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"Do you mean like drawing a line under crap that happened and moving on?" No, I mean like atoning and making up for what bad things you might have have done. | |||
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"Personally I think a redemptive anything is a self serving action regardless if it includes the injured party or not. It’s not about making amends to the person you hurt but rather reducing guilt... cynical view it may be but that’s how I see it. " I do agree with you, asking for forgiveness is asking more of the wronged party. | |||
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"Do you mean like drawing a line under crap that happened and moving on? No, I mean like atoning and making up for what bad things you might have have done. " Won't that depend on what the other person demands? | |||
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"Do you mean like drawing a line under crap that happened and moving on? No, I mean like atoning and making up for what bad things you might have have done. Won't that depend on what the other person demands?" Is that what your idea of a remptive act is based on? | |||
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"I realised I had acted like a bit of an arse (hard to believe, I know) I made amends, and now share a good friendship (a chalk & cheese friendship) with somebody I genuinely care about..." xx | |||
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"If the other party aren't seeking acknowledgement, or won't benefit from my admittance.. then I dont feel the need to seek it. There are things that have/do sit on my mind that I would like the chance to apologise for. Like you say OP, it's more for me than it is them and would probably do more harm than heal. I'm the sort of person who tends to admit I'm wrong (if I truly believe I am) or have had a hand in some sort of failure/mistake/misbehaviour. Well.. I am now." I'm generally the same. | |||
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"If I'm wrong I'll admit it. If however I've been wronged I find it hard to forgive although I would try to xx" Do you need someone to admit they were in the wrong before you're prepared to forgive? I think I do. | |||
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"Personally I think a redemptive anything is a self serving action regardless if it includes the injured party or not. It’s not about making amends to the person you hurt but rather reducing guilt... cynical view it may be but that’s how I see it. I do agree with you, asking for forgiveness is asking more of the wronged party. " I agree but only partially. Yes trying to make amends is generally a self serving gesture, however as a wronged party sometimes holding on to a grudge and not giving forgiveness can be a dangerous thing that does yourself (as the wronged party) no favours and can stop closure in some cases. By the other trying to make amends it gives the wronged party a bit more of a motivation to try and forgive. | |||
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"Personally I think a redemptive anything is a self serving action regardless if it includes the injured party or not. It’s not about making amends to the person you hurt but rather reducing guilt... cynical view it may be but that’s how I see it. I do agree with you, asking for forgiveness is asking more of the wronged party. I agree but only partially. Yes trying to make amends is generally a self serving gesture, however as a wronged party sometimes holding on to a grudge and not giving forgiveness can be a dangerous thing that does yourself (as the wronged party) no favours and can stop closure in some cases. By the other trying to make amends it gives the wronged party a bit more of a motivation to try and forgive. " We don’t get to choose what happens to us in life, but how you react is a choice. So if the wronged party choose not to forgive and forget then that is on them. We can all just take responsibility for our own actions not those of others. | |||
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"Personally I think a redemptive anything is a self serving action regardless if it includes the injured party or not. It’s not about making amends to the person you hurt but rather reducing guilt... cynical view it may be but that’s how I see it. I do agree with you, asking for forgiveness is asking more of the wronged party. I agree but only partially. Yes trying to make amends is generally a self serving gesture, however as a wronged party sometimes holding on to a grudge and not giving forgiveness can be a dangerous thing that does yourself (as the wronged party) no favours and can stop closure in some cases. By the other trying to make amends it gives the wronged party a bit more of a motivation to try and forgive. We don’t get to choose what happens to us in life, but how you react is a choice. So if the wronged party choose not to forgive and forget then that is on them. We can all just take responsibility for our own actions not those of others. " Yes but sometimes without that gesture of trying to make amends from them you never move toward the path of giving forgiveness. Until that gesture is offered it may even be impossible to let go of the grudge/pain/anger. Giving forgiveness can be a release of a lot of unhealthy emotions and frustrations that should not always be held on to, causing stress and other darkness (so to speak) to take hold. Forgiving is not the same as forgetting it ever happened. With that said somethings can never be forgiven by everyone. We each have our own limits and boundaries to what can be forgiven. | |||
