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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go." Exactly that | |||
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"I remember you from another thread that saw me banned OP. So I’ll refrain from calling you what you are because I suspect that’s what you’re looking for "  think op is looking for a reaction again | |||
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"I found a fox caught by dogs. He let me take him in my hands" Was it in a Bush? | |||
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"I found a fox caught by dogs. He let me take him in my hands Was it in a Bush?" I felt ashamed to be there | |||
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"I found a fox caught by dogs. He let me take him in my hands Was it in a Bush? I felt ashamed to be there" Well it was in the trees, it's cumming | |||
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"I've always been a coward" You are no coward. You acted out of compassion | |||
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"But he was only stuck in the netting because he was trying to get to the chickens?? Whose life do you value most? Ponder ponder "That's the chicken and the egg situation. I have no answer | |||
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"I've always been a coward You are no coward. You acted out of compassion " His little heart, it beats so fast and I'm ashamed of running away | |||
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"But he was only stuck in the netting because he was trying to get to the chickens?? Whose life do you value most? Ponder ponder
That's the chicken and the egg situation. I have no answer"My dad would have shot the fox to protect his chickens | |||
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"Can’t be worse than the hooray Henry lot who are out today on horses using dogs to tear foxes to bits and the RSPCA don’t get involved with that " You make a good point | |||
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"It's a shame to see any animal die needlessly although he was trying to protect his chickens. A fox kills them all instead of taking one. No doubt if released he would have been back for another attempt. " Will he club every creature who tries to get at the chickens? Maybe it would be easier to fox proof their coop. | |||
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"A man found a fox stuck in the netting protecting his chickens and dispatched the fox with a baseball bat. He thought he might have broken the law so rang the RSPCA and left his details. Did he do the right thing?" *Asking for a friend?! | |||
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"Is hunting foxes with hounds legal now? I thought they could only drag hunt ? " Apparently it is and because of the hunt saboteurs the government are intending to make trespass a criminal offence so they can be prosecuted | |||
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"It's a shame to see any animal die needlessly although he was trying to protect his chickens. A fox kills them all instead of taking one. No doubt if released he would have been back for another attempt. Will he club every creature who tries to get at the chickens? Maybe it would be easier to fox proof their coop. " It sounds like he tried although foxes are quite resourceful. I know a person with an electrified fence that protects his but one fox made repeated attempts and eventually got in. I agree though. I do have a squirrel proof bird feeder that does work so far although the squirrel tries most days. | |||
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"I think he left his details presumably on an answerphone as they were probably shut for Christmas. I think the fox was alive and he is quoted as saying that he did not enjoy the experience. I think he was protecting his chickens. It's a story in the Dai ly Ma il online" oh thought you were out on the boxing day hunt for a fox with your beagels | |||
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"It's a difficult one. Finish the fox off if you've started the job. Leaving a message on an answering service isn't going to help the animal. " dear rspca I just brutally murdered a fox but thought it wise for me to tell you so you can clear up the blood guts and mess I made ... | |||
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"A man found a fox stuck in the netting protecting his chickens and dispatched the fox with a baseball bat. He thought he might have broken the law so rang the RSPCA and left his details. Did he do the right thing?" no shit sherlock was this fox news | |||
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"A man called the Brighton cat killer has just been caught. He dispatched 15 cats I think.." Yes he has been caught. Good | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go." Except, of course that once you have captured animals classed as vermin, its illegal to release them (Wildlife and Countryside act, 1984). Although, you might be able to argue that you hadn't intended to catch it. | |||
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"Is a fox classed as vermin ?" There is no legal definition | |||
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"Is a fox classed as vermin ?" Yes. If you have them (and other pests: rats, mice, rabbits grey squirrels) you are legally obliged to remove them. | |||
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"Is a fox classed as vermin ? There is no legal definition" There is. Either under general license or in the act. Covers invasive species too, such as signal crayfish and grey squirrels | |||
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"Is a fox classed as vermin ? Yes. If you have them (and other pests: rats, mice, rabbits grey squirrels) you are legally obliged to remove them." A fox is not classified under law as vermin. | |||
