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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure..." When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad. | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad. " Ha ha. I got sent to bed during my 8th birthday party | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure..." That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad. " Haha ![]() | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad. Ha ha. I got sent to bed during my 8th birthday party " I think that might be worse. I hope everyone else enjoyed your party. ![]() | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? " , She was 17 Mickey, but in some states in America, the legal age is 18 , so depends on where the dirty deed ocurred, if indeed it did? ![]() | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad. " That’s not true. Mine did it all the time but that was because she was d*unk or stoned. | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad. That’s not true. Mine did it all the time but that was because she was d*unk or stoned. " Oh dear... ![]() | |||
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"Why do we even have royalty still they're useless" That's a whole new thread ![]() | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... When your Mum cancels your birthday party you know you've been bad. Ha ha. I got sent to bed during my 8th birthday party I think that might be worse. I hope everyone else enjoyed your party. ![]() They did lol. I can't imagine what I'd done but it must have been bad because my mum wouldn't do that unless I had ![]() | |||
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"Who knows....." Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing ![]() | |||
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"Who knows..... Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing ![]() Who knows means everything, because only two ppl know..... ![]() | |||
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"Who knows..... Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing ![]() ![]() What do you think try? | |||
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"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment. Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency." , I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad. | |||
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"Who knows..... Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing ![]() ![]() I don't think. If I don't know then I don't know my lovely, gossip is dangerous innit.... ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Who knows..... Well that's why this is a talking point who knows means nothing ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() No idea I don't indulge. | |||
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"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment. Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency., I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad." You doubt it based on what? You seem worryingly reluctant to take the accusations levelled at face value and I'm wondering why, frankly. I'm certainly not saying he is guilty and nor do I think he ought be judged in the court of public opinion but if he has nothing to hide why is he not going straight to the USA to face questioning? | |||
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"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment. Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency., I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad." Only he knows the truth. No point in assuming anything. | |||
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"I am confused tho ? Not defending his association ! But has he actually brought ken any laws ?" If he has had sex with a girl of 17 in America, in a state where the legal age is 18, then yes he has. | |||
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"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment. Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency., I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad. You doubt it based on what? You seem worryingly reluctant to take the accusations levelled at face value and I'm wondering why, frankly. I'm certainly not saying he is guilty and nor do I think he ought be judged in the court of public opinion but if he has nothing to hide why is he not going straight to the USA to face questioning?" I've seen nothing thus far to suggest he is guilty of paedophilia, where have you seen that? | |||
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"He's accused of having had sex with a 17-year-old in London ![]() And... | |||
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"I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it?" Finally someone in my wavelength ![]() | |||
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"He's accused of having had sex with a 17-year-old in London ![]() Jeez, I'd plead guilty to that! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment. Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency., I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad. You doubt it based on what? You seem worryingly reluctant to take the accusations levelled at face value and I'm wondering why, frankly. I'm certainly not saying he is guilty and nor do I think he ought be judged in the court of public opinion but if he has nothing to hide why is he not going straight to the USA to face questioning? I've seen nothing thus far to suggest he is guilty of paedophilia, where have you seen that?" 17 year olds in USA is below legal age I believe in some states | |||
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"I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it? Finally someone in my wavelength ![]() Thank goodness ![]() | |||
