balanced-plant-based-diets-improve-our-health-and-health-planet

The problem with such studies is they are almost always clouded by personal judgements before the are even conceived let alone researched and written! "

Yeah, academics with a speciality in a particular field always talk rubbish.

What is it with people discounting expert opinion as bollocks, yet trusting your own unfounded opinion or 'facts', or those of particular politicians or corporations or pressure groups with vested interests?

Surely some kind of perfect example off wilful ignorance/stupidity /pulling the wool over your own eyes?

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Swallow the condescension, if that's how you perceive it, and swallow the proven facts also. Not just 'Facebook facts.' the wounded feelings of people like you are killing the planet for everyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its utter rubbish we're being fed.

Over the last 800,000 years, the natural cycles in the Earth’s climate are plain to see. There have been ice ages and warmer interglacial periods. After the last ice age 20,000 years ago, average global temperature rose 9°c over a period of about 10,000 years this has been linked to the rises in temperature over the last 200 years to rises in atmospheric CO2levels. Yes china/asia dont help and they should be doing more but its a natural cycle and whatever we do will not make a dent on the inevitable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its called the process of natural evolution, we as humans can only speed up the process of our own demise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mama earth with have the final say and find a way.

I salute everyone who takes on some responsibility for their impact whilst here on the planet.

I love hearing my 7 year old daughter as the schools begin to include environmental awareness.

Any bit we can do .. I salute the the people who are defending the earth and its inhabitants. "

Absolutely. MOTHER EARTH IS A SOURCE. NOT A RESOURCE AND WE NEED TO REALISE THAT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It took 1000s of years to get to a billion population.

100 years to get to 2billion

By 1970 we were at 3.6billion

We are now at 7.5 Billion

Population by 2040 is expected to be at 22 Billion.

People living longer and the new generations will be less likely to have large families. So does population plateau and eventually reduce as the people living today in the older group won't be here by then.

I think it's a number and probability game. Question is. Can the planet sustain 22 billion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately, i only agree the tiniest bit regarding global warming/climate change being caused by us humans. If you look at earths history as a planet, the heating up and cooling of the planet is a very natural cycle. The "great flood", happened appropriately 14000 to 11000 years ago, caused by increased tempratures, and as far as I'm aware, humans weren't polluting the earth then..

I'd be more concerned with weather manipulation technology that's being developed and experimented since the 1980's.

(Tin foil hat taken off now)

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

Every person on the planet could have a house with 2000sq meters of land in Alaska alone. We are not over populated. We are mismanaged.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Unfortunately, i only agree the tiniest bit regarding global warming/climate change being caused by us humans. If you look at earths history as a planet, the heating up and cooling of the planet is a very natural cycle. The "great flood", happened appropriately 14000 to 11000 years ago, caused by increased tempratures, and as far as I'm aware, humans weren't polluting the earth then..

I'd be more concerned with weather manipulation technology that's being developed and experimented since the 1980's.

(Tin foil hat taken off now) "

You're half right. Yes we are in a natural warming phase for the planet. The problem is that what should be taking centuries is happening in decades and thats due to human activity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Again, that is something that is still being debated by proper scientists (not Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye the science guy) and the whole CO2 scare mongering. CO2 is taken in by plants and trees and the by product of photosynthesis is O2, so we need co2, its carbon-monoxide that does harm.

Stopping all the deforestation would be a good start, plant more sustainable trees, and start going back to using hemp instead of trees...

I'm not denying there's a problem, but blaming it on Carbon emissions and taxing us isn't going to solve the problem, that's just a clever Orwellian way to tax the air we breathe..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, if the powers that should not be, were to put focus on properly irregating the land in north africa (egypt) the land would flourish as it once did, as the land is still very fertile, and this woulf help bring so many people out of poverty and also help with the old "CO2 problem".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The globalists have also cashed it on it and many people believe them."
I meant "cashed in on it".

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"It took 1000s of years to get to a billion population.

100 years to get to 2billion

By 1970 we were at 3.6billion

We are now at 7.5 Billion

Population by 2040 is expected to be at 22 Billion.

"

A consequence of that is the extinction of non-edible species.

Humankind is farming more and more of the planet, cultivating species we can eat.

Those we cannot increasingly are pushed out to the margins where they die out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its called the process of natural evolution, we as humans can only speed up the process of our own demise "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The arguments on this subject make me laugh.

Some say you need to listen to the scientists data, yet some very good scientists disagree with the 'best guess' predictions, as that's all they are 'best guess' and nothing more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The arguments on this subject make me laugh.

