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"Go watch twitter but not if you are sensitive I not but don't have it, I'll check news feeds" Not sure they will show it on the news, but basically there are a couple of videos filmed from the buses showing the public restraining / fighting someone through to the police arriving and the end | |||
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"The person has been shot. London Bridge has been shut off. 5 injured reported on news. " That is right he was that too. | |||
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"Go watch twitter but not if you are sensitive I not but don't have it, I'll check news feeds Not sure they will show it on the news, but basically there are a couple of videos filmed from the buses showing the public restraining / fighting someone through to the police arriving and the end" Yes I will have a look there too for the latest  | |||
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"It’s live on the BBC news Chanel " Yes and it is on sky as well. | |||
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"I watched the video online. I think the cops did the right thing. It's so sad though. I really don't understand how so many people get so close when it's clear it's a dangerous situation, but I guess until you're in that situation you can't be sure how you'd act. " hopefully we never find out, I would suppose that the will to keep people safe takes over, if loved ones were with you and that thing kicks off, But this is happening to often now on London streets, I'm worried that there will be XMas market copycats now, Sick fffks | |||
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"Its sad to think that when people are being hurt or killed, peoples first thoughts are to film it. Can you imagine if one of your family was killed and the person closest to them was too busy filming instead of helping." I will never get this, What is the hope here that they get money if the vid gets enough hits, There are people being hurt feet away,, put the phone away and be useful, Or maybe I'm a dinosaur and this is the norm nowadays, | |||
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"We're in London for the weekend, staying just up from the incident. Loads of sirens, but everyone seems to be just getting on with their day, and taking it in their stride. " It might seem strange but that’s what you have to do and just be aware and vigilant when out and about. Security will be tight wherever you go Hope it doesn’t spoil your weekend | |||
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"We're in London for the weekend, staying just up from the incident. Loads of sirens, but everyone seems to be just getting on with their day, and taking it in their stride. " That's London. We're hard to stop..... | |||
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"I watched the video online. I think the cops did the right thing. It's so sad though. I really don't understand how so many people get so close when it's clear it's a dangerous situation, but I guess until you're in that situation you can't be sure how you'd act. hopefully we never find out, I would suppose that the will to keep people safe takes over, if loved ones were with you and that thing kicks off, But this is happening to often now on London streets, I'm worried that there will be XMas market copycats now, Sick fffks" It is happening too often now I agree. It wasn't that long ago it happened at the Manchester Arndale and when it's right on your doorstep it really makes you worry. It's heartbreaking we live in a world full of so much violence. I do think the more this happens the more people will be braver and step in to try and help to prevent as much damage as possible. I have so much respect for people like that. | |||
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"I watched the video online. I think the cops did the right thing. It's so sad though. I really don't understand how so many people get so close when it's clear it's a dangerous situation, but I guess until you're in that situation you can't be sure how you'd act. " The video shows people nearby as they clearly didn’t understand what was going on, until the police arrived it looks like a fight between blokes, the minute the police arrive you see the people move. You are right you have no idea how you will react until you are caught up in something like that, there is no right or wrong, fight or flee. Respect to those that over powered him until the police arrived. The police will always shoot to kill if deemed necessary, that is why this person, like the previous London Bridge attacks wear the fake vests. | |||
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"Its sad to think that when people are being hurt or killed, peoples first thoughts are to film it. Can you imagine if one of your family was killed and the person closest to them was too busy filming instead of helping." , The police have asked anyone with footage to pass it to them, it could hold vital information. | |||
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"We're in London for the weekend, staying just up from the incident. Loads of sirens, but everyone seems to be just getting on with their day, and taking it in their stride. That's London. We're hard to stop....." Been here before many a time from lots of different fractions, it’s not stopped us before and it never will. | |||
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"I watched the video online. I think the cops did the right thing. It's so sad though. I really don't understand how so many people get so close when it's clear it's a dangerous situation, but I guess until you're in that situation you can't be sure how you'd act. hopefully we never find out, I would suppose that the will to keep people safe takes over, if loved ones were with you and that thing kicks off, But this is happening to often now on London streets, I'm worried that there will be XMas market copycats now, Sick fffks It is happening too often now I agree. It wasn't that long ago it happened at the Manchester Arndale and when it's right on your doorstep it really makes you worry. It's heartbreaking we live in a world full of so much violence. I do think the more this happens the more people will be braver and step in to try and help to prevent as much damage as possible. I have so much respect for people like that. " well it's sad to say but expect more of it now that the Isis camps were let go, we have a few thousand nuts roaming free with nothing but hate on their mind, | |||