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"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment. Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency., I doubt he's guilty of paedophilia, but he has associated with a known paedophile, that's bad. You doubt it based on what? You seem worryingly reluctant to take the accusations levelled at face value and I'm wondering why, frankly. I'm certainly not saying he is guilty and nor do I think he ought be judged in the court of public opinion but if he has nothing to hide why is he not going straight to the USA to face questioning? I've seen nothing thus far to suggest he is guilty of paedophilia, where have you seen that? 17 year olds in USA is below legal age I believe in some states " You are right, 16 to 18, so depends on which state ![]() | |||
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"He's accused of having had sex with a 17-year-old in London ![]() ![]() ![]() I’m not surprised. | |||
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"There is something hidden on this case.. There's alot more behind the scenes. There will be another death mysteriously no one did it.. All will be connected More breeds silence Jill Dando knew too much...Jimmy. Saville rolf Harris etc.. . No one found her killer.. " ![]() | |||
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"There is something hidden on this case.. There's alot more behind the scenes. There will be another death mysteriously no one did it.. All will be connected More breeds silence Jill Dando knew too much...Jimmy. Saville rolf Harris etc.. . No one found her killer.. " well said don't forget Jack the ripper was meant to be royalty too x | |||
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"There is something hidden on this case.. There's alot more behind the scenes. There will be another death mysteriously no one did it.. All will be connected More breeds silence Jill Dando knew too much...Jimmy. Saville rolf Harris etc.. . No one found her killer.. well said don't forget Jack the ripper was meant to be royalty too x " , Who was that then? | |||
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"Google Prince andrew body language. If the body language expert is expert (and she sounds like it) then his mouth says no, but his body says yes." I just said that in my post ?? But I not watched no expert.. Its called observation. ?? | |||
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"Google Prince andrew body language. If the body language expert is expert (and she sounds like it) then his mouth says no, but his body says yes." I don't doubt he slept with Virginia, but has he committed a crime, is the question, apart from being a liar | |||
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"Don't forget rolf Harris painted the queen and Jimmy savelle got knighted hymmm. Now then now then now then lol " And.. | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? " 17 and travelling the world in luxury meeting famous people and getting payed well for it. | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? 17 and travelling the world in luxury meeting famous people and getting payed well for it." Yep | |||
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"I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it?" a big pay out. | |||
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"I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it? a big pay out." , It's looking that way... | |||
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"Google Prince andrew body language. If the body language expert is expert (and she sounds like it) then his mouth says no, but his body says yes." Isnt this an r.kelly song ![]() | |||
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"Oh yeah and i reckon he is guilty. 100pc" What do you think he is guilty of? | |||
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"No smoke without fire !" I agree, what part do you think he is guilty of? | |||
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"All of it ! Why would someone accuse someone of something they didnt do ?" , Money? | |||
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"Possibly but sounds to me like there could have been some "recreational substances " involved" . Not heard that one who said that and why does that make him guilty? | |||
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"He's not right on too many levels " On what levels though? | |||
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"If today's media had been around in centuries gone, there wouldn't be royal family today.. If and only if he is found guilty, and found to have been a naughty boy.... Rest assured he'd have nothing on some of his ancestors.... Quite an amusing joke on tonight's repeat have I got news for you Prince Phillip wooed the Queen when she was only 13 Some things run in the family" There has been no question about Andrew being with someone so young... | |||
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"You never get the full story in the press and the royals are obviously always protected from any scandal. But he says he has no recollection of being with this lady and she says she was forced into it ! Now let's say that I wanted you to fuck me and you said no way ! ....would it happen ? I doubt it. And he says he cant remember if it happened!!! Sounds very suspect to me. The lady in question must have known the accusation would receive very serious attention, yet she still goes public ! Mmmmmm" I think he has been with her but what law has he broken? | |||
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"I think he's guilty of being stupid and having horrific taste in friends. He needs to stop with the bullshit, admit whatever he did and deal with the outcome. " Well said ! | |||
