FabSwingers.com forum: Madeline McCann

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The ongoing review of the Madeleine McCann case offers the “best opportunity” to solve the mystery because it is the first time information from all sources has been pooled, a detective has claimed.

So after 5 years they will reopen the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mystery to me (as I put on here some time ago) was why her parents left three little children on their own in the first place. They wouldn't have done it at home so why when abroad made it right to do so. I feel for whatever happened to the little girl, but have no sympathy whatsoever for the parents as they should NEVER have been left alone.

The one I think that should be re-opened and I have got every sympathy for the parents is the Ben Needham case where he disappeared whilst playing outside in his grandparents garden. His mother was on GMTV a while back he would be 21 I think this year. This has never got a fraction of the coverage of the McCann case, but there again he just came from an ordinary family. He didn't have the luxury of having Doctors for parents!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I completely agree, had your average Mr & Mrs 'Smith' done that they would of faced prosecution and the other children taken into care, or can you imagine the uproar if it had been a single mum!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I completely agree I think the Portugese Police had the right idea with the McCanns being involved but the police got shut down by thinking about it.

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By *all-Eddies QosCouple
over a year ago

wirral

i have 4 children of my own and really couldnt imagine anything like that happening to any of mine and being able to function.

But it has been 5 years, i hope she has been well looked after and loved, but the reality is....shes probably being very badly treated and abused in everyway possible.

I would rather be dead than suffer like that. ( and as a sufferer of childhood abuse, I know what i am talking about).

Such a sad sad situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to her

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

"I completely agree, had your average Mr & Mrs 'Smith' done that they would of faced prosecution and the other children taken into care, or can you imagine the uproar if it had been a single mum!!!"

I know someone who has just had this happen to her - although the kids were 8 and 15ish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to her"
No they haven't, no where near enough!

They're guilty of neglect at the very least, and whatever that poor child has/was/is being subjected to is 100% their fault too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

is there such a thing as "enough blame" for people who left three babies alone in an apartment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That was a total freak. how many people do the same thing while on holiday. They were next door. No further away than someone with a big house would be from their kids. I think shes dead personally they just haven't found the body and probably never will, happens quite often. Horribly unfortunate story good luck too them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She's had a lot of publicity over the years .10 pages on the Sun have were used to plug Kate's book about Maddie. Anybody would think she was the first mum to have her kid taken away because she couldn't be arsed to look after it properly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That was a total freak. how many people do the same thing while on holiday. They were next door. No further away than someone with a big house would be from their kids. I think shes dead personally they just haven't found the body and probably never will, happens quite often. Horribly unfortunate story good luck too them."
Next door?

You obviously never saw the layout of the complex, where their apartment was and then the location of the restaurant they were at!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"That was a total freak. how many people do the same thing while on holiday. ."

The irresponsible people do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

No they was'nt completely different being in own home and in another country they were at the other side of the complex eating dinner in the restaurant. Normal parents would either take the children with them or use onsite babysitting services they did neither and left all three children alone. All three were left but only oe taken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I completely agree I think the Portugese Police had the right idea with the McCanns being involved but the police got shut down by thinking about it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I completely agree I think the Portugese Police had the right idea with the McCanns being involved but the police got shut down by thinking about it.

Just like in the Ben Neadham case..the last person to see them,seem to know more than what they are admitting.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the McCann's are always going to be a polarising subject just because some people will always think they have been thru so much, while others will think they have got away with it...

upper middle class and photogenic, if that had happened to another "family" i don't the press would have been the same....

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Plenty of people do dumb ass shit with regards to neglecting the safety of their kids, so even though it doesn’t in anyway excuse the McCann’s, they are not on their own.

What gets on my tits is the amount of coverage and support the press give them…. which must be a real slap in the face for those other parents who have had children taken and never get mentioned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plenty of people do dumb ass shit with regards to neglecting the safety of their kids, so even though it doesn’t in anyway excuse the McCann’s, they are not on their own.

What gets on my tits is the amount of coverage and support the press give them…. which must be a real slap in the face for those other parents who have had children taken and never get mentioned.

The media circus latches on to one couple and twists the facts for paper sales. They are not the only couple who have made a mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plenty of people do dumb ass shit with regards to neglecting the safety of their kids, so even though it doesn’t in anyway excuse the McCann’s, they are not on their own.

What gets on my tits is the amount of coverage and support the press give them…. which must be a real slap in the face for those other parents who have had children taken and never get mentioned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to her"

No, its just another example of the inequalities within society. Because they're 'middle class professionals', its assumed that they're responsible parents who will put their children first.

Had this been a 'working class' family social services would most definately have been involved and charges of neglect brought about. The irrisponsibility of the parents would certainly not have been swept under the carpet, while the mother plugs her book!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to her

No, its just another example of the inequalities within society. Because they're 'middle class professionals', its assumed that they're responsible parents who will put their children first.

the money they make funded the private investigation after the case was dropped

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to her

No, its just another example of the inequalities within society. Because they're 'middle class professionals', its assumed that they're responsible parents who will put their children first.

the money they make funded the private investigation after the case was dropped"

An investigation which should never have been required in the first place

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

My heart goes out to any parent that as lost a child no matter where in the world. It's good that they get to use the press for good after all the crap they cause else where. The portaguesse goverment does not seem to be bothered from all the coverage so let our police look at it and see if they as good as we all hope. When they finished with that let them go though all the other missing kids files just to keep them busy and show how bothered we are about our children.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to her

No, its just another example of the inequalities within society. Because they're 'middle class professionals', its assumed that they're responsible parents who will put their children first.

the money they make funded the private investigation after the case was dropped"

And the money they are still making? After all this time just how much is there left to investigate?

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to her

No, its just another example of the inequalities within society. Because they're 'middle class professionals', its assumed that they're responsible parents who will put their children first.

the money they make funded the private investigation after the case was dropped

And the money they are still making? After all this time just how much is there left to investigate?

I would have thought quite a bit as been left out, I know if it was one of mine I would never be able to give in until they were found

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By *onnoisseur100Man
over a year ago

Woking-ish

"Plenty of people do dumb ass shit with regards to neglecting the safety of their kids, so even though it doesn’t in anyway excuse the McCann’s, they are not on their own.

What gets on my tits is the amount of coverage and support the press give them…. which must be a real slap in the face for those other parents who have had children taken and never get mentioned.

The media circus latches on to one couple and twists the facts for paper sales. They are not the only couple who have made a mistake. "

No but they are the only couple that had Max Clifford working for them, which got them the column inches, donations and book deal. It also put off the authorities from charging them with neglect. Which I think they should be. They are very lucky that the other two weren't taken at the same time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well she hasnt been found yet so theres still stones left unturned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sometimes theres not a happy ending, and I sadly think that this will be one.

