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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

.. but not your average one..

I have just dropped oldest off to redo his CBT ... and being a biker myself I was moaning at him that he wont be allowed to do it as he doesnt have all the correct gear..

However as the law states you only need a helmet... thats all he requires.

I then on my way back passed guys on big powerful bikes wearing no protective gear....

Now I know its a nice spring morning... but I wish they would pass a law to make protective gear compulsory..

Worse still though is when you see the wife/g.f or token pillion wearing an ill fitting helmet ( maybe the one they use for which ever person is on the back that week.. and in a skirt and just any old jacket.

sorry just had to rant.. as someone who will only ride in full gear... it makes me cross... as if you fall off even at 30mph its going to make a mess of your skin.

And kevlar jeans are so cheap now too.

Rant over

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's "It won't happen to me" Syndrome, unfortunately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bullet proof trousers...?

Just how agressive are you towards bikers...??

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Actually although im not a biker i completely agree, where i live is a good route for them to bring there bikes through on a sunday and it always amazes me that some have these big expensive bikes and then where a pair of shorts. Although there is the majority that do wear all the proper outfits.

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Seeing people on bikes that are'nt dressed properly makes my tummy go all tingly in a bad way

All I can see is then sliding across concrete having all their skin ripped off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although you will always have the "won't happen to me" club I think part of the CBT should be a visit to the local hospital to see the result of someone not wearing full protective gear who has come off their bike and gone across the tarmac. I am sure that would encourage a lot of them to wear protective clothing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I do look at them and feel a bit ill.. just because I have come off before.. and my leathers were wrecked.. and it was only a slow speed slide... now it doesnt bare thinking about

But also I was at a bike show and they had a display and it showed the horrific slide injuries those that ride unprotected could get.

I have even given my son my old trousers but he refuses to wear them as said he only has a scooter.. I despair at times.. but I can only advise.. cant make him take my advice.

cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we are bikers and when we go out nobody gets on the back of hubby without the proper gear on. For the sake of a few pounds it could save lots of pain if they come off. its not cool its just plain daft.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree that it should be mandatory equipment on a motorcycle to wear body protection as well as helmets.

But, at the end of the day its not the bike that's the problem its the person riding it and how they disregard their safety.

Its only a small percentage but a high risk that put thenselves in danger.

The one thing that would help matters is if the companies making the safety wear could make the items more affordable.

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley

I saw a bloke a while ago on a TL1000 wearing helmet, t-shirt, shorts and trainers. OK it was his choice but gravel and tarmac hurt, a lot.

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By *elshmailMan
over a year ago

neath

totally agree with you, protective gear should be made mandatory just like a lid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree, my partner never went on his bike without wearing his leathers or kevlar kit, even when taking my daughter for a quick spin he made her wear his kevlar combats and an old leather jacket.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"totally agree with you, protective gear should be made mandatory just like a lid.

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thing is I cant get why the companies are getting behind this.. think of all the extra money lol..

Even my 11 year old has full kit.. down to boots and gloves.... The least I would go out in is my kevlar jeans, my jacket with knox protection built in.. gloves for sure.. and of course my lid..

I have never understood why its only compulsory to wear a lid

Cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And leathers are so so sexy!! never go out without full protection, although having ridden in less in my mis-spent youth (I know better now lol) I don't see the appeal, even at relatively slow speeds flies hurt and they are the least of your worries!! xx

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

If anyone is stupid enough to get onto a bike without decent protective gear then that's their own lookout and nobody else's business.

you can't legislate against stupidity, that's why we have Tories.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

i cant believe that in my younger days i used ride in Asia in tshirt shorts and flip flops. Although i always wore a helmet, much to the amazement of my Chinese friends.

It really is it wont happen to me syndrome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never go for a ride without a full kit, rode motor-cross for years and when I made the transition to road riding I updated my gear to include a full kit, don't fancy coming off my Enfield with shorts and t- shirt on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmmm life is a risk! I am amazed at the pedestrians that cross the road without full prottective gear

As for the full kevlar jeans DON'T waste your money on them, had my first spill in 20 years last summer, I am in Draggin Jeans with all the protection, J is in ordinary denims.

The expensive protection ripped apart allowing the road to remove lots of skin whilst the denims held.

If you want slide protection there is only leather!

Fortunatly neither of us was badly hurt, and managed the 2000 mile ride home afterwards, though more nights in hotels than originally planned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hmmmmm life is a risk! I am amazed at the pedestrians that cross the road without full prottective gear

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I'm glad someone else said that. As a cyclist of the non-motorised type I was feeling increddibly reckless reading this thread. Lycra isn;t known for it's protective traits but I reularly hit 40and 50 mph on descents, I could send endless you tube links of people crashing at comparable speeds, most relatively unscathed. Yet I read on here 30mph requires full on body armour!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

cyclists - not my problem if you want to risk life and limb. I wrecked my leathers at a less than 40mph crash.. the slide I took would have left me without skin on one side of my leg had I not been wearing them

You can google motorcycle injuries at low speeds.. and yes even 30mph you can lose skin..

and actually I wouldnt even ride a pushbike on the road without being covered up.. with no bare skin.

And I for one would like to see cyclists put under the same rules as motorcyclists.. ie cbt before allowed on the road.. and protective gear worn.

My son rides a pushbike, and is not allowed out without his kevlar trousers, and a light jacket but has knox body armour built in... and his cycle helmet.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hmmmmm life is a risk! I am amazed at the pedestrians that cross the road without full prottective gear

As for the full kevlar jeans DON'T waste your money on them, had my first spill in 20 years last summer, I am in Draggin Jeans with all the protection, J is in ordinary denims.

The expensive protection ripped apart allowing the road to remove lots of skin whilst the denims held.

If you want slide protection there is only leather!