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"Errrrr, she claims she was forced to go with him and that surely amounts to rapx and against the law !" She wasn't physically forced, why did she get on a plane and come to London? | |||
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"On Panarama..not sure what to think?" You can't believe the bbc ... He did it for sure... He was there more than he said... Butler in Buckenham palace was nicked for running pedo ring too..Google it.. | |||
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"Guilty. Let's face it he could stayed anywhere as which hotel would turn down a royal. But nope he thinks it's a great idea to stay with a pedophile. " I keep asking what he is guilty of and thus can be charged with. No he shouldn't be mixing with a paedo, stupid but that's not against the law, I suspect he had sex with a 17 year old, depending on what state he was in, in the US, that may or may not be against the law. Why has she only now, after 17 years come forward? | |||
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"On Panarama..not sure what to think? You can't believe the bbc ... He did it for sure... He was there more than he said... Butler in Buckenham palace was nicked for running pedo ring too..Google it.. " What butler? | |||
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"She claims she was forced! Do you believe he is innocent of all ? Would you like a date ? Can I handcuff you to the bed and fuck you anal ? Lol Just a joke ..please dont take offence x" Is that what he did? She wasnt forced to go anywhere or do anything, she could have said no. | |||
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"She claims she was forced! Do you believe he is innocent of all ? Would you like a date ? Can I handcuff you to the bed and fuck you anal ? Lol Just a joke ..please dont take offence x Is that what he did? She wasnt forced to go anywhere or do anything, she could have said no." Of course she could...but did she ? She claims she was forced. The royals are well protected from scandal. Its always going to be difficult to prove ! | |||
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"Guilty. Let's face it he could stayed anywhere as which hotel would turn down a royal. But nope he thinks it's a great idea to stay with a pedophile. I keep asking what he is guilty of and thus can be charged with. No he shouldn't be mixing with a paedo, stupid but that's not against the law, I suspect he had sex with a 17 year old, depending on what state he was in, in the US, that may or may not be against the law. Why has she only now, after 17 years come forward?" Could be because the Epstein money supply has dried up! | |||
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"She claims she was forced! Do you believe he is innocent of all ? Would you like a date ? Can I handcuff you to the bed and fuck you anal ? Lol Just a joke ..please dont take offence x Is that what he did? She wasnt forced to go anywhere or do anything, she could have said no. Of course she could...but did she ? She claims she was forced. The royals are well protected from scandal. Its always going to be difficult to prove !" Forced onto a private jet, I would be kicking and screaming if I didn't want to go. If he has committed a crime I hope he is punished for it, can they prove it after 17 years, I doubt it. | |||
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"Guilty. Let's face it he could stayed anywhere as which hotel would turn down a royal. But nope he thinks it's a great idea to stay with a pedophile. I keep asking what he is guilty of and thus can be charged with. No he shouldn't be mixing with a paedo, stupid but that's not against the law, I suspect he had sex with a 17 year old, depending on what state he was in, in the US, that may or may not be against the law. Why has she only now, after 17 years come forward? Could be because the Epstein money supply has dried up!" Could well be, it has coincided with his 'suicide' | |||
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"On Panarama..not sure what to think? You can't believe the bbc ... He did it for sure... He was there more than he said... Butler in Buckenham palace was nicked for running pedo ring too..Google it.. What butler?" 2008. Paul kir..55 google it..they have been around pedos for many yrs..Savile. hall harris.plus clergy. .its all there too find. | |||
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"I am confused tho ? Not defending his association ! But has he actually brought ken any laws ?" Yes, if she's been coerced to have sex with him when she didn't want to. | |||
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"Well I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty " Indeed, and more to the point, proven in a court of law and not by media | |||
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"I am confused tho ? Not defending his association ! But has he actually brought ken any laws ? Yes, if she's been coerced to have sex with him when she didn't want to." This is the bit that is being missed. She was a minor who was trafficked and coerced. Let's call it what it is -r@pe. | |||
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"And if after the first time why did she go twice more " Because coercion is not something confined to a single occasion? It can happen over a longer period of time? Like bl@ckmail is used to coerce someone into doing something for years. | |||
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"We can't say for sure but it's looking real bad for him at the moment. Whether he is guilty of paedophilia or not, you don't associate with a known paedophile if you've an ounce of decency." ![]() | |||
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"I'm not watching it. My reasons will draw the under-bridge dwellers so I'll just read the posts. " What do you mean about your reasons? | |||