I really hope I'm proven wrong

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to her

No, its just another example of the inequalities within society. Because they're 'middle class professionals', its assumed that they're responsible parents who will put their children first.

the money they make funded the private investigation after the case was dropped

And the money they are still making? After all this time just how much is there left to investigate?

I would have thought quite a bit as been left out, I know if it was one of mine I would never be able to give in until they were found "

They must have hired really shit investigators for the last few years then.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

for every Madeline McCann, Sara Payne, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman and Milly Dowler.... there is lets a Damilola Taylor...

certain types of "people" are good for newspapers.. and news programmes.. and therefore stay in the limelight for a lot longer....

in america it is called "pretty white girl syndrome".....

girls from "respectable" middle-class families and backgrounds whose parents used the news media effectively.... where as in contrast, the street murder of Damilola Taylor initially received little news coverage, with reports initially concentrating upon street crime levels and community policing, and largely ignoring the victim.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

The only people I feel really sorry for in all of this ... their other kids. What a great childhood they have had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"for every Madeline McCann, Sara Payne, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman and Milly Dowler.... there is lets a Damilola Taylor...

certain types of "people" are good for newspapers.. and news programmes.. and therefore stay in the limelight for a lot longer....

in america it is called "pretty white girl syndrome".....

was it though? i'm sure that there was a hell of a lot of coverage of Damilola at the time, or was it just that i had a son of the same age at the time so it felt so raw to read

is it really still the case in this day and age that there are still racial and class inequalities within the press, i ask as i do not read them so i cannot judge, if it is then i'm shocked i would of liked to of thought our world had moved forward somewhat in the last few decades

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i have always found the mccanns sinister in this case! even in their statements there are glaring inconsistesies! but apart from that! if you were the parents of a kid that had just recently gone missing two days before, would you sit for a family album with your other two kids as if nothing had happened? (which happened and was printed in the sun at the time) i personally would have been so inconsolable i wouldnt have been able to function properly, never mind top up the family album!!

plus, if they had nothing to hide, why refuse to go back and be questioned by police? wouldnt this have helped hjn their effort to find out exactly what happened?

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By *onnoisseur100Man
over a year ago

Woking-ish

"for every Madeline McCann, Sara Payne, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman and Milly Dowler.... there is lets a Damilola Taylor...

certain types of "people" are good for newspapers.. and news programmes.. and therefore stay in the limelight for a lot longer....

in america it is called "pretty white girl syndrome".....

So Max Clifford, a well known PR specialist, HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it then.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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"for every Madeline McCann, Sara Payne, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman and Milly Dowler.... there is lets a Damilola Taylor...

certain types of "people" are good for newspapers.. and news programmes.. and therefore stay in the limelight for a lot longer....

in america it is called "pretty white girl syndrome".....

So Max Clifford, a well known PR specialist, HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it then.

And why was Max so interested in *cough* helping?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

good on the Mccans for never giving up on their daughter. They will regret that choice for the rest of their lives and i doubt any amount of abuse hurled at them by the public will hurt them anymore than they already are.

If it was my little one who was missing id be massively grateful of the publicity no matter how it came about.

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By *ap AdgeMan
over a year ago

Wirral

Difficult one to call

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"for every Madeline McCann, Sara Payne, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman and Milly Dowler.... there is lets a Damilola Taylor...

certain types of "people" are good for newspapers.. and news programmes.. and therefore stay in the limelight for a lot longer....

in america it is called "pretty white girl syndrome".....

To be fair Fabio, I don't think Damilola is a fair comparison as he was murdered and it is known as a fact to be the case.

Ames Glover would have been a better choice. The 5 month old baby abducted from his dad's car (whilst he went to the bank and to pick up a takeaway) in Southall London.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"for every Madeline McCann, Sara Payne, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman and Milly Dowler.... there is lets a Damilola Taylor...

certain types of "people" are good for newspapers.. and news programmes.. and therefore stay in the limelight for a lot longer....

in america it is called "pretty white girl syndrome".....

i think there is a difference between those instances you mention! damilola was KNOWN to have been murdered which was itself tragic! but madeline WASNT KNOWN to have been murdered! she went missing in tragic circumstances and people will always wonder and speculate as to what happened to her! hence the publicity the case recieves! i feel personally that there will never be ENOUGH publicity in such cases as missing children, because it keeps the public awareness going and shows those children they will NEVER be forgotten!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My gut instincts were bang on from day one regarding Ian Huntley in the Soham murders! and i have a feeling my instincts regarding Maddie, what happened to her and who was responsible will not be far wrong either! Hope i'm proved wrong! but seriously doubt it.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"good on the Mccans for never giving up on their daughter. They will regret that choice for the rest of their lives and i doubt any amount of abuse hurled at them by the public will hurt them anymore than they already are.

If it was my little one who was missing id be massively grateful of the publicity no matter how it came about."

At what cost?

I’m not saying their other kids could just forget they had another sister, but they were young enough to (for want of a better phrase) get over it and eventually return to some sort of out of the spotlight normality and enjoy the one and only childhood they will ever get. As it stands, they are the silent victims of stolen childhoods.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it was my little one who was missing id be massively grateful of the publicity no matter how it came about.

At what cost?

until shes found dead or alive you cant forget and you cant stop looking. im not even a parent but i know thats the case

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"i have always found the Mccanns sinister in this case! even in their statements there are glaring inconsistesies! but apart from that! if you were the parents of a kid that had just recently gone missing two days before, would you sit for a family album with your other two kids as if nothing had happened? (which happened and was printed in the sun at the time) i personally would have been so inconsolable i wouldnt have been able to function properly, never mind top up the family album!!

plus, if they had nothing to hide, why refuse to go back and be questioned by police? wouldnt this have helped hjn their effort to find out exactly what happened? "

Sinister.. The perfect word to use about the McCann’s. Two doctors who wanted a quiet evening without the kids, who left them on their own in a strange apartment without anyone looking out for them… Who in their right minds would have done this when they were on the other side of the complex?

What if they had woken in between the times that the McCann’s said they checked? I have heard every time from 30 minutes to 2 hours between visits! The only way to ensure they didn’t wake was to help them like only a doctor can… Sleeping draught! Of course just my opinion, but as the police found a (very small) forensic evidence in their hire car, who is to say that they didn’t overdo it and found her dead on one of their visits?

Also, If she was taken, why take the child that can talk and knows the parents names and would miss them and then leave behind two babies who would be so much easier to take? Just doesn’t add up!

Obviously I don’t know what happened, but whether they are guilty of child neglect or something more serious, they ARE guilty and they should have had the full forces of the law on the

Polo has it spot on..