Fortunatly neither of us was badly hurt, and managed the 2000 mile ride home afterwards, though more nights in hotels than originally planned."

sorry to hear that you had a bad result.. I have had a spill at 60mph in my kevlar and apart from bruising and a broken ankle I was fine.. but then I did pay £160 for them.. just felt they made the mix between everyday wear and leathers a bit better.

cali

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to work as a EMT for a local ambulance service and the amount of motorcycle accidents we attended were staggering. I would say that only about 30% of those the rider had the correct gear on,And luckily survived, the others did not.

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

I'm a ATGATT type of chap out on the road, but won't even move my bike up the drive without gloves. If you come off, you automatically put your hands out in front of you, embedded gravel in the palms of your hand and digits takes a looooong time to heal, so I'm told.

I'm often amazed in Europe when I'm sweating my tits off in riding gear, then some kids howl past me with NO protective gear on apart from a cyle helmet and they are sending texts on their mobile, all whilst weaving in and out of the traffic.

(Bought a great Buckskin and mesh affair for Continental summer riding a couple of years ago, lovely and breezy, no Betty Swollocks here )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes indeed, everyone out of the house should be wearing protective clothing.

Pedestians, soft helmets, and stab proof vests, shin guards and sturdy footwear.

Cyclist, best ban them...

So yes with on that one

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire


"

I have just dropped oldest off to redo his CBT ... "

Ahhhhh, what a great Mum you are, I wish mine would drop me off at a Domme's for some fun. Not a huge fan of CBT, although I'm being tempted to sample a friend's new set of Sounds. (I'm going to let her get some more experience with them before she puts anything down my Jap's Eye though)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Completely agree, If you fall off your bike at 30 mph unprotected for every metre you slide you lose 10mm of skin and your skin isn't 10mm thick so you can imagine the damage that will be done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Completely agree, If you fall off your bike at 30 mph unprotected for every metre you slide you lose 10mm of skin and your skin isn't 10mm thick so you can imagine the damage that will be done"

Rubbish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Completely agree, If you fall off your bike at 30 mph unprotected for every metre you slide you lose 10mm of skin and your skin isn't 10mm thick so you can imagine the damage that will be done

Rubbish. "

Why is it rubbish??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I beg to differ, im a EMT and have seen and dealt with it mate, and its not nice at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Completely agree, If you fall off your bike at 30 mph unprotected for every metre you slide you lose 10mm of skin and your skin isn't 10mm thick so you can imagine the damage that will be done

Rubbish.

Why is it rubbish??"

Because it's not true. Certainly not in the way it is implied that you would lose skin 1cm thick.

Can it happen, yes, probably and it possibly does occassionally. Will it happen (again as implied) no.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"

I have just dropped oldest off to redo his CBT ...

Ahhhhh, what a great Mum you are, I wish mine would drop me off at a Domme's for some fun. Not a huge fan of CBT, although I'm being tempted to sample a friend's new set of Sounds. (I'm going to let her get some more experience with them before she puts anything down my Jap's Eye though)"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"sorry to hear that you had a bad result.. I have had a spill at 60mph in my kevlar and apart from bruising and a broken ankle I was fine.. but then I did pay £160 for them.. just felt they made the mix between everyday wear and leathers a bit better.

cali "

I have crashed a bike at close to 200mph on a race track, after a very long slide mostly on grass I was amazed to stand up with nothing cut or broken. It comes down to luck. and not hitting anything! kevlar will take lots of abbrasion but if it catches on something will rip appart and be totally useless, also it provides no impact protection in the configuration used in motorcycle clothing.

I am glad it is not compulsory as I really don't like the nanny state approach, and some days I do ride dangerously unprotected (Italy last year was cotton shirt with sleves rolled up but still had my gloves on!) Having said that I think they should scrap the theory test and show photo's of motorcycle related injuries, and a range of clothing that may help prevent them instead. much more usefull than knowing how to adjust suspension on one particular type of bike.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

obviously I was wearing leather on the race track!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to disagree with most of you, I don't believe it should be made law to wear protective clothing.

I believe im an adult and should have the right to choose what I wear, if I want to do 70 down the M1 in shorts and flip flops its my choice not a choice for 'the people'.

As long as im not effecting or causing offence to others then its nobody's business but my own.

Taking choices from the individual in my opinion has already gone too far. Got told last week we are not allowed to wear shorts at work!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have to disagree with most of you, I don't believe it should be made law to wear protective clothing.

I believe im an adult and should have the right to choose what I wear, if I want to do 70 down the M1 in shorts and flip flops its my choice not a choice for 'the people'.

As long as im not effecting or causing offence to others then its nobody's business but my own.

Taking choices from the individual in my opinion has already gone too far. Got told last week we are not allowed to wear shorts at work!!!! I totally agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The goverment is trying to make all bikers wear,high vis and not allow them too filter anymore.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"I have to disagree with most of you, I don't believe it should be made law to wear protective clothing.

I believe im an adult and should have the right to choose what I wear, if I want to do 70 down the M1 in shorts and flip flops its my choice not a choice for 'the people'.

As long as im not effecting or causing offence to others then its nobody's business but my own.

Taking choices from the individual in my opinion has already gone too far. Got told last week we are not allowed to wear shorts at work!!!!

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i believe you should have to wear what is in your profile picture lol.

totally agree, although i generally wear my leathers, i sometimes do wear either jeans or combats, with a kevlar jacket.

have only ever once gone out with NO protection at all, and it was taking my bike to the garage, about 100 yeards away, and it was way too cold then lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we have spent a lot of money on good quality bike clothing and helmets, it's all worth it, we both ride and have our own bikes.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!


"......

Taking choices from the individual in my opinion has already gone too far. Got told last week we are not allowed to wear shorts at work!!!!

