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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If Scotland leave the Union and decide to rebuild Hadrian's wall to form a hard border then is this the politics of division described by some politicians ?

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

Hadrian's wall doesnt follow the modern border.

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By *idan31Man
over a year ago

ashby

"If Scotland leave the Union and decide to rebuild Hadrian's wall to form a hard border then is this the politics of division described by some politicians ?"

I could be wrong, but I think it was the English that built the wall in the first place?

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"If Scotland leave the Union and decide to rebuild Hadrian's wall to form a hard border then is this the politics of division described by some politicians ?

I could be wrong, but I think it was the English that built the wall in the first place?

You are, it was built by the Roman's.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local

As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"If Scotland leave the Union and decide to rebuild Hadrian's wall to form a hard border then is this the politics of division described by some politicians ?

I could be wrong, but I think it was the English that built the wall in the first place?

The Romans.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots..."

This

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By *ina JonesTV/TS
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.

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over a year ago

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it. "

Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.

Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...

Byzantium indeed

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it. "

Rome existed tho I am guessing..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.

Rome existed tho I am guessing.."

You would guess correctly, the name was kept as it had been called that for centuries. The same way that the name they gave London was kept, albeit shortened by 3 letters?

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

I am enjoying my little History lesson here today.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"I am enjoying my little History lesson here today. "

History is important.

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By *nto My ArmsMan
over a year ago

Herts/London

"I am enjoying my little History lesson here today.

History is important."

No future in it

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"I am enjoying my little History lesson here today.

History is important.

No future in it

Trollolololol

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

Scotland won't be able to leave the Union because Scotland can only hold a legitimate Independence referendum if the Westminster Parliament devolves the power to do so under Section 30.

The Tories will not do that.

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By *rimtonMan
over a year ago

Bromley

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

This

I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.

Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...

Kind of true, but Romania was actually where the Romans retired their soldiers to.

Hence the name

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If the wall is rebuilt and you live just north of south of it then would you prefer to be north or south of it..

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

This

I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.

Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...

Kind of true, but Romania was actually where the Romans retired their soldiers to.

Hence the name"

They retired them to where ever it suited them at the time

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

Rebuild it and give us the vote if they want independence.. problem solved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all about re-branding. The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire, which then became The Holy Roman Catholic Church and then just the Roman Catholic church. The current Pope is essentially a re-branded Emperor.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I thought they have them a small piece of land

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

The wall itself follows a big chunk of the natural geological boundary where scotland collided into the north of england.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"It's all about re-branding. The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire, which then became The Holy Roman Catholic Church and then just the Roman Catholic church. The current Pope is essentially a re-branded Emperor."

The holy roman empire is something entirely different that existed until 1806 when it was dissolved by napoleon. It was a confederation of independent german and italian states under the leadership of an emperor. The emperor was usually an Austrian of the habsburg dynasty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If Scotland leave the Union and decide to rebuild Hadrian's wall to form a hard border then is this the politics of division described by some politicians ?

I could be wrong, but I think it was the English that built the wall in the first place?

You are, it was built by the Roman's."

What have the Roman’s ever done for us ?

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

Hadrians Wall runs from Newcastle upon Tyne in the East to Bowness on Solway in the West, so at its easterly point ( called Wallsend) it’s over 60 miles from the Scottish border.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All part of the plot to hide the truth.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

All part of the plot to hide the truth.

What truth are you referring to?

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

This

I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.

Rome existed tho I am guessing.."
wasn’t built in a day though

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another "

I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another

I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement."

Or me. Its almost 2000 years old and almost entirely ruined.

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another "

The current border was established in 1237, so I think it’s best left exactly where it is.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another

I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement."

Weren't those areas Scottish at one time. Mainly sheep farmers and the like one day serving an English king and the next a Scottish one. They should be included in the vote in my opinion. Many Northumbrians and Cumbrians may want to stay with the Scots...

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By *rimtonMan
over a year ago

Bromley

There are actually 2 Roman walls, hadrians and the other one, begins with an a.

Antoine maybe

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Antonine. It was a ditch with wooden structures and went from Glasgow across to the rast. Antonine conquered that far up but they withdrew due to military pressure.

