FabSwingers.com forum: Transphobia!

By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

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By *ust ClareTV/TS
over a year ago

Settlewick!

Until 1994,anal sex was illegal between a man and a woman;so the trans woman,if insistent on being treated as a woman would be breaking the law,but ...if she identified as her 'male birth gender', she would be acting perfectly legally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

Totally agree why don't people like the transit van. Its a decent little van ffs.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

Too right. I'm totally straight, it's the men fucking me up the bum that are gay xx

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

"Too right. I'm totally straight, it's the men fucking me up the bum that are gay xx "

But if you were to identify as female, they would be as straight as a die!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe we should spend less time caring about the words we use and more time mushing our genitals together.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

"Maybe we should spend less time caring about the words we use and more time mushing our genitals together."

I can get behind this sentiment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will trans people one day show up in the fossil record?

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By *TJxComboMan
over a year ago

birmingham

I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think "

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?"

Beat me to it.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"Too right. I'm totally straight, it's the men fucking me up the bum that are gay xx

But if you were to identify as female, they would be as straight as a die!"

Ooohh yes, how clever. We are all straight in that scenario. I need to change my sexuality from bi to straight! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think "

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe we should spend less time caring about the words we use and more time mushing our genitals together."

You know if Hallmark made a card for that I'd send it to you?

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By *atindollTV/TS
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Maybe we should spend less time caring about the words we use and more time mushing our genitals together.

I can get behind this sentiment.

Then get thee behind me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?"

Very seXXY

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe we should spend less time caring about the words we use and more time mushing our genitals together.

I can get behind this sentiment.

Then get thee behind me"

Are we forming an orderly queue?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

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what does open minded mean you must accept everything as gospel no matter what it is we all have a limit to what we find acceptable

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

Very seXXY

love that answer x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

what does open minded mean you must accept everything as gospel no matter what it is we all have a limit to what we find acceptable "

It's a fair point. Open minded means your open to another viewpoint and will accept it or refect it on its merits. This implies the opportunity to reject.

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By *osieburnsTV/TS
over a year ago

DIDCOT

Chip's for supper again I see

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By *osieburnsTV/TS
over a year ago

DIDCOT

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think "

420 friendly !!! Is that something against the law by any chance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

Very seXXY

love that answer x "

Thank you

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think "

Lots of people have had their gender changed via surgery, by very skilful surgeons - despite what you think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

what does open minded mean you must accept everything as gospel no matter what it is we all have a limit to what we find acceptable "

It's to be anti-oppressive I would of thought.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I cringe at that word.. it's so unsuitable..

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By *hechapMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Until 1994,anal sex was illegal between a man and a woman;so the trans woman,if insistent on being treated as a woman would be breaking the law,but ...if she identified as her 'male birth gender', she would be acting perfectly legally

The government has been shafting us up the arse from as far back as i can remember long before 1994.

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By *utterflyandArtificeCouple
over a year ago

Trowbridge

"Maybe we should spend less time caring about the words we use and more time mushing our genitals together."

This xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?"

Yes, they are intersex, go Google it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Lots of people have had their gender changed via surgery, by very skilful surgeons - despite what you think."

Ignorant people who can't tell the difference between sex and gender. D'oh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think "

No. But you can have interventions that will align your body with your gender.

You do know gender in in your head not between your legs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?"

They have Klinefelter syndrome and would be very rare!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Lots of people have had their gender changed via surgery, by very skilful surgeons - despite what you think.

Ignorant people who can't tell the difference between sex and gender. D'oh!

What is the difference?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Lots of people have had their gender changed via surgery, by very skilful surgeons - despite what you think.

Ignorant people who can't tell the difference between sex and gender. D'oh!

What is the difference?"

Your sex is linked to your genitals whilst your gender is more the way you think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

They have Klinefelter syndrome and would be very rare! "

Not that rare. Between 1/500 and 1/1000 is their guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

They have Klinefelter syndrome and would be very rare!

Not that rare. Between 1/500 and 1/1000 is their guess. "

Yup I learned 1/1000

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Why is this even a post?

It’s irrelevant

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Why is this even a post?

It’s irrelevant "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are people not entitled to their opinions?! That's what makes our country so good in that we are all able to have free speech. And without discussions like this then it stays out of the thought process.

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By *oppolocosTV/TS
over a year ago

inverurie

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

What consenting adults do to and with each other is nobody's business but theirs. That said if you don't like to see it then again that's nobody's business but yours.

The reality is that there is the law and what people think. The former can help with the latter, but it is impossible to make everybody think the same. Someday, maybe, everyone will be more accepting and considerate but till then we all have to try and be a bit better at such things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Lots of people have had their gender changed via surgery, by very skilful surgeons - despite what you think.

Ignorant people who can't tell the difference between sex and gender. D'oh!

I asked this question to challenge the poster that I quoted, who appeared to believe you “can’t change your gender”, which is often a belief of people invested in the idea there is a chromosomal binary.

I asked the question to point out that chromosomal sex isn’t straight forward, nor does it define gender.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think "

Wrong as usual

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Wrong as usual

It’s a common misconception. We align our sex with or gender. It’s only what’s on the outside that gets changed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Lots of people have had their gender changed via surgery, by very skilful surgeons - despite what you think.

Ignorant people who can't tell the difference between sex and gender. D'oh!

What is the difference?

Your sex is linked to your genitals whilst your gender is more the way you think. "

Are chromosomes sex or gender?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Lots of people have had their gender changed via surgery, by very skilful surgeons - despite what you think.