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Your firm is waaaaaaay behind the times. I`m a tractor driver for the Local Authority and we`ve been banned for wearing shorts on H&S grounds for the past ten years or more

As for not wearing proper kit on your bike, then I hope you consider the cost to the NHS each injured biker causes when they`re badly injured through not wearing proper kit. For every biker who manages to fall and gracefully slide down the grass verge with little or no injuries, there must be one who slides along the tarmac with their bike on top, pressing them into the tarmac.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have considered the cost to the NHS and compared to the football injury's sustained in amateur football it's miniscule so maybe we should make them all play fifa instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day."

What about cars? And trucks? They kill too - see the problem?

I don't mean to make light of your post, but your logic is based on nothing more than "I don't agree with it therefore lets ban it" which is a ridiculous motive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plus, whats the point in paying for the NHS and not using it?

i pay for it so they can make ME better, not every dimitri, sinbad and mr ngongo that turns up at the border."

Charming!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ban cars as well and buses lets all get a horse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day.

What about cars? And trucks? They kill too - see the problem?

I don't mean to make light of your post, but your logic is based on nothing more than "I don't agree with it therefore lets ban it" which is a ridiculous motive."

I didn't say logic came into it. Its an emotional opinion and just how I feel. Emotions are not logical. Doesn't mean I am not entitled to that opinion.

I am sure many others have formed opinions on various subjects due to emotional reasons which others may seem as equally ridiculous.

I am human and therefore fallable. And while my head will see the logic of others arguments my heart does not allow me to change that opinion.

I would never call anyone's opinion or motives ridiculous though.

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire


" They are the most god awful mode of transport."

No, if EVERY car driver had to ride a bike for 2 years before getting into a cage, they'd pay a lot more attention to bikes on the road.

Would the dickhead who killed your Grandad be better off in a car? He might be able to get a couple of other people when he hits someone next time too. An irresponsible road user is the same whether he's on a horse or driving a lorry.

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By *atureFem4FunWoman
over a year ago

Petts Wood


"plus, whats the point in paying for the NHS and not using it?

i pay for it so they can make ME better, not every dimitri, sinbad and mr ngongo that turns up at the border."

Lets not forget all the Murphy's, McGinty's and O'Connors who preceded them....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just been having this arguement on FB bikers... people are so fecking stupid... no need or reason not to protect yourself.. too hot.. wear kevlar jeans.. don't want to wear them don't go on the bike... not hard.. just remember its not you who has to pick your ass up from the 300 yards of road you skidded down when you come off.. its a police officer or a paramedic or worst case its a private ambulance...

i keep getting told its personal choice but i think its just idiocy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day."
Wow perhaps your family ought to learn the green cross code and look both wats (and listen) before they cross? Roads are for vehicles, pavements are for people. When you step into the road you have to take responsibility for yourself, irrespective of what the law says. You are stepping into thd vehicle's territory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day.Wow perhaps your family ought to learn the green cross code and look both wats (and listen) before they cross? Roads are for vehicles, pavements are for people. When you step into the road you have to take responsibility for yourself, irrespective of what the law says. You are stepping into thd vehicle's territory. "

Now normally I would agree with you especially regarding the idiots who do not use pedestrian crossings or dont wait for cars to stop safely before crossing.

As for taking responsibility both my mother and grandad were doing the responsible thing and crossing at a designated crossing area! I shall explain.

On the first occasion my mother was hit she was STILL standing on the pavement waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing. The motorcyle tried to pass a stationary car between the pavement and the car and misjudged and mounted the pavement. There were plenty of witnesses. The second time she was halfway across a traffic light controlled crossing walking on the green man when a motorcycle went past a stationary car this time on the drivers side and hit her. My Grandfather was over half way across a zebra crossing when he got hit. Walking very slowly considering he use a wheeled walker when a motor cycle yet again passed stationary cars. My grandfather was not the only person hit!

All three accidents had witnesses as there were others crossing at the same time. Now tell me who is responsible for those accicents.

I said I don't like motorcycles and I am allowed that opinion. I know it is an emotional opinion. I know there are people who will give logical arguments against this opinion and that is a good thing. And while intellectually I may agree with them. Emotionally I can't.

I would never insult someones family because I don't agree with them though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a biker myself who experienced an accident last year, my protective gear saved my life...it should be law!

A little like horse riding, where its not even compulsary to wear a helmet, why...because the queen doesn't when she rides!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My partner was out on his motorbike when killed by two tourists in a car. The crash investigation team said no speed was involved and my partners bike was on his own side of the road.

I don't ask that bikes or cars be banned from the roads, unfortunate accidents happen, we should just try to be more aware and tolerant of other road users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not a biker and know nothing about the different makes of protective clothing or the cost, but I certainly agree that it should be made compulsory.

There used to be an annual gathering of motorbike enthusiasts a few miles from my home. A night to show off and talk bikes etc. There was a long road where races would take place. Girlfriends would be riding topless behind their guys etc. It finished after a fatality one evening.

But I also understand the 'it won't happen to me' syndrome and a lot of us are like that at times. I remember being 18 and riding around Ibiza on a scooter wearing only a bikini. I thought getting a great tan whilst driving along was brilliant, I was lucky that my skin remained on my body to get that tan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My leather trousers saved my thigh from being pierced by the handlebar end when i impacted with a turning car, thinner material would of been useless!!

Quite often i glance riders with nearly all the correct kit apart from Gloves, dont understand that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

purplejin Sorry for your grandparents bad luck, to find 3 morons on motorcycles is probably more than enough for your response.

You can't make motorcycle clothing compulsory as what is safe does depend on circumstances and situation leather works in some cases Kevlar in others neither work in all. Best you can do is advertise the alternatives including skinless ex bikini and flip flop riders and hope to educate the sensible whilst allowing those that desire it, to join the Darwin awards.

As previously mentioned cycle riders take much greater risks with far less protection and nobody cares it's all about the numbers and the publicity....