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"There have been an attack in london bridge and its been described as terrorism, the public restrained a man, does anyone do you know anying more? We will know more as the situation unfolds. " Did you copy and paste that from sky news?!  | |||
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"I watched the video online. I think the cops did the right thing. It's so sad though. I really don't understand how so many people get so close when it's clear it's a dangerous situation, but I guess until you're in that situation you can't be sure how you'd act. hopefully we never find out, I would suppose that the will to keep people safe takes over, if loved ones were with you and that thing kicks off, But this is happening to often now on London streets, I'm worried that there will be XMas market copycats now, Sick fffks It is happening too often now I agree. It wasn't that long ago it happened at the Manchester Arndale and when it's right on your doorstep it really makes you worry. It's heartbreaking we live in a world full of so much violence. I do think the more this happens the more people will be braver and step in to try and help to prevent as much damage as possible. I have so much respect for people like that. well it's sad to say but expect more of it now that the Isis camps were let go, we have a few thousand nuts roaming free with nothing but hate on their mind, " Can we please refrain from assigning blame until the facts are known | |||
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"We're in London for the weekend, staying just up from the incident. Loads of sirens, but everyone seems to be just getting on with their day, and taking it in their stride. That's London. We're hard to stop..... Been here before many a time from lots of different fractions, it’s not stopped us before and it never will. " And it never should. | |||
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"How very convenient of a "terror" attack..... There must be a election coming up "Seriously what has that got to do with anything !! Someone died today and others injured, have some respect | |||
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"We're in London for the weekend, staying just up from the incident. Loads of sirens, but everyone seems to be just getting on with their day, and taking it in their stride. That's London. We're hard to stop..... Been here before many a time from lots of different fractions, it’s not stopped us before and it never will. And it never should." | |||
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"How very convenient of a "terror" attack..... There must be a election coming up "Would you like to borrow my tinfoil hat? I had a little side bet that someone would post some stupidity like this. Sometimes I hate being right.  | |||
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"How very convenient of a "terror" attack..... There must be a election coming up "yeah im sure the victims familys first thought was the same too  | |||
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"Its sad to think that when people are being hurt or killed, peoples first thoughts are to film it. Can you imagine if one of your family was killed and the person closest to them was too busy filming instead of helping." If they were on a bus they couldn't help anyway. I think it's good they filmed it as it can be used as evidence. | |||
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"Its sad to think that when people are being hurt or killed, peoples first thoughts are to film it. Can you imagine if one of your family was killed and the person closest to them was too busy filming instead of helping. If they were on a bus they couldn't help anyway. I think it's good they filmed it as it can be used as evidence. " | |||
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"Oh this is awful! 2 people have been declared dead.  "It's dreadful Lorna, when will it all stop, it's so sad.... | |||
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"How very convenient of a "terror" attack..... There must be a election coming up "Sell what ever it is your on. Or stop sniffing it, one of the two! | |||
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"Oh this is awful! 2 people have been declared dead.
It's dreadful Lorna, when will it all stop, it's so sad...."It really is. X | |||
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"Oh this is awful! 2 people have been declared dead.
It's dreadful Lorna, when will it all stop, it's so sad....
It really is. X"Its sad but sorry to say it will always be around in one form or another | |||
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"Oh this is awful! 2 people have been declared dead.
It's dreadful Lorna, when will it all stop, it's so sad....
It really is. X
Its sad but sorry to say it will always be around in one form or another "Sadly it will... | |||
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"Oh this is awful! 2 people have been declared dead.
It's dreadful Lorna, when will it all stop, it's so sad....
It really is. X
Its sad but sorry to say it will always be around in one form or another "Has been for years. I walk past Spaghetti House most days. Sad, but true. | |||
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"Oh this is awful! 2 people have been declared dead.
It's dreadful Lorna, when will it all stop, it's so sad....
It really is. X
Its sad but sorry to say it will always be around in one form or another "I know but I'm scared. It's the first time I've been a Londoner when there has been an attack. | |||
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"Feel for the victims and their families. Glad they shot dead the prick who did it. Best thing is to not name him, no one gives a shit anyway." I totally agree. | |||
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"Oh this is awful! 2 people have been declared dead.
It's dreadful Lorna, when will it all stop, it's so sad....
It really is. X
Its sad but sorry to say it will always be around in one form or another
I know but I'm scared. It's the first time I've been a Londoner when there has been an attack. "I used to travel in every month, going to hospital with sister in law. Just have to be vigilant, can't let the buggers win.. | |||
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"Oh this is awful! 2 people have been declared dead.
It's dreadful Lorna, when will it all stop, it's so sad....
It really is. X
Its sad but sorry to say it will always be around in one form or another
I know but I'm scared. It's the first time I've been a Londoner when there has been an attack.