Ignorant people who can't tell the difference between sex and gender. D'oh!

What is the difference?

Your sex is linked to your genitals whilst your gender is more the way you think.

Are chromosomes sex or gender?"

They affect both.

They don’t test trans people’s chromosomes for various reasons including that it’s not just those that determine gender.

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By *234 hot sairaTV/TS
over a year ago

west midland

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

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Grow up stirrer.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?"

A mutant... what superpowers do they have?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

A mutant... what superpowers do they have?"

Not as funny as I imagine you thought that would come across.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

A mutant... what superpowers do they have?

Not as funny as I imagine you thought that would come across. "

I have tried to rewrite a reply to that comment a number of times but can't fathom one that wouldn't get me on the naughty step.

That comment should be changed to removed by poster.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Lots of people have had their gender changed via surgery, by very skilful surgeons - despite what you think.

Ignorant people who can't tell the difference between sex and gender. D'oh!

What is the difference?

Your sex is linked to your genitals whilst your gender is more the way you think.

Are chromosomes sex or gender?

They affect both.

They don’t test trans people’s chromosomes for various reasons including that it’s not just those that determine gender. "

Thank you.

I know I can Google, but asking/ answering on here means many people can read it- especially those who may not bother looking it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always someone happy to have a pop at transwomen it seems.

I'm a transwoman who's had medical interventions, including a vaginoplasty, to align my body with how I see myself. It's not perfect and I'm not trying to pretend that it makes me a cis woman, but it makes me feel a lot better about myself and I don't think I'm hurting anyone by doing it. The alternative would have been a lifetime of depression, or possibly suicide, because that's how bad life is for people like me, we don't make these choices on a whim.

Does anyone actually think that transwomen enjoy being the way we are? Because it's bloody hard, let me tell you. I wish that I had been born happy in the body that I came with, just like most of you 'normal' people out there, but it wasn't to be, unfortunately.

All I want, as with most transwomen, is to be allowed to live my life in peace, without always waiting for the next hurtful comment from someone who doesn't even realise the effect their words can have upon the wellbeing of transwomen.

We may be a joke to some of you, but to us, it really isn't very funny at all...

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By *rx1Couple
over a year ago

Near Okehampton.

"Too right. I'm totally straight, it's the men fucking me up the bum that are gay xx

But if you were to identify as female, they would be as straight as a die!

Ooohh yes, how clever. We are all straight in that scenario. I need to change my sexuality from bi to straight! x "

You will just blend in with all the other 'Fab straight' guys on here

Dont do it, far to many of those already

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Always someone happy to have a pop at transwomen it seems.

We may be a joke to some of you, but to us, it really isn't very funny at all..."

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By *affeine DuskMan
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Always someone happy to have a pop at transwomen it seems.

We may be a joke to some of you, but to us, it really isn't very funny at all..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?"

Male

Turner syndrome I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

Male

Turner syndrome I think"

Wrong chromosomal syndrome, oops.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

XXY. WXY. WHY? I don't care. It's the kind of person you are that matters to me and everything else is just details.

I'm giving out free hugs. Anyone want one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t you just love the way people unaffected by gender dysmorphia tend to have such strong options on this subject?

Do they feel threatened in some way by what is under my clothes?

How about you try being nice to people rather than enjoying getting on your soapbox unaware of the pain your uneducated words cause to people like me.

There’s a lot of reasons why the suicide rate for trans people is so high and transphobia is the route cause of many of them.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Always someone happy to have a pop at transwomen it seems.

We may be a joke to some of you, but to us, it really isn't very funny at all..."

Live your life in peace..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No hugs then?

And to think I put myself out there..

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

Two consenting adults don't need a lawyer to define anal sex.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"Always someone happy to have a pop at transwomen it seems.

We may be a joke to some of you, but to us, it really isn't very funny at all..."

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

Two consenting adults don't need a lawyer to define anal sex."

Lovely sentiment and true

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

A mutant... what superpowers do they have?

Not as funny as I imagine you thought that would come across.

I have tried to rewrite a reply to that comment a number of times but can't fathom one that wouldn't get me on the naughty step.

That comment should be changed to removed by poster."

Or how about realising that the comment was light hearted and deflecting from the fact that people get so strung up about biology vs whatever else? It was deliberately ridiculous- do you honestly believe I think individuals who are not CIS XX/XY are mutants?

I really dont care what an individuals' genetics say. If someone is happy presenting a certain way then more power to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

A mutant... what superpowers do they have?

Not as funny as I imagine you thought that would come across.

I have tried to rewrite a reply to that comment a number of times but can't fathom one that wouldn't get me on the naughty step.

That comment should be changed to removed by poster.

I really dont care what an individuals' genetics say. If someone is happy presenting a certain way then more power to them."

If you had any sense of decency you'd remove the post because it's hurtful. Instead you defend it with the oldest line in the bully handbook. You aren't making any friends. You haven't impressed anyone with your satire. In fact you've just filtered yourself.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

On a slightly side note.

There has been a decrease in acceptance of the LGBT community recently, hopefully this isn't the beginning of a slow slide to the old times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On a slightly side note.

There has been a decrease in acceptance of the LGBT community recently, hopefully this isn't the beginning of a slow slide to the old times."

