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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham

such sad news to hear about the 30 year old lady who died just a short way from the finish line yesterday.

Yet there have been no calls for the race to be cancelled....does this mean human life is less important than an animals?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"does this mean human life is less important than an animals? "

not sure what you mean by that? whats an animals life got to do with someone dieing doing the marathon?

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"such sad news to hear about the 30 year old lady who died just a short way from the finish line yesterday.

Yet there have been no calls for the race to be cancelled....does this mean human life is less important than an animals? "

Excellent point. Was just reading about it and there have been quite a few deaths since 1981.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought this earlier today !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that is so vry sad ,heart felt wishes 2 her family n loved 1s,

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"does this mean human life is less important than an animals?

not sure what you mean by that? whats an animals life got to do with someone dieing doing the marathon?"

following on from the cries of animal rights protestors after the Grand National the other week

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"does this mean human life is less important than an animals?

not sure what you mean by that? whats an animals life got to do with someone dieing doing the marathon?"

The Grand National is a highly commercialised race. Some horses die.

The London Marathon is a highly commercialised race, some humans die.

There are calls to stop the National, no apparent calls to stop the London Marathon.

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Do you mean by people calling for things like the Grand National to be banned as some think its cruel to horses?

Well the obvious answer would be that she chose to do the race and could easily have chosen not to

Very sad to hear though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe comparing the grand national to the london marathon.

yes was/is very sad, just read that since her death she has raised £75,000 through people pledging on her just giving page

if its true just shows that people can be nice x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"does this mean human life is less important than an animals?

not sure what you mean by that? whats an animals life got to do with someone dieing doing the marathon?"

Its in relation to the reaction to the sad deaths of the two horses at the last national

There was a lot of people / groups calling for the race to be altered or in some extreme cases scrapped

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"such sad news to hear about the 30 year old lady who died just a short way from the finish line yesterday.

Yet there have been no calls for the race to be cancelled....does this mean human life is less important than an animals?

Excellent point. Was just reading about it and there have been quite a few deaths since 1981.

"

maybe people should get checked over by their doc before they do it then, you cant stop something every time someones dies, how many people have died as a result of road accident yet noones banned cars

Its very sad when anyone looses their life but you cant stop the world going round because of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"does this mean human life is less important than an animals?

not sure what you mean by that? whats an animals life got to do with someone dieing doing the marathon?

Its in relation to the reaction to the sad deaths of the two horses at the last national

There was a lot of people / groups calling for the race to be altered or in some extreme cases scrapped"

but horses dont choose to race they are forced to, people choose to run a marathon, dont see it as the same personally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humans have a choice to run a marathon whereas humans enter animals into competitive situations….

Animals don’t have the same freedom of choice……

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

horses can choose not to race.

you ever tried to make half a ton of animal do what you didnt want?

jesus, i have trouble with a dog sometimes.

horses are bred for racing (thoroughbreds anyway) so they just simply wouldnt exist.

it really is terrible news when either of these things happen and trully saddening, but at least she died doing good and not is a wasted 'crossing the road' kind of accident.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes but the horses have no choice whether they take part in the national, she did have a choice.

i think comparing the national and the marathon is a very simplistic view.

the womans death was a tragedy lets not compare her to a horse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very very sad but the likening it to a horse race is totally wrong. Horses are whipped into running, this lady did it to raise money and for self satisfation, a real shame what happened to her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"but horses dont choose to race they are forced to, people choose to run a marathon, dont see it as the same personally"

I appreciate what your saying and i'm no horse expert by any stretch of the imagination however why when a horse falls , does it get back up and carry on jumping or racing with the other horses?

As I said i'm no expert however If the horse didnt want to do something then i'm sure it wouldnt do it!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"yes but the horses have no choice whether they take part in the national, she did have a choice.

i think comparing the national and the marathon is a very simplistic view.

the womans death was a tragedy lets not compare her to a horse"

i wasnt comparing her to a horse, and if a horse doenst want to do something, they wont believe me!

i was merely making a point that some people care more for animal life than they do for human life

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

When my missus had a very long face i couldn't get her to do anything she didn't want to do.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Humans have a choice to run a marathon whereas humans enter animals into competitive situations….