"The only people I feel really sorry for in all of this ... their other kids. What a great childhood they have had."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poor little child is dead I reckon. Must be awful for the parents to have to live with but maybe one day the body will turn up so they can put her to rest at last

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Completely agree with the above, they should NEVER have left the kids alone.

Even being in the wrong my heart still goes out to them, that's not a price to pay for making a mistake no matter how big it was. My sympathy to the family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe the McCanns were irresponsible and extremely selfish to leave 3 young children unsupervised whilst having a meal on holiday. Its nothing that isn't done by hundreds of parents in various holiday resorts ov er the world. Even with babysitting services offered in resorts, kids are only checked on a rota basis. I don't know if the sitters go into the rooms or whether they listen at the door, I would never personally use them, but its not a measure of security and in fact anyone watching for a few hours could pick up the ritual, as I believe may have happened in the McCanns case.

I don't begrudge any of the publicity or how they've sold themselves to the media. Keeping the child visible is more likely to succeed then giving up. And I don't think there's many mothers who would think 'oh I've got two more, what the hell, let's give up on the one that was taken'.

As every family who have been victims of murder or kidnapping etc, I doubt life would ever be the same. And yes the whole family will suffer the legacy of that fateful day.

I wish they'd find her, the ongoing suffering must be unbearable. And if indded the McCanns are responsible, and I personally don't believe they are, then let's see justice done. Sadly I don't think it will be solved anytime soon.

But I certainly can understand why the McCanns want the constant media pressure. Any parent would want the same. Yeah of course the journalists and publicists are doing it for their own ends and the McCanns know this. I expect they'd decided that selling their soul to the media devils is a worthy price to pay that may lead to information on their daughter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow, everyone has an opinion on a case where the only 'facts' one can based one's views upon are those printed in the guttersnipe press. Kangaroo court anyone?

Whatever the McCanns did or did not do that fateful night they have had to live with for five long years, and I'm sure they must have punished themselves every second that has passed between then and now more than anyone else possibly can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow, everyone has an opinion on a case where the only 'facts' one can based one's views upon are those printed in the guttersnipe press. Kangaroo court anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

plus, if they had nothing to hide, why refuse to go back and be questioned by police? wouldnt this have helped hjn their effort to find out exactly what happened?

Also, If she was taken, why take the child that can talk and knows the parents names and would miss them and then leave behind two babies who would be so much easier to take? Just doesn’t add up!

Obviously I don’t know what happened, but whether they are guilty of child neglect or something more serious, they ARE guilty and they should have had the full forces of the law on the

Polo has it spot on..

The only people I feel really sorry for in all of this ... their other kids. What a great childhood they have had.

rumor... you have had the balls to put what i've been thinking all along but didnt like to

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By *onnoisseur100Man
over a year ago

Woking-ish

"for every Madeline McCann, Sara Payne, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman and Milly Dowler.... there is lets a Damilola Taylor...

certain types of "people" are good for newspapers.. and news programmes.. and therefore stay in the limelight for a lot longer....

in america it is called "pretty white girl syndrome".....

So Max Clifford, a well known PR specialist, HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it then.

And why was Max so interested in *cough* helping?"

Lol, for his own enrichment I should think, but _abio was implying, that the only reason the mccanns got the media time was because they were white middle class and well off, I'm simply pointing out that Max is almost certainly solely responsible for that.

I wish he did the same for all the others mentioned, but you'd have to ask him as to why not.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"Wow, everyone has an opinion on a case where the only 'facts' one can based one's views upon are those printed in the guttersnipe press. Kangaroo court anyone?

Guttersnipe press?? As a self confessed avid reader of the sun, how does that make you feel that you are perpetuating that type of journalism?

Of course everyone has an opinion on the case, it is human nature to take what we have seen and heard to make judgements, despite what people on here say... Given the FACTS then... The McCanns left three children on their own in an apartment that was a good seven minutes walk away from where they were.. Seven there, seven back and five minutes to check on the kids.. Close on 20 minutes out of every 60 minutes? May just have taken them with them!

20 minutes out of every hour would have been a chore, especially to parents who would leave their children on their own, in a strange room, in a strange country...

She was there at 9 but gone by 10? That narrows the "Abduction" timing down to a 40 minute slot!

As Polo said, this is not just about the five years the parents have had to endure, it is also about those twins who were around a year old at the time. being subjected to the media and having parents, so wracked with guilt, that they seem to travel while the kids are looked after elsewhere.

It may have been a stupid mistake, but it has never been judged so after all this time, it is too late.. Of course I feel for them.. If it was just a stupid mistake, they are paying for it big time. But if it were more sinister? Apart from guilt, they have got away with it!

Search for Gerry McCann-abuse of power on Google and look at all the evidence put together.. Look at the interviews where Gerry and Kate refuse to answer questions. Where they openly admit that Maddy was a "problem" child..

Just one last comment on this thread.. Whatever happened, we all have to realise that a young life has been changed or snuffed out forever. This is not someone who was negligent to an animal, bad though that may be. This is a couple who left three children, under the age of five alone as stated above... All alone! For that alone, they should suffer long and hard....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok facts only

1. They left the kids alone, biggest mistake ever and they have to live with that.

2. That little girl has gone, probably forever but hopefully not.

3. Never any real eveidence to suggest foul play from the parents. Or they would be in jail right now.

Yes they did wrong big time and yes the truth is not yet known as to the whereabouts of Maddie. So yes they should sell their books and do whatever they can to find the truth and hopefully their daughter. All the shit that has been printed about them makes ppl think that a proper investigation to find her is a waste of time. Did they do it? Maybe! Are they genuine grieving parents of an abducted kid? Maybe!

Until anyone knows for sure the main point should be NEVER stop looking until we know and any views on the parents should be put aside. It's not really about Maddie anymore is just about the McCanns and that's wrong.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"Ok facts only

1. They left the kids alone, biggest mistake ever and they have to live with that.

2. That little girl has gone, probably forever but hopefully not.

3. Never any real eveidence to suggest foul play from the parents. Or they would be in jail right now.

Fact 1 is not a fact only their word for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get a grip! Attitudes like that have hampered the search from day 1. Fact!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Get a grip! Attitudes like that have hampered the search from day 1. Fact! "

well if 'fact' 1 isn't a fact,which it isn't,as sam says the poice only have their word for it then that would have hampered the search more than anything else.

In 'fact' if 'fact' 1 is a lie the whole thing is built on a lie.

I have no idea about the truth of any of it but you can't claim they left the kids in the room as fact. only they know that anything else is conjecture

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Utter bullshit! So any evidence ever given should be set aside as rubbish? Guilty until proven innocent now?