We're never going back to old times. You have a voice now.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think "

Sex and gender are human devised concepts that aren't as clear and certainly not as you propose to be thinking. Someone may be assigned to a specific sex from birth, due to the perception of the medical professional - this alone is open to bias and mistakes and a binary choice may not be effective, nor accurate. Gender is somewhat different and a baby hasn't the cognitive abilities to appreciate, understand, communicate nor desire to be limited in the straight-jacketed mindset styles of some others who are older. It's better to have an open mind, love your babies, children and adults as individuals as well as have sex and love those people who are right. Labels may have some uses but each person is never a label.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

This!!!

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By *hank you sirMan
over a year ago

colchester

?? I dont think I the law really care who's shagging who, its society that's not ready

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"?? I dont think I the law really care who's shagging who, its society that's not ready"

We will change that

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Society in this country is definitely sliding backwards. Hate is not just increasing, it is being encouraged by the people right at the top of the tree. For most of my life i have been lucky to see everything slowly improving, but no more. I fear that by the end of my lifetime all the gains and more will have been wiped out. Every minority will blame another minority, the majority will hate all the minorities, the few at the top will be lauded for the good job they have done in orchestrating the self-oppression of everybody.

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

PMSL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

How is ones sex at birth open to bias? Other than exceptionally rare circumstances (intersex)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Society in this country is definitely sliding backwards. Hate is not just increasing, it is being encouraged by the people right at the top of the tree. For most of my life i have been lucky to see everything slowly improving, but no more. I fear that by the end of my lifetime all the gains and more will have been wiped out. Every minority will blame another minority, the majority will hate all the minorities, the few at the top will be lauded for the good job they have done in orchestrating the self-oppression of everybody."

I'm positive on the way forward, the progressive mindset is gaining ground. Take for example Ann Widdecombe vs Luke Pollard. Sorry for finding this hilarious but it was.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Brexit has brought this to fore front.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brexit has brought this to fore front."

Agreed.

I feel people have felt they can express their dislike for ‘foreigners’ and ‘minority’ groups more freely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brexit has brought this to fore front.

Agreed.

I feel people have felt they can express their dislike for ‘foreigners’ and ‘minority’ groups more freely. "

Sometimes it can be quite funny. Many of the European people I work with have at least one science doctorate sometimes two and to see shop assistants talking slowly (because foreigners are stupid) and loudly (Loudly? Really?) (Because foreigners are deaf) with exaggerated mouth movements.... it's very funny when most of those people have a better command of the English language than we do.

One very helpful assistant, after hearing I was from Africa (yup it's a country) ussumed I was fresh off the dingy and explained how a card machine works. I played along and marveled at the wonders of electricity. Bless him

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Africa is a country ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Africa is a country ?"

Yup.

"I'm going to Africa!"

"Africa Africa"

I bought a house here and because the lady selling it couldn't identify the accent she assumed we were from America. On the phone to the finance company she said were from America so we corrected her and said Africa. She corrected herself and said we were African Americans.

I was very proud!

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

A mutant... what superpowers do they have?

Not as funny as I imagine you thought that would come across.

I have tried to rewrite a reply to that comment a number of times but can't fathom one that wouldn't get me on the naughty step.

That comment should be changed to removed by poster.

I really dont care what an individuals' genetics say. If someone is happy presenting a certain way then more power to them.

Hurtful to whom exactly? The XXY chromosomal disorder also known as Klinefelders is a very rare condition prevalent in 0.005% of the population. The only known association with LGBTQ is a study of 32 subjects that found a very minor elevation in body dysmorphia, caused by the physical symptoms of hypogonadism and infertility and a level of gynaecomastia, which was secondary to elevated autism levels. In reality this condition has approximately zero relevance to the OPs topic.

I have no issues with trans people of any label or descriptor but seeing as my sexual preference is for biological females, I dont think I am filtering myself from any demographic I am interested in.

Or are you assuming your right to be offended is more important than my right to free expression on a public forum when I haven't made a directed derogatory remark about any individual?

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over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

A mutant... what superpowers do they have?

Not as funny as I imagine you thought that would come across.

I have tried to rewrite a reply to that comment a number of times but can't fathom one that wouldn't get me on the naughty step.

That comment should be changed to removed by poster.

I really dont care what an individuals' genetics say. If someone is happy presenting a certain way then more power to them.

I have no issues with trans people of any label or descriptor but seeing as my sexual preference is for biological females, I dont think I am filtering myself from any demographic I am interested in.

Or are you assuming your right to be offended is more important than my right to free expression on a public forum when I haven't made a directed derogatory remark about any individual?"

You're all about freedom of expression. So am I. Perhaps you missed the reaction to your comment. Hurtful to anyone whom you collectively refer to a mutants. It does not offend me personally. But this is me using my freedom of expression to A let people like you know that derogatory comments directed at people less fortunate than yourself WILL be shouted down. B let anyone on this forum who dares to be different know that there are people who aren't different who stand behind them and respect them as fellow human beings.

Gone are the days when infantile hurtful comments like yours are snickered at. They are just seen for what they are. Hurtful, thoughless words coming from someone insecure trying to big themselves up by making a joke out of someone else.

Why is keeping that comment there so important to you? Do you think it's THAT hilarious? Really?

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Well if you have a problem with any trans person you can always cross the road.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting thread...

I'm actually digging into the brain a bit deeper now!

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

How is everyone today ?

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over a year ago

"How is everyone today ?

I've woken up in an amazingly good mood. Worn myself out dancing in my office. Wooohooo. I'm nuts!

How are you?