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"A man found a fox stuck in the netting protecting his chickens and dispatched the fox with a baseball bat. He thought he might have broken the law so rang the RSPCA and left his details. Did he do the right thing?" Yeah he should learn how to protect his chickens properly.... | |||
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"A man found a fox stuck in the netting protecting his chickens and dispatched the fox with a baseball bat. He thought he might have broken the law so rang the RSPCA and left his details. Did he do the right thing?" . I am not sure why you would dispatch a fox with a baseball bat and then call the RSPCA.You didn’t feel guilty killing it with a baseball bat and now you do so you feel you deserve to to punished ?. | |||
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"A man found a fox stuck in the netting protecting his chickens and dispatched the fox with a baseball bat. He thought he might have broken the law so rang the RSPCA and left his details. Did he do the right thing?" No he didn't. Should have called the rspca first and have them deal with the fox, unless he's genuinely thought the fox was badly injured and doing it a favour . Otherwise Sounds like petty revenge from "macho" type. Bearing in mind he'll possibly be killing the chickens himself | |||
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"A man found a fox stuck in the netting protecting his chickens and dispatched the fox with a baseball bat. He thought he might have broken the law so rang the RSPCA and left his details. Did he do the right thing? No he didn't. Should have called the rspca first and have them deal with the fox, unless he's genuinely thought the fox was badly injured and doing it a favour . Otherwise Sounds like petty revenge from "macho" type. Bearing in mind he'll possibly be killing the chickens himself " Called the RSPCA and let it suffer tangled up in a fence? He should have dispatched it properly. A baseball bat is not the tool I'd choose to use to do that, but I have no idea how much the fox was suffering at the time. If it was wrapped up in flexinet, for example, it may well have been busily strangling itself. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/guidance/foxes-moles-and-mink-how-to-protect-your-property-from-damage Foxes are not protected. The law only prohibits certain kinds of dispatch though. " They are protected; This is copy and pasted from the above link; Any foxes, moles and mink that you catch are protected under the Animal Welfare Act 2006. You can be jailed and fined up to £20,000 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal. Bit of a contradiction. At least read what you quote No info there about foxes being in the vermin list. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/guidance/foxes-moles-and-mink-how-to-protect-your-property-from-damage Foxes are not protected. The law only prohibits certain kinds of dispatch though. They are protected; This is copy and pasted from the above link; Any foxes, moles and mink that you catch are protected under the Animal Welfare Act 2006. You can be jailed and fined up to £20,000 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal. Bit of a contradiction. At least read what you quote No info there about foxes being in the vermin list." They are protected from certain methods of dispatch - such as poisoning, snaring with a fixed snare etc. They are not a protected species. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/guidance/foxes-moles-and-mink-how-to-protect-your-property-from-damage Foxes are not protected. The law only prohibits certain kinds of dispatch though. They are protected; This is copy and pasted from the above link; Any foxes, moles and mink that you catch are protected under the Animal Welfare Act 2006. You can be jailed and fined up to £20,000 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal. Bit of a contradiction. At least read what you quote No info there about foxes being in the vermin list. They are protected from certain methods of dispatch - such as poisoning, snaring with a fixed snare etc. They are not a protected species." They are the link you posted says so
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"https://www.gov.uk/guidance/foxes-moles-and-mink-how-to-protect-your-property-from-damage Foxes are not protected. The law only prohibits certain kinds of dispatch though. They are protected; This is copy and pasted from the above link; Any foxes, moles and mink that you catch are protected under the Animal Welfare Act 2006. You can be jailed and fined up to £20,000 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal. Bit of a contradiction. At least read what you quote No info there about foxes being in the vermin list. They are protected from certain methods of dispatch - such as poisoning, snaring with a fixed snare etc. They are not a protected species. They are the link you posted says so
"No, the link tells you that they are protected from certain kinds of dispatch - that is what the animal welfare act covers. They are not a protected species, they can be killed according to all the legally permitted methods also on the link I posted. | |||
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"https://www.gov.uk/guidance/foxes-moles-and-mink-how-to-protect-your-property-from-damage Foxes are not protected. The law only prohibits certain kinds of dispatch though. They are protected; This is copy and pasted from the above link; Any foxes, moles and mink that you catch are protected under the Animal Welfare Act 2006. You can be jailed and fined up to £20,000 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal. Bit of a contradiction. At least read what you quote No info there about foxes being in the vermin list. They are protected from certain methods of dispatch - such as poisoning, snaring with a fixed snare etc. They are not a protected species. They are the link you posted says so
No, the link tells you that they are protected from certain kinds of dispatch - that is what the animal welfare act covers.