As before it's attitudes like yours that have stopped a proper search. Imagine if it was your kid? I have kids and my main goal would be to find my daughter, not constantly trying to defend myself to people who clearly are not interested in helping.

I for one hope they find her alive and any blame to the parents other than leaving them alone finally put to rest.

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over a year ago

" So any evidence ever given should be set aside as rubbish?

Evidence that suggests proof and evidence that proves truth are not the same thing..but then I don't have to worry about it as we never left our kids exposed to the same danger for the sake of getting pissed in a bar

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"Utter bullshit! So any evidence ever given should be set aside as rubbish? Guilty until proven innocent now?

I for one hope they find her alive and any blame to the parents other than leaving them alone finally put to rest.

I think you're letting your emotions get the better of you - you were quoting facts - one of which isnt a fact as there is no eveidence to back it up just the word of what some people consider the prime suspects. If there wasn't a child involved would you believe anyone who just said "it wasn't me guv"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Google Goncalo Amaral's book, "Maddie: The forbidden Investigation" it makes interesting reading.

This book was/is banned from being printed in the UK.

He originally headed the police investigation.

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over a year ago

Yes I would, or at the very least give them the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't hang someone without as much as a trial. That's exactly what's happend here without looking at the most important issue.

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over a year ago

Yes and was more interested in making a fortune from it. Again the important issue here is forgotten.

There's a kid missing ............ Oh let's write a best seller that will get massive publicity.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Utter bullshit! So any evidence ever given should be set aside as rubbish? Guilty until proven innocent now?

I for one hope they find her alive and any blame to the parents other than leaving them alone finally put to rest.

Ok calm down please. It is a good debate and should be able to be debated without aggression.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"Yes and was more interested in making a fortune from it. Again the important issue here is forgotten.

There's a kid missing ............ Oh let's write a best seller that will get massive publicity. "

Hang on a minute we all know that they are guilty of neglect by their own admission - as has been pointed out they most other people would have been prosecuted for that at the very least. It seems that no one will ever know the truth of what happened but it was their neglect in one way or another that has led to this little gorl go missing.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Wow, everyone has an opinion on a case where the only 'facts' one can based one's views upon are those printed in the guttersnipe press. Kangaroo court anyone?

Which gutterpress?

Either way, what people read in a newspaper or on the internet they can still make their minds up themselves surely ......probably the same way you do when you read your papers?

My views are, they left their children alone while they went and sat in a Tapos bar eating. No food or night out is worth what happened next.

They were irresponsible....and before anyone says "lots of people do it" then yes, lots of people in my eyes are irresponsible and I would never have dreamt of doing it.

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over a year ago

I agree! And they should have been prosecuted for that. Although I think they have had punishment enough being without their daughter for years, they have to live with their decisions of that night and if someone abducted their daughter as a result of their neglect then they suffer daily with that thought. Still ....... Are they murderers?

Only the McCanns know if they are guilty of any other crime here. They would have cracked long ago at the death of their daughter if they had a hand in it. Or maybe not! Either way innocent until proven otherwise.

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over a year ago

"Wow, everyone has an opinion on a case where the only 'facts' one can based one's views upon are those printed in the guttersnipe press. Kangaroo court anyone?

Which gutterpress?

Either way, what people read in a newspaper or on the internet they can still make their minds up themselves surely ......probably the same way you do when you read your papers?

My views are, they left their children alone while they went and sat in a Tapos bar eating. No food or night out is worth what happened next.

They were irresponsible....and before anyone says "lots of people do it" then yes, lots of people in my eyes are irresponsible and I would never have dreamt of doing it."

Agree!

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over a year ago

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"I agree! And they should have been prosecuted for that. Although I think they have had punishment enough being without their daughter for years, they have to live with their decisions of that night and if someone abducted their daughter as a result of their neglect then they suffer daily with that thought. Still ....... Are they murderers?

Only they will know that to be honest unless some evidence comes forward.

Now I have read some things that just don't make any sense, so something is suspect, and although I am half in half as to wether they had something to do with it....would anyone keep it in the media all the time if they did murder her?....or is that a smokescreen too and they think they are untouchable?

Who knows....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple fact the kids should never have been alone x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Simple fact the kids should never have been alone x "

Its a great thing to have hindsight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still think that a tragic accident befell Madeleine and her parents and friends covered it up.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Simple fact the kids should never have been alone x

Its a great thing to have hindsight."

An even better thing to have is some common sense....and then in this instance there would have been no need for hindsight.

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over a year ago

"Simple fact the kids should never have been alone x

Its a great thing to have hindsight.

An even better thing to have is some common sense....and then in this instance there would have been no need for hindsight."

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I still think that a tragic accident befell Madeleine and her parents and friends covered it up. "

so do i ... i think they over tranquilised by accident.

why only take one child ???

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

The phrase is PRESUMED innocent until found guilty by a court of law. They can still be guilty but unless they are ever tried for a crime we will never know

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"I still think that a tragic accident befell Madeleine and her parents and friends covered it up.

so do i ... i think they over tranquilised by accident.

why only take one child ???"

"shopping to order" it's likely that they were looking for a certain type of child - plus a sinle person would find it hard to carry off 3 children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how you gonna carry 3 kids out and not draw attention to yourself

whoever took her had her in their sights and was waiting for the right opportunity for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so, either they were keeping an eye on the child, or just happened to try that door of that room in the whole complex is the only other options to over tranquilisation so they could have a nice peaceful, worry free night out.

just dont get the bit about the happy family photo shoot shortly after... or the fact that the father kept his appointment for a game of tennis the day after she vanished.... and while i'm at it... what about her hair being found in the boot of the hire car that was hired after the crime

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over a year ago

"I still think that a tragic accident befell Madeleine and her parents and friends covered it up.

so do i ... i think they over tranquilised by accident.

why only take one child ???"

because when they got back one one child was dead?

They found the childs blood in the boot of a hire car that the parents hired 3 days after the child went missing, it was assumed that they hired a car to move the body, and even tho they had no explination as to how her blood got in the car after she had been reported missing nothing ever came of it, without a body its very hard to press charges so all they have to do is make sure the bodys never found

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

What ever happened to that boy that went missing in Crete? I know change of subject but I was just wondering?

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over a year ago

"What ever happened to that boy that went missing in Crete? I know change of subject but I was just wondering? "
Ben Needham....the last person to see him was his uncle....?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"What ever happened to that boy that went missing in Crete? I know change of subject but I was just wondering? Ben Needham....the last person to see him was his uncle....?"