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts "

Being intersex is actually about as common as being ginger. My dad is ginger with green eyes and is therefore rarer than being intersex

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over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts

Being intersex is actually about as common as being ginger. My dad is ginger with green eyes and is therefore rarer than being intersex

That has blown my mind

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts

Being intersex is actually about as common as being ginger. My dad is ginger with green eyes and is therefore rarer than being intersex

That has blown my mind

The more you know eh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts

Being intersex is actually about as common as being ginger. My dad is ginger with green eyes and is therefore rarer than being intersex

I have only met one person who I know to be intersex and she is an amazing person, much loved and very loving in return despite all that she has been through. That's 1/1 for people I've met. Like I said earlier very seXXY

To me it doesn't matter. People are people. What they are made of doesn't matter to me at all. Btw I'm made of snips and snails and puppy dogs tails. Go haters go!

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts

Being intersex is actually about as common as being ginger. My dad is ginger with green eyes and is therefore rarer than being intersex

To me it doesn't matter. People are people. What they are made of doesn't matter to me at all. Btw I'm made of snips and snails and puppy dogs tails. Go haters go!"

The thing is very few of us have genetic testing so it is entirely possible for intersex people not to know that they are if they have no or only very subtle physical differences.

I've knowingly met two intersex people and only knew because they told me. One knew from birth and had various operations as a child, the other had no idea until she tried to conceive and unfortunately discovered through testing that she had no ovaries. Quite sad to be honest.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts

Being intersex is actually about as common as being ginger. My dad is ginger with green eyes and is therefore rarer than being intersex

To me it doesn't matter. People are people. What they are made of doesn't matter to me at all. Btw I'm made of snips and snails and puppy dogs tails. Go haters go!

The thing is very few of us have genetic testing so it is entirely possible for intersex people not to know that they are if they have no or only very subtle physical differences.

Might not have been no ovaries. It could have been not properly formed. I can't remember fully as it was many years ago but either way she wasn't capable of having her own biological children.

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over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

I'm very open minded but I have to agree with this. You can change the gender you identify as but your natural gender is in your DNA. You can't change that, your core gender will always be what you were born

Although the way science is moving these days there is always a possibility things might change

Sorry if this pisses anyone off but it's my view and I think no less of anyone who wants to change their gender because of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gender is a social construct! We can identify as any gender BUT sex is what we are born as!

People are confusing gender and sex!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts

Being intersex is actually about as common as being ginger. My dad is ginger with green eyes and is therefore rarer than being intersex

To me it doesn't matter. People are people. What they are made of doesn't matter to me at all. Btw I'm made of snips and snails and puppy dogs tails. Go haters go!

The thing is very few of us have genetic testing so it is entirely possible for intersex people not to know that they are if they have no or only very subtle physical differences.

Where I come from the lovely caring government used to spray DDT into the air to combat mosquitoes. One of the people from there is an athlete and has been subjected to some of the most hideous and humiliating examinations. It's heartbreaking.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Although the way science is moving these days there is always a possibility things might change

Sorry if this pisses anyone off but it's my view and I think no less of anyone who wants to change their gender because of it "

Gender is the role within a society or as a species and is often incorrectly used by the general public in place of sex.

Sex is male/female/intersex. Biological and genetic differences.

Once people start to make a knowledgeable difference between gender and sex it will be much more accurate in what each side is championing for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gender is a social construct! We can identify as any gender BUT sex is what we are born as!

People are confusing gender and sex! "

This new knowledge will definitely change the way I word things in future.

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The difference between gender and sex is...

Gender is something I really ignore.

Sex is something I really enjoy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gender is a social construct! We can identify as any gender BUT sex is what we are born as!

People are confusing gender and sex! "

SOME people consider gender to be a social construct as of late but lets be honest its just more made up ideological non-sense.

Everyone through human history have used sex and gender interchangeably.

Its only been in recent years that people grabbed hold of the word gender because they know that the science is settled on sex, so they come up with this whole “social construct/ gender fluid” stuff.

Why are people pretending things that up untill two minuets ago we all knew to be facts

There are Men Women and Trans people.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Sex is what is between your legs; gender is what is between your ears.

Basically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sex is what is between your legs; gender is what is between your ears.

Basically."

I must be sex due to the fact that I'm so often between people's legs.

On this basis I have decided to call myself Multisex. Yes. It's now a thing.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Gender is a social construct! We can identify as any gender BUT sex is what we are born as!

People are confusing gender and sex!

SOME people consider gender to be a social construct as of late but lets be honest its just more made up ideological non-sense.

Everyone through human history have used sex and gender interchangeably.

Why are people pretending things that up untill two minuets ago we all knew to be facts

There are Men Women and Trans people. "

The idea of more than two genders has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

Why do you care so much anyway?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The idea of more than two genders has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

Why do you care so much anyway?"

As have many other “ideas” but it doesn't make them any more valid. My using everyone was quite far reaching i admit but the point still remains.

And i don’t care as such, but its certainly worth speaking up if someone is saying things as though they are facts when they aren't.

This is a discussion board it it not?

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

"Gender is a social construct! We can identify as any gender BUT sex is what we are born as!

People are confusing gender and sex!

SOME people consider gender to be a social construct as of late but lets be honest its just more made up ideological non-sense.

Everyone through human history have used sex and gender interchangeably.

Why are people pretending things that up untill two minuets ago we all knew to be facts

There are Men Women and Trans people.

The idea of more than two genders has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

Why do you care so much anyway?"

Let's just be happy and let people be happy .

Is Christmas love you all no matter what

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gender is a social construct! We can identify as any gender BUT sex is what we are born as!

People are confusing gender and sex!