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"Guilty. No royal goes to puzza hut without press reporting it. As he said No he nodded his head as a yes.. This is a natural reaction in liars. Its an automonic response.. His truthfully answer was the nod.. And others where bodyl language assessment experts would eniliate him" How many would know Edward if he walked into pizza hut. It is plausible cos he has been out if the public eye for so long. Press wouldn't have been interested in him going to pizza hut most wouldn't even know who he was. ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Only 2 people know the truth but which one is telling it With so much negativity in the world it’s frightening to think what world the young are going to inherit " I Neither of them is telling the truth. Only their version and perception of what happened | |||
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"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries. " Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out? | |||
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"Only 2 people know the truth but which one is telling it With so much negativity in the world it’s frightening to think what world the young are going to inherit I Neither of them is telling the truth. Only their version and perception of what happened" Yes it was sometime ago and she admitted to getting some dates and places muddled up. | |||
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"Neither of them is telling the truth. Only their version and perception of what happened" Well they could believe they are telling the truth, and if so, their body language would reveal that. Andrew clearly knew he was lying. And within their recollections of events there will more likely than not be truths about core elements. If their memory is good, then there will be more truths. Andrew said he went to pizza express and already we have people on here saying it was Pizza Hut. | |||
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"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries. Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out?" The same could be said in a lot of cases like this. Often the parents aren't aware or as in some of the recent awful cases in this country are aware but are powerless. | |||
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"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries. Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out? The same could be said in a lot of cases like this. Often the parents aren't aware or as in some of the recent awful cases in this country are aware but are powerless." Yes I agree, but she was offered a job as a masseuse at 15 at a high profile persons house, would her father not intervene in this situation? | |||
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"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries. Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out? The same could be said in a lot of cases like this. Often the parents aren't aware or as in some of the recent awful cases in this country are aware but are powerless. Yes I agree, but she was offered a job as a masseuse at 15 at a high profile persons house, would her father not intervene in this situation?" I Damn well know my father would have! I think that there's likely to be a whole set of circumstances and variety of people who contributed to what this young woman alleges. | |||
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"Who knows if he did or didn't really, but I do think he should help with enquiries. Yes, I think he should definitely help with enquiries, he probably won't though. She spoke of her father, why did he not intervene and get her out? The same could be said in a lot of cases like this. Often the parents aren't aware or as in some of the recent awful cases in this country are aware but are powerless. Yes I agree, but she was offered a job as a masseuse at 15 at a high profile persons house, would her father not intervene in this situation? I Damn well know my father would have! I think that there's likely to be a whole set of circumstances and variety of people who contributed to what this young woman alleges. " , She didn't have a great childhood, which is very sad, maybe she was looking for a better life. There is obviously a lot we don't know and probably never will | |||
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"Surely it should be fairly easy to prove categorically where he was on these dates, his Royal protection officers will have kept official work diaries. Why have they not been summoned to give evidence in the US? I’m genuinely intrigued as to has an offence been committed if she was 17 but the sex happened in the UK ? Was she still “underage” ? Also let’s get the other thing straight Epstein was not a paedophile he was most likely an ephebophile, quite a difference if you look up the definitions. (Spell check not working)" , I don't think anyone is obliged, at this point, to go there. What would they be summoned for. The statute of limitations means that no one is likely to be subpoenaed.Why is Epstein not a paedophile? | |||
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"Surely it should be fairly easy to prove categorically where he was on these dates, his Royal protection officers will have kept official work diaries. Why have they not been summoned to give evidence in the US? I’m genuinely intrigued as to has an offence been committed if she was 17 but the sex happened in the UK ? Was she still “underage” ? Also let’s get the other thing straight Epstein was not a paedophile he was most likely an ephebophile, quite a difference if you look up the definitions. (Spell check not working), I don't think anyone is obliged, at this point, to go there. What would they be summoned for. The statute of limitations means that no one is likely to be subpoenaed.Why is Epstein not a paedophile?" I think the guy is saying that Epstein wasn't a paedophile because they are interested in young girls where Ephebophilia is apparently sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally aged 14/15 upwards. I've Never heard the term before today, I just classed sex with under aged girls as paedophilia and still will. But regardless of the technicalities of what you want to call him let's not forget he was a sex trafficker and forcing underage girls to have sex with himself and his cronies is vile and illegal. | |||
