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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll stick with my Blue HDI.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Probably. As are the main car companies. They are having to invest billions from the fear of being left behind. This will cause the price of internal combustion cars to rise.

Motoring will once again become only for the wealthy.

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By *hromosexualsCouple
over a year ago

Near Abercynon

It will be better for cities, CO2 is bad for the environment but NOX is bad for people who breathe it in and that’s the problem with Diesel engines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite possibly, there's certainly more to it than meets the eye. A bit like the claim that it's more ecologically sound to keep an old car on the road than it is to build and run a new one.

Of course they're going to say that, the collapse of the automotive industry would be catastrophic.

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Of course we are

Just because the pollution comes out at a coal fired power station 200 miles from your home does not mean that you are not producing any pollution

Besides, I thought the National Grid was already pretty much at capacity. Thousands of electric cars isn't going to help, is it?

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again? "

Probably.

But it's 'green' CO2 isn't it, so everything is fine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really do wonder why people still read newspapers...

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"I really do wonder why people still read newspapers..."

Yup, when there's so many experts on Fab.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The carbon neutral footprint by 2050 also bothers me.. just because the shadow of our footprint is produced in China does not mean it's not ours. So if we get all of our electricity is produced in France to power our cars then we would be so clean wouldn't we ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really do wonder why people still read newspapers...

Yup, when there's so many experts on Fab. "

I don't think fab experts could be any worse, unless they themselves have read the articles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again? "

The electric vehicle is worse for our planet full stop. It takes more energy and rare metals to produce..... its expected life span is shorter due to the battery technology and then the end of life is far worse as it cannot just be scrapped it has to shipped around the world to be taken apart and then the rare metals and elements are disposed of in a not very kind way.

I won’t buy one.

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By *r AmbassadorMan
over a year ago

Dublin

Unless you live in Iceland for example ( ie green renewable energy) you are only being fooled by buying an electric car,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hydrogen cell cars are the only future....this electric phase will pass in next 10 years and all will go hydrogen....actually fix the planet the more we drive...

Takes 10000 years for the battery to decompose on your EV...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hydrogen cell cars are the only future....this electric phase will pass in next 10 years and all will go hydrogen....actually fix the planet the more we drive...

Takes 10000 years for the battery to decompose on your EV...

"

Maybe but it still requires huge amounts of electricity to produce hydrogen.

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By *good-being-badMan
over a year ago

mis-types and auto corrects leads cock leeds

You can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of thepeople some of the time, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Like most 'eco' friendly projects they make folk think they're doing the right thing.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again? "

Surely this depends on the method for generating the electricity. There were a few days last summer where more than half of all power generated was done so by solar or wind.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Along with the point that they never tell you when you buy one.

They have virtually zero resale value after they are 6 years old.

How is that good for the environment then?

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By *hechapMan
over a year ago

Derry

Can you name a time where we are not been conned and lied to..

The whole climate change / save the planet agenda is nothing but a conn.

There is no man as blind as the man with 2 good eyes yet he cannot see.

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By *ork fellaMan
over a year ago

Macroom

I will be sticking with my diesel car for as long as is possible. Electric cars are far more damaging long term and far dearer to buy for those who don't have the money to spend

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental


"I really do wonder why people still read newspapers...

Yup, when there's so many experts on Fab. "

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

I was rather amused at the latest Tesla offering. The cyber truck!

Looks like the designers were raiding the bins from the 70s and 80s. Someone on the team had a serious fan boy thing for Logans run, Total recall or Demolition man.

A pick up truck with the entry level only two wheel drive, rear wheel at that! The trouble with living in the country or at worst wilderness, is a pick up is a utility all terrain vehicle, it does a job for a living, 4wd is a must. Charging points are hard to find out in the sticks. I prefer a vehicle I can use and work with twenty four hours a day, without the hassle of an overnight charge.

But then if you have a spare 40 grand for the entry level, crack on, it's a nice dust collector for the corner of your car collection. I would imagine Arnie has an order in already.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


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Surely this depends on the method for generating the electricity. There were a few days last summer where more than half of all power generated was done so by solar or wind."

I read this but apparantly it was when all of our nuclear and some of our fossil fuel plants were closed for maintenance.. another con

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester


"Can you name a time where we are not been conned and lied to..

The whole climate change / save the planet agenda is nothing but a conn.