Oh right. I was too young to remember I might read up on it. As far as Maddie goes only the person/people will ever know the truth and I have a feeling they will take it to their graves. I can't believe the stupidity of the parents you might be intelligent and be doctors but don't mean you have common sense.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"so, either they were keeping an eye on the child, or just happened to try that door of that room in the whole complex is the only other options to over tranquilisation so they could have a nice peaceful, worry free night out.

It was blood that was found I think. I can understand a hair being found, that could have been taken in there by the parents clothes....but blood is a different thing altogether.

Did he really go play tennis the day after?

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over a year ago

It was blood that was found I think. I can understand a hair being found, that could have been taken in there by the parents clothes....but blood is a different thing altogether.

Did he really go play tennis the day after?"

as i remember from the initial reports, yes he did

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and here is the initial report

THE father of Madeleine McCann stunned hotel staff by organising a game of tennis while the massive hunt for his daughter was under way, it was revealed yesterday. Waiter Jose Baptista, 45, told how the staff were amazed by the calm demeanour of Gerry McCann and his wife Kate in the agonising days after Madeleine disappeared. Heart specialist Gerry, 39, is also said to have regularly wandered down to the tapas bar at the family’s holiday complex where he was given free bottles of wine to take back to his apartment. Mr Baptista added that staff at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz rarely saw the McCanns display any emotion away from the TV cameras. “If my kid disappeared I’d go insane. I wouldn’t be able to function. They’d have to lock me away,” said Mr Baptista. “They were so cool about it. All the staff commented about how they were able to play tennis and take things calmly. Everybody around them seemed more upset than they were.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and here is the initial report

And the translation from Portuguese to English was done by which paper?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and here is the initial report

Really? Now that's shocking!

Did the Sun print that by any chance? Oh that's right they are so devious and cunning lets look like everything is ok.

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over a year ago

"and here is the initial report

Really? Now that's shocking!

Did the Sun print that by any chance? Oh that's right they are so devious and cunning lets look like everything is ok. "

the sun did cover this story i believe... but so did all the others

choose your media ... its on them all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It must be true then.

Oh dear. Ffs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and here is the initial report

Really? Now that's shocking!

Did the Sun print that by any chance? Oh that's right they are so devious and cunning lets look like everything is ok.

the sun did cover this story i believe... but so did all the others

choose your media ... its on them all"

the copy & paste i done here is from a tennis blog.... nothing to do with the sun.... oh ... and it was a spanish tennis blog... not english or portugese

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It must be true then.

Oh dear. Ffs! "

read the whole post ...it does say choose your media ... be it paper, t.v. or radio ... they all reported on it

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over a year ago

"It must be true then.

Oh dear. Ffs!

read the whole post ...it does say choose your media ... be it paper, t.v. or radio ... they all reported on it"

Again ..... So it must be true then? You believe everything you read? Surprised the police don't convict people on the basis of printed stories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i know a woman that worked at the complex 12 months prior to this happening she worked there as a nanny the complex offerd this service to all familys so there was no need for them to leave the children alone parents 100% to blame just hope this poor girl is still alive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It must be true then.

Oh dear. Ffs!

read the whole post ...it does say choose your media ... be it paper, t.v. or radio ... they all reported on it

Again ..... So it must be true then? You believe everything you read? Surprised the police don't convict people on the basis of printed stories.

again ... read ALL the post ... not just printed stories ... t.v. and radio too.

do you read the whole of profiles too ??

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over a year ago

"i know a woman that worked at the complex 12 months prior to this happening she worked there as a nanny the complex offerd this service to all familys so there was no need for them to leave the children alone parents 100% to blame just hope this poor girl is still alive "

Awww she must be to blame then for leaving the complex short of nanny staff. Jail her it's all her fault!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to herNo they haven't, no where near enough!

They're guilty of neglect at the very least, and whatever that poor child has/was/is being subjected to is 100% their fault too!"

I would imagine having to live with the knowledge of what has happened day in day out is more of a punishment than the courts could dish out. Also people stating the obvious afterwards using hindsight moves the debate no further on. You seem to be making out the parents giving the opportunity for a crime to be committed makes them as guilty as the person who actually committed the crime (be that murder, abduction or whatever)

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to herNo they haven't, no where near enough!

They're guilty of neglect at the very least, and whatever that poor child has/was/is being subjected to is 100% their fault too!

Thank you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and here is the initial report

Really? Now that's shocking!

Did the Sun print that by any chance? Oh that's right they are so devious and cunning lets look like everything is ok.

the sun did cover this story i believe... but so did all the others

choose your media ... its on them all

the copy & paste i done here is from a tennis blog.... nothing to do with the sun.... oh ... and it was a spanish tennis blog... not english or portugese"

So its come from an unsubstantiated blog then? One which has a translation from Portuguese to Spanish then English. I don't think personally I would be quoting it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and here is the initial report

Really? Now that's shocking!

Did the Sun print that by any chance? Oh that's right they are so devious and cunning lets look like everything is ok.

the sun did cover this story i believe... but so did all the others

choose your media ... its on them all

the copy & paste i done here is from a tennis blog.... nothing to do with the sun.... oh ... and it was a spanish tennis blog... not english or portugese

So its come from an unsubstantiated blog then? One which has a translation from Portuguese to Spanish then English. I don't think personally I would be quoting it. "

there is plenty of others to choose from darkthoughts... just this one was at the top of the page lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some of the people here think they are in the Stories and Fantasy section of the forum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mystery to me (as I put on here some time ago) was why her parents left three little children on their own in the first place. They wouldn't have done it at home so why when abroad made it right to do so. I feel for whatever happened to the little girl, but have no sympathy whatsoever for the parents as they should NEVER have been left alone.

my thoughts evactly xx him xx

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over a year ago

"some of the people here think they are in the Stories and Fantasy section of the forum. "

just as a matter of interest was you there at the time to be able to say he didn't?

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over a year ago

"some of the people here think they are in the Stories and Fantasy section of the forum.

just as a matter of interest was you there at the time to be able to say he didn't?"

Nope! But seems everyone else seems to think that they were to say that they did.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I can understand why only one child was taken.

I can understand why someone would pick the eldest daughter and not take the smaller, easier to carry daughter.

What I cannot understand is why an abductor would stick around to tranquilise the other two children and then leave them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"some of the people here think they are in the Stories and Fantasy section of the forum.

just as a matter of interest was you there at the time to be able to say he didn't?

Nope! But seems everyone else seems to think that they were to say that they did. "

they presume its true you presume its fantasy its all just presumption at the end of the day is it not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone else find this thread distasteful?

Poor kid.

I say let the authorities deal with and then everyone can comment and give their views.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Anyone else find this thread distasteful?

Poor kid.