Biggest at risk group of death through head injuries is still pedestrians! at around treble the number on motorcycles cars and horses combined! if you want to make new safety laws then perhaps helmets for pedestrians is the way forward....

Leave the motorcycle law as it is, but teach the benefits of safe riding and clothing.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"......

Taking choices from the individual in my opinion has already gone too far. Got told last week we are not allowed to wear shorts at work!!!!

Your firm is waaaaaaay behind the times. I`m a tractor driver for the Local Authority and we`ve been banned for wearing shorts on H&S grounds for the past ten years or more

As for not wearing proper kit on your bike, then I hope you consider the cost to the NHS each injured biker causes when they`re badly injured through not wearing proper kit. For every biker who manages to fall and gracefully slide down the grass verge with little or no injuries, there must be one who slides along the tarmac with their bike on top, pressing them into the tarmac."

What are the health and safety risks of wearing shorts while driving a tractor?

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day.Wow perhaps your family ought to learn the green cross code and look both wats (and listen) before they cross? Roads are for vehicles, pavements are for people. When you step into the road you have to take responsibility for yourself, irrespective of what the law says. You are stepping into thd vehicle's territory.

Now normally I would agree with you especially regarding the idiots who do not use pedestrian crossings or dont wait for cars to stop safely before crossing.

As for taking responsibility both my mother and grandad were doing the responsible thing and crossing at a designated crossing area! I shall explain.

On the first occasion my mother was hit she was STILL standing on the pavement waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing. The motorcyle tried to pass a stationary car between the pavement and the car and misjudged and mounted the pavement. There were plenty of witnesses. The second time she was halfway across a traffic light controlled crossing walking on the green man when a motorcycle went past a stationary car this time on the drivers side and hit her. My Grandfather was over half way across a zebra crossing when he got hit. Walking very slowly considering he use a wheeled walker when a motor cycle yet again passed stationary cars. My grandfather was not the only person hit!

All three accidents had witnesses as there were others crossing at the same time. Now tell me who is responsible for those accicents.

I said I don't like motorcycles and I am allowed that opinion. I know it is an emotional opinion. I know there are people who will give logical arguments against this opinion and that is a good thing. And while intellectually I may agree with them. Emotionally I can't.

I would never insult someones family because I don't agree with them though.

"

Congratulations on the best piece of shroud waving I've seen on the web in quite a while.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but that entitlement extends to my saying it's bollocks.

Punishing all of an identifiable group (those who wish to ride motorbikes) because of the mistakes / choices of some of them is no different, ethically to deciding to ban all swinging because soem swingers get or transmit STIs...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I too am a biker,for many years and had a few skids,and proper cloathing is important,it gives me the horrors when i now see as sumer aprotches guys and girls zooming aroung whith bare legs and arms one girl just this morning and i asume boyfriend ,she had a mini which left fk all to the imagination ,very nice if you were not mounting a huge bike as a pillion ,if they come off she will be scarred for life,, if that is her boyfriend and he has any thought for her ,tell her to get dressed,even a good pair of denims (not idial)would be better than her bare legs and backside

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an exbiker, (due to a VERY serious accident), I tend to agree with you on one level but must state that the gov already tells us what to do TOO much! Personal safety is and should remain a PERSONAL choice!

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over a year ago

I've been a paramedic for nearly 20 years and I've picked up many pieces of motorcyclists in that time (degloving is quite a sight!). It never ceases to amaze me that bikers will compete with 2 tonne plus vehicles, protected only by animal skins and a plastic hat. I wouldn't ban them, or force them to wear protective clothing, however. I believe it's eveyone's freedom of choice to be stupid.

In my profession, we call bikers "mobile organ donors". Bikers are top of the list of organ donors through fatal accidents in the UK, and many people wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for them. So, bikers - please continue to ride your bikes, and when you have a fatal accident can you try to land on your back because I know someone desparately in need of a new liver.

Thanks, in anticipation.

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over a year ago

Forgot to add - bikers, please make sure you sign and carry your donor card on you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day.Wow perhaps your family ought to learn the green cross code and look both wats (and listen) before they cross? Roads are for vehicles, pavements are for people. When you step into the road you have to take responsibility for yourself, irrespective of what the law says. You are stepping into thd vehicle's territory.

Now normally I would agree with you especially regarding the idiots who do not use pedestrian crossings or dont wait for cars to stop safely before crossing.

As for taking responsibility both my mother and grandad were doing the responsible thing and crossing at a designated crossing area! I shall explain.

On the first occasion my mother was hit she was STILL standing on the pavement waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing. The motorcyle tried to pass a stationary car between the pavement and the car and misjudged and mounted the pavement. There were plenty of witnesses. The second time she was halfway across a traffic light controlled crossing walking on the green man when a motorcycle went past a stationary car this time on the drivers side and hit her. My Grandfather was over half way across a zebra crossing when he got hit. Walking very slowly considering he use a wheeled walker when a motor cycle yet again passed stationary cars. My grandfather was not the only person hit!

All three accidents had witnesses as there were others crossing at the same time. Now tell me who is responsible for those accicents.

I said I don't like motorcycles and I am allowed that opinion. I know it is an emotional opinion. I know there are people who will give logical arguments against this opinion and that is a good thing. And while intellectually I may agree with them. Emotionally I can't.

I would never insult someones family because I don't agree with them though.

Congratulations on the best piece of shroud waving I've seen on the web in quite a while.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but that entitlement extends to my saying it's bollocks.

Punishing all of an identifiable group (those who wish to ride motorbikes) because of the mistakes / choices of some of them is no different, ethically to deciding to ban all swinging because soem swingers get or transmit STIs..."

I was in no way shroud waving as you put it. I was giving my reasons for the way I feel the way I do. I did not ask anyone to agree with me nor do I expect them to. It's a shame you used a veiled insult to try and put your point across.

