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"No. Life requires fighters." this fight to win or die trying | |||
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"Children need to learn resilience, to win all the time doesn’t reflect life therefore you are setting them up for failure. They should learn just because you take part and try your best doesn’t always mean you’ll win, but if you keep trying eventually you will win, and that feeling is quite unrivalled. " Spot on | |||
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"Should there not be winners at sports day and instead everyone gets a medal and is classed as a winner? Should there be a prize in every pass the parcel? Should we “let” our children win games? This seems to be how things are done a lot these days. No! An parce the parcel don’t you get a sweet under each paper before the prize? Not everyone wins in the class room sometimes sports is their only time to shine. I’ve never let my kids win. They love beating me now they are older. Your thoughts?" | |||
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"Children need to learn resilience, to win all the time doesn’t reflect life therefore you are setting them up for failure. They should learn just because you take part and try your best doesn’t always mean you’ll win, but if you keep trying eventually you will win, and that feeling is quite unrivalled. " I like this | |||
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"I think competition brings about development. If children got a prize no matter how well they did then some would be encouraged not to make any effort. I do think all children need to be praised for making the effort wether or not they win the competition and this should be rewarding in itself. " Yes totally agree with this | |||
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"Even on fab it's necessary to recognise that there are winners and losers in some respects. The popularity threads are evidence of that. Being picked last for the sports team prepared you for that" It was a fab thread that got me thinking about this. One of the “favourite” ones. I wonder if the people who get upset or take offence at not being named are the ones who were told they won at everything. | |||
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"I think that kids have to start to develope coping mechanisms early in life so they can deal with both successes and disappointments, or when they get to adulthood they find they can’t cope with failures. Shielding them from this as kids does not help them. Equally teaching them that when you’ve been successful, or a ‘winner’, you don’t need to be an arse about it. " | |||
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"From what I've heard from teachers, all this "participation trophy" malarkey was born out of parents being unable to accept their children not being winners rather than anything to do with the children themselves." Yes this is true | |||
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"Even on fab it's necessary to recognise that there are winners and losers in some respects. The popularity threads are evidence of that. Being picked last for the sports team prepared you for that It was a fab thread that got me thinking about this. One of the “favourite” ones. I wonder if the people who get upset or take offence at not being named are the ones who were told they won at everything. " Could be but I think it goes a bit deeper than that. Its a self esteem thing, a please pick me thing and an elaborate fishing exercise on both sides of that fence in my personal opinion only. I couldn't be doing with popularity contests as a kid and I can't as an adult either but that could be because I learned very early on that life is about losing sometimes and it doesn't make you a worse person if you do. | |||
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"Children need to learn resilience, to win all the time doesn’t reflect life therefore you are setting them up for failure. They should learn just because you take part and try your best doesn’t always mean you’ll win, but if you keep trying eventually you will win, and that feeling is quite unrivalled. " This is so true If they learn that they get rewarded for just turning hiw is this preparing them for life Do they think they will turn up for a job interview and get it because they turn up. Children need to be taught that effort and hard work is rewarded not just turning up. | |||
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"From what I've heard from teachers, all this "participation trophy" malarkey was born out of parents being unable to accept their children not being winners rather than anything to do with the children themselves. Yes this is true " My oldest friend runs a stage school and has this issue too. Kids parents kicking off about their kid not getting main parts with lots of lines when the kid themselves is too shy and doesn't want lots of lines but is perfectly happy having all dancing roles. | |||
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"From what I've heard from teachers, all this "participation trophy" malarkey was born out of parents being unable to accept their children not being winners rather than anything to do with the children themselves. Yes this is true My oldest friend runs a stage school and has this issue too. Kids parents kicking off about their kid not getting main parts with lots of lines when the kid themselves is too shy and doesn't want lots of lines but is perfectly happy having all dancing roles." parents are a nightmare i used to kick them out of training sessions all the time | |||
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"Even on fab it's necessary to recognise that there are winners and losers in some respects. The popularity threads are evidence of that. Being picked last for the sports team prepared you for that" Oh god the horror of being last for the sports team | |||
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"Even on fab it's necessary to recognise that there are winners and losers in some respects. The popularity threads are evidence of that. Being picked last for the sports team prepared you for that Oh god the horror of being last for the sports team" . I was useless at all sports but I knew it and I knew I was good at other things unfortunately there was no competitive history team | |||