There is no man as blind as the man with 2 good eyes yet he cannot see.

"

Had anyone heard of the so called "Carbon footprint" before some spin doctor invented it as another way to generate tax revenue.

How gullible are some people

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot


"The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again?

Surely this depends on the method for generating the electricity. There were a few days last summer where more than half of all power generated was done so by solar or wind."

The trouble with upping our reliance on solar/wind generation is that it can't be relied on to fully support the grid and the demands on it.

There are "flat spots" in the grid because solar/wind Can't keep the supply consistent.

This is why so many battery "stations" are being set up to store power and reintroduce it back into the grid.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire


"The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again? "

I said this 2 yrs ago

I was totally knocked back for my views then in the forums.

These questions you need to answer or st least think about..

1) we sometimes have to import electricity from Russia, so given that we are all supposed to be going electric, where is the extra energy needed to power these millions of vehicles

My guess it’s nuclear electricity

2) look into lithium mining it’s very harsh on its employees and the environment

3) what’s the average distance these cars travel without needing a charge?

150 miles??

4) how long do lithium batteries last before you need to replace them?

5) why isn’t more research been developed on batteries themselves ( see guardian and linked in report about 6 weeks ago about the father of 7 invented a better battery)

8 hydrogen fuel cells are more efficient and much better for the environment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regardless of the pollution they cause, with fossil fuels running out, we need some other way of keeping us moving.

With advances in technology, renewal electricity is on the horizon. The technology of electric cars will need to be there to meet it

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Regardless of the pollution they cause, with fossil fuels running out, we need some other way of keeping us moving.

With advances in technology, renewal electricity is on the horizon. The technology of electric cars will need to be there to meet it"

Back to the horse and cart then.

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By *AABMan
over a year ago

Not far

No OP. What some electric vehicle hating press conveniently fail to recognise is the so called ‘Well to Wheel’ CO2 emissions. The cost to the climate in terms of emissions for extracting crude oil, transporting it by ship, and then refining it into something useful like diesel is huge. Oil refineries consume mind boggling levels of electricity which often comes from coal.

With regards to battery life, Nissan Leafs have been running for 10 years and are still giving acceptable range. Nobody in the automotive industry yet knows how long a battery can last. Lithium ion batteries can also be recycled but as I understand it the processes to extract the metals still needs a lot of work.

A petrol or Diesel engine vehicle is hugely complex and needs constant servicing. Battery vehicles are incredibly simple in comparison and there really isn’t any servicing required or much to go wrong. Parts count is a fraction of that of a conventional car so much less energy is required to manufacture and ship the parts.

Battery technology is improving at a very fast rate. I don’t want to buy another petrol or diesel ever again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again?

I said this 2 yrs ago

I was totally knocked back for my views then in the forums.

These questions you need to answer or st least think about..

1) we sometimes have to import electricity from Russia, so given that we are all supposed to be going electric, where is the extra energy needed to power these millions of vehicles

My guess it’s nuclear electricity

2) look into lithium mining it’s very harsh on its employees and the environment

3) what’s the average distance these cars travel without needing a charge?

150 miles??

4) how long do lithium batteries last before you need to replace them?

5) why isn’t more research been developed on batteries themselves ( see guardian and linked in report about 6 weeks ago about the father of 7 invented a better battery)

8 hydrogen fuel cells are more efficient and much better for the environment "

Tesla model 3 has an average mile range of 250-350 miles.

The new cybertruck will have a range of 250-500 miles.

I think your info might be stuck in 2005.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again? "

Did I hear right that the material required for batteries is cobalt & to get that they have to dig up the ocean for that material , if so how is that environmentally friendly? (Confused face )

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental


"The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again?

I said this 2 yrs ago

I was totally knocked back for my views then in the forums.

These questions you need to answer or st least think about..

1) we sometimes have to import electricity from Russia, so given that we are all supposed to be going electric, where is the extra energy needed to power these millions of vehicles

My guess it’s nuclear electricity

2) look into lithium mining it’s very harsh on its employees and the environment

3) what’s the average distance these cars travel without needing a charge?

150 miles??

4) how long do lithium batteries last before you need to replace them?