I used to travel in every month, going to hospital with sister in law. Just have to be vigilant, can't let the buggers win.."That's what Ash said. | |||
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Wtaf is wrong with humans?????
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"Oh this is awful! 2 people have been declared dead.
It's dreadful Lorna, when will it all stop, it's so sad....
It really is. X
Its sad but sorry to say it will always be around in one form or another
I know but I'm scared. It's the first time I've been a Londoner when there has been an attack. "I can understand that Lorna as your first time. I can say stick two fingers up to them and get on with your life, and don’t let it bother you. Part of that is true but you just have to be aware and wits about you. This could unfortunately happen in any city in the UK, it’s not just limited to London | |||
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"Guy was shot twice, he was wearing a fake explosive vest, you won't see it on news only some sending it out on whatsapp and messenger, just think of the money saved on court costs and jail term. "Just watched the vid....well done to the ppl tackling him to the ground...oh yeh and the cops for shooting him..... | |||
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"Maybe they should tackle all knife crime like this." A bit extreme... !!! Only got shot because of the fake vest. No fake vest, he would have been shot in the leg, interrogated and trialled. They wear these vests for a reason | |||
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"Guy was shot twice, he was wearing a fake explosive vest, you won't see it on news only some sending it out on whatsapp and messenger, just think of the money saved on court costs and jail term.
Just watched the vid....well done to the ppl tackling him to the ground...oh yeh and the cops for shooting him....."Should of just rolled him over into the Thames as fish food after. | |||
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"No doubt a m_mber of his family will try to claim compensation for some spurious reason." I don't really get this train of thought at this point. | |||
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"Religion strikes again!! "In what way, what are you privvy too? | |||
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"Religion strikes again!! "Satan comes to mind.. | |||
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"How very convenient of a "terror" attack..... There must be a election coming up "Could be a lone wolf. Could be a loon. I'm making the assumption it has been labelled a terror attack so that the police have more rights. | |||
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"Its sad to think that when people are being hurt or killed, peoples first thoughts are to film it. Can you imagine if one of your family was killed and the person closest to them was too busy filming instead of helping. If they were on a bus they couldn't help anyway. I think it's good they filmed it as it can be used as evidence. " And the truth cannot be hidden from the public. | |||
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"Keep a sense of perspective, folks. How many people have been stabbed in London this year? (Too many obviously) Add the word "terrorism" to any of those stabbings and it becomes a national catastrophe. Everyone goes into a panic. That is the definition of terrorism - to create fear and alarm among populations. Random stabbings don't create fear and alarm. Wall-to-wall media coverage, threads like this . . . that's how the terrorist achieves their goal. " Hmmmmmm wearing a (fake or not it does not matter) bomb vest takes it to another level in my opinion, you want to run round wearing one of them expect the response seen today......in this climate as well....over reaction no I don't think so... | |||
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"Keep a sense of perspective, folks. How many people have been stabbed in London this year? (Too many obviously) Add the word "terrorism" to any of those stabbings and it becomes a national catastrophe. Everyone goes into a panic. That is the definition of terrorism - to create fear and alarm among populations. Random stabbings don't create fear and alarm. Wall-to-wall media coverage, threads like this . . . that's how the terrorist achieves their goal. " . That's true, just look at climate change, the latest bogeyman. Shame the press loves to scare us. | |||
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"Last week a12 year old cause a problem in Birmingham. With a knife.!!! Next to no repsonce. In side the castle walls “London “ results mair of London. Well done londerners. Results "Oh cmon this guy was stabbing ppl wearing a fake bomb vest.....want you want to do give him 100 hours community service? | |||
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"Last week a12 year old cause a problem in Birmingham. With a knife.!!! Next to no repsonce. "I take it the 20 police vehicles were all just visiting McDonalds for supper then? | |||
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"This thread turned positive I see.... A few poor bastards just died didn't they...? "Yes and people are discussing it As ever if it doesn't suit, choose a different thread | |||
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"How very convenient of a "terror" attack..... There must be a election coming up "Are you for real?? Sometimes I really wish there was no time outs on here, as this is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard!  | |||
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Extremely proud of the people who risked their own lives to bring down the attacker, such bravery and courage that undoubtedly saved others
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"How very convenient of a "terror" attack..... There must be a election coming up
Are you for real??
Sometimes I really wish there was no time outs on here, as this is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard! "Is it your first day? | |||
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"This thread turned positive I see.... A few poor bastards just died didn't they...?