They are not a protected species, they can be killed according to all the legally permitted methods also on the link I posted."That is exactly what I mean. And I posted so however many posts up But they are not on the list of animals classified as Vermin which is what I was trying to say | |||
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"Ok logical head on. Surely if the fox was trapped it's already pretty traumatized, so if you then leave it trapped for a short time longer gets some pots and pans make a helluva lot of noise , then release it. The trauma alone must be enough to prevent it from retuning, then just beef up the chicken coop with something else not netting. That way no fixed get killed and neither do any chickens and no one is guilty off animal cruelty. Can you be charged with scaring the bejesus out of a foxywoxy ?" If you want to try and grab hold of a pissed off fox to try and get it out of a fence, off you go.
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"A man found a fox stuck in the netting protecting his chickens and dispatched the fox with a baseball bat. He thought he might have broken the law so rang the RSPCA and left his details. Did he do the right thing? No he didn't. Should have called the rspca first and have them deal with the fox, unless he's genuinely thought the fox was badly injured and doing it a favour . Otherwise Sounds like petty revenge from "macho" type. Bearing in mind he'll possibly be killing the chickens himself Called the RSPCA and let it suffer tangled up in a fence? He should have dispatched it properly. A baseball bat is not the tool I'd choose to use to do that, but I have no idea how much the fox was suffering at the time. If it was wrapped up in flexinet, for example, it may well have been busily strangling itself." Not knowing the full details i can only apply general thoughts | |||
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"A man found a fox stuck in the netting protecting his chickens and dispatched the fox with a baseball bat. He thought he might have broken the law so rang the RSPCA and left his details. Did he do the right thing?" No he didn’t. He beat a defenceless animal to death. The right thing would have been to free the fox and make his chickens more secure. End of. | |||
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"If the fox urgently needed freeing trom the fence I'd help it out and take the chances of being injured/bitten. But just my own decision and responsibility for my actions " Its difficult enough getting a sheep out of a fence without injuring you/it, let alone something that can bite you. I tried getting a fox out from under a shed once and at no point did I think that sticking my hand under would be a good idea. Still, if you fancy an infected bite.... | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go." Thank you ! | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go. Thank you ! " People do seem to like to leave animals to suffer these days. Probably would have taken the RSPCA hours to turn up. | |||
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"A man found a fox stuck in the netting protecting his chickens and dispatched the fox with a baseball bat. He thought he might have broken the law so rang the RSPCA and left his details. Did he do the right thing?" Foxes are considered as vermin so no need to be worried about killing one..badgers on the other hand are a protected species | |||
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"And to be fair.. one well aimed blow from a baseball bat might have ended the suffering of a distressed animal.. " Having read into it - apparently clubbing it is the council approved method of dispatch in that area. Unless it was already half-dead, I can't see it going well - lots of those town foxes are massive compared to the ones we get in the countryside. | |||
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"Is that because they have access to more food ?" Guess so - first time I saw one in the town was visiting someone in Dartford Crossing. It was bloody immense | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go. Exactly that" Takes a sick individual to smash an animals head in  | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go. Exactly that Takes a sick individual to smash an animals head in " | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go. Exactly that Takes a sick individual to smash an animals head in "Or watch as it eats your hens.. | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go. Exactly that Takes a sick individual to smash an animals head in
Or watch as it eats your hens.."Would be a lot less likely with proper planning and better standards to avoid all this in the first place | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go. Exactly that Takes a sick individual to smash an animals head in
Or watch as it eats your hens..