Animals don’t have the same freedom of choice…… "

they do, horse can buck and throw their riders, they can run the other way, they enjoy the racing....ok i'll grant you they dont fill the entry forms in themselves but if they didnt want t do it they wouldnt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"but horses dont choose to race they are forced to, people choose to run a marathon, dont see it as the same personally

I appreciate what your saying and i'm no horse expert by any stretch of the imagination however why when a horse falls , does it get back up and carry on jumping or racing with the other horses?

As I said i'm no expert however If the horse didnt want to do something then i'm sure it wouldnt do it!"

no idea, maybe running is just in them, i have a greyhound and he chases anything going because its just in their nature, so when they race them its just natural for them to follow the rabbit, saying that they arnt choosing to race they are just being put to what comes to them naturally

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It is no accident that the RSPCA was created some 40 years before the NSPCC in this country. Or that Donkey Sanctuaries get more donations than homelessness charities. Yet, we would all be up in arms if a Marathon runner was put down if they broke their leg.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"but horses dont choose to race they are forced to, people choose to run a marathon, dont see it as the same personally

I appreciate what your saying and i'm no horse expert by any stretch of the imagination however why when a horse falls , does it get back up and carry on jumping or racing with the other horses?

As I said i'm no expert however If the horse didnt want to do something then i'm sure it wouldnt do it!

no idea, maybe running is just in them, i have a greyhound and he chases anything going because its just in their nature, so when they race them its just natural for them to follow the rabbit, saying that they arnt choosing to race they are just being put to what comes to them naturally"

ok, you see so many of these sob stories on BGT and the like, wehre someone has filled out a form for someone else as they believe they have the ability to do well.

you beleive someone can be forced to sing or juggle if they didnt want to?

so how can a horse be forced to run?

its what they do.

like australians working behind a bar.

its iiiiiiiinstiiiiiiinct!!!! lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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no idea, maybe running is just in them, i have a greyhound and he chases anything going because its just in their nature, so when they race them its just natural for them to follow the rabbit, saying that they arnt choosing to race they are just being put to what comes to them naturally"

I appreciate where your coming from though and what you've said above echo's a large percentage of the public

It's opinions though , and when it comes to animals people will always have contrasting opinions/points of view!

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"It is no accident that the RSPCA was created some 40 years before the NSPCC in this country. Or that Donkey Sanctuaries get more donations than homelessness charities. Yet, we would all be up in arms if a Marathon runner was put down if they broke their leg."

not the same at all.

google why they put horses down for breaking a leg and you will see why its in the best interests of the animal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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like australians working behind a bar.

its iiiiiiiinstiiiiiiinct!!!! lol"

I'm laughing at that one!

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


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like australians working behind a bar.

its iiiiiiiinstiiiiiiinct!!!! lol

I'm laughing at that one!"

you must have been the other person that watched it then lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many horse start the national? 40. And 2 died which is what 5% of the starters. And that is fairly representative year on year.

Yesterday one of 375000 marathon runners tragically died. Barely registers as a percentage and it's the 11th death in 32 editions, so average one death every 3 years in around 110000 runners. At the grand national's rate of attriton that would be 5500 runners and I think you can safely say that it would be banned.

It's also worth looking at the causes of death of the 10 people that have died prior to this year. 7 due to heart disease, 2 with brain haemorrhage and 1 due to over hydration. So 9 of the 10 deaths where the cause is known were natural causes.

Undeniably non of those dying have died because the cause is inherrantly dangerous.

The comaprison is laughable and crass. It shows a lack of respect to Claire Squires.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham

ahhhhhh so its a numbers game!!! got it

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Horses don't run races because they want to.

It's due to their characteristics that they are selected and bred to race.

The CLUE is in the name .. racehorse.

It's difficult for them NOT to run when the rest gallop.

They are loyal and will run with their peers and for their trainers until their hearts burst.

I've yet to see one toddle off to a starting line and wait for the shot without a rider though. Or a herd of them holding a sports day in the field.