5) why isn’t more research been developed on batteries themselves ( see guardian and linked in report about 6 weeks ago about the father of 7 invented a better battery)

8 hydrogen fuel cells are more efficient and much better for the environment

Tesla model 3 has an average mile range of 250-350 miles.

The new cybertruck will have a range of 250-500 miles.

I think your info might be stuck in 2005."

The cyber truck is little more than a rich kids toy. I question its suitability as a utility vehicle and the practical requirements that the user demands of it. I am not talking about driving to the sea with your electric jet ski here or picking up the kids in Chelsea. I'm talking about rugged off roading, doing a job, working in the wilderness where there are no electric points and your power is a generator or off grid means, where you don't have the luxury of an overnight charge. The vehicle works for a living, it has to perform, your life might relie on it.

I'm pretty sure that everyone is not too happy with the mining for the components in the batteries either, but that never bothers billionaires who like to tinker and invent new toys. I'm talking cobalt, the severe health implications, a rare resource and dodgy mining practices in the Congo. It's a component in all lithium ion technology. We can't escape it, it's in everything technical with a lithium battery including your mobile phone.

I don't see many folk having a meltdown over cobalt now. Coal, oil however is the nasty on the block. Personally I would like to see the water, hydrogen technology developed that works, but has been hidden away or the technology bought up by the multi conglomerates.

Incidently I drive an Isuzu D max, has a neat system all the diesel particles are burnt off in a secondary process, returning any residue into the sump, sump oil is recycled. My last two mot's have returned 0.00 emissions on the smoke opacity analysis.

I would rather have a couple of drums of diesel in my store than fanny about with an overnight charge!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again?

I said this 2 yrs ago

I was totally knocked back for my views then in the forums.

These questions you need to answer or st least think about..

1) we sometimes have to import electricity from Russia, so given that we are all supposed to be going electric, where is the extra energy needed to power these millions of vehicles

My guess it’s nuclear electricity

2) look into lithium mining it’s very harsh on its employees and the environment

3) what’s the average distance these cars travel without needing a charge?

150 miles??

4) how long do lithium batteries last before you need to replace them?

5) why isn’t more research been developed on batteries themselves ( see guardian and linked in report about 6 weeks ago about the father of 7 invented a better battery)

8 hydrogen fuel cells are more efficient and much better for the environment

Tesla model 3 has an average mile range of 250-350 miles.

The new cybertruck will have a range of 250-500 miles.

I think your info might be stuck in 2005.

The cyber truck is little more than a rich kids toy. I question its suitability as a utility vehicle and the practical requirements that the user demands of it. I am not talking about driving to the sea with your electric jet ski here or picking up the kids in Chelsea. I'm talking about rugged off roading, doing a job, working in the wilderness where there are no electric points and your power is a generator or off grid means, where you don't have the luxury of an overnight charge. The vehicle works for a living, it has to perform, your life might relie on it.

I'm pretty sure that everyone is not too happy with the mining for the components in the batteries either, but that never bothers billionaires who like to tinker and invent new toys. I'm talking cobalt, the severe health implications, a rare resource and dodgy mining practices in the Congo. It's a component in all lithium ion technology. We can't escape it, it's in everything technical with a lithium battery including your mobile phone.

I don't see many folk having a meltdown over cobalt now. Coal, oil however is the nasty on the block. Personally I would like to see the water, hydrogen technology developed that works, but has been hidden away or the technology bought up by the multi conglomerates.

Incidently I drive an Isuzu D max, has a neat system all the diesel particles are burnt off in a secondary process, returning any residue into the sump, sump oil is recycled. My last two mot's have returned 0.00 emissions on the smoke opacity analysis.

I would rather have a couple of drums of diesel in my store than fanny about with an overnight charge!

"

Higher clearance than any truck on the market

Built in air compressor, 220 and 110V outlets

Adjustable ride height for easier bed loading

Much tougher windows and frame

It's electric so it also doesn't drown like a combustion engine when submerged in water

500 mile range

X2 the towing power of F150

More torque

Car batteries last about 8 years now, the truck won't come out until 2021-22 where there plenty of time for even more improvement.

To say that cybertruck isn't practical for a general contractor is simply idiotic.

If you can install a Tesla charger at home it's a no brainer to own an electric vehicle.

This truck is mainly marketed for North American consumers, and I can assure you that they do have the space for a Tesla charger at home.