Would be a lot less likely with proper planning and better standards to avoid all this in the first place"Interested to know how you would do that? | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go. Exactly that Takes a sick individual to smash an animals head in
Or watch as it eats your hens..
Would be a lot less likely with proper planning and better standards to avoid all this in the first place"Those were someone's backyard hens, he's not a poultry farmer. Again, as I've said its several London borough councils approved method of dispatch, so I guess it must work. I'd have supposed that it wouldn't work that well, but I've never tried it. | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go. Exactly that Takes a sick individual to smash an animals head in
Or watch as it eats your hens..
Would be a lot less likely with proper planning and better standards to avoid all this in the first place
Those were someone's backyard hens, he's not a poultry farmer.
Again, as I've said its several London borough councils approved method of dispatch, so I guess it must work. I'd have supposed that it wouldn't work that well, but I've never tried it. "Council workers with baseball bats.. do they wear brown shirts too ? | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go. Exactly that Takes a sick individual to smash an animals head in
Or watch as it eats your hens..
Would be a lot less likely with proper planning and better standards to avoid all this in the first place
Those were someone's backyard hens, he's not a poultry farmer.
Again, as I've said its several London borough councils approved method of dispatch, so I guess it must work. I'd have supposed that it wouldn't work that well, but I've never tried it.
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"A lot of sick serial killers started of by killing,torturing animals. I guess humans are all wired up differently. Some evil. Some not..." Off your topic but he seemed to be protecting his hens.. | |||
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"A lot of sick serial killers started of by killing,torturing animals. I guess humans are all wired up differently. Some evil. Some not... Off your topic but he seemed to be protecting his hens.. " The fox is hungry. Humans should not play god. Leave it to nature | |||
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"Humans are mammals.. part of nature " Animals was on wrath before humans | |||
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"A lot of sick serial killers started of by killing,torturing animals. I guess humans are all wired up differently. Some evil. Some not... Off your topic but he seemed to be protecting his hens.. The fox is hungry. Humans should not play god. Leave it to nature "We are part of nature. I take it you've never had livestock? Also, in that vein, would you not worm your dog? Not get rid of rats in your house? | |||
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"Humans are mammals.. part of nature Animals was on Earth before humans " | |||
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"Humans are mammals.. part of nature Animals was on Earth before humans " Also, I assume that you live on fresh air? Animals are killed to produce most of the food you eat. | |||
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"A lot of sick serial killers started of by killing,torturing animals. I guess humans are all wired up differently. Some evil. Some not... Off your topic but he seemed to be protecting his hens.. The fox is hungry. Humans should not play god. Leave it to nature
We are part of nature. I take it you've never had livestock?
Also, in that vein, would you not worm your dog? Not get rid of rats in your house? "I had turkey for my dinner today and yesterday. I’m a hypocrite. But I wouldn’t intentionally kill and creature for the crack. | |||
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"A lot of sick serial killers started of by killing,torturing animals. I guess humans are all wired up differently. Some evil. Some not... Off your topic but he seemed to be protecting his hens.. The fox is hungry. Humans should not play god. Leave it to nature
We are part of nature. I take it you've never had livestock?
Also, in that vein, would you not worm your dog? Not get rid of rats in your house?
I had turkey for my dinner today and yesterday. I’m a hypocrite.
But I wouldn’t intentionally kill and creature for the crack."Who would? In this case a fox had caught itself in a fence, I imagine at the very least it was in considerable distress, at the most, it was strangling itself. Ever had to get an animal out of a fence? I have. | |||
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"A lot of sick serial killers started of by killing,torturing animals. I guess humans are all wired up differently. Some evil. Some not... Off your topic but he seemed to be protecting his hens.. The fox is hungry. Humans should not play god. Leave it to nature
We are part of nature. I take it you've never had livestock?