Yes and people are discussing it
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"Absolutely horrendous news, thoughts are with those families who have lost loved ones today
Extremely proud of the people who risked their own lives to bring down the attacker, such bravery and courage that undoubtedly saved others
"After seeing the videos and seeing people run towards him rather than away, totally commendable acts of heroism in my opinion
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"Jesus just seen all this on the news, well done those brave people who helped stop him in his tracks. Sadly two other people have died too, but they may well have stopped more people getting killed" It's horrible isn't it. I'm now a Londoner and I know I'm not meant to show I'm frightened and carry on but it's really hard to when you know what happened to those poor people who were just going about their day. | |||
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"How very convenient of a "terror" attack..... There must be a election coming up
Are you for real??
Sometimes I really wish there was no time outs on here, as this is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard!
Is it your first day?"No, ten plus years actually, you just learn to know who the trolls are! So please yourself behind your screen | |||
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"Jesus just seen all this on the news, well done those brave people who helped stop him in his tracks. Sadly two other people have died too, but they may well have stopped more people getting killed It's horrible isn't it. I'm now a Londoner and I know I'm not meant to show I'm frightened and carry on but it's really hard to when you know what happened to those poor people who were just going about their day. " I don't see why people can't be frightened, it is a natural reaction. We were there not long ago for a long weekend and the thoughts go through your head while you are there or in any big city to be fair BUT people are right , we have to not let it stop us living our lives. | |||
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"Absolutely horrendous news, thoughts are with those families who have lost loved ones today
Extremely proud of the people who risked their own lives to bring down the attacker, such bravery and courage that undoubtedly saved others
After seeing the videos and seeing people run towards him rather than away, totally commendable acts of heroism in my opinion
Well done you Londoners! Hats off to you! "Well done indeed | |||
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"This thread turned positive I see.... A few poor bastards just died didn't they...? ", Bastards? | |||
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"Disgusting scenes on social media of climate activists chanting "fuck the police", who just a few hours earlier were dealing with the potential terrorist attack. Keeping them safe, just to be abused. Welcome to Great Britain 2019." , Tut...knobs... | |||
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"They aren't 'climate' change activists,they are system change activists Interestingly the terror threat level was raised in the north west this morning,to people working in certain gov depts " True, the climate lobbyists do seem to have become the Marxist lobbyists. | |||
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"They aren't 'climate' change activists,they are system change activists Interestingly the terror threat level was raised in the north west this morning,to people working in certain gov depts True, the climate lobbyists do seem to have become the Marxist lobbyists." Look at the groups behind the 'fluffy' front of oap's,pretend hunger strikers,kids,there is the risk that people will be taken in by all that and also said me of the posters I saw last time I was in London leave no doubt of the venom of some involved | |||
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"Disgusting scenes on social media of climate activists chanting "fuck the police", who just a few hours earlier were dealing with the potential terrorist attack. Keeping them safe, just to be abused. Welcome to Great Britain 2019." | |||
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"Disgusting scenes on social media of climate activists chanting "fuck the police", who just a few hours earlier were dealing with the potential terrorist attack. Keeping them safe, just to be abused. Welcome to Great Britain 2019." A lot of their rallys are at high profile venues for maximum publicity. A lot of those venues are also terror targets for axactly the same reason. Wouldn't it be ironic if the very people they're berating were the very same people who saved their lives in the event of an attack. To the actual subject, people's bravery astounds me sometimes. Hats off to to the public and police for what they did. Sympathies to.the innocents who killed and injured. | |||
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"Disgusting scenes on social media of climate activists chanting "fuck the police", who just a few hours earlier were dealing with the potential terrorist attack. Keeping them safe, just to be abused. Welcome to Great Britain 2019." Do you have a source for this Clem? It just seems odd that even the right wing media that love an opportunity to attack extinction rebellion arent reporting it? And the nearest links I can find are for a demo in Australia yesterday where people chanted "fuck bhp" (a company that was being targetted). Or maybe this is like the pictures of hyde park in the summer was supposedly trashed by extinction rebellion but was a picture of a completely different event. Butveven if it's rue, it's still pretty fucked up to somehow try and divert a terrorist incident where 2 people died in to an anti-climate change protestor agenda | |||
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"This just came up on my news feed. The man who carried out Friday's stabbing attack at London Bridge was a former prisoner convicted of terrorism offences. The attacker, named by police as 28-year-old xxxxx xxxx, was out of prison on licence at the time of the attack, in which a man and a woman were killed and three others were injured. Xxxx was shot dead by officers after m_mbers of the public restrained him. Police declared the attack a terrorist incident. Xxxx was known to the authorities, having been convicted for terrorism offences in 2012, according to Met Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu. One question. Why was he released from prison? I hope the person who made that decision is having sleepless nights. "He was on licence and wearing a tag. Which is pretty shocking on the face of it. But he'd served several years when released. It prompts a number of questions but I didn't think playing the blame game and targeting an individual is the answer. It wouldn't have been one person's decision and it's the system that needs looking at not the actions of one official | |||
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"How very convenient of a "terror" attack..... There must be a election coming up "Well the anti Corbin posts are already spreading over Facebook on the back of this which I find is really distasteful, but I have to be honest I don’t think even the Tory’s would stoop that low. | |||
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"This just came up on my news feed. The man who carried out Friday's stabbing attack at London Bridge was a former prisoner convicted of terrorism offences. The attacker, named by police as 28-year-old xxxxx xxxx, was out of prison on licence at the time of the attack, in which a man and a woman were killed and three others were injured. Xxxx was shot dead by officers after m_mbers of the public restrained him. Police declared the attack a terrorist incident. Xxxx was known to the authorities, having been convicted for terrorism offences in 2012, according to Met Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu. One question. Why was he released from prison? I hope the person who made that decision is having sleepless nights.
