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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase" I'm sure it will have to in some way. As long as productivity is the same for the company and worker then it's a win/win. I read somewhere that Labour are using economists to look into the validity of a 3 day week  | |||
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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase I'm sure it will have to in some way. As long as productivity is the same for the company and worker then it's a win/win. I read somewhere that Labour are using economists to look into the validity of a 3 day week "They've also engaged a "Think Tank" to find ways to protect the environment, which can only be a good thing. So far their best idea is a 10 hour working week and a 75% salary cut. Unfortunately they have yet to come up with a plan to help the millions of people will be homeless and starving as a result. Not forgetting of course we'll be the only country in the world implementing this insanity, so it'll make fuck all difference. "Think Tank" my arse.... | |||
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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase" I think the premise is that you are paid the same as a 5 day working week. No financial detriment. | |||
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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase I think the premise is that you are paid the same as a 5 day working week. No financial detriment. " Who pays for the extra days leave? | |||
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Also, I only have to take 4 days off/leave to make a 10 day break.. | |||
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"I used to love working 4 on 4 off 12 hr shifts on nights, especially as we used to get an extra £50 for a Saturday and £60 for a Sunday "Done that too, but didn't get the extra dosh. I didn't mind, 4 days off=12 day break.. | |||
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"I've been doing it for the past 4 years. I like 3 day weekends..
Also, I only have to take 4 days off/leave to make a 10 day break.."I have to agree. Whenever I've happened to take Friday off I feel way less stressed and happier. 2 day weekends stress me out. Laundry and other things. Friday's off would help me get things done that are weekday dependent like go to the bank for example. | |||
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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase I think the premise is that you are paid the same as a 5 day working week. No financial detriment. Who pays for the extra days leave?" Your employer as you produce as much in the 4 days if not more. That’s the thinking behind it. | |||
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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase I think the premise is that you are paid the same as a 5 day working week. No financial detriment. Who pays for the extra days leave? Your employer as you produce as much in the 4 days if not more. That’s the thinking behind it. " So same hours spread over 4 days right? | |||
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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase I think the premise is that you are paid the same as a 5 day working week. No financial detriment. Who pays for the extra days leave? Your employer as you produce as much in the 4 days if not more. That’s the thinking behind it. So same hours spread over 4 days right?" I've mentioned it above but I did some research after posting this thread and apparently no. 4 days of 8hours. 1 day off. So no the 5th days hours are not added onto the 4 days and yet this equals a win for all. Makes alot of sense to be honest. With technology authorising alot of the Labour and mental effort (not all not the majority but alot) compared to when we had no microchip calculators and computers then it seems working the same number of days as those in the past has simply benefited employers banks and governments but at the expense of the workforce. I have nothing against working to support our country but not as blind sheep either. So it makes sense why work so many days if we have so much technology that now assists us. An easy example: a forklift truck picks up and moves far more stock than we probably did without them. We can do the same and more work in 4 days since we've had them. 5th day we worked but research shows 1 day off is beneficial to the workforce and this means less times off work due to sickness and more productive workforce as you should be more clear mentally and more energy etc. Also someone said above if you're smart you can have a week off just by taking 4 days off in a way so less need to be off work more usual. | |||
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"Im guessing a lot of people will have to work some new patterns, could be the end of weekends unless employers employ twice the number of staff. " Yeah this I've wondered but so far I've read that 4 day week only. Same weekend off. So there may be usual weekend jobs for example call centre work 7 days a week that's on a Rota where some weekends are still worked but yet 4 days a week only. Will we all prefer a 2 day weekend or 3 days off even if it means sometimes in every month it's not always Friday sat and Sunday? I guess most will still want the 3 days off no matter when it is right? I also think it will be great for moral family bonding and less stressful bank holiday weekends. It may also reduce morning/afternoon traffic and holiday traffic too what do u all think? | |||
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"I used to love working 4 on 4 off 12 hr shifts on nights, especially as we used to get an extra £50 for a Saturday and £60 for a Sunday
Done that too, but didn't get the extra dosh. I didn't mind, 4 days off=12 day break.. "I once worked 24 shifts on the bounce covering for other people's holidays, my bank balance was pretty healthy, but I was like a zombie at the end of it   | |||
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"Did the Shadow Home Secretary work out the figures?"