Also, in that vein, would you not worm your dog? Not get rid of rats in your house?
I had turkey for my dinner today and yesterday. I’m a hypocrite.
But I wouldn’t intentionally kill and creature for the crack."We all kill to eat..no shame there.. you are no hypocrite.. | |||
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"A lot of sick serial killers started of by killing,torturing animals. I guess humans are all wired up differently. Some evil. Some not... Off your topic but he seemed to be protecting his hens.. The fox is hungry. Humans should not play god. Leave it to nature
We are part of nature. I take it you've never had livestock?
Also, in that vein, would you not worm your dog? Not get rid of rats in your house?
I had turkey for my dinner today and yesterday. I’m a hypocrite.
But I wouldn’t intentionally kill and creature for the crack.
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" The fox is hungry. Humans should not play god. Leave it to nature "Bit late for that. The human species has demarcated much of the world for the industrial production of those species we want to consume. Those species we do not want to consume have been pushed out to the margins where they begin to die out. | |||
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"The right thing to do would have been to phone the rspca or someone before he stoved its head in with a baseball bat so they could come and free it and let it go." He did apparently | |||
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" because of the hunt saboteurs the government are intending to make trespass a criminal offence so they can be prosecuted " About time too! Finding 4 masked intruders causing damage to your property is no laughing matter! | |||
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"A fox is one of the few animals that kills for fun, along with us... so I say if the fox had a baseball bat, would he have stoved in the humans head ??? "They don't kill for fun. They kill what they can and come back for it at a later date. The reason being is they don't know when their next meal will be so they take advantage. | |||
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"So many opinions, but little if any knowledge of the law. As for the RSPCA they will only turn out if they think they can get some publicity from it." No knowledge of the law, but plenty knowledge of the RSPCA  | |||
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"Should an owner defend their chickens ?" Yes but not that way! Fucking stupid and idiotic thr way he went about it | |||
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"Should of built a better chicken coop.......baseball bat over the head? Think that's disgusting...." Better fencing too. | |||
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"Ah would of set the terriers on it, never mind a baseball bat " Wouldn't your wife have minded? | |||
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"What I cannot understand with this sorry event, is that a guy who is so talented in his career & profession as a Barrister, is utterly clueless, let alone brain dead, as to know what to do in this situation? Memo to myself. If I ever have to appear in court for a minor offence and he's my Defence counsel, I'll end up on the end of a noose and a Long Drop! "What would you have done ? | |||
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"What I cannot understand with this sorry event, is that a guy who is so talented in his career & profession as a Barrister, is utterly clueless, let alone brain dead, as to know what to do in this situation? Memo to myself. If I ever have to appear in court for a minor offence and he's my Defence counsel, I'll end up on the end of a noose and a Long Drop!