I say let the authorities deal with and then everyone can comment and give their views."

I don't think it is distastful... I am betting that this conversation has come up in rooms and offices all over the country at some point because it is a mystery and it is so high profile......

i think only one person in the thread has raise the tempreture of it, i think most people have been reasoned and have treated the subject apprioately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the McCanns should accept they f**cked up and should have never left their child to go and have dinner.

Totally irresponsible. They weren't thinking about poor Maddie when sipping their drinks and having their meal. Now their daughter's gone, they've suddenly become parents?!

I draw a hard line on the subject and I feel truly sorry for Maddie. The reality is she's probably dead or been trafficked deep into the criminal underworld, where corruption means she'll never be found. She could anywhere in the world today and I dread to think what she's could be going through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone else find this thread distasteful?

Poor kid.

I say let the authorities deal with and then everyone can comment and give their views.

I don't think it is distastful... I am betting that this conversation has come up in rooms and offices all over the country at some point because it is a mystery and it is so high profile......

i think only one person in the thread has raise the tempreture of it, i think most people have been reasoned and have treated the subject apprioately "

Fair point Fabio.

Its a touchy subject for any parent or anyone for that matter but whatever the outcome of the case, no-one will know the exact facts until the guilty are found out and nobody will know the true facts and can only speculate.

Everyone has their opinions and once again on the forums a general post goes sour, seems to be a trend of late.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It must be true then.

Oh dear. Ffs!

read the whole post ...it does say choose your media ... be it paper, t.v. or radio ... they all reported on it

Again ..... So it must be true then? You believe everything you read? Surprised the police don't convict people on the basis of printed stories.

again ... read ALL the post ... not just printed stories ... t.v. and radio too.

do you read the whole of profiles too ??"

Yes I read profiles, doesnt mean to say i believe all the bullshit in them either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

neither do i ... but i refuse to be drawn in by your comments so ... i'm out

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

So the McCanns were the only parents to take advantage of a childminder service offered by a holiday company?

Forget the parents the person here that we need to think of is the child

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By *parrow77Man
over a year ago

cheshire

Ok a kids missing but if they weren't well off doctors the other kids would have been taken away straight away.

There was a coloured cpl last week who's kid had rickets when when hospital the child was taken away an the parents detained as suspect child abuse.

But here is 2 parents left 3 kids in a room while went out to eat and consume alcohol and nothing is done

Ido hope the child is found but think they need to face legal action for the neglect of 3 babies

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

It's a very sad story, one day we will hear the truth

Although I am suprised at the some of the postings made, either the posters have inside knowledge or huge bank accounts and libel lawyers to back them up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the McCanns were the only parents to take advantage of a childminder service offered by a holiday company?

Forget the parents the person here that we need to think of is the child"

Well said Petillante. Poor little mite, can only hope that if she is alive she's being well cared for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will the McCanns get a fair trial if it goes to court?

Guilty or not they won't get a fair trial in the U K as far as I can see and the lynch mob mentality will only make the situation worse.

As I said earlier poor kid, if she's alive will she think her parents bad?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Awww she must be to blame then for leaving the complex short of nanny staff. Jail her it's all her fault! "

There is nothing like an adult debate is there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree and hopefuly the truth will come out one day, or even better Maddie found.

Seems that most here think it should just be dropped, I wouldnt give up if it was my daughter. Good on the McCanns for keeping their daughter in the media spotlight.

Yea they fucked up! No one knows that more than they do.

And I make no apologies here to people who dont like any comments I have made, just imagine if it was your daughter and you were accused of the things said here and in the media. Maybe they should just drop it eh?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Everyone has their opinions and once again on the forums a general post goes sour, seems to be a trend of late. "

I think the debate (apart from a couple of posts which I addressed) has been a good one and has not turned sour at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From a parents point of view they where wrong to leave 3 small children alone and go for a meal, It was irresponsible for them to do so (and yes anyone else that does this is irresponsible as well).

What parent leaves small children in a room in a foreign country?

Why not take them with them?

Why not get a babysitter?

There said they where checking every hour on the children, it only takes a few minutes for a disaster to happen(which sadly in this case is Maddie going missing).

Yes I would be doing everything in my power to find my child, and doing all I could to keep it in the spotlight.

One of the saddest things about this case is the other 2 children, and how this will affect them growing up, and the fact we will probably never know what happened that night.

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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago

southampto

while i hope that maddie is still alive and well i agree with other people on here the parents were at fault for leaving her alone there are plenty of other people who have had their child abducted and not received this much press in fact the detective for the portugese police in charge of the case now retired has written a book that states he believes maddie died in the apartment and he was on the news last night vindicating his theory no parent should leave their child alone anywhere especially this day and age and how much money has all the pr gurus made out of this? and as regards to the parents raising money through charity runs etc and books to fund the private detectives looking for her they wouldnt have had to do it if they had looked after their kids

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I have always believed her to be dead, nothing I have heard or seen since has altered that belief in the slightest....

I would be delighted to be proved wrong in my belief.....totally delighted.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"her parents have had enough blame directed at them. most important thing is finding her or finding out what happened to her

No, its just another example of the inequalities within society. Because they're 'middle class professionals', its assumed that they're responsible parents who will put their children first.

the money they make funded the private investigation after the case was dropped"

Also used to pay their mortgage amongst other expenses after it was refused charitable status. Shocking abuse of people's kindness.

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

I remember 40 plus years ago as a 10 year old at a Pontins camp being put to bed and my parents going out for the evening as a child listening service was offered. If any child was heard crying a tannoy was sent out for the parents.

This is not a new service

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have always believed her to be dead, nothing I have heard or seen since has altered that belief in the slightest....

I would be delighted to be proved wrong in my belief.....totally delighted.

would u really

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By *heekygeordieguyMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

There are some valid comments on this subject, but at the same time there is some utter bulls..t also being posted.Some people tend to forget where this has actually happened and the extent of authority and control is with the Portuguese and not the British. It makes things rather difficult. I would like to make a comment, but for certain and valid reasons I cant. Will let you all come to your own conclusions re that.!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We were on holiday in lanzarote at the same time of her disappearance with our two children. Was appalled that they had left their children alone in the apartment. That thought had never entered our heads to leave the children alone even though the bar was just yards away. Someone who took her must have known this is what they did and took a chance . Portugal is renowned for paedos. They will have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Cant take chances with children.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"We were on holiday in lanzarote at the same time of her disappearance with our two children. Was appalled that they had left their children alone in the apartment. That thought had never entered our heads to leave the children alone even though the bar was just yards away. Someone who took her must have known this is what they did and took a chance . Portugal is renowned for paedos. They will have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Cant take chances with children."