He was on licence and wearing a tag. Which is pretty shocking on the face of it. But he'd served several years when released.
It prompts a number of questions but I didn't think playing the blame game and targeting an individual is the answer. It wouldn't have been one person's decision and it's the system that needs looking at not the actions of one official "It just makes me weep that we see things like this over and over again, not justvtertor related, it happens with other crimes too. Not forgetting, the perceived risk was dealt with appropriayely (in my opinion) but he was someone's son. They too are grieving. I have no sympathy for the perpetrator at all. Well done to all who stopped this from being much worse. Respect. | |||
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"My colleagues were on lock down in the office until 7pm last night not knowing what was going to happen and one of them actually witnessed this revolting scene. I think I'm ok to say that personally I find some of the views about this being staged as an election stunt really distasteful (personally of course, but you're all entitled to other opinions). For me it's just as sad to see such a horrible event used politically. Makes me super sad. Thoughts to all those affected by this, respect to those who helped to stop the attacker and peace to those who've died
Business as usual is the way to fight it.... "It's awful. I was there on Tuesday for an award ceremony. I'm not religious but it makes you think 'there but for the grace of God go I' Your colleagues have my thoughts, what a scary situation. | |||
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"My colleagues were on lock down in the office until 7pm last night not knowing what was going to happen and one of them actually witnessed this revolting scene. I think I'm ok to say that personally I find some of the views about this being staged as an election stunt really distasteful (personally of course, but you're all entitled to other opinions). For me it's just as sad to see such a horrible event used politically. Makes me super sad. Thoughts to all those affected by this, respect to those who helped to stop the attacker and peace to those who've died
Business as usual is the way to fight it....
It's awful.
I was there on Tuesday for an award ceremony.
I'm not religious but it makes you think 'there but for the grace of God go I'
Your colleagues have my thoughts, what a scary situation." | |||
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"We're in London for the weekend, staying just up from the incident. Loads of sirens, but everyone seems to be just getting on with their day, and taking it in their stride. That's London. We're hard to stop..... Been here before many a time from lots of different fractions, it’s not stopped us before and it never will. And it never should. "So we spent the evening in central London, food, drinks, show. A small police presence, but low profile, and actually no more than you'd expect on a normal Friday night. No discernable sense of fear or apprehension at all, everyone seemed to be cracking on enjoying themselves, just as it should be | |||
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"Its sad to think that when people are being hurt or killed, peoples first thoughts are to film it. Can you imagine if one of your family was killed and the person closest to them was too busy filming instead of helping. If they were on a bus they couldn't help anyway. I think it's good they filmed it as it can be used as evidence. And the truth cannot be hidden from the public. " That is right the truth is very important of what happened and who is behind it. | |||
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"This just came up on my news feed. The man who carried out Friday's stabbing attack at London Bridge was a former prisoner convicted of terrorism offences. The attacker, named by police as 28-year-old xxxxx xxxx, was out of prison on licence at the time of the attack, in which a man and a woman were killed and three others were injured. Xxxx was shot dead by officers after m_mbers of the public restrained him. Police declared the attack a terrorist incident. Xxxx was known to the authorities, having been convicted for terrorism offences in 2012, according to Met Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu. One question. Why was he released from prison? I hope the person who made that decision is having sleepless nights. "They can only be held for so long based on the nature of the crime they were convicted of. The blame game will now begin, even though it shouldn’t, because he was out on licence. We simply do not have enough people to track and follow every known individual of this type of group. Don’t be so quick to judge failings, but rem_mber that people are doing their best with the resources they have, they actually prevent / stop more attacks than actually happen. Unfortunately some will slip through | |||
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"Keep a sense of perspective, folks. How many people have been stabbed in London this year? (Too many obviously) Add the word "terrorism" to any of those stabbings and it becomes a national catastrophe. Everyone goes into a panic. That is the definition of terrorism - to create fear and alarm among populations. Random stabbings don't create fear and alarm. Wall-to-wall media coverage, threads like this . . . that's how the terrorist achieves their goal. " The difference here is he also had a vest on. | |||
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"This just came up on my news feed. The man who carried out Friday's stabbing attack at London Bridge was a former prisoner convicted of terrorism offences. The attacker, named by police as 28-year-old xxxxx xxxx, was out of prison on licence at the time of the attack, in which a man and a woman were killed and three others were injured. Xxxx was shot dead by officers after m_mbers of the public restrained him. Police declared the attack a terrorist incident. Xxxx was known to the authorities, having been convicted for terrorism offences in 2012, according to Met Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu. One question. Why was he released from prison? I hope the person who made that decision is having sleepless nights.