Your opinion of mine being total bollocks is what healthy and uninsulting debate is what life is all about. And I no way negate that opinion.

We form our opinions on the information we have and our life experiences. Those were mine.

Not once did I in this subject did I make any reference to punishing all motorcyle riders or that I disliked all riders. Only that I hate motorcycles as a way of transport.

I also cant stand baked beans don't like rodents with long tails but love hamsters. I prefer my tea with out milk or sugar and enjoy singing even though I am tuneless.

Those are also some of my opinions and feelings. Irrelevant to some but not to me. Like I said debate is healthy. Insults are pointless again just my opinion yours may differ.

Now it is a nice sunny morning and I am off out to enjoy the sunshine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have to disagree with most of you, I don't believe it should be made law to wear protective clothing.

I believe im an adult and should have the right to choose what I wear, if I want to do 70 down the M1 in shorts and flip flops its my choice not a choice for 'the people'.

As long as im not effecting or causing offence to others then its nobody's business but my own.

Taking choices from the individual in my opinion has already gone too far. Got told last week we are not allowed to wear shorts at work!!!!

"

Absolutely agree!

Although, judging by your bike we're opposite sides of the biking coin, I and many others think there are already too many totalitarian enactments as it is.

How many people on this thread smoke, drink, do drugs or unprotected sex?

But they'll all say they're harming no one but themselves and that its a free country.

Well the same goes for bikers, if we come off its only ourselves or the consenting adult pillion that gets injured.......so butt out.

What about potholers, mountain climbers, fell walkers, etc, when anything goes wrong for them other people have to risk life and limb to rescue them.

I'm a custom bike rider and, touch wood, have never had an accident, probably due to the way I ride.

When I've spent an age and every available spare penny building a bike the last thing I want to do is throw it down the road.

Yes I wear an open face helmet I bought for £1.50 at a charity shop 30 years ago, a leather cut off - previously wore a denim one - fingerless gloves and eye protection.

I once asked a M.A.G rep about these riders who dress like Power Rangers and he replied " You dress to ride and they dress to come off and the way they ride its highly likely that they will".

You seldom, if ever see a custom bike or cruiser lying in the road next to an ambulance and most of the people I've known that got killed or injured have worn all the gear.

When you buy your £1000 worth of protective gear try getting the manufacturer to give you a guarentee that it'll save your life......no chance.

The onus should be placed more on car drivers, I wonder how many car drivers involved in bike/car R.T.A's also have a bike license, not many I bet. R

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day.Wow perhaps your family ought to learn the green cross code and look both wats (and listen) before they cross? Roads are for vehicles, pavements are for people. When you step into the road you have to take responsibility for yourself, irrespective of what the law says. You are stepping into thd vehicle's territory.

Now normally I would agree with you especially regarding the idiots who do not use pedestrian crossings or dont wait for cars to stop safely before crossing.

As for taking responsibility both my mother and grandad were doing the responsible thing and crossing at a designated crossing area! I shall explain.

On the first occasion my mother was hit she was STILL standing on the pavement waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing. The motorcyle tried to pass a stationary car between the pavement and the car and misjudged and mounted the pavement. There were plenty of witnesses. The second time she was halfway across a traffic light controlled crossing walking on the green man when a motorcycle went past a stationary car this time on the drivers side and hit her. My Grandfather was over half way across a zebra crossing when he got hit. Walking very slowly considering he use a wheeled walker when a motor cycle yet again passed stationary cars. My grandfather was not the only person hit!

All three accidents had witnesses as there were others crossing at the same time. Now tell me who is responsible for those accicents.

I said I don't like motorcycles and I am allowed that opinion. I know it is an emotional opinion. I know there are people who will give logical arguments against this opinion and that is a good thing. And while intellectually I may agree with them. Emotionally I can't.

I would never insult someones family because I don't agree with them though.

Congratulations on the best piece of shroud waving I've seen on the web in quite a while.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but that entitlement extends to my saying it's bollocks.

Punishing all of an identifiable group (those who wish to ride motorbikes) because of the mistakes / choices of some of them is no different, ethically to deciding to ban all swinging because soem swingers get or transmit STIs...

I was in no way shroud waving as you put it. I was giving my reasons for the way I feel the way I do. I did not ask anyone to agree with me nor do I expect them to. It's a shame you used a veiled insult to try and put your point across.

Your opinion of mine being total bollocks is what healthy and uninsulting debate is what life is all about. And I no way negate that opinion.

We form our opinions on the information we have and our life experiences. Those were mine.

Not once did I in this subject did I make any reference to punishing all motorcyle riders or that I disliked all riders. Only that I hate motorcycles as a way of transport.

I also cant stand baked beans don't like rodents with long tails but love hamsters. I prefer my tea with out milk or sugar and enjoy singing even though I am tuneless.

Those are also some of my opinions and feelings. Irrelevant to some but not to me. Like I said debate is healthy. Insults are pointless again just my opinion yours may differ.

Now it is a nice sunny morning and I am off out to enjoy the sunshine.

"

Aplogies for the rolling eyes I pressed the wrong button was supposed to be happy faces at the thought of enjoying the sunshine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been a paramedic for nearly 20 years and I've picked up many pieces of motorcyclists in that time (degloving is quite a sight!). It never ceases to amaze me that bikers will compete with 2 tonne plus vehicles, protected only by animal skins and a plastic hat. I wouldn't ban them, or force them to wear protective clothing, however. I believe it's eveyone's freedom of choice to be stupid.

In my profession, we call bikers "mobile organ donors". Bikers are top of the list of organ donors through fatal accidents in the UK, and many people wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for them. So, bikers - please continue to ride your bikes, and when you have a fatal accident can you try to land on your back because I know someone desparately in need of a new liver.