Portugal is renowned for paedos?...really?

Is this based on evidence?.....

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By *heekygeordieguyMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

Portugal is renowned for paedos?...really?

Is this based on evidence?....."

So is the UK.And the evidence can be read in any paper throughout the uk every day in relation to trials that are ongoing.!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Portugal is renowned for paedos?...really?

Is this based on evidence?....."

The Daily Mail said so a few years back..so it must be true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I worked in the travel industry for years, its true. So is Rhyl!!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"There are some valid comments on this subject, but at the same time there is some utter bulls..t also being posted.Some people tend to forget where this has actually happened and the extent of authority and control is with the Portuguese and not the British. It makes things rather difficult. I would like to make a comment, but for certain and valid reasons I cant. Will let you all come to your own conclusions re that.!!!"

I'd rather you just post your comment rather than attempt to guess what you are thinking...

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I worked in the travel industry for years, its true. So is Rhyl!!"

So no real evidence then?

Just your say so.....can you back it up as fact?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I worked in the travel industry for years, its true. So is Rhyl!!

So no real evidence then?

Just your say so.....can you back it up as fact?"

this lady cracks me up. everytime ive seen her pop up in threads its the same pattern of posting

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I worked in the travel industry for years, its true. So is Rhyl!!

So no real evidence then?

Just your say so.....can you back it up as fact?

this lady cracks me up. everytime ive seen her pop up in threads its the same pattern of posting

Why get personal?.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my opinion !!!

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"I worked in the travel industry for years, its true. So is Rhyl!!

So no real evidence then?

Just your say so.....can you back it up as fact?

this lady cracks me up. everytime ive seen her pop up in threads its the same pattern of posting

I have an image in my head of a fire heating metal vessels holding water.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my opinion !!!"

send her a 12 page dossier and she`ll prolly melt

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"my opinion !!!

send her a 12 page dossier and she`ll prolly melt

grow up you're behaving like a child

And as for speaking about someone elses posting style have you looked at how you post yourself? the same can be said for you and the rest of the forum

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By *heekygeordieguyMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

I'd rather you just post your comment rather than attempt to guess what you are thinking..."

Believe me I would love to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Believe me I would love to."

Then by all means do so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive found this thread very interesting. Having previously only known about the McCanns through various media outlets, I just got fed the line that the media were feeding, that the McCanns were the victims and we should all feel sorry for them!

Ive only ever heard a different take on the story from my OH. Who I thought was being a 'grumpy old man' and being unfair,and believed conspiracy theories.

However it appears he shares very similar views to the vast majority of fabsters posting on this thread.

As i dont have any kids, i guess i cant really truly know what any parent is going through who has lost a child. But i am trying to keep an open mind about what happened to Maddie.

And I hope she is still alive and ok.

There are some very interesting points raised here, and i like that people have come out and been honest about how they view the case, even if some find it unpalatable.

Its good to have open debate about this, lets face it, the BBC wouldnt dare have the debate on TV!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the mccanns are british, the tapas 9 are british and most of all madeliene mccann is british! hence, the british authorities CAN go for arrests after they review the case!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have always had quite strong feelings about this case and have never believed the McCann's story.

I fell sorry for the 3 children, but do not have an once of sympathy for the parents. At the very least they were extremely neglectful, at worst... who knows....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

think everyone agrees its parents ultimate responsibility. Mistake or accident its still their fault. But they are making a circus out of it purely to rid themselves of guilt. They know its their own fault.

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By *heekygeordieguyMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

the mccanns are british, the tapas 9 are british and most of all madeliene mccann is british! hence, the british authorities CAN go for arrests after they review the case!! "

I dont recall saying they couldnt.!!!

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By *usty boobsWoman
over a year ago

studley

the mystery is why are the parents not in jail?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the mystery is why are the parents not in jail?"

I think the real mystery here is where is Maddy.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"the mystery is why are the parents not in jail?

I think the real mystery here is where is Maddy. "

Think most people would love her to be found safe and sound

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

I have always thought the parents were in on it in some way or another just that gut feeling you have from you hear about things like that

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By *heekychezzaWoman
over a year ago

warrington

"the mystery is why are the parents not in jail?"

One would think because there is just not enough evidence, and that's not just because there hasn't been a body to be able to determine cause of death. Back in the 80's a local man was convicted of murder and given life imprisonment and the girl's body has never been found. In that case there was evidence which clearly identified the person who was convicted.

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By *usty boobsWoman
over a year ago

studley

The parents arent in jail because they are doctors this would not be anyone from no council estate, the sun and the rest of them would be asking for their heads on a platter. look at the mother in Goa, when they killed her daughter the girl was 15 or 16 at the time and the mother left her in the hotel and he was killed everyone judged her but madeline age 3 or 4 her parents have the publics undying support.

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By *usty boobsWoman
over a year ago

studley

i think the parents killed that child that is my honest belief. i know it might be twisted but i genuinely believe that. If they cant get them for murder surely child neglect and endangerment is still a crime. plus another doosey why do they still have the other 2 children, children have been taken into care for far less. like parent getting imprisoned for not ensuring 15 year olds go to school when they are suppose to.

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By *ouple1234Couple
over a year ago

BELFAST UK

"i think the parents killed that child that is my honest belief. i know it might be twisted but i genuinely believe that. If they cant get them for murder surely child neglect and endangerment is still a crime. plus another doosey why do they still have the other 2 children, children have been taken into care for far less. like parent getting imprisoned for not ensuring 15 year olds go to school when they are suppose to."

100% agree

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

I'd rather you just post your comment rather than attempt to guess what you are thinking...

Believe me I would love to."

Kinda defeats the object of making a contribution to a debate but don't actually say anything

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By *lubPartyPeepsCouple
over a year ago

London

If one holds the belief that she was killed by one or both her parents then you must ask yourself the following questions:

Firstly - was it pre-meditated? ie did they deliberately plan to kill her, I am going to take a wild guess that most people would say 'No', however if your saying yes, then you must ask yourself why would they fly to Portugal to deliberately murder their own daughter with their other children present and 7 other friends in tow and what is the motive for such a complex scheme?

If your answer is, 'They killed her by accident and attempted to cover it up by staging an abduction...'

Then you have to ask yourself the following: Could someone who accidentally killed their own child, do so and then continue to have a normal meal in a restaurant with several other friends and act as though everything was normal? The murder or accident cannot have occured before the dinner (Do the research on all the last actual sightings of Madeline by third parties and you will see this is impossible) so then this means that the 'accident' or 'drug overdose' must have occured during the meal. Which means your then proposing that one parent would have to, during the meal, having discovered the body, come back to the table, acting like nothing has ever happened, and then covertly tell the other parent what has occured, and then they too have to act normal, the two of them in the extremely limited window of time that remains then have to come up with a plan to dispose of the body. At no time did they have any window to collude to do this privately, such a discussion would have to have occured in front of the other people present at the meal.