SOME people consider gender to be a social construct as of late but lets be honest its just more made up ideological non-sense.

Everyone through human history have used sex and gender interchangeably.

Why are people pretending things that up untill two minuets ago we all knew to be facts

There are Men Women and Trans people.

The idea of more than two genders has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

Why do you care so much anyway?"

Hapi being one example.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts

Being intersex is actually about as common as being ginger. My dad is ginger with green eyes and is therefore rarer than being intersex

You obviously dont come from an area with a Celtic population. Where my family are from there is a really high proportion of ginger kids.

Come to think of it, the old milkman was ginger...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've married two redheads so far... Miss C is naturally a redhead....

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Your profile states 'open minded' you don't come across that way.

Theres being open minded and there is adherence to biological facts. There are men, women and in exceptionally rare instances intersex people.

More power to trans people as far as im concerned but facts are facts

Being intersex is actually about as common as being ginger. My dad is ginger with green eyes and is therefore rarer than being intersex

You obviously dont come from an area with a Celtic population. Where my family are from there is a really high proportion of ginger kids.

Come to think of it, the old milkman was ginger...

Not really sure how the area I come from would affect the statistics

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

The idea of more than two genders has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

Why do you care so much anyway?

As have many other “ideas” but it doesn't make them any more valid. My using everyone was quite far reaching i admit but the point still remains.

And i don’t care as such, but its certainly worth speaking up if someone is saying things as though they are facts when they aren't.

This is a discussion board it it not? "

So are you saying people are wrong about their own gender?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?"

An infertile male, well about 95% are

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

The idea of more than two genders has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

Why do you care so much anyway?

As have many other “ideas” but it doesn't make them any more valid. My using everyone was quite far reaching i admit but the point still remains.

And i don’t care as such, but its certainly worth speaking up if someone is saying things as though they are facts when they aren't.

This is a discussion board it it not?

So are you saying people are wrong about their own gender?

Just checked mine.. still good

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

The idea of more than two genders has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

Why do you care so much anyway?

As have many other “ideas” but it doesn't make them any more valid. My using everyone was quite far reaching i admit but the point still remains.

And i don’t care as such, but its certainly worth speaking up if someone is saying things as though they are facts when they aren't.

This is a discussion board it it not?

So are you saying people are wrong about their own gender?

Just checked mine.. still good

I checked mine ... still good

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By *artyanna16TV/TS
over a year ago

seacroft

Id suggest they are a magnet for bigots and bullies, at the same time as being seemingly repellant to them ! They are usually able to see into the future , you obviously cant !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So looking at the postings above. Just to recap. Your gender is what's between your ears.

How many people have a hiddena gengder?

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

"So looking at the postings above. Just to recap. Your gender is what's between your ears.

How many people have a hiddena gengder?"

No idea i will google it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So looking at the postings above. Just to recap. Your gender is what's between your ears.

How many people have a hiddena gengder?

No idea i will google it "

Arrrg clumsy fingers...

Hidna gender

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

"So looking at the postings above. Just to recap. Your gender is what's between your ears.

How many people have a hiddena gengder?

No idea i will google it

Arrrg clumsy fingers...

Hidna gender"

Ok i will Google it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So looking at the postings above. Just to recap. Your gender is what's between your ears.

How many people have a hiddena gengder?

No idea i will google it

Arrrg clumsy fingers...

Hidna gender

Ok i will Google it "

What came back?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It works better when you say it to Google

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Just let people lives their lives in peace

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

I Google it and comes up exactly that " why don't you just let people be happy "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I Google it and comes up exactly that " why don't you just let people be happy ""

Try saying it like this:

Hidden agenda

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

Ok if makes you happy

I will shout loud ok

HIDDEN AGENDA

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

Are you happy now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you happy now

Yeah you've made my day. That's what this thread is about. A hidden agenda.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"Are you happy now

Yeah you've made my day. That's what this thread is about. A hidden agenda.

No its not

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

What exactly is the hidden Agenda? Can anyone explain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crikey. Is this still going?

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

"What exactly is the hidden Agenda? Can anyone explain?"

I have the same question as you i have no idea what that mean but i always say yes just to make people happy . I will wait probably like for that answer about what is hidden agenda .

Btw is Crhistmas time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What exactly is the hidden Agenda? Can anyone explain?

I have the same question as you i have no idea what that mean but i always say yes just to make people happy . I will wait probably like for that answer about what is hidden agenda .

Btw is Crhistmas time "

Well there is no hidden agenda if you read the thread title and OPs initial posting and consider it a genuine heartfelt objection to transphobia.

If you consider that everything after the said after the first sentence may be deliberately incorrect in order to evoke the required response and set the liberals and homophobic at each others thoats there is a hidden agenda.

OP certainly hasn't participated in his own debate. Some people like to set a cat anongst the pigeons, sit back and watch everyone else fight it out.

But really word play between a gender and agenda. Like most wordplay, once you have to explain it, it loses its panache.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What exactly is the hidden Agenda? Can anyone explain?"

It's not particularly well hidden.

The object is to ridicule and dehumanise transwomen.

Well try all you like, but we aren't going away!

As I go about my daily business I get to see that the vast majority of people are totally accepting and the few bigots who aren't don't even matter.

The dinosaurs are dying out yet again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What exactly is the hidden Agenda? Can anyone explain?

It's not particularly well hidden.

The object is to ridicule and dehumanise transwomen.

Well try all you like, but we aren't going away!