Thanks, in anticipation. "

Well I always believe sarcasm says more about the writer than the object they are trying to ridicule so you have just made yourself look a bit of a t**t. But I defend your right completely to be as good a t**t as you can be.

OK to the Thread...

I have been a biker all my life, starting when I was 16. Apart from a very embarrassing fall in a car park at 1MPH having forgotten to remove the disc lock .....D'UH! I have only had the one accident. Blind Peugeot driver crossing the dual carriageway at Duxford me doing 80ish (and I await the brickbats ..) laid the bike down to avoid the side of the car. Slid, bounced and tumbled a very long way colliding with the car's back wheel as I made my very ungainly way past! Was wearing biker jeans and a full leather jacket, Arai and full gloves. End result me in Addenbrookes for many weeks, skin grafts, 120 stitches, operations and now have the scars 10 years later to remind me. Oh and a right hand that can't do much.

WHich tale I tell to highlight a couple of points: Firstly while motorcyclists are INVOLVED in far too many accidents / crashes it is a statistical fact they only CAUSE a minority of them.

I now only ever ride in full leathers and proper kevlar gloves and always advise the scooterist 16 year olds to think what it would feel like jamming their hand onto a spinning grinding wheel ...

And I have always carried my Donor Card. Although while I did arrest in the road thankfully the medics waited before removing my bits ...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I think fate is telling me to learn to ride a bike. I had a dream last night that I bought one and have seen loads out today!!!

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over a year ago


"As an exbiker, (due to a VERY serious accident), I tend to agree with you on one level but must state that the gov already tells us what to do TOO much! Personal safety is and should remain a PERSONAL choice!"

look at how many peoples lives have been changed by the PUT kids in child seats and seat belt laws.. I see it as no different..

cali

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By *andKCouple
over a year ago

Norfolk

just got our pushbikes out and pumped the tyres up, now where did we put our helmets?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Forgot to add - bikers, please make sure you sign and carry your donor card on you."
i do agree with carying donor cards ,however please read my comments above ,i condone peepe without the proper protetive gear ,silly little and grown up boys and girls going around almost starkers on which potentaly are killing machines.But i must point out as a partner of a A.E nurse a lot lot of acadents are caused by car drivers not paying attention,most born again bikers like me and others in a certian age group are more than clued up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

while motorcyclists are INVOLVED in far too many accidents / crashes it is a statistical fact they only CAUSE a minority of them."

Only accident my partner had was the fatal one when the CAR hit HIM.

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By *waymanMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day.Wow perhaps your family ought to learn the green cross code and look both wats (and listen) before they cross? Roads are for vehicles, pavements are for people. When you step into the road you have to take responsibility for yourself, irrespective of what the law says. You are stepping into thd vehicle's territory.

Now normally I would agree with you especially regarding the idiots who do not use pedestrian crossings or dont wait for cars to stop safely before crossing.

As for taking responsibility both my mother and grandad were doing the responsible thing and crossing at a designated crossing area! I shall explain.

On the first occasion my mother was hit she was STILL standing on the pavement waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing. The motorcyle tried to pass a stationary car between the pavement and the car and misjudged and mounted the pavement. There were plenty of witnesses. The second time she was halfway across a traffic light controlled crossing walking on the green man when a motorcycle went past a stationary car this time on the drivers side and hit her. My Grandfather was over half way across a zebra crossing when he got hit. Walking very slowly considering he use a wheeled walker when a motor cycle yet again passed stationary cars. My grandfather was not the only person hit!

All three accidents had witnesses as there were others crossing at the same time. Now tell me who is responsible for those accicents.

I said I don't like motorcycles and I am allowed that opinion. I know it is an emotional opinion. I know there are people who will give logical arguments against this opinion and that is a good thing. And while intellectually I may agree with them. Emotionally I can't.

I would never insult someones family because I don't agree with them though.

Congratulations on the best piece of shroud waving I've seen on the web in quite a while.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but that entitlement extends to my saying it's bollocks.

Punishing all of an identifiable group (those who wish to ride motorbikes) because of the mistakes / choices of some of them is no different, ethically to deciding to ban all swinging because soem swingers get or transmit STIs...

I was in no way shroud waving as you put it. I was giving my reasons for the way I feel the way I do. I did not ask anyone to agree with me nor do I expect them to. It's a shame you used a veiled insult to try and put your point across.

Your opinion of mine being total bollocks is what healthy and uninsulting debate is what life is all about. And I no way negate that opinion.

We form our opinions on the information we have and our life experiences. Those were mine.

Not once did I in this subject did I make any reference to punishing all motorcyle riders or that I disliked all riders. Only that I hate motorcycles as a way of transport.

I also cant stand baked beans don't like rodents with long tails but love hamsters. I prefer my tea with out milk or sugar and enjoy singing even though I am tuneless.

Those are also some of my opinions and feelings. Irrelevant to some but not to me. Like I said debate is healthy. Insults are pointless again just my opinion yours may differ.

Now it is a nice sunny morning and I am off out to enjoy the sunshine.

"

Describing your argument from personal experience as shroud waving is not a veiled insult; it's just how it is.

You said "So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing."

That's punishing all those who would wish to be motorcyclists, because of your experiences of some individual motorcyclists. I hope you enjoyed your walk - at least it will have got you off your high horse...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been a paramedic for nearly 20 years and I've picked up many pieces of motorcyclists in that time (degloving is quite a sight!). It never ceases to amaze me that bikers will compete with 2 tonne plus vehicles, protected only by animal skins and a plastic hat. I wouldn't ban them, or force them to wear protective clothing, however. I believe it's eveyone's freedom of choice to be stupid.

In my profession, we call bikers "mobile organ donors". Bikers are top of the list of organ donors through fatal accidents in the UK, and many people wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for them. So, bikers - please continue to ride your bikes, and when you have a fatal accident can you try to land on your back because I know someone desparately in need of a new liver.