I put it to you, that this proposition is completely far-fetched and virtually impossible. Yet this is what people claim time and again must have happened.

If this theory is too have even the most remote chance of having happened, then all of the other guests of their party would have to have colluded in the murder. I suggest that scenario is firmly in the realms of fantasy.

I am not defending the parents lack of supervision, that is a separate issue, which yes allowed for whatever did happen, to happen and I am sure they are all too aware of that and will be until the day they die, probably the worst punishment that could be inflicted upon them.

If you read the evidence it seems pretty clear that the person who did the last check on the kids before Madelines mother, did so in a rather cursory fashion, then changed his statement to make it seem as though his check on the children was more thorough. Most likely this occured through guilt of wanting to have been seen to have done a better job than he actually did on the night. (It seems likely Madeline was already gone at this point as he didn't go far into the room to actually see her)

Again putting the parenting issue to one side for the moment (I do not suggest this is unimportant, but merely suggest people open their eyes to other facts) Portugual was at the time of this abduction recovering from a massive child abuse case which had rocked the foundations of their church and high political circles. You can read about this, all the information is in public domain on it. When this all came out a number of very public and high ranking figures were arrested for sex with under age children and the scandal was massive. Children were also abducted in this case, or went missing from covenents and care homes.

There are a great many wider considerations with this case.

If we get any answers remains to be seen.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"If one holds the belief that she was killed by one or both her parents then you must ask yourself the following questions:

If we get any answers remains to be seen."

Your suppositions are wrong on so many levels and I don't have time to take you to task right now, but one point! If it were an accident, overdose of say a sleeping draught, why would they have noticed until the were back at the villa for the night? When checking on the kids (if indeed they did) why would they have gone round checking for breathing?

That would suggest they were expecting one to be dead!! I would have thought that they would have put a head round the door or even listened outside, rather than going in and checking each one individually!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If Madeleine's parents killed her they would not have deliberately kept themselves in the public eye for five years. The Portuguese judiciary closed the case as soon as they reasonably could and want the whole thing to just go away, as would Maddie's abductors (or murderers, if she is dead), yet her parents have steadfastly continued battling for their daughter from the day she vanished to this one.

They did not kill their own child, I'd stake my life on it.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

"If one holds the belief that she was killed by one or both her parents then you must ask yourself the following questions:

If your answer is, 'They killed her by accident and attempted to cover it up by staging an abduction...'

I put it to you, that this proposition is completely far-fetched and virtually impossible. Yet this is what people claim time and again must have happened.

There are a great many wider considerations with this case.

If we get any answers remains to be seen."

Oooo I read that and just had a flashback to watching 'Crown Court' at lunchtimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I'm sick of hearing about how awful it must be for the parents!! It was their fault, no one elses. Nothing to do with hindsight, just basic parenting skills which they failed on for their own selfish needs!

The ONLY victim in this whole horrible mess is Madeleine and it breaks my heart to imagine what she must be going through

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. madeliene wasnt seen by anyone apart from her family from 17.30hrs onward that night!

2. when her father returned at 21.00hrs, the bedroom door wasnt as he left it at 20.30hrs!

3. two police sniffer dogs, (a blood dog and a cadaver dog) both indicated the presence of blood and a body had been it the flat! in the wardrobe and behind the sofa!

4. when everyone returned after hearing madeleine was gone the twins didnt even wake up during the ruckus! now, im not a child prychologist, but i do have kids, and the slightest noise wakes mine up! never mind all the shouting, crying and screaming that must have been going on!

5. according to the mccanns, none of the kids were on medication, yet they had bottles of medicine in the flat! all of which can be used to dope up a child! nurofen, calpol, anti-histamines!

6. while being questioned, the mother REFUSED to answer 48 questions! why? if your child was missing would you not answer EVERY question put to you if you had nothing to hide?

7. i can go on about the discrepancies in the tapas 9 statements, the photo fit ids that didnt match! and the fact that after entering the bedroom window, the intruder had to climb over the two cots the twins were sleeping in to get to madeleine, then back again with a 3yr old child in his/her arms! why? and there was NO forensic evidence of an intruder!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plenty of people do dumb ass shit with regards to neglecting the safety of their kids, so even though it doesn’t in anyway excuse the McCann’s, they are not on their own.

What gets on my tits is the amount of coverage and support the press give them…. which must be a real slap in the face for those other parents who have had children taken and never get mentioned.

i agree imagine how they would feel knowing that david cameron set up a speacial task force of detectives a year ago solely to try to find or find out what happened to maddie mcann ..what about mr and mrs average who have had there children abducted i doubt the prime minister is gonna do the same for them as there not doctors.

I feel the same law to apply to everbody in this case it does not as the parent have never been taken to task for child neglect.

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By *lubPartyPeepsCouple
over a year ago

London

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By *lubPartyPeepsCouple
over a year ago

London

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I'm sick of hearing about how awful it must be for the parents!! It was their fault, no one elses. Nothing to do with hindsight, just basic parenting skills which they failed on for their own selfish needs!

The ONLY victim in this whole horrible mess is Madeleine and it breaks my heart to imagine what she must be going through

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By *onnoisseur100Man
over a year ago

Woking-ish

"Ok facts only

1. They left the kids alone, biggest mistake ever and they have to live with that.

2. That little girl has gone, probably forever but hopefully not.

3. Never any real eveidence to suggest foul play from the parents. Or they would be in jail right now.

I'd never thought I'd be agreeing with this guy but I think he has put it very well;

First find Maddie or her remains,

Then and only then seek justice.

Everybody is entitled to their opinions but that's all they are, merely opinions.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

something behind her eyees.

seen it everytime they have been interviewed or appeared on tv.

dont know what it is yet, but jsut dont completely trust her

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

Whatever happened to the innocent till proved guilty that so many British ( I put British because English, Welst, Scots and Irish have all fought for this right) in the past have fought and died for this right.

No matter what media or street corner tales say at this present time the parents are innocent.

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"Whatever happened to the innocent till proved guilty that so many British ( I put British because English, Welst, Scots and Irish have all fought for this right) in the past have fought and died for this right.

No matter what media or street corner tales say at this present time the parents are innocent. "

You missed the PRESUMED out of that quote

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By *onnoisseur100Man
over a year ago

Woking-ish

No matter what media or street corner tales say at this present time the parents are innocent.

You missed the PRESUMED out of that quote "

Presumed, proved or even 'at present' doesn't make much difference.

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