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"Surely it should be fairly easy to prove categorically where he was on these dates, his Royal protection officers will have kept official work diaries. Why have they not been summoned to give evidence in the US? I’m genuinely intrigued as to has an offence been committed if she was 17 but the sex happened in the UK ? Was she still “underage” ? Also let’s get the other thing straight Epstein was not a paedophile he was most likely an ephebophile, quite a difference if you look up the definitions. (Spell check not working), I don't think anyone is obliged, at this point, to go there. What would they be summoned for. The statute of limitations means that no one is likely to be subpoenaed.Why is Epstein not a paedophile? I think the guy is saying that Epstein wasn't a paedophile because they are interested in young girls where Ephebophilia is apparently sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally aged 14/15 upwards. I've Never heard the term before today, I just classed sex with under aged girls as paedophilia and still will. But regardless of the technicalities of what you want to call him let's not forget he was a sex trafficker and forcing underage girls to have sex with himself and his cronies is vile and illegal. " That's my understanding of the term too. Yes Epstein was vile. As I've said if Andrew can help with enquiries into this man, then I think he should, for the victims sake, 18 years is a long time ago though. I doubt he'll go. | |||
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"Was she paid for the interview? I suspect she is looking to make financial gain out of it all from what I have heard. Did he lie? Did she lie? I doubt either of them are telling the truth as in most cases." I would imagine she would have been paid. They've probably both exaggerated the truth or been evasive, at some point, like I said 18 years is a long time. It's a shame Epstein has died, so he cant stand trial. | |||
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"I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it?" You will find that they were vunerable girls from broken homes, perfect targets for paedofiles! Like Saville and Cyrille Smith who used to target boys homes. Once your in care nobody gives a fuck and most people believe your a problem child!! | |||
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"I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it? You will find that they were vunerable girls from broken homes, perfect targets for paedofiles! Like Saville and Cyrille Smith who used to target boys homes. Once your in care nobody gives a fuck and most people believe your a problem child!! " Thank you. | |||
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"Don’t think for one minute Epstein killed himself,he was whacked to save the guilty," I do wonder.. | |||
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"I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it? You will find that they were vunerable girls from broken homes, perfect targets for paedofiles! Like Saville and Cyrille Smith who used to target boys homes. Once your in care nobody gives a fuck and most people believe your a problem child!! Thank you." It's amazing how when the fuckers in Rotherham etc did it the race and ethnicity was highlighted as was religion as if all that is what makes a criminal but when the shoes on the other foot it's not even hinted at. Rant over | |||
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"I believe he has and I also fear for her life. History shows anyone that threatens “the firm” normally ends up dead " , Yes, the dark forces! | |||
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"I question where the parents were of these young girls? She was flown around the world at 17, after the first time would you not say this is not for me and why wait for another 17 years to mention it? You will find that they were vunerable girls from broken homes, perfect targets for paedofiles! Like Saville and Cyrille Smith who used to target boys homes. Once your in care nobody gives a fuck and most people believe your a problem child!! Thank you. It's amazing how when the fuckers in Rotherham etc did it the race and ethnicity was highlighted as was religion as if all that is what makes a criminal but when the shoes on the other foot it's not even hinted at. Rant over" Yes there is good and bad in all. | |||
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"Don’t think for one minute Epstein killed himself,he was whacked to save the guilty," I think you’d have to say that’s the logical conclusion, too many people had too much to lose if he opened his mouth in court. I’m pretty sure he would’ve as well, facing the kind of sentence he was facing, why not go down and take them with him. As to my earlier post I wasn’t defending him, I just wanted to point out the correct term for his fetish. It’s a shame he won’t be punished for what he undoubtedly did, let’s hope Ms Maxwell get her due. As for why the girl has come forward now ? I imagine Mr Epstein’s massive estate has some bearing on that. | |||