Thanks, in anticipation. "

Insensitive to say the least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been a paramedic for nearly 20 years and I've picked up many pieces of motorcyclists in that time (degloving is quite a sight!). It never ceases to amaze me that bikers will compete with 2 tonne plus vehicles, protected only by animal skins and a plastic hat. I wouldn't ban them, or force them to wear protective clothing, however. I believe it's eveyone's freedom of choice to be stupid.

In my profession, we call bikers "mobile organ donors". Bikers are top of the list of organ donors through fatal accidents in the UK, and many people wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for them. So, bikers - please continue to ride your bikes, and when you have a fatal accident can you try to land on your back because I know someone desparately in need of a new liver.

Thanks, in anticipation.

Insensitive to say the least. "

but true...i signed my donor card when i got my provisional knowing if i had an accident i'd be more likely to die.. but saying that i also wear protective gear because i want to minimise my risk... same reason we use condoms when having sex with others..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It shouldn't be peoples choice to wear protective gear, let's take seatbelts for example if you get in and drive a car and don't put your belt on and crash and go through the windscreen who are you hurting? Just yourself yet seatbelts are law, I agree the govtment and nanny state do have too many laws but surely anything that saves peoples lives and limbs is a good thing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been a paramedic for nearly 20 years and I've picked up many pieces of motorcyclists in that time (degloving is quite a sight!). It never ceases to amaze me that bikers will compete with 2 tonne plus vehicles, protected only by animal skins and a plastic hat. I wouldn't ban them, or force them to wear protective clothing, however. I believe it's eveyone's freedom of choice to be stupid.

In my profession, we call bikers "mobile organ donors". Bikers are top of the list of organ donors through fatal accidents in the UK, and many people wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for them. So, bikers - please continue to ride your bikes, and when you have a fatal accident can you try to land on your back because I know someone desparately in need of a new liver.

Thanks, in anticipation.

Insensitive to say the least.

but true...i signed my donor card when i got my provisional knowing if i had an accident i'd be more likely to die.. but saying that i also wear protective gear because i want to minimise my risk... same reason we use condoms when having sex with others.. "

I've been on the donor register since I was 18 or thereabouts. I don't have a problem with that plea. Just the way the way the portable donors were asked to land on their back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day.Wow perhaps your family ought to learn the green cross code and look both wats (and listen) before they cross? Roads are for vehicles, pavements are for people. When you step into the road you have to take responsibility for yourself, irrespective of what the law says. You are stepping into thd vehicle's territory.

Now normally I would agree with you especially regarding the idiots who do not use pedestrian crossings or dont wait for cars to stop safely before crossing.

As for taking responsibility both my mother and grandad were doing the responsible thing and crossing at a designated crossing area! I shall explain.

On the first occasion my mother was hit she was STILL standing on the pavement waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing. The motorcyle tried to pass a stationary car between the pavement and the car and misjudged and mounted the pavement. There were plenty of witnesses. The second time she was halfway across a traffic light controlled crossing walking on the green man when a motorcycle went past a stationary car this time on the drivers side and hit her. My Grandfather was over half way across a zebra crossing when he got hit. Walking very slowly considering he use a wheeled walker when a motor cycle yet again passed stationary cars. My grandfather was not the only person hit!

All three accidents had witnesses as there were others crossing at the same time. Now tell me who is responsible for those accicents.

I said I don't like motorcycles and I am allowed that opinion. I know it is an emotional opinion. I know there are people who will give logical arguments against this opinion and that is a good thing. And while intellectually I may agree with them. Emotionally I can't.

I would never insult someones family because I don't agree with them though.

Congratulations on the best piece of shroud waving I've seen on the web in quite a while.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but that entitlement extends to my saying it's bollocks.

Punishing all of an identifiable group (those who wish to ride motorbikes) because of the mistakes / choices of some of them is no different, ethically to deciding to ban all swinging because soem swingers get or transmit STIs...

I was in no way shroud waving as you put it. I was giving my reasons for the way I feel the way I do. I did not ask anyone to agree with me nor do I expect them to. It's a shame you used a veiled insult to try and put your point across.

Your opinion of mine being total bollocks is what healthy and uninsulting debate is what life is all about. And I no way negate that opinion.

We form our opinions on the information we have and our life experiences. Those were mine.

Not once did I in this subject did I make any reference to punishing all motorcyle riders or that I disliked all riders. Only that I hate motorcycles as a way of transport.

I also cant stand baked beans don't like rodents with long tails but love hamsters. I prefer my tea with out milk or sugar and enjoy singing even though I am tuneless.

Those are also some of my opinions and feelings. Irrelevant to some but not to me. Like I said debate is healthy. Insults are pointless again just my opinion yours may differ.

Now it is a nice sunny morning and I am off out to enjoy the sunshine.

Describing your argument from personal experience as shroud waving is not a veiled insult; it's just how it is.

You said "So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing."

That's punishing all those who would wish to be motorcyclists, because of your experiences of some individual motorcyclists. I hope you enjoyed your walk - at least it will have got you off your high horse..."

Thank you I did enjoy my walk out. It was very pleasant and the was a nice breeze. The spring flowers looked very pretty.

I am quite happy with my position on the high horse you say I am sitting on in regard the this topic.

Reading all the other peoples comments regarding safety and road users has been interesting. It is something to think about.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

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over a year ago


"because I know someone desparately in need of a new liver.

Thanks, in anticipation.

"

I can see the humour in the comment even if others can't (but I have a sick sense of humour!) but for most of the bikers I know, the liver is the one organ I wouldn't want in a transplant! is there a dangerous sport with quick pickup we can come up with for tea - totalers?

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire


"

And I have always carried my Donor Card. Although while I did arrest in the road thankfully the medics waited before removing my bits ..."