As I go about my daily business I get to see that the vast majority of people are totally accepting and the few bigots who aren't don't even matter.

The dinosaurs are dying out yet again.

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?"

They are male with and extra X chromosome. (Klinefelter syndrome).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Too right. I'm totally straight, it's the men fucking me up the bum that are gay xx

But if you were to identify as female, they would be as straight as a die!"

I would disagree. But it doesn't bother me who's fucking who, what does it matter? I just think all the different labels knocking about are ridiculous. Fuck who you want to fuck, why does it need to be labelled or justified?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Too right. I'm totally straight, it's the men fucking me up the bum that are gay xx

But if you were to identify as female, they would be as straight as a die!

this!

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

Maybe that's what you like the act it self is homosexual but labels shmabels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The idea of more than two genders has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

Why do you care so much anyway?

As have many other “ideas” but it doesn't make them any more valid. My using everyone was quite far reaching i admit but the point still remains.

And i don’t care as such, but its certainly worth speaking up if someone is saying things as though they are facts when they aren't.

This is a discussion board it it not?

So are you saying people are wrong about their own gender?

Well if for example said person is a biological male but says his gender is female then yes that exactly what im saying.

They can say it and believe it and thats just fine but it doesn't make it any more true

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

The idea of more than two genders has existed in many cultures for thousands of years.

Why do you care so much anyway?

As have many other “ideas” but it doesn't make them any more valid. My using everyone was quite far reaching i admit but the point still remains.

And i don’t care as such, but its certainly worth speaking up if someone is saying things as though they are facts when they aren't.

This is a discussion board it it not?

So are you saying people are wrong about their own gender?

Well if for example said person is a biological male but says his gender is female then yes that exactly what im saying.

They can say it and believe it and thats just fine but it doesn't make it any more true "

Yes it does

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds

I have no issue with gay men or women. No issue with bi men or women. I have no problem with men who define themselves as women and alter their body to accord with their mind. Equally the other way when a female alters to become male as is the mind set.

What I do have concerns about though is 'gender neutral'. This is not feasible, practical and sounds more of a 'cry for attention'. Surely (in my mind at least) it is impossible to separate yourself from one or other gender? Maybe I am simplistic or unable to compute this 'new trend' but I do find it hard to fathom.

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

I'm still to understand why it matters so much to people? I genuinely don't care what sex you are, what gender you identify as, all I care about is how you act as a person. I'll do my best to never dead name or misgender anyone, though I'm not perfect.

As far as sex goes, if I fancy you and you are up for it I'll fuck you, or vice versa, I don't care what label people want to attach to it. I just want orgasms with people I fancy and fun while doing so.

I wish people didn't care do much about other people's lives, I really do.

C, though I know K thinks similar, probably without the sarcasm and nicer while saying it.

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By *icoleAndLisaTransCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port

Anyone else sick of this angels on the head of a pin crap? Believe what you want to believe, but show a little respect for people who believe differently, and don't constantly bang on about how wrong they are. Normal followers of different religions seem to manage it, with only the nutty fundamentalists being at each other's throats. So why are we still having gender wars?

The way I see it, if a man only fancies women, he's straight. Not necessarily heterosexual if he has a penis and he fancies women with penises, but still straight if he doesn't fancy other men. But if the trans woman sees herself as a woman, and the guy sees her as a woman, too, where exactly is the gayness? But those are just my thoughts. I'm well aware that others don't agree.

Identify how the hell you like (just please be sincere.) And maybe stop treating sexuality like a straitjacket. Stop branding people 'bi' or 'gay' because they experimented, or sometimes have kinky fantasies that go outside of the parameters of their declared orientation.

Basically, just stop being arses to each other, and learn to live and let live.

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

"I'm still to understand why it matters so much to people? I genuinely don't care what sex you are, what gender you identify as, all I care about is how you act as a person. I'll do my best to never dead name or misgender anyone, though I'm not perfect.

I wish people didn't care do much about other people's lives, I really do.

C, though I know K thinks similar, probably without the sarcasm and nicer while saying it. "

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By *antrelWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham/Cardiff

"Anyone else sick of this angels on the head of a pin crap? Believe what you want to believe, but show a little respect for people who believe differently, and don't constantly bang on about how wrong they are. Normal followers of different religions seem to manage it, with only the nutty fundamentalists being at each other's throats. So why are we still having gender wars?

Basically, just stop being arses to each other, and learn to live and let live."

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds

Okay. So where do we 'draw lines'?

If I go into a Ladies changing area and claim to be Gender Neutral or non binary or something similar would that be acceptable? I would be going in as a fraud but my claims of not being able to cope or understand my gender specific has led me to consider this my chosen option.

Or do we have to classify people and give them identity cards to prove their claim?

This would surely not be acceptable...

Of course I am playimg 'devils advocate' here as I am perfectly content with my gender but could it be used to gain spurious advantage?

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"Okay. So where do we 'draw lines'?

Or do we have to classify people and give them identity cards to prove their claim?

This would surely not be acceptable...

Of course I am playimg 'devils advocate' here as I am perfectly content with my gender but could it be used to gain spurious advantage?"

Are other people not allowed to be "content with their gender" too?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Okay. So where do we 'draw lines'?

Or do we have to classify people and give them identity cards to prove their claim?

This would surely not be acceptable...

Of course I am playimg 'devils advocate' here as I am perfectly content with my gender but could it be used to gain spurious advantage?"

Generally using common sense is the better option. Sex pests will target people whatever.