Saying they could refuse if they wanted to is a bit like saying we choose to work.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


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like australians working behind a bar.

its iiiiiiiinstiiiiiiinct!!!! lol

I'm laughing at that one!

you must have been the other person that watched it then lol"

What was it ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP   Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Horses don't run races because they want to.

It's due to their characteristics that they are selected and bred to race.

The CLUE is in the name .. racehorse.

It's difficult for them NOT to run when the rest gallop.

They are loyal and will run with their peers and for their trainers until their hearts burst.

I've yet to see one toddle off to a starting line and wait for the shot without a rider though. Or a herd of them holding a sports day in the field.

Saying they could refuse if they wanted to is a bit like saying we choose to work. "

but if you watch a group o horses loose in a field they do gallop about, without being whipped

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

The runner chose to run....the horse is trained to race wether they want to or not.

And no, you can't always make an animal do what you want it to, but when you have reigns and a bit in it's gob, it will normally do as it is told or it will hurt their mouth.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

PS , it is sad about the lady though.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"How many horse start the national? 40. And 2 died which is what 5% of the starters. And that is fairly representative year on year.

Yesterday one of 375000 marathon runners tragically died. Barely registers as a percentage and it's the 11th death in 32 editions, so average one death every 3 years in around 110000 runners. At the grand national's rate of attriton that would be 5500 runners and I think you can safely say that it would be banned.

It's also worth looking at the causes of death of the 10 people that have died prior to this year. 7 due to heart disease, 2 with brain haemorrhage and 1 due to over hydration. So 9 of the 10 deaths where the cause is known were natural causes.

Undeniably non of those dying have died because the cause is inherrantly dangerous.

The comaprison is laughable and crass. It shows a lack of respect to Claire Squires."

rate would be much higher if they were jumping walls on the way round

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Horses don't run races because they want to.

It's due to their characteristics that they are selected and bred to race.

The CLUE is in the name .. racehorse.

It's difficult for them NOT to run when the rest gallop.

They are loyal and will run with their peers and for their trainers until their hearts burst.

I've yet to see one toddle off to a starting line and wait for the shot without a rider though. Or a herd of them holding a sports day in the field.

Saying they could refuse if they wanted to is a bit like saying we choose to work.

but if you watch a group o horses loose in a field they do gallop about, without being whipped"

They canter in fields. There isn't sufficient space to get up to a gallop.

They gallop in fear when chased by a predator or of course when whipped, yanked and spurred by a jockey.

Trained from birth to obey. Just like soldiers really.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"Horses don't run races because they want to.

It's due to their characteristics that they are selected and bred to race.

The CLUE is in the name .. racehorse.

It's difficult for them NOT to run when the rest gallop.

They are loyal and will run with their peers and for their trainers until their hearts burst.

I've yet to see one toddle off to a starting line and wait for the shot without a rider though. Or a herd of them holding a sports day in the field.

Saying they could refuse if they wanted to is a bit like saying we choose to work. "

but you choose which work you do?

dont see many horses with a shovel?

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"d So 9 of the 10 deaths where the cause is known were natural causes.

Undeniably non of those dying have died because the cause is inherrantly dangerous.

"

So, 9 of 10 deaths were due to natural causes. But such cause (of death) wasn't inherently dangerous, but still they died? Boggled again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"d So 9 of the 10 deaths where the cause is known were natural causes.

Undeniably non of those dying have died because the cause is inherrantly dangerous.

So, 9 of 10 deaths were due to natural causes. But such cause (of death) wasn't inherently dangerous, but still they died? Boggled again "

OOOPPPPSSSSS. Course not cause.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"

like australians working behind a bar.

its iiiiiiiinstiiiiiiinct!!!! lol

I'm laughing at that one!

you must have been the other person that watched it then lol

What was it ?"

comedy show where al murray introduced us to the pub landlord character.

had julia shawhala(sp) working as an ozzy barmaid, and kept telling her she was good because its iiiiinstiiiiinct for them.