Which is exactly why I DON'T have a donor card - they can keep working on me till they, rather than me, are blue in the face.

It's my belief that a man like me, no kids, no partner, pretty insignificant and invisible might be seen to be worth more as so many donated organs rather than as the complete sad bastard I am, and maybe they wouldn't work so hard on me as they would on someone with weeping wife and kids out in the corridor...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

And I have always carried my Donor Card. Although while I did arrest in the road thankfully the medics waited before removing my bits ...

Which is exactly why I DON'T have a donor card - they can keep working on me till they, rather than me, are blue in the face.

It's my belief that a man like me, no kids, no partner, pretty insignificant and invisible might be seen to be worth more as so many donated organs rather than as the complete sad bastard I am, and maybe they wouldn't work so hard on me as they would on someone with weeping wife and kids out in the corridor...

"

Its funny you should say that as a fair proportion of the motorcycle club I used to ride with had the same opinion, in as much as "Well that's one less of them buggers", so they would rather strip us down for spares. R

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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And I have always carried my Donor Card. Although while I did arrest in the road thankfully the medics waited before removing my bits ...

Which is exactly why I DON'T have a donor card - they can keep working on me till they, rather than me, are blue in the face.

It's my belief that a man like me, no kids, no partner, pretty insignificant and invisible might be seen to be worth more as so many donated organs rather than as the complete sad bastard I am, and maybe they wouldn't work so hard on me as they would on someone with weeping wife and kids out in the corridor...

"

I can tell you for a fact that knowing the steps that they would have to go through, there is no chance of that happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

And I have always carried my Donor Card. Although while I did arrest in the road thankfully the medics waited before removing my bits ...

Which is exactly why I DON'T have a donor card - they can keep working on me till they, rather than me, are blue in the face.

It's my belief that a man like me, no kids, no partner, pretty insignificant and invisible might be seen to be worth more as so many donated organs rather than as the complete sad bastard I am, and maybe they wouldn't work so hard on me as they would on someone with weeping wife and kids out in the corridor...

I can tell you for a fact that knowing the steps that they would have to go through, there is no chance of that happening. "

No paramedic, EMT or any other ambulance worker would give anything less than 100% of their skills and training in RTA, or any other life-threatening situations. Some of us have a twisted sense of graveyard humour, but that doesn't stop us from doing the job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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And I have always carried my Donor Card. Although while I did arrest in the road thankfully the medics waited before removing my bits ...

Which is exactly why I DON'T have a donor card - they can keep working on me till they, rather than me, are blue in the face.

It's my belief that a man like me, no kids, no partner, pretty insignificant and invisible might be seen to be worth more as so many donated organs rather than as the complete sad bastard I am, and maybe they wouldn't work so hard on me as they would on someone with weeping wife and kids out in the corridor...

I can tell you for a fact that knowing the steps that they would have to go through, there is no chance of that happening.

No paramedic, EMT or any other ambulance worker would give anything less than 100% of their skills and training in RTA, or any other life-threatening situations. Some of us have a twisted sense of graveyard humour, but that doesn't stop us from doing the job."

That's ignoring the fact you would know nothing of the person's circumstances. And in order to facilitate the conspiracy theory, it would have to be you, A&E staff, surgeons, pathologists and the coroner in on it...

Anyone who works around death has to use gallows humour as a coping method. It's natural and I suspect those that criticise it would never be able to see the crap that you deal with on a daily basis.

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"plus, whats the point in paying for the NHS and not using it?

i pay for it so they can make ME better, not every dimitri, sinbad and mr ngongo that turns up at the border.

Lets not forget all the Murphy's, McGinty's and O'Connors who preceded them...."

missus is irish, im english. lol

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire


"I'm going to upset all the bikers now and state that I think Motorcycles should be banned completely.

My mother has been hit by motor cycles twice while crossing at pedestrian crossings and my grandfather was killed by an irresponsible motorcyclist while he was in the middle of zebra crossing on his 80th birthday. They are the most god awful mode of transport.

So ban the bikes and that solves the problem of needing laws for protective clothing.

Thats my rant for the day.Wow perhaps your family ought to learn the green cross code and look both wats (and listen) before they cross? Roads are for vehicles, pavements are for people. When you step into the road you have to take responsibility for yourself, irrespective of what the law says. You are stepping into thd vehicle's territory.

Now normally I would agree with you especially regarding the idiots who do not use pedestrian crossings or dont wait for cars to stop safely before crossing.

As for taking responsibility both my mother and grandad were doing the responsible thing and crossing at a designated crossing area! I shall explain.

On the first occasion my mother was hit she was STILL standing on the pavement waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing. The motorcyle tried to pass a stationary car between the pavement and the car and misjudged and mounted the pavement. There were plenty of witnesses. The second time she was halfway across a traffic light controlled crossing walking on the green man when a motorcycle went past a stationary car this time on the drivers side and hit her. My Grandfather was over half way across a zebra crossing when he got hit. Walking very slowly considering he use a wheeled walker when a motor cycle yet again passed stationary cars. My grandfather was not the only person hit!

All three accidents had witnesses as there were others crossing at the same time. Now tell me who is responsible for those accicents.

I said I don't like motorcycles and I am allowed that opinion. I know it is an emotional opinion. I know there are people who will give logical arguments against this opinion and that is a good thing. And while intellectually I may agree with them. Emotionally I can't.

I would never insult someones family because I don't agree with them though.

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its not the motorcycle you dont like, its the moron on the back of it!

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures


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its not the motorcycle you dont like, its the moron on the back of it!"

Quite! - the amount of times I hear "bikes are unsafe because ......." and someone recounts a story like the previous poster.

They fail to realise that the bike hadn't done anything wrong - it was the squishy organic thing controlling the bike that had made the mistake

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