What would you have done ?"Not tweet about killing a fox i hope. | |||
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"So he used a bat ? Maybe he should be beaten around the skull with one see how he likes it absolutely barbaric " Barbaric, you should see what a fox leaves behind after it has been in a run. A 4/10 would have been better, that or it too be force chocked on a hen. Now badges, they also make a right mess. | |||
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"Could see it another way.. Hero saves frightened chickens by dispatching a snarling predator.. " Could see it another way... never happened | |||
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"Could see it another way.. Hero saves frightened chickens by dispatching a snarling predator.. Could see it another way... never happened " Seems a funny thing to brag about. | |||
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"Could see it another way.. Hero saves frightened chickens by dispatching a snarling predator.. " I suppose it depends on if you're the chicken or the fox. On balance it seems that people prefer many dead chickens to one dead fox | |||
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"Could see it another way.. Hero saves frightened chickens by dispatching a snarling predator.. I suppose it depends on if you're the chicken or the fox. On balance it seems that people prefer many dead chickens to one dead fox" Agreed and I for one have no preference or judgement on that | |||
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"Could see it another way.. Hero saves frightened chickens by dispatching a snarling predator.. Could see it another way... never happened Seems a funny thing to brag about. " There are some who would consider this a macho act .... I think anyone who had done this with any thought before during or after wouldn’t be broadcasting in this manner! There’s no benefit to further mention of the incident ... if the decision was made quickly to either benefit the chickens or the fox it matters not .... I would suggest someone balanced would keep the incident to themselves rather than sharing the blame, the pain, etc with others! But no worries, it’s my belief that no animals were harmed in the making of this none sense! | |||
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"So many opinions, but little if any knowledge of the law. As for the RSPCA they will only turn out if they think they can get some publicity from it. No knowledge of the law, but plenty knowledge of the RSPCA "Having been the owner of a pest control business I do have knowledge of the law. All wildlife, including rats, mice and foxes is protected under the wildlife and countryside act. There are aproved methods of control for all pests and vermin with severe penalties for anyone that brakes the rules. Here is a question; which of these would be against the law. If you saw a fox badly injured on the side of the road . Would you (A) asuming you had a firearm, Shoot it. (B) take a jack handle out of the boot of your car and end its suffering with a swift blow to the back of its head. Which is the most likely to land you in court? | |||
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"If you kill a fox you risk a brush with the law....." Depends how you kill it. | |||
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"So many opinions, but little if any knowledge of the law. As for the RSPCA they will only turn out if they think they can get some publicity from it. No knowledge of the law, but plenty knowledge of the RSPCA
Having been the owner of a pest control business I do have knowledge of the law.
All wildlife, including rats, mice and foxes is protected under the wildlife and countryside act.
There are aproved methods of control for all pests and vermin with severe penalties for anyone that brakes the rules.
Here is a question; which of these would be against the law. If you saw a fox badly injured on the side of the road . Would you (A) asuming you had a firearm, Shoot it.
(B) take a jack handle out of the boot of your car and end its suffering with a swift blow to the back of its head.
Which is the most likely to land you in court?
"This what I was trying to say but got shot down for it. Thank you | |||
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"If you kill a fox you risk a brush with the law..... Depends how you kill it." ....Go to the back of the [punology] class...  | |||
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"So many opinions, but little if any knowledge of the law. As for the RSPCA they will only turn out if they think they can get some publicity from it. No knowledge of the law, but plenty knowledge of the RSPCA
Having been the owner of a pest control business I do have knowledge of the law.
All wildlife, including rats, mice and foxes is protected under the wildlife and countryside act.
There are aproved methods of control for all pests and vermin with severe penalties for anyone that brakes the rules.
Here is a question; which of these would be against the law. If you saw a fox badly injured on the side of the road . Would you (A) asuming you had a firearm, Shoot it.
(B) take a jack handle out of the boot of your car and end its suffering with a swift blow to the back of its head.
Which is the most likely to land you in court?
This what I was trying to say but got shot down for it. Thank you
"But which is it? Im assuming the jack handle? | |||
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"If you kill a fox you risk a brush with the law....." Is that a Basil Brush with the law. Boom boom  | |||
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"So many opinions, but little if any knowledge of the law. As for the RSPCA they will only turn out if they think they can get some publicity from it. No knowledge of the law, but plenty knowledge of the RSPCA
Having been the owner of a pest control business I do have knowledge of the law.
All wildlife, including rats, mice and foxes is protected under the wildlife and countryside act.
There are aproved methods of control for all pests and vermin with severe penalties for anyone that brakes the rules.
Here is a question; which of these would be against the law. If you saw a fox badly injured on the side of the road . Would you (A) asuming you had a firearm, Shoot it.
(B) take a jack handle out of the boot of your car and end its suffering with a swift blow to the back of its head.
Which is the most likely to land you in court?
This what I was trying to say but got shot down for it. Thank you
But which is it? Im assuming the jack handle?"Discharging a firearm in a public place (even a legally owned one) is a criminal offence and will land you in court, and most likely prison. It is however perfectly legal to dispatch a injured animal with a jackhandle or similar object. | |||
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