Some say you need to listen to the scientists data, yet some very good scientists disagree with the 'best guess' predictions, as that's all they are 'best guess' and nothing more."
how can even scientists know....... they can only guesstimate or go on the little knowledge space exploration has given us....... we as humans are not the planet we are a substance of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank goodness someone else feels the same way!

I understand what the user below the OP says about people's right to choice, and I wouldn't go with the one child policy as it's nice for children to have a sibling but do p

arents really need three, four, five children etc? It's unnecessary and I think parents should be grateful just to be able to have a child. I think capping the amount of children you have at two except for anyone pregnant with triplets and so on wpuld make a huge difference to the planet in the long run.

Yes, humans aren't doing enough to look after the planet now but the bigger the population the more damage we are likely to do.

At aome point we will run out of space to house humans, and all the beautiful countryside will get destroyed in order to build houses. Look at the pressure the NHS is under due to people living longer and needing medical support.

As you can see I agree 110 percent with this so I'll stop ranting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thank goodness someone else feels the same way!

I understand what the user below the OP says about people's right to choice, and I wouldn't go with the one child policy as it's nice for children to have a sibling but do p

arents really need three, four, five children etc? It's unnecessary and I think parents should be grateful just to be able to have a child. I think capping the amount of children you have at two except for anyone pregnant with triplets and so on wpuld make a huge difference to the planet in the long run.

Yes, humans aren't doing enough to look after the planet now but the bigger the population the more damage we are likely to do.

At aome point we will run out of space to house humans, and all the beautiful countryside will get destroyed in order to build houses. Look at the pressure the NHS is under due to people living longer and needing medical support.

As you can see I agree 110 percent with this so I'll stop ranting. "
lol you got that one off your chest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that we all can agree that it is mostlly down to polution, look how good the air have gotten and wild life is taking over. I am all for having a lockdow for a month every year to make the earth heal. I wonder how the amazon is now?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Have you really thought this through O.P. ?

It seems you are saying that population and not industry cause climate change.

Are you saying that the population fart too much or breath too much?

It is without doubt industry and all that it produces that damages the climate.

I agree that the larger the population the more 'stuff' produced , the 'greater damage' to the climate........

Soooooooo when we reduce the population - what are YOU going to go without first ? Abundant food ? Hot water ? Air travel ? Or should we allow technology to continue to evolve with the aim of a cleaner world / air.......

If so we don't need to reduce the population.

Like being on a mobius band.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Extinction Rebellion protesters have blocked the entrances to oil giant Shell's Aberdeen headquarters yesterday with there boat on a trailer which the towed in with their 4x4

absolutely laughable, they use carbon fuels to get there dump their boat, do their protest then the rain comes on so the cancel.

They are protesting to prevent their kids from enjoying the great transport, luxury holidays and flights we all have today lol,

thank got I grew up in the 70's, the World has gone to shit and the Extinction Rebellion protesters keep on having kids which increases the problem they are protesting about, all laughable."

There was a film called 12 monkeys

Where some guy who thought humans were killing the planet decided to release a virus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't really do much about the population beyond trying to get more people to have less kids.

But that won't really solve the issue of CO2 output. As the CO2 levels need to be dropped now. In fact they needed to be dropped 20-30 years ago.

Even if you cut the population by half overnight you'd still have several decades of lag effect on the CO2 levels dropping to a point where the heat reduces enough to make a difference.

The two factors are also not mutually exclusive. Part of the drive to switch to renewable is driven by the need to meet energy demands for so many people.

And equally part of the drive to lower the population increase is to cope with the day to day CO2 outputs that require renewables to cope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mama earth with have the final say and find a way.

I salute everyone who takes on some responsibility for their impact whilst here on the planet.

I love hearing my 7 year old daughter as the schools begin to include environmental awareness.

Any bit we can do .. I salute the the people who are defending the earth and its inhabitants. "

I love your outlook is your choice of name on here anything to do with your outlook x?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personilly I believe it's a number of contributory causes..over population leads to more pollution and land development, more pressure on the resources required and the human being is very insistent and demanding on nature, often without regard for what toll it will take upon the planet itself, but there is also the natural cycle of the planet itself. It has changed over millenia and will continue to do so..alas man has influenced faster changes and will continue to do so ton fulfill humankinds desires..personally, and I may get hammered for this, I believe we need to look at ourselves and remember we are not a special dominant species, we are just another species and are equally vulnerable to all other life forms..if the humble bee dies or the insect life reduces which it is fast..it affects us in this circle of life here as much as everything else. I'm afraid I do believe humankind will be their own downfall. Sheep crossed with jellyfish, anthrax played with by eager scientists, large mountains flattened and strip mined..indigenous people moved along from their lands in the name of progress..would be nice to think people will use this time to reflect on the essential things in life.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"The real cause of climate change are scientists ..