He was on licence and wearing a tag. Which is pretty shocking on the face of it. But he'd served several years when released.
It prompts a number of questions but I didn't think playing the blame game and targeting an individual is the answer. It wouldn't have been one person's decision and it's the system that needs looking at not the actions of one official "Also it's emerged one of the have a go hero's is a convicted murderer out on day release, killed a young girl with learning difficulties. Certainly prompts a number of questions. | |||
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"This just came up on my news feed. The man who carried out Friday's stabbing attack at London Bridge was a former prisoner convicted of terrorism offences. The attacker, named by police as 28-year-old xxxxx xxxx, was out of prison on licence at the time of the attack, in which a man and a woman were killed and three others were injured. Xxxx was shot dead by officers after m_mbers of the public restrained him. Police declared the attack a terrorist incident. Xxxx was known to the authorities, having been convicted for terrorism offences in 2012, according to Met Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu. One question. Why was he released from prison? I hope the person who made that decision is having sleepless nights.
They can only be held for so long based on the nature of the crime they were convicted of.
The blame game will now begin, even though it shouldn’t, because he was out on licence. We simply do not have enough people to track and follow every known individual of this type of group.
Don’t be so quick to judge failings, but rem_mber that people are doing their best with the resources they have, they actually prevent / stop more attacks than actually happen. Unfortunately some will slip through "Very true. I'm sorry, this is a bit close to home. It's hard to be unemotional. Thank you. | |||
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" Also it's emerged one of the have a go hero's is a convicted murderer out on day release, killed a young girl with learning difficulties. Certainly prompts a number of questions. " He has done his recommended 15 years and was on day release from pen prison which seems a normal thing to happen On another note having googled that to see it took me to a DM page which had a video taken from a different angle with the first couple of men who were trying to stop him, one with a fire extinguisher, there were some quick thinking and brave people about yesterday | |||
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"This just came up on my news feed. The man who carried out Friday's stabbing attack at London Bridge was a former prisoner convicted of terrorism offences. The attacker, named by police as 28-year-old xxxxx xxxx, was out of prison on licence at the time of the attack, in which a man and a woman were killed and three others were injured. Xxxx was shot dead by officers after m_mbers of the public restrained him. Police declared the attack a terrorist incident. Xxxx was known to the authorities, having been convicted for terrorism offences in 2012, according to Met Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu. One question. Why was he released from prison? I hope the person who made that decision is having sleepless nights.
They can only be held for so long based on the nature of the crime they were convicted of.
The blame game will now begin, even though it shouldn’t, because he was out on licence. We simply do not have enough people to track and follow every known individual of this type of group.
Don’t be so quick to judge failings, but rem_mber that people are doing their best with the resources they have, they actually prevent / stop more attacks than actually happen. Unfortunately some will slip through
Very true.
I'm sorry, this is a bit close to home. It's hard to be unemotional.