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"It was a fab thread that got me thinking about this. One of the “favourite” ones. I wonder if the people who get upset or take offence at not being named are the ones who were told they won at everything. Could be but I think it goes a bit deeper than that. Its a self esteem thing, a please pick me thing and an elaborate fishing exercise on both sides of that fence in my personal opinion only. I couldn't be doing with popularity contests as a kid and I can't as an adult either but that could be because I learned very early on that life is about losing sometimes and it doesn't make you a worse person if you do. " I really don't like those threads. Not because I don't get named or because I win at most things (I'm so amazing I know) but because for me inclusion is far more important. And I don't see the fora in terms of who is my favourite, who is the best x, y and z. I really like Spurs post on the thread but it's a faff quoting two in one post when you're lazing. | |||
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"Praise for trying. Prize for winning. " Agree 100% with that | |||
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"It depends whether you view sport at school as a competitive arena to create hierarchies or teaching children the benefits and wellbeing of a healthy lifestyle. Personally I think there is a place for both. And anyone that found themselves being picked last fircteam sports will tell you that its pretty fucking horrible " I used to have the bizarre situation of actually being pretty good at sports but I was always picked one of the last for teams as it was more of a popularity contest than about the sport. And I was the "posh kid" in a northern school (I.e. I had a southern accent) so I didn't have many friends until I was a teenager. It didn't stop me getting on the school sports teams though, much to the popular kid's dismay . | |||
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"Definitely not. Competition is healthy and should start at a young age. It prepares you for life. There are so many challenges in life and loosing/failing/not achieving is part of lifes rollercoaster. Competition st a young age teaches you determination and drive, and to keep on trying to be your best." Yes definitely starts at an early age and being taught you won’t always win and how to deal with it, should start at home way before starting school. That way the tears and confusion are dealt with in private and the right way to behave if you don’t win is already embedded. Along with everyone is different and some will be better at sone tasks/subjects than you, but you might be better at other things. Everyone is unique and different in their own way, there is no right or wrong to that | |||
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"I always laugh at this. I'm of an age where we got participation prizes and I get people older than me saying that I'm soft because of it. I knew they were crap when I was a kid, and it was people older than me who decided it was a good idea to do! " Exactly this! The kids never asked for them yet get all the stick for getting them. | |||
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"Even on fab it's necessary to recognise that there are winners and losers in some respects. The popularity threads are evidence of that. Being picked last for the sports team prepared you for that Oh god the horror of being last for the sports team" I was always last. Every single time, but I am a strong minded determined person and being last will of been a part of formimg that personality trait. | |||
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"It depends whether you view sport at school as a competitive arena to create hierarchies or teaching children the benefits and wellbeing of a healthy lifestyle. Personally I think there is a place for both. And anyone that found themselves being picked last fircteam sports will tell you that its pretty fucking horrible I used to have the bizarre situation of actually being pretty good at sports but I was always picked one of the last for teams as it was more of a popularity contest than about the sport. And I was the "posh kid" in a northern school (I.e. I had a southern accent) so I didn't have many friends until I was a teenager. It didn't stop me getting on the school sports teams though, much to the popular kid's dismay ." Me too! I was an excellent runner and could actually catch a roundes ball but because I was a bit weird and quiet I wasnt wanted. More fool them | |||
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"It depends whether you view sport at school as a competitive arena to create hierarchies or teaching children the benefits and wellbeing of a healthy lifestyle. Personally I think there is a place for both. And anyone that found themselves being picked last fircteam sports will tell you that its pretty fucking horrible I used to have the bizarre situation of actually being pretty good at sports but I was always picked one of the last for teams as it was more of a popularity contest than about the sport. And I was the "posh kid" in a northern school (I.e. I had a southern accent) so I didn't have many friends until I was a teenager. It didn't stop me getting on the school sports teams though, much to the popular kid's dismay . Me too! I was an excellent runner and could actually catch a roundes ball but because I was a bit weird and quiet I wasnt wanted. More fool them " Yep! I was on our school hockey and netball teams yet come P.E. I was one of the last to be picked for either. Funny old world. | |||
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"We can't all be the best at everything we do in life that's a fact. So the quicker we learn this life lesson the better. " Praise the effort not the result. | |||
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"No. Life requires fighters." I'm trying to interpret that. Life needs lessons? People need to learn you're not always the best at everything. They also need to be taught that it's about personal progress. Not all sport teaches that. You dont always win! | |||
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"This is almost a proxy for Capitalism vs Socialism Individual effort snd reward vs everyone in community needs to have same wealth. History shows us, uk et al prospered Soviet union, venezuela, cuba, old china almost ruined their country and people trying to foist that ideology. China renewed itself with a version of singaporean enlightened despotic capitalism(cue those tough charismatic headteachers, a la alex ferguson) " Socialism isn't everyone having the same wealth, that's communism. | |||
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"Should there not be winners at sports day and instead everyone gets a medal and is classed as a winner? Should there be a prize in every pass the parcel? Should we “let” our children win games? This seems to be how things are done a lot these days. Your thoughts?" Competition is healthy, even for children - learning to share, personal goals and achievements. It’s a platform for life skills in later life | |||
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"Praise for trying. Prize for winning. " Spot on x | |||
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