If you study the outcomes from reasonable states where people initially self-identify, you will likely find that it's similar to separated gender areas in naturist facilities, ie not much, if any problem.

Gender neutral facilities also work, such as at swimming pools, I think, which potentialy could have naked people that some want to get close to.

This was thrown up as a problem by Trump, to appeal to the easily outraged who don't like others having to enjoy freedoms that they take for granted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have no issue with gay men or women. No issue with bi men or women. I have no problem with men who define themselves as women and alter their body to accord with their mind. Equally the other way when a female alters to become male as is the mind set.

Similar to you. There is the biological definition of man and woman (and intersex) and there is biological change (hormones, operations). This results in cis man and woman and trans man and woman.

Gender- is all about how you identify and this is male and female which can be different to the biology, and can be fluid such TVs.

However, if a female decides to keep her penis with no intention of changing the biology, she isn't a woman and won't ever be.

This to me, is simply about definitions. It holds no malice or intention to offend.

As for orientation, that's a matter to whom you are attracted rather than your sex or gender.

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds

"Okay. So where do we 'draw lines'?

Or do we have to classify people and give them identity cards to prove their claim?

This would surely not be acceptable...

Of course I am playimg 'devils advocate' here as I am perfectly content with my gender but could it be used to gain spurious advantage?

Are other people not allowed to be "content with their gender" too? "

If they have a specific gender then of course.

How do you be content with a gender you do not think you have?

As I say I so not understand or compute the neutrality.

I get the man to woman and woman to man but not the being of neither.

The entire substance of being human, to my understanding is relating to either male or female. Not neither.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish people didn't care do much about other people's lives, I really do.

C, though I know K thinks similar, probably without the sarcasm and nicer while saying it.

Here's my second opinion

Beautiful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Basically, just stop being arses to each other, and learn to live and let live.

This too!

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By *icoleAndLisaTransCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port

"Okay. So where do we 'draw lines'?

Or do we have to classify people and give them identity cards to prove their claim?

This would surely not be acceptable...

Of course I am playimg 'devils advocate' here as I am perfectly content with my gender but could it be used to gain spurious advantage?"

The law basically states that the moment you declare your intention to permanently live in your new gender role, society must start treating you as that gender, and you are entitled to use the gender's spaces. You don't have to obtain any supporting paperwork.

Bear in mind that it's never been against the law for a man to enter women's toilets or changing rooms. If it were, then male cleaners and plumbers wouldn't be allowed in there. Pub landlords would be barred from parts of their own buildings, even when closed. If someone's intention is clearly voyeuristic or disruptive then they may well be committing an offence.

If you flit between genders anyway, it isn't that big a deal for you to 'do bloke mode' and use men's changing when going swimming. If you're living full time as a woman, it wouldn't be appropriate for you to go into men's changing, presenting as a one.

I'll use disabled changing if it's available, but I've discreetly used women's on a couple of occasions. Nobody in there has batted an eyelid, because I've been very careful not to look at others and to hide away in a corner when changing. Drying off and putting underwear on while still in the shower cubicle seems to be an effective strategy.

There's nothing I'm particularly interested in there, anyway. If my intentions were voyeuristic, I would be in the men's.

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?"

These people have Klinefelter Syndrome and are genetically male. (Yes I did have to Google it).

But they can self identify as what ever the hell they like! It's got nothing to do with anyone else

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

These people have Klinefelter Syndrome and are genetically male. (Yes I did have to Google it).

But they can self identify as what ever the hell they like! It's got nothing to do with anyone else

I'm gonna Google it

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By *icoleAndLisaTransCouple (FF)
over a year ago

Ellesmere Port

"I wouldn't matter if it was the year 3000. People can do what they want to but at the end of the day you can't change your gender despite what you think

Can you tell me what gender someone with XXY chromosomes is?

These people have Klinefelter Syndrome and are genetically male. (Yes I did have to Google it).

But they can self identify as what ever the hell they like! It's got nothing to do with anyone else

XXY qualifies as intersex, though most people who have it will have considered themselves simply as male until diagnosed.

So, objectively, they're intersex male (presuming clearly male and clearly not female external genitalia.) But if you consider sex as a matter of identity (as most of us are tending to do with gender these days.) Then sincerely identify as you like... within reason.

This is actually where I fall off the "Identify how you like" wagon, because, as someone with a legitimate claim to intersex, it hacks me off when people who were born within the norms for male or female *choose* to identify as intersex. The WHO defines intersex as 'a congenital anomaly of the reproductive system.' So present at birth (rather than achieved through hormones or surgery) and whatever you think about gendered brains, a self-diagnosed 'female brain' doesn't count.

I have a number of medical issues arising from the condition that I was born with. As an adult, I ended up having surgery to attempt to get my bladder to start emptying properly, and while it improved the flow, a lot of damage had already been done. For someone to waltz in without any formal diagnosis of a qualifying condition and simply declare themselves to be the same as me, strikes me as massively appropriative. Maybe they should try claiming Down Syndrome and see how far they get.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

What do you think of the stick that JK Rowling is getting for her tweet about that tribunal case?

Some of the reaction seems hysterical.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

"What do you think of the stick that JK Rowling is getting for her tweet about that tribunal case?

Some of the reaction seems hysterical."

Could you elaborate?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

A woman took a think-tank to an employment tribunal after it decided not to renew her contract.

She had said something on social media re the TG debate about sex being defined at birth.

JK Rowling tweeted: ""Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who'll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill."

JK's come in for a lot of stick amid accusations of transphobia.