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"Personally I think a redemptive anything is a self serving action regardless if it includes the injured party or not. It’s not about making amends to the person you hurt but rather reducing guilt... cynical view it may be but that’s how I see it. I do agree with you, asking for forgiveness is asking more of the wronged party. I agree but only partially. Yes trying to make amends is generally a self serving gesture, however as a wronged party sometimes holding on to a grudge and not giving forgiveness can be a dangerous thing that does yourself (as the wronged party) no favours and can stop closure in some cases. By the other trying to make amends it gives the wronged party a bit more of a motivation to try and forgive. We don’t get to choose what happens to us in life, but how you react is a choice. So if the wronged party choose not to forgive and forget then that is on them. We can all just take responsibility for our own actions not those of others. Yes but sometimes without that gesture of trying to make amends from them you never move toward the path of giving forgiveness. Until that gesture is offered it may even be impossible to let go of the grudge/pain/anger. Giving forgiveness can be a release of a lot of unhealthy emotions and frustrations that should not always be held on to, causing stress and other darkness (so to speak) to take hold. Forgiving is not the same as forgetting it ever happened. With that said somethings can never be forgiven by everyone. We each have our own limits and boundaries to what can be forgiven." I agree with what you are saying. For me it will come down to what was done and if I actually believe the person’s remorse. People say a lot of things they don’t mean and therefore I would work through it take my lessons learnt and forgive because that what I need for my well being. That said I wouldn’t forget and chances are that person will be gone from my life. | |||
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"Do you mean like drawing a line under crap that happened and moving on? No, I mean like atoning and making up for what bad things you might have have done. Won't that depend on what the other person demands? Is that what your idea of a remptive act is based on? " Yes their opinion matters. I could do many things to try to make things better, but if they don't agree it's all pointless. | |||
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"If I'm wrong I'll admit it. If however I've been wronged I find it hard to forgive although I would try to xx Do you need someone to admit they were in the wrong before you're prepared to forgive? I think I do." Actually GK yes, I think I do. That's a huge flaw I have, my mum told me that I should stop expecting others to have the same heart I do. That stuck with me but yet I really struggle when people dont you know? Xx | |||
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"If I'm wrong I'll admit it. If however I've been wronged I find it hard to forgive although I would try to xx Do you need someone to admit they were in the wrong before you're prepared to forgive? I think I do. Actually GK yes, I think I do. That's a huge flaw I have, my mum told me that I should stop expecting others to have the same heart I do. That stuck with me but yet I really struggle when people dont you know? Xx" I know. I don't think of it as a flaw. I'm stubborn. | |||
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"If I'm wrong I'll admit it. If however I've been wronged I find it hard to forgive although I would try to xx Do you need someone to admit they were in the wrong before you're prepared to forgive? I think I do. Actually GK yes, I think I do. That's a huge flaw I have, my mum told me that I should stop expecting others to have the same heart I do. That stuck with me but yet I really struggle when people dont you know? Xx I know. I don't think of it as a flaw. I'm stubborn." | |||
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"I'm not sure I can ever redeem myself for some things I have done. The acts towards those people probably mean that I was forgiven but I have not forgotten so I don't count it as redemption. We can all practice forgiveness but the forgetting part is just as important but much, much harder to do. I try to pay it forward wherever possible. Where I have not done enough to redeem myself with someone I *try* to be kinder to someone else. Yes, it's selfish. Yes, I'm a bit tortured at the moment. " I think you're lovely. A really strong caring soul | |||
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"If I'm wrong I'm always happy to hold my hands up, apologise when possible and try to make it right. However when others treat me badly I may forgive but I never forget. There are no second chances once the trust has gone. It's a shame more people dont have a little more depth to them. " I’d write pretty much the same. Once I’ve been wronged I walk away - end of. I’m more than willing to talk, heal the wound and apologise if it’s someone I genuinely like or care about. | |||
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"If I'm wrong I'll admit it. If however I've been wronged I find it hard to forgive although I would try to xx Do you need someone to admit they were in the wrong before you're prepared to forgive? I think I do. Actually GK yes, I think I do. That's a huge flaw I have, my mum told me that I should stop expecting others to have the same heart I do. That stuck with me but yet I really struggle when people dont you know? Xx I know. I don't think of it as a flaw. I'm stubborn." Yeah, you are probably right I'm stubborn too I suppose xx | |||
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"I'm not sure I can ever redeem myself for some things I have done. The acts towards those people probably mean that I was forgiven but I have not forgotten so I don't count it as redemption. We can all practice forgiveness but the forgetting part is just as important but much, much harder to do. I try to pay it forward wherever possible. Where I have not done enough to redeem myself with someone I *try* to be kinder to someone else. Yes, it's selfish. Yes, I'm a bit tortured at the moment. I think you're lovely. A really strong caring soul " I think she is too. Hope you know it (deep down?) Lickety x | |||
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