How ignorant not a clue"

Correct.. they don't have a scooby !

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise.

Think the major cause is all those people eating all those animals which emit all that gas, plus the land clearance to provide pasture etc for them, and then all the water required for both them andd the laa d, and then the carbon footprint of transporting them. So yes if we all do 'our bit' by eating less /no meat that would go a long way to easing the crisis. So in a round about way you're right.

"

No meat.. you are deluded

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By *rssexy mrbitvCouple
over a year ago

Antrim


"Personilly I believe it's a number of contributory causes..over population leads to more pollution and land development, more pressure on the resources required and the human being is very insistent and demanding on nature, often without regard for what toll it will take upon the planet itself, but there is also the natural cycle of the planet itself. It has changed over millenia and will continue to do so..alas man has influenced faster changes and will continue to do so ton fulfill humankinds desires..personally, and I may get hammered for this, I believe we need to look at ourselves and remember we are not a special dominant species, we are just another species and are equally vulnerable to all other life forms..if the humble bee dies or the insect life reduces which it is fast..it affects us in this circle of life here as much as everything else. I'm afraid I do believe humankind will be their own downfall. Sheep crossed with jellyfish, anthrax played with by eager scientists, large mountains flattened and strip mined..indigenous people moved along from their lands in the name of progress..would be nice to think people will use this time to reflect on the essential things in life. "

well said

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The global heating temperature increases have come from how we have chosen to live.

We've known about the problem that we've caused for decades but chosen not to alter our lifestyles.

Predominantly an oil based dependance has caused this global heating.

Without changing population levels, if we'd switched our dependency from oil, we would have limited the levels of heating.

Responsibility rests with leaders and citizens but leaders like Trump are racing towards catastrophes for future generations, with increasing likelihood.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

barbecues all that charcoal burning

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss


"barbecues all that charcoal burning "

Of all the thousands of threads you could have chose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"barbecues all that charcoal burning

Of all the thousands of threads you could have chose "
i chose thousands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just a thought--- if we killed off all the politicians look at all the hot air that would vanish plus the greed and corruption, they are the ones that if they had their way-especially that numpty in the white house,they will take us all to armmagedon!!!

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Population growth drives our economic model, everything about capitalism relies on continuous growth. Whether that’s right or wrong it’s a fact, you can only grow companies so much before you need more consumers

Africa’s population is set to double by 2050 and we are responding with investment and huge increase in infrastructure and services with the money from them flowing back into the countries as well as markets in London and New York to provide pensions, jobs, research and development in UK universities.

This in turn will provide education to females in Africa and that’s how you slow population growth

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "

It's a well established fact that when civilization is pressured socially and economically, birth rates skyrocket. The western world has seen its fertility and population stagnate / drop precisely because a lot of this pressure is less than poorer countries. If you want to address the overpopulation issue, you have to start with global wealth inequality. A lot of third world countries would see a dramatic dip in their birthrates if they actually had a sizeable middle class. You have to forgive debt to these countries and allow them to develop, rather than trapping them with loan sharking from the IMF and World Bank which just serve to asset strip them while keeping their population in perpetual destitution.

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over a year ago

A large factor into the increasing population is longer life expectancy.

So unless you’re suggesting a cull of the elderly when they reach a certain age, shrinking the worlds population isn’t the quick fix answer. There isn’t one

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Oil dependency caused it, through overuse.

Severe reductions in oil use will help to redress the damage already caused. All without changing populations.

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over a year ago

Ever increasing population are you joking There is more than enough space for people to live in and prosper.

No the destructiveness is caused by those who have no respect for nature...

and a system that has forced people into cities.

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over a year ago


"Just putting this out there, am I the only one that thinks this way.

The real cause of climate change is not of the pollution from transport, power stations, industry or food production. If there were no people there would be none of these contributing factors so why is no one addressing the real cause which is the ever increasing population on the planet. We really need to get this under control for the long-term sustainability of our wonderful world. Yes we need to take immediate action to reduce the greenhouse gas emission of each individual but in the long term if the population continues to grow the total greenhouse gas emissions will continue to rise. "
The planet will still be here before we are all gone.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Industrialised nations

Now most of the world is in this category

So we’ve outstayed our welcome on this planet before we destroy it

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over a year ago


"Industrialised nations

Now most of the world is in this category

So we’ve outstayed our welcome on this planet before we destroy it"
hit nail head

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