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By *hechapMan
over a year ago

Derry


"No OP. What some electric vehicle hating press conveniently fail to recognise is the so called ‘Well to Wheel’ CO2 emissions. The cost to the climate in terms of emissions for extracting crude oil, transporting it by ship, and then refining it into something useful like diesel is huge. Oil refineries consume mind boggling levels of electricity which often comes from coal.

With regards to battery life, Nissan Leafs have been running for 10 years and are still giving acceptable range. Nobody in the automotive industry yet knows how long a battery can last. Lithium ion batteries can also be recycled but as I understand it the processes to extract the metals still needs a lot of work.

A petrol or Diesel engine vehicle is hugely complex and needs constant servicing. Battery vehicles are incredibly simple in comparison and there really isn’t any servicing required or much to go wrong. Parts count is a fraction of that of a conventional car so much less energy is required to manufacture and ship the parts.

Battery technology is improving at a very fast rate. I don’t want to buy another petrol or diesel ever again."

Where did you get your information??

Alot of people will be in for a shock (pun intended) if they buy an electric car thinking it dosent need serviced and there isnt much to go wrong...

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

It's electric so it also doesn't drown like a combustion engine when submerged in water

Really, if water gets into the battery compartment there would be more than just a bang and it will most definitely not be a cheap fix!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's electric so it also doesn't drown like a combustion engine when submerged in water

Really, if water gets into the battery compartment there would be more than just a bang and it will most definitely not be a cheap fix! "

Yeah, if only the batteries were sealed...oh wait they are...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not really a con. I miss my bmw i3... fugly but brilliant.

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

The electric car has been brought about politically as a quick fix to rid ourselves on relying on buying oil from the unstable nations that have plenty of it.

Give it another 10 years and then we will all be fucked again lol diesels show you this can happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really do wonder why people still read newspapers...

Yup, when there's so many experts on Fab. "
lol hey ask me anything

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So could it be a political solution to end our dependance on the gulf states ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Hydrogen cell cars are the only future....this electric phase will pass in next 10 years and all will go hydrogen....actually fix the planet the more we drive...

Takes 10000 years for the battery to decompose on your EV...

"

What fuel are you using to make the electricity to crack water into hydrogen?

Then you must realise hydrogen cells are batteries and thech chemical reaction makes electrons flow to power an electric motor

In one respect the media portrayal of ev is a con grossly inaccurate misrepresentation bastardization of good science

The planet can produce enough natural energy the problem is the wild mismatch from supply curves and demand curves

The problem has been storing and transporting

Or battery composition capacity and weight

Hydrogen cells in my opinion are a valid one form of battery

The electrolyte (hydrogen) has a fair (not brilliant) energy density and is even if hazardous and technical it can be transported simply

Carbon nano tubes are the current energy density leader but they are expensive and complex .give us time

Thus a movement toward electric motor v is positive and needed city health will benefit immediately and world pollution eventually

However I'm an advocate of slower and more steady adaption I think the misrepresentation of ev being something we all must do quickly silver bullet is going to cause problems that in turn be misunderstood and mis represented

But let's be clear (free)hydrogen that can be used directly as a fuel is rare on earth something to do with gasses and density x

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By *actilemale4uMan
over a year ago

London

Remember the diesel con a few years back. The main source of co2 is building car not the driving

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I blame Gordon the Prudent Twat Chancellor

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By *AABMan
over a year ago

Not far


"No OP. What some electric vehicle hating press conveniently fail to recognise is the so called ‘Well to Wheel’ CO2 emissions. The cost to the climate in terms of emissions for extracting crude oil, transporting it by ship, and then refining it into something useful like diesel is huge. Oil refineries consume mind boggling levels of electricity which often comes from coal.

With regards to battery life, Nissan Leafs have been running for 10 years and are still giving acceptable range. Nobody in the automotive industry yet knows how long a battery can last. Lithium ion batteries can also be recycled but as I understand it the processes to extract the metals still needs a lot of work.

A petrol or Diesel engine vehicle is hugely complex and needs constant servicing. Battery vehicles are incredibly simple in comparison and there really isn’t any servicing required or much to go wrong. Parts count is a fraction of that of a conventional car so much less energy is required to manufacture and ship the parts.

Battery technology is improving at a very fast rate. I don’t want to buy another petrol or diesel ever again.

Where did you get your information??