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By *uvi n Jolly RogCouple
over a year ago

West Somerset... Near Butlins


"yes but the horses have no choice whether they take part in the national, she did have a choice.

i think comparing the national and the marathon is a very simplistic view.

the womans death was a tragedy lets not compare her to a horse

i wasnt comparing her to a horse, and if a horse doenst want to do something, they wont believe me!

i was merely making a point that some people care more for animal life than they do for human life"

Sadly most people care for possesions and money more than either animal or human life. There are "looks" and "wealth" statements oozing from some profiles here....this only serves to prove how "animalistic" humans are. Very sad news when animals or humans die, as said this lady wanted to "give" something thru her belief and paid the price.....she should be honoured and respected and not compared to anything! Most "humans" just take take take....then pose pose pose....animals are better than humans by a long way!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I am NOT animalistic !

No pig has La Croix wellies like mine!

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By *uvi n Jolly RogCouple
over a year ago

West Somerset... Near Butlins

Maybe should of added, "self indulgent", both are very true!

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By *uvi n Jolly RogCouple
over a year ago

West Somerset... Near Butlins


"such sad news to hear about the 30 year old lady who died just a short way from the finish line yesterday.

Yet there have been no calls for the race to be cancelled....does this mean human life is less important than an animals? "

Sad and shocking news, but as mentioned, life cannot grind to a halt after such a tragedy....there have been many, it seems lest forgotten. Sadly todays news, tomorrows history. Sadly this is the society we live in. Somehow some of us think we have it all right too! DONT THINK SO

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Marathons are run by millions worldwide and encourage healthy lifestyles which is a hugely positive thing.

People raise enormous amounts of money for their chosen charities, the runner is a good person for choosing to raise money for good courses and their sponsors are good people for recognising their efforts and donating to support their chosen charities.

Horse racing to me is mainly about greed on many levels and it pisses me right off. People making money from what essentially is animal cruelty. Yes, horses do run out of instinct ...nearly every animal on this planet runs through instinct.. horses are picked on because they are big enough to be ridden and have no 'prey instincts', so man is fairly safe (apart from falls and kicks) handling these beautiful animals. Some toffs and all bookmakers love them for wrong reasons.

I won't apologise for my rant

Evesham, I know the point you are trying to make and it's a fair one. It's the lack of choice by the poor horses that would make some humans more vocal about the loss of life through sport. No one forced anyone to run the marathon yesterday but I'm quite sure horses would opt out of racing.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"such sad news to hear about the 30 year old lady who died just a short way from the finish line yesterday.

Yet there have been no calls for the race to be cancelled....does this mean human life is less important than an animals? "

The lady in question died close to the finishing line; I actually saw her running minutes before.. and this is very sad. And it is awesome how her death inspired people to donate in excess of £100,000. Shame she wont be aware of this.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

ACTION: Granny models her diamante encrusted flip flops ......

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"ACTION: Granny models her diamante encrusted flip flops ...... "

There were a few I thought I recognised off Fabs ...

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"Marathons are run by millions worldwide and encourage healthy lifestyles which is a hugely positive thing.

People raise enormous amounts of money for their chosen charities, the runner is a good person for choosing to raise money for good courses and their sponsors are good people for recognising their efforts and donating to support their chosen charities.

Horse racing to me is mainly about greed on many levels and it pisses me right off. People making money from what essentially is animal cruelty. Yes, horses do run out of instinct ...nearly every animal on this planet runs through instinct.. horses are picked on because they are big enough to be ridden and have no 'prey instincts', so man is fairly safe (apart from falls and kicks) handling these beautiful animals. Some toffs and all bookmakers love them for wrong reasons.

I won't apologise for my rant

Evesham, I know the point you are trying to make and it's a fair one. It's the lack of choice by the poor horses that would make some humans more vocal about the loss of life through sport. No one forced anyone to run the marathon yesterday but I'm quite sure horses would opt out of racing."

no offence, hun, but i swear you would love the standard of life thoroughbred racehorses have.

best of the best with no stress in their lives.

all for 10 minutes of hard work at the end of a week.

lets be honest. horses arent running races week in, week out. they have races suited to them, and running suiited also, so wont be 'forced' to run in just any race (some horses dont run from one month to the next)

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"ACTION: Granny models her diamante encrusted flip flops ......

There were a few I thought I recognised off Fabs ... "

I wasn't one of the nags if that is what you are inferring :P

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