Thank you."No need to apologise for your thoughts. We all deal with things differently based on our own experiences. I’m quiet matter of fact about, people say cold, but it’s having grown up with the threat of terrorism in one form or another, it’s how we are taught to handle it. Yesterday was a little bit to close for comfort with a family m_mber and ‘a what if moment’ for me, but can’t dwell on it. | |||
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"Unfortunately there is not much protection against these type of cowardly attack’s other than anti terror surveillance, which has thwarted many happening. People say be vigilant but that is easy said as you could be on your phone, chatting with a friend etc and your attention is not on things going on around you " We were vigilant of who was around us, so much so that we got off a tube once when there was an idiot kicking off, as did a few others and yes it was reported, you never know and you can only do so much. | |||
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"Obviously the problem is the bridge. The solution is simple,remove the bridge. No,better idea. Remove the footways and widen the carriageway. Motor vehicles only." But the people he killed were in a conference centre, not on the bridge. | |||
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"Obviously the problem is the bridge. The solution is simple,remove the bridge. No,better idea. Remove the footways and widen the carriageway. Motor vehicles only." What a ridiculous comment. There have been attacks in other places. There have been attacks with motor vehicles as the weapon... | |||
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"Convicted terrorist who was given an indeterminate sentence. . That was changed on appeal. Sentence was then set at 16 years. This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of this sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals just a rope and a long drop. Problem sorted. " Exactly. Hang them all. And shoot to kill if you run from police. | |||
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"Convicted terrorist who was given an indeterminate sentence. . That was changed on appeal. Sentence was then set at 16 years. This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of this sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals just a rope and a long drop. Problem sorted. " So you would execute someone who hasn’t actually killed anyone, but found guilty of plotting to do so ? | |||
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"Convicted terrorist who was given an indeterminate sentence. . That was changed on appeal. Sentence was then set at 16 years. This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of this sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals just a rope and a long drop. Problem sorted. " If only life was thst simple, but it isn't. I completely agree this guy should not have been released, although I say that not knowing the full facts of his release. But to let a suspected terrorist out on good behaviour just doesn't make sense. | |||
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"Convicted terrorist who was given an indeterminate sentence. . That was changed on appeal. Sentence was then set at 16 years. This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of this sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals just a rope and a long drop. Problem sorted. Exactly. Hang them all. And shoot to kill if you run from police." If the government had executed everyone connected with the IRA, ignoring the issue of those wrongly convicted do you think the Good Friday agreement would still have happened? | |||
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"This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of his 16 years sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals.. Problem sorted. " " I completely agree this guy should not have been released, although I say that not knowing the full facts of his release. But to let a suspected terrorist out on good behaviour just doesn't make sense." Totally agree. Who are these decision makers that allow a convicted terrorist to be released after 8 years instead of his full sentence? | |||
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"This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of his 16 years sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals.. Problem sorted. I completely agree this guy should not have been released, although I say that not knowing the full facts of his release. But to let a suspected terrorist out on good behaviour just doesn't make sense. Totally agree. Who are these decision makers that allow a convicted terrorist to be released after 8 years instead of his full sentence? " He was given an IPP (imprisonment for public protection) and released six years later without parole board assessment because legislation brought in by the labour government of 2008 meant that he had to be automatically released after half of the jail term. The conservatives changed that law in 2012 to end the automatic release policy but khan was convicted before this (2012 change). So in answer, Labour law by Blunkett I think, Tory had to follow till they changed it. And add in the EU Supreme Court order to comply with it. | |||
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"This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of his 16 years sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals.. Problem sorted. I completely agree this guy should not have been released, although I say that not knowing the full facts of his release. But to let a suspected terrorist out on good behaviour just doesn't make sense. Totally agree. Who are these decision makers that allow a convicted terrorist to be released after 8 years instead of his full sentence? He was given an IPP (imprisonment for public protection) and released six years later without parole board assessment because legislation brought in by the labour government of 2008 meant that he had to be automatically released after half of the jail term. The conservatives changed that law in 2012 to end the automatic release policy but khan was convicted before this (2012 change). So in answer, Labour law by Blunkett I think, Tory had to follow till they changed it. And add in the EU Supreme Court order to comply with it. "The trouble with quoting Priti Patel's tweets and engaging in her grotesque blame game is that she's wrong and has already been challenged on the claims. He was convicted under an IPP, a sentence that labour introduced in 2003 and allowed for the convicted to be detained until such time they were deemed no longer a risk In 2012 the conservative government abolished them. And there were other sentencing options available other than a sentence where he would be relased midterm had the judge so chosen. | |||
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"This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of his 16 years sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals.. Problem sorted. I completely agree this guy should not have been released, although I say that not knowing the full facts of his release. But to let a suspected terrorist out on good behaviour just doesn't make sense. Totally agree. Who are these decision makers that allow a convicted terrorist to be released after 8 years instead of his full sentence? He was given an IPP (imprisonment for public protection) and released six years later without parole board assessment because legislation brought in by the labour government of 2008 meant that he had to be automatically released after half of the jail term. The conservatives changed that law in 2012 to end the automatic release policy but khan was convicted before this (2012 change). So in answer, Labour law by Blunkett I think, Tory had to follow till they changed it. And add in the EU Supreme Court order to comply with it. "You have completely the wrong end of the stick as to how IPPs work. | |||
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"This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of his 16 years sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals.. Problem sorted. I completely agree this guy should not have been released, although I say that not knowing the full facts of his release. But to let a suspected terrorist out on good behaviour just doesn't make sense. Totally agree. Who are these decision makers that allow a convicted terrorist to be released after 8 years instead of his full sentence? He was given an IPP (imprisonment for public protection) and released six years later without parole board assessment because legislation brought in by the labour government of 2008 meant that he had to be automatically released after half of the jail term. The conservatives changed that law in 2012 to end the automatic release policy but khan was convicted before this (2012 change). So in answer, Labour law by Blunkett I think, Tory had to follow till they changed it. And add in the EU Supreme Court order to comply with it.