Alot of people will be in for a shock (pun intended) if they buy an electric car thinking it dosent need serviced and there isnt much to go wrong...

"

I work for an electric vehicle manufacturer in research and development.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"No OP. What some electric vehicle hating press conveniently fail to recognise is the so called ‘Well to Wheel’ CO2 emissions. The cost to the climate in terms of emissions for extracting crude oil, transporting it by ship, and then refining it into something useful like diesel is huge. Oil refineries consume mind boggling levels of electricity which often comes from coal.

With regards to battery life, Nissan Leafs have been running for 10 years and are still giving acceptable range. Nobody in the automotive industry yet knows how long a battery can last. Lithium ion batteries can also be recycled but as I understand it the processes to extract the metals still needs a lot of work.

A petrol or Diesel engine vehicle is hugely complex and needs constant servicing. Battery vehicles are incredibly simple in comparison and there really isn’t any servicing required or much to go wrong. Parts count is a fraction of that of a conventional car so much less energy is required to manufacture and ship the parts.

Battery technology is improving at a very fast rate. I don’t want to buy another petrol or diesel ever again.

Where did you get your information??

Alot of people will be in for a shock (pun intended) if they buy an electric car thinking it dosent need serviced and there isnt much to go wrong...

I work for an electric vehicle manufacturer in research and development."

In what capacity if you excuse the pun

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By *hechapMan
over a year ago

Derry


"No OP. What some electric vehicle hating press conveniently fail to recognise is the so called ‘Well to Wheel’ CO2 emissions. The cost to the climate in terms of emissions for extracting crude oil, transporting it by ship, and then refining it into something useful like diesel is huge. Oil refineries consume mind boggling levels of electricity which often comes from coal.

With regards to battery life, Nissan Leafs have been running for 10 years and are still giving acceptable range. Nobody in the automotive industry yet knows how long a battery can last. Lithium ion batteries can also be recycled but as I understand it the processes to extract the metals still needs a lot of work.

A petrol or Diesel engine vehicle is hugely complex and needs constant servicing. Battery vehicles are incredibly simple in comparison and there really isn’t any servicing required or much to go wrong. Parts count is a fraction of that of a conventional car so much less energy is required to manufacture and ship the parts.

Battery technology is improving at a very fast rate. I don’t want to buy another petrol or diesel ever again.

Where did you get your information??

Alot of people will be in for a shock (pun intended) if they buy an electric car thinking it dosent need serviced and there isnt much to go wrong...

I work for an electric vehicle manufacturer in research and development."

I dont know what you were researching but it was'nt electric cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn’t say it’s a con. It’s relatively new technology and we have a lot to learn

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

One thing to learn is that government will tax it

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By *inn_the_humanMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"No OP. What some electric vehicle hating press conveniently fail to recognise is the so called ‘Well to Wheel’ CO2 emissions. The cost to the climate in terms of emissions for extracting crude oil, transporting it by ship, and then refining it into something useful like diesel is huge. Oil refineries consume mind boggling levels of electricity which often comes from coal.

With regards to battery life, Nissan Leafs have been running for 10 years and are still giving acceptable range. Nobody in the automotive industry yet knows how long a battery can last. Lithium ion batteries can also be recycled but as I understand it the processes to extract the metals still needs a lot of work.

A petrol or Diesel engine vehicle is hugely complex and needs constant servicing. Battery vehicles are incredibly simple in comparison and there really isn’t any servicing required or much to go wrong. Parts count is a fraction of that of a conventional car so much less energy is required to manufacture and ship the parts.

Battery technology is improving at a very fast rate. I don’t want to buy another petrol or diesel ever again.

Where did you get your information??

Alot of people will be in for a shock (pun intended) if they buy an electric car thinking it dosent need serviced and there isnt much to go wrong...

I work for an electric vehicle manufacturer in research and development."

This is wonderful.

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By *inn_the_humanMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

One other point though - I've had to adopt a hybrid not though choice but through work changing their fleet.

Do I know if its more environmentally sound? I've no clue.

Does it save me a substantial amount of money on fuel? Absolutely.

Ps - before anyone mentions it, average quarterly increase in home electric bill is 30 quid. Substantially offset by petrol savings.

Not advocating for them one way or the other, just stating practical experience, and pointing out that pure environmental issues are only one decision point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really do wonder why people still read newspapers..."