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"Don’t think for one minute Epstein killed himself,he was whacked to save the guilty, I think you’d have to say that’s the logical conclusion, too many people had too much to lose if he opened his mouth in court. I’m pretty sure he would’ve as well, facing the kind of sentence he was facing, why not go down and take them with him. As to my earlier post I wasn’t defending him, I just wanted to point out the correct term for his fetish. It’s a shame he won’t be punished for what he undoubtedly did, let’s hope Ms Maxwell get her due. As for why the girl has come forward now ? I imagine Mr Epstein’s massive estate has some bearing on that. " ![]() | |||
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"The question is, what offence has he committed in America? So far the American prosecuting authorities have shown no interest in speaking with him or stated he has committed an offence. Has he committed an offence in the UK? I doubt it someone earlier referred to some UK legislation which I am not sure it is applicable. The criminal claims are being made by the victims of Epstein and their lawyers. The victim in relation to Andrew says she was "trafficked" i.e brought here for the purposes of sex, and Andrew knew and therefore was complicit. There being no other evidence the victim's lawyers are asking Andrew to effectively either voluntarily incriminate himself, or to say something so that they can tie him up in the civil courts so he pays out. That is why they keep throwing up evidence to make him look seedy but do not prove any offence. Be under no illusion that the end game here is not prosecution of Andrew as a criminal but a civil case and a claim for damages and or a settlement." This. Spot on ![]() | |||
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"The question is, what offence has he committed in America? So far the American prosecuting authorities have shown no interest in speaking with him or stated he has committed an offence. Has he committed an offence in the UK? I doubt it someone earlier referred to some UK legislation which I am not sure it is applicable. The criminal claims are being made by the victims of Epstein and their lawyers. The victim in relation to Andrew says she was "trafficked" i.e brought here for the purposes of sex, and Andrew knew and therefore was complicit. There being no other evidence the victim's lawyers are asking Andrew to effectively either voluntarily incriminate himself, or to say something so that they can tie him up in the civil courts so he pays out. That is why they keep throwing up evidence to make him look seedy but do not prove any offence. Be under no illusion that the end game here is not prosecution of Andrew as a criminal but a civil case and a claim for damages and or a settlement." These are my thoughts too. Surely this can only be a civil case, would she won a case after 18 yeats, maybe not... | |||
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"The question is, what offence has he committed in America? So far the American prosecuting authorities have shown no interest in speaking with him or stated he has committed an offence. Has he committed an offence in the UK? I doubt it someone earlier referred to some UK legislation which I am not sure it is applicable. The criminal claims are being made by the victims of Epstein and their lawyers. The victim in relation to Andrew says she was "trafficked" i.e brought here for the purposes of sex, and Andrew knew and therefore was complicit. There being no other evidence the victim's lawyers are asking Andrew to effectively either voluntarily incriminate himself, or to say something so that they can tie him up in the civil courts so he pays out. That is why they keep throwing up evidence to make him look seedy but do not prove any offence. Be under no illusion that the end game here is not prosecution of Andrew as a criminal but a civil case and a claim for damages and or a settlement. These are my thoughts too. Surely this can only be a civil case, would she won a case after 18 yeats, maybe not..." *win and years* | |||
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"I haven't watched much of this at all, but have a couple of thoughts: The girl was 17 - perfectly legal in the UK. He might be a dirty old man, but that, thank fuck, is not a crime. Even in the US, where she may not have been legal in some states? (don't know) I believe the statute of limitations will have expired in most areas, so no-one is going to charge him. How was the girl coerced? Or was she paid/bribed at the time, and sees a possible payday again now? Don't know. Just asking." Yes my understanding is that the statute of limitations will have expired now. I understand she was paid. | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? " It's about the abuse if power as well as age. | |||
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"Anybody who watched his interview and doesn’t think he was lying really needs to find a mirror and have a word with themselves. And in some states she was a minor,so it was an offence. Like I’ve already said Epstein was wacked Andrew is guilty,so is maxwell and no doubt dozens more high rankers in society,Christ the bbc covered up jimmy saville for years,,what do you think the mi5,CIA are capable of?" I thought it looked that way, I'm still not sure why he decided to do the interview, was it because Virginia had recorded hers 3 weeks earlier , why didn't they air it then? | |||
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"Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls." Most would do what? | |||
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"Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls. Most would do what?" fly round the world with young ladies on arm | |||
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" Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm " I don’t think it’s his arm they’re worried about them being on. ![]() | |||