The trouble with quoting Priti Patel's tweets and engaging in her grotesque blame game is that she's wrong and has already been challenged on the claims.
He was convicted under an IPP, a sentence that labour introduced in 2003 and allowed for the convicted to be detained until such time they were deemed no longer a risk
In 2012 the conservative government abolished them.
And there were other sentencing options available other than a sentence where he would be relased midterm had the judge so chosen.
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" Also it's emerged one of the have a go hero's is a convicted murderer out on day release, killed a young girl with learning difficulties. Certainly prompts a number of questions. He has done his recommended 15 years and was on day release from pen prison which seems a normal thing to happen On another note having googled that to see it took me to a DM page which had a video taken from a different angle with the first couple of men who were trying to stop him, one with a fire extinguisher, there were some quick thinking and brave people about yesterday "Yes, there were alot of brave people yesterday | |||
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"This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of his 16 years sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals.. Problem sorted. I completely agree this guy should not have been released, although I say that not knowing the full facts of his release. But to let a suspected terrorist out on good behaviour just doesn't make sense. Totally agree. Who are these decision makers that allow a convicted terrorist to be released after 8 years instead of his full sentence? He was given an IPP (imprisonment for public protection) and released six years later without parole board assessment because legislation brought in by the labour government of 2008 meant that he had to be automatically released after half of the jail term. The conservatives changed that law in 2012 to end the automatic release policy but khan was convicted before this (2012 change). So in answer, Labour law by Blunkett I think, Tory had to follow till they changed it. And add in the EU Supreme Court order to comply with it.
The trouble with quoting Priti Patel's tweets and engaging in her grotesque blame game is that she's wrong and has already been challenged on the claims.
He was convicted under an IPP, a sentence that labour introduced in 2003 and allowed for the convicted to be detained until such time they were deemed no longer a risk
In 2012 the conservative government abolished them.
And there were other sentencing options available other than a sentence where he would be relased midterm had the judge so chosen.
So having not read Priti Patel's quote, I will have to take your word for it.
However, something tell's me it was in response to Labour?
"No she thought that as home secretary the appropriate thing to do barely an hour after the first victim had been named and his family had paid tribute to him was to tweet the labour party and blame them. Like I said it's a grotesque blame game she's initiated. Bizarre that being unaware of her tweets you had exactly the same understanding though... | |||
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"Convicted terrorist who was given an indeterminate sentence. . That was changed on appeal. Sentence was then set at 16 years. This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of this sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals just a rope and a long drop. Problem sorted. So you would execute someone who hasn’t actually killed anyone, but found guilty of plotting to do so ? " Maybe I should have put it clearer, . . On conviction of a terrorist act which kills, and there is no doubt of guilt then capital punishment should follow. . No appeals, sentence carried out the following morning. | |||
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"Convicted terrorist who was given an indeterminate sentence. . That was changed on appeal. Sentence was then set at 16 years. This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of this sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals just a rope and a long drop. Problem sorted. So you would execute someone who hasn’t actually killed anyone, but found guilty of plotting to do so ? Maybe I should have put it clearer, . . On conviction of a terrorist act which kills, and there is no doubt of guilt then capital punishment should follow. . No appeals, sentence carried out the following morning. " Unfortunately that will just appeal to martyrdom! | |||
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"Convicted terrorist who was given an indeterminate sentence. . That was changed on appeal. Sentence was then set at 16 years. This convicted terrorist was released last year after serving only half of this sentence. . Now he's killed two people with a blade on London Bridge. Let's stop this now. . No more tinkering around. . On conviction of terrorism with no doubt of guilt hang them. . Bring back capital punishment. . No appeals just a rope and a long drop. Problem sorted. So you would execute someone who hasn’t actually killed anyone, but found guilty of plotting to do so ? Maybe I should have put it clearer, . . On conviction of a terrorist act which kills, and there is no doubt of guilt then capital punishment should follow. . No appeals, sentence carried out the following morning. " That is clearer but wouldn’t have related to this individual as per your first post. I’m not one for capital punishment, too many mistakes have been made for me. The justice you are asking for they are doing themselves, they have no intention of getting caught and questioned, hence the fake vests. | |||
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