Where do you get your news?

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester


"One other point though - I've had to adopt a hybrid not though choice but through work changing their fleet.

Do I know if its more environmentally sound? I've no clue.

Does it save me a substantial amount of money on fuel? Absolutely.

Ps - before anyone mentions it, average quarterly increase in home electric bill is 30 quid. Substantially offset by petrol savings.

Not advocating for them one way or the other, just stating practical experience, and pointing out that pure environmental issues are only one decision point. "

They estimate it costs £5.16 to do a full charge to the average electric car.

Times that by 30 charges a month then 12 months and it's not cheap at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One other point though - I've had to adopt a hybrid not though choice but through work changing their fleet.

Do I know if its more environmentally sound? I've no clue.

Does it save me a substantial amount of money on fuel? Absolutely.

Ps - before anyone mentions it, average quarterly increase in home electric bill is 30 quid. Substantially offset by petrol savings.

Not advocating for them one way or the other, just stating practical experience, and pointing out that pure environmental issues are only one decision point.

They estimate it costs £5.16 to do a full charge to the average electric car.

Times that by 30 charges a month then 12 months and it's not cheap at all."

360 miles for £5.16 doesn't sound bad.

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By *hechapMan
over a year ago

Derry


"I wouldn’t say it’s a con. It’s relatively new technology and we have a lot to learn "

Electric vehicles are not new technology.

They have been in use for probably over 50 years.

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By *inn_the_humanMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"One other point though - I've had to adopt a hybrid not though choice but through work changing their fleet.

Do I know if its more environmentally sound? I've no clue.

Does it save me a substantial amount of money on fuel? Absolutely.

Ps - before anyone mentions it, average quarterly increase in home electric bill is 30 quid. Substantially offset by petrol savings.

Not advocating for them one way or the other, just stating practical experience, and pointing out that pure environmental issues are only one decision point.

They estimate it costs £5.16 to do a full charge to the average electric car.

Times that by 30 charges a month then 12 months and it's not cheap at all."

I'm charging it more than 6 times a quarter. I can absolutely assure you that it doesn't cost 5.16 for a hybrid. Maybe a full electric if the battery has a larger capacity, but then you don't have any fuel cost.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester


"One other point though - I've had to adopt a hybrid not though choice but through work changing their fleet.

Do I know if its more environmentally sound? I've no clue.

Does it save me a substantial amount of money on fuel? Absolutely.

Ps - before anyone mentions it, average quarterly increase in home electric bill is 30 quid. Substantially offset by petrol savings.

Not advocating for them one way or the other, just stating practical experience, and pointing out that pure environmental issues are only one decision point.

They estimate it costs £5.16 to do a full charge to the average electric car.

Times that by 30 charges a month then 12 months and it's not cheap at all.

360 miles for £5.16 doesn't sound bad."

The average electric car does approx 120 - 150 on a full charge.

Tesla are currently fighting a huge court case in the U.S for burning down 6 Wal mart stores with their charging walls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One other point though - I've had to adopt a hybrid not though choice but through work changing their fleet.

Do I know if its more environmentally sound? I've no clue.

Does it save me a substantial amount of money on fuel? Absolutely.

Ps - before anyone mentions it, average quarterly increase in home electric bill is 30 quid. Substantially offset by petrol savings.

Not advocating for them one way or the other, just stating practical experience, and pointing out that pure environmental issues are only one decision point.

They estimate it costs £5.16 to do a full charge to the average electric car.

Times that by 30 charges a month then 12 months and it's not cheap at all.

360 miles for £5.16 doesn't sound bad.

The average electric car does approx 120 - 150 on a full charge.

Tesla are currently fighting a huge court case in the U.S for burning down 6 Wal mart stores with their charging walls."

You sound like an oil company executive slowly losing his value in shares.

Like it or not, EVs are going to kill IECs very soon

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"The Guardian have run an article saying that an Electric Vehicle (EV) produces marginally more C02 than a diesel engine. It's just produced at the point of electrical generation.

Are we being conned once again? "

I think the study that this is probably linked to looks at the full life cycle of both types of car upto the point of the first set of batteries needing to be replaced and disposed of. When you consider that time span then EV is not that great. It's not that long ago we were being sold small diesels with dog's etc. For city driving. They were vehicle excise duty free.

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