They decided to stick at Hadrian's wall

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are actually 2 Roman walls, hadrians and the other one, begins with an a.

Antoine maybe "

“A” wall ?

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another

I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement.

I’ll repeat, the border was established in 1237, that’s almost 800 years ago. Some Northumbrians and Cumbrians May indeed want to become part of Scotland ( not stay) but most wont. If you’d

ever been north of Watford, you would know that very little actually remains of Hadrians Wall and I’m sure it would be much cheaper to build a new artificial border if that ever became a serious project.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another

I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement.

I’ll repeat, the border was established in 1237, that’s almost 800 years ago. Some Northumbrians and Cumbrians May indeed want to become part of Scotland ( not stay) but most wont. If you’d

See I havent been that far north and I knew that.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another

I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement.

I’ll repeat, the border was established in 1237, that’s almost 800 years ago. Some Northumbrians and Cumbrians May indeed want to become part of Scotland ( not stay) but most wont. If you’d

Just read up on the treaty of york, very interesting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Scotland won't be able to leave the Union because Scotland can only hold a legitimate Independence referendum if the Westminster Parliament devolves the power to do so under Section 30.

The Tories will not do that."

The Scots will decide their own destiny. If the SNP increase their majority in the forthcoming Holyrood elections, they will see that as a mandate for independence and good luck with the Westminster Tories trying to stop them.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If it's a hard border then who pays? I am not sure the border has ever been fixed and there were not maps in those days..

The border would probably split farms in half..

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"If it's a hard border then who pays? I am not sure the border has ever been fixed and there were not maps in those days..

The border would probably split farms in half.. "

I don’t know how many times I have to repeat myself. The border was established by the Treaty of York in 1237 and yes, there were maps way back then and for centuries before that.

I’m also sure there will never be a hard border in the sense you mean.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...

This

I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.

Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...

Kind of true, but Romania was actually where the Romans retired their soldiers to.

Hence the name

They retired them to where ever it suited them at the time"

Many were originally from far flung places in their empire and could also end up remaining near the locations they'd been stationed at

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By *asilForty77Man
over a year ago

a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road

Please! Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who. We are here today to witness the union of two young people in the joyful bond of the holy wedlock. Unfortunately, one of them, my son Herbert, has just fallen to his death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Build it high as possible and put all the moaning jocks behind it and tell them get on selling ??????

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I think a hard border is unlikely because farms would be split and perhaps even housing estates.. although it would be interesting that a farm could sell both English and Scottish lamb.

The natural border would be Hadrian's wall although it is mostly derelict. I believe that over the last hundred years or so that local housebuilders used it as cheap source of stone to build cottages. I think it is illegal to take stone from Hadrian's wall today mind

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"I think a hard border is unlikely because farms would be split and perhaps even housing estates.. although it would be interesting that a farm could sell both English and Scottish lamb.

Why would the natural border be Hadrian’s a Wall? Why not Edinburgh?

Parts of Essex are nearer to the South Coast than Newcastle is to the English/ Scottish Border. Stone from Hadrians’s Wall will have been taken for other use for nearly 2000 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When the wall was built it was the Caledonians who lived north of there. Then the Picts by the end of the Roman Empire. Then in the Dark Ages the Scots invaded from Hibernia (Ireland).

The Vikings arrived in the 9th and 10th centuries.

So basically Scotland is full of barbarian nutters who we should be glad to be rid of...

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"I am enjoying my little History lesson here today. "

Here's more then. There was no Kingdom of Scotland until about the middle of the ninth century - hundreds of years after the Romans left Britain.

Romania was Dacia until AD106, when Trajan finally conquered it. That's one of the reasons it was renamed.

The Romans who got their own wee plot of land were retired Legionnaries - and they had to survive 25 years of service in the army to qualify. Back then, no mean feat; even if you weren't on the front line.

As for rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. No. It's a monument to the past. It's a tourist attraction. Leave it be. LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they want independence let them have it but why should we prop them up financially at the same time

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

OP, I'm not sure why you are obsessed with the idea of a Roman wall becoming the border between England and Scotland.

It has never been the border between them and there is no reason for that to change.