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"Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls. Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm " A bit more than that. He allegedly had sex with a girl who may have been under the age of consent and who was procured by a madam.... | |||
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"Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls." Appreciate it's your opinion so alls good But you're not talking for me or my mates when you say most men would do the same if we were in his position. *Where's the fun in having sex with a 17yo girl supplied to you like a piece of meat. * If it's true As a man i want sex with a willing partner or I'd rather go without. | |||
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"Well the UK should be happy to send Andrew over there for questioning just as soon as they send that woman here for questioning about that young lad she killed " , Sadly, I doubt that will happen. She definitely should be sent here, regardless. | |||
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"Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls. Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm " Some of which have allegedly been groomed from the age of 14 ?! Wow ![]() | |||
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"Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls. Appreciate it's your opinion so alls good But you're not talking for me or my mates when you say most men would do the same if we were in his position. *Where's the fun in having sex with a 17yo girl supplied to you like a piece of meat. * If it's true As a man i want sex with a willing partner or I'd rather go without. " Quite true, maybe a lesson learnt for the poster,read the thread before you make such unsavoury comments. | |||
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"Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls. Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm Some of which have allegedly been groomed from the age of 14 ?! Wow ![]() Yep, scary indeed ![]() | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? , She was 17 Mickey, but in some states in America, the legal age is 18 , so depends on where the dirty deed ocurred, if indeed it did? ![]() It happened in belgravia by what i understand. | |||
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"Guilty not sure as not watched anything about it not really bothered about it to be honest if he did or didn't who really cares most would do the same if in same position as he is and wealth it the way this unsavory world rolls. Most would do what?fly round the world with young ladies on arm " His friend ran a grooming gang. Just like in Rotherham. Trafficking vulnerable young girls for sex with adult men. | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? , She was 17 Mickey, but in some states in America, the legal age is 18 , so depends on where the dirty deed ocurred, if indeed it did? ![]() Ok. Talking about America where the age of consent, in some states, is 18, she was 17. | |||
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"If you watch the bbc interview he is guilty. Provided no evidence to back up his claims." He hasn't been charged with anything or accused of anything by the authorities. | |||
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"Truth, we will probably not know the real truth, I am not one of these people who see conspiracy in everything, Diana's Death is sad but irrelevant as no one knows what happened therefore you can guess and create mass hysteria ( which seems to be what happened with princess Di.) Now Andrew, yes he has been guilty of associating with a known sexual predator, as he is now dead m, we will never know what he was going to say in court, so of course the masses are seeing conspiracy again, with what evidence? Prince Andrew doesn’t seem to have broken any criminal law, yet he is being castrated by the press and a victim has come out of the woodwork 18 yrs on?? Why not sooner?? It seems to me this is now about money, wherever money gets involved in these things, it’s never about the crime, it’s how much can I get!!" Yes Stella ![]() | |||
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"GUILTY ME LORD.... Hang on..... He is part of the BIGGEST Mafia families on earth, that being the Royal family..... Look what they errrrrr, ,,,, , didn't do to Dianna? Thinking about it. Hmmmm I like my life so I better say innocent until proven guilty....." ![]() | |||
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"As guilty as his father and brother Chaz, all vile humans!" What did they do? | |||
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"As guilty as his father and brother Chaz, all vile humans! What did they do?" Well known peadophiles, Jimmy Savile procured children for the royal family! Common knowledge, he used to walk in and out of Buckingham (biggest council house in world) don't take my word for it, do some research, all the evidence is there, nothing will ever happen to them, because They ARE the law! Sad x | |||
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"I'm thinking he did. Has he broken any laws, I'm not sure... That's what I've been thinking. How old was she at the time? " Doesn't matter, they were groomed, and afraid. | |||
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"As guilty as his father and brother Chaz, all vile humans! What did they do? Well known peadophiles, Jimmy Savile procured children for the royal family! Common knowledge, he used to walk in and out of Buckingham (biggest council house in world) don't take my word for it, do some research, all the evidence is there, nothing will ever happen to them, because They ARE the law! Sad x" Ok, I wasn't aware that Prince Philip and Prince Charles were paeodophiles, but I will do as you suggest and have a read. | |||
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