The militant tendency is up in arms.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

This was the case:

A woman who lost her job after saying that people cannot change their biological sex has lost an employment tribunal.

Maya Forstater, 45, did not have her contract renewed after posting a series of tweets questioning government plans to let people declare their own gender.

Ms Forstater believes trans women holding certificates that recognise their transgender identity cannot describe themselves as women.

But that view is "not worthy of respect in a democratic society", a judge said.

Gender passport rules 'unlawful', court hears

Ms Forstater, who had worked as a tax expert at the think tank Center for Global Development, was not entitled to ignore the rights of a transgender person and the "enormous pain that can be caused by misgendering", employment judge James Tayler said.

Ms Forstater was "absolutist" in her view, he concluded in a 26-page judgement.

"It is a core component of her belief that she will refer to a person by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment," he continued.

"The approach is not worthy of respect in a democratic society."

- BBC

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By *ilentnoiseMan
over a year ago

Belfast

The thing I struggle with the most about trans identities is the whole idea of fluidity that people express, e.g. I'm involved in a group and people have to say "My name is X and I'm a he / she / they". Then if someone refers to another person as "she" they get their head bitten off for "mis-gendering" someone. The next month the same person that likes to be known as "they" says that 'she' wants to be referred to as a "she" this month. But she was a "they" last month. WTF?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Surely she's in the right? Biological sex decided at birth, gender later?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"A woman took a think-tank to an employment tribunal after it decided not to renew her contract.

She had said something on social media re the TG debate about sex being defined at birth.

JK's come in for a lot of stick amid accusations of transphobia.

The militant tendency is up in arms."

I know this will enrage many of you but Rowling's comments are dismissive of trans people the way that comments about gay people used to (some still do) dismiss them.

Dress, call yourself however you please but don't expect me to accept it is the underlying tone of that tweet.

Forstater didn't have her temporary contract renewed. I am sure that her 'standing up for feminism' was part of the decision not to renew the contract (along with her behaviour in the workplace) but it is not the same, legally, to say she was dismissed.

We have been here before, in the '80s, about how we talk about gay people, their relationships and what they are allowed to do (i.e. adopt, teach, changing rooms, marry).

I have spent my life fighting for women's right and safe spaces for women but I have an absolute (deliberate use) commitment to equity. I don't stand with Maya or Rowling.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Live and let live I say..

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

https://youtu.be/dbdXsC4Pi8Y

And

https://youtu.be/URz-RYEOaig

Just a couple of examples.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Like all debates on both sides there are more extreme views. I cannot see the more militants ever finding a middle ground to agree. I hope the dust will settle on it all and everyone find peace within their hearts. But a bit like Brexit. How do you compromise on polar views? In out, in out and shake it all about..

You cannot often change extreme views but you can live with them.. sadly common sense falls out of the window and courts have to step in.. all very sad..

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I'm afraid I don't read into JK's tweet any kind of hate.

Be whoever you are, she is saying, but do not punish women who believe their sex is defined by having a vagina.

I fully support the idea, obviously, that anyone can identify as the opposite gender.

But that doesn't give anyone the right to silence other people's opinion of their history.

For decades there has been a threshold for gender re-assignment - the two-year "real-life experience".

Today's ideologues seem determined to move away from any sort of threshold. It's causing quite a backlash, as you can see.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Brexit has brought this to fore front.

Agreed.

I feel people have felt they can express their dislike for ‘foreigners’ and ‘minority’ groups more freely.

I worked with guys who have business degrees, chucking bags in Gatwick. They worked just as hard as the rest of us. Of course there was lazy ones, but the english lazy ones out numbered them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brexit has brought this to fore front.

Agreed.

I feel people have felt they can express their dislike for ‘foreigners’ and ‘minority’ groups more freely.

I worked with guys who have business degrees, chucking bags in Gatwick. They worked just as hard as the rest of us. Of course there was lazy ones, but the english lazy ones out numbered them

That's hard work I would be lazy too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

Wow, so angry. So apart from posting provocative threads on a swinging site, what else are you actually doing for the cause

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

Wow, so angry. So apart from posting provocative threads on a swinging site, what else are you actually doing for the cause

I really wasn't angry, i was probably on the loo, passing the time, along with something else. Where do you stand? Do you agree that if I self identified as female right now, then fucked a straight guy in the ass, he could carry on telling people he was 100% straight?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

Brexit has brought this to fore front.

Agreed.

I feel people have felt they can express their dislike for ‘foreigners’ and ‘minority’ groups more freely.

I worked with guys who have business degrees, chucking bags in Gatwick. They worked just as hard as the rest of us. Of course there was lazy ones, but the english lazy ones out numbered them

Exactly why i voted remain. Why should British workers do such jobs? Litter picking, public toilet cleaning etc. That's what the migrant work force is for.

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By *enniferJayXXXTV/TS
over a year ago

Stoke-On-Trent

People on fabs are like broken records. give it a rest with your black and white boring lives.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man
over a year ago

salisbury

"People on fabs are like broken records. give it a rest with your black and white boring lives. "

The forums are just a bit of fun, if you find yourself not enjoying them, then don't.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

I often stop by a hanging on my wall

It's called desiderata , it brings me some comfort how I chose to live my life X

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

"What's wrong with people? Its 2019 ffs! Why can't people understand that a self identifying trans woman fucking a man in the arse with her cock is a completely heterosexual act! (In the eyes of law)

"
so what about men being fucked in the arse by a woman with a strap on , does that mean Thier gay ?

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