There is a very legal and acceptable border already in place, and there has been for centuries.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"OP, I'm not sure why you are obsessed with the idea of a Roman wall becoming the border between England and Scotland.

It has never been the border between them and there is no reason for that to change.

There is a very legal and acceptable border already in place, and there has been for centuries. "

Wall envy. Donald Trump pulled out his giant wall so now we need one too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How high should it be?

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"I am enjoying my little History lesson here today.

Here's more then. There was no Kingdom of Scotland until about the middle of the ninth century - hundreds of years after the Romans left Britain.

Romania was Dacia until AD106, when Trajan finally conquered it. That's one of the reasons it was renamed.

As for rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. No. It's a monument to the past. It's a tourist attraction. Leave it be. LOL"

And ‘officially’, they were finally allow to marry. Although most were already unofficially married to the local indigenous population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What have the Romans ever given us?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What have the Romans ever given us?"

Orgies

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"What have the Romans ever given us?"

Roads for instance, as there were none before they came.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What have the Romans ever given us?

Roads for instance, as there were none before they came.

Yea but apart from that what have they evet done for us

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By *eastAndTheHarlotCouple
over a year ago

Hartlepool

Wallsend (literally where the wall ends) is pretty far from Scotland like. We stole bits of Scotland over the years and if you'd like to know what happens when they try to take land back then look up the Irish 'troubles'.

The wall will remain nothing but a historical landmark.

Visit the roman settlement in Wallsend through, it's pretty cool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yea sounds thrilling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Scotland won't be able to leave the Union because Scotland can only hold a legitimate Independence referendum if the Westminster Parliament devolves the power to do so under Section 30.

The Tories will not do that.

Going to need a shitload of popcorn for that one..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Scotland won't be able to leave the Union because Scotland can only hold a legitimate Independence referendum if the Westminster Parliament devolves the power to do so under Section 30.

The Tories will not do

Going to need a shitload of popcorn for that one.."

Haha fuck me im so enthralled

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

If we all pitch in, we can move it south and build it round inside the M25...then charge and exit fee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or we can learn to txt properly

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The border has been traditionally the wall that Hadrian built..

Why change thousands of years of history

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Scotland should have their independence, then we won't have to hear that poisoned dwarf Sturgeon bleating on about it. And let's rebuild a new wall Along the border too!

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"The border has been traditionally the wall that Hadrian built..

Why change thousands of years of history "

No it hasn’t. Where do you get that idea from? Either you’re just a wind up merchant or you have no f***ing knowledge of history

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"What have the Romans ever given us?

Roads for instance, as there were none before they came.

Yea but apart from that what have they evet done for us "

You could also argue writing and keeping records, which the Romans were rather good at. Before they arrive, the evidence we have for literacy are Iron Age coins, and writing on pots and cavern walls.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The border has been traditionally the wall that Hadrian built..

Why change thousands of years of history "

Hadrian's Wall has never been the border. Never.

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening. "

It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening.

It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age!"

Normally that's Basildon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All answers lie in Tacitus. I have the Loeb editions but they're pretty pricey. Worth it though if you're looking to delve into Britain's pax Romana.

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening. "

Much the same as Brexit then...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what have the Romans ever done for us?

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"what have the Romans ever done for us?

Wine, orgies, bulimia!

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening.

It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age!"

Oi!

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By *ax777Man
over a year ago

Not here

"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening.

It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age!

Oi! "

It was a reference to the OP, not Essex in general.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening.

It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age!

Oi!

It was a reference to the OP, not Essex in general.

Accepted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening. "

Well, everywhere went into a dark age when the classical world finally collapsed. I'd suggest.

The East hobbled on a while longer it could be argued, maybe.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Well, credit to the OP for doggedly sticking to his line no matter how many times it is refuted with facts and history.

It's a perfect example of where we're at.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody Romans

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Well if it wasn't the border then why did the Romans build it there ? I don't trust these so called scholars one bit.

It might not of been totally accurate because the Romans had no maps etc and were primitive but it kept the English safe from the Scottish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well if it wasn't the border then why did the Romans build it there ? I don't trust these so called scholars one bit.

It might not of been totally accurate because the Romans had no maps etc and were primitive but it kept the English safe from the Scottish "

Wonderful race the Romans

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