Do the same work, in less time, to become less stressed..... makes sense to me?! | |||
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"Did the Shadow Home Secretary work out the figures?
Do the same work, in less time, to become less stressed..... makes sense to me?! "that's just it I don't see how I could do more. I don't slack, work hard so have no idea how I could be more productive in a shorter time | |||
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"So if we are working 5 days that means we all loose a days pay so wages will go down " wages are to remain the same...apparently | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it." Are they feeling stressed or feeling the pressure. Both are very different! | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it. Are they feeling stressed or feeling the pressure. Both are very different! "feeling the pressure and therefore stressed | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it. Are they feeling stressed or feeling the pressure. Both are very different!
feeling the pressure and therefore stressed"Stress could be because of any reason. It may not be work related.  | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it. Are they feeling stressed or feeling the pressure. Both are very different!
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Stress could be because of any reason. It may not be work related. "True..but work is and can be a massive factor | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it. Are they feeling stressed or feeling the pressure. Both are very different!
feeling the pressure and therefore stressed
Stress could be because of any reason. It may not be work related.
True..but work is and can be a massive factor"If there was a bad culture and no vision for the organisation. I have seen great organizations where ppl thrive on pressure. | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it." I honestly can't see how I'd do 5 days work in 4 days. The demands from employers on their employees will be ridiculous. I can't see many employers saying, yeah sure, you do 20% less time but we'll pay you the same. Many many people are already stressed to the tits through work. The construction industry would suffer, it would take longer to get anything built. I can't think of any industry where you'd be as productive in a 4 day week as you would in a 5. And ultimately bosses are paying for productivity. Doesn't matter how happy I am, I can't do 5 days work in 4. | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it." It actually is possible. In countries where people work less hours they are generally more productive. Their brains are sharper, they're more focused. People tend to get more done on shorter shifts rather than stretching a job out, going for 17 coffee breaks etc etc. Presenteeism and absenteeism are also generally lower too. | |||
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" It's a nice idea, but in a world where we panic at shops being closed on Sundays (oh no what will we do!) The demand for 24/7 will not only affect businesses, it will also affect those seeking entertainment? We're already complaining about hard working Doctors etc working shorter weeks which affects services? How about better working environments, with companies prepared to lower profit margins to pay staff higher wages? The list goes on, and unless modern lifestyle changes drastically I cant see such ideas working. " The blind will vote for the fantasy. Until the pressures of the job makes them ill, or companies go broke. There's a case for companies reducing profits, but this is effectively a 20% pay rise. Not many companies could take that kind of a hit. | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it. I honestly can't see how I'd do 5 days work in 4 days. The demands from employers on their employees will be ridiculous. I can't see many employers saying, yeah sure, you do 20% less time but we'll pay you the same. Many many people are already stressed to the tits through work. The construction industry would suffer, it would take longer to get anything built. I can't think of any industry where you'd be as productive in a 4 day week as you would in a 5. And ultimately bosses are paying for productivity. Doesn't matter how happy I am, I can't do 5 days work in 4." yes..and the demands made now are unrealistic. We are already monitored to within an inch of our life | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it. I honestly can't see how I'd do 5 days work in 4 days. The demands from employers on their employees will be ridiculous. I can't see many employers saying, yeah sure, you do 20% less time but we'll pay you the same. Many many people are already stressed to the tits through work. The construction industry would suffer, it would take longer to get anything built. I can't think of any industry where you'd be as productive in a 4 day week as you would in a 5. And ultimately bosses are paying for productivity. Doesn't matter how happy I am, I can't do 5 days work in 4. yes..and the demands made now are unrealistic. We are already monitored to within an inch of our life" Your last paragrap6is very true. That's where the change is needed. Treat people like humans not a money making commodity. | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it. I honestly can't see how I'd do 5 days work in 4 days. The demands from employers on their employees will be ridiculous. I can't see many employers saying, yeah sure, you do 20% less time but we'll pay you the same. Many many people are already stressed to the tits through work. The construction industry would suffer, it would take longer to get anything built. I can't think of any industry where you'd be as productive in a 4 day week as you would in a 5. And ultimately bosses are paying for productivity. Doesn't matter how happy I am, I can't do 5 days work in 4. yes..and the demands made now are unrealistic. We are already monitored to within an inch of our life Your last paragrap6is very true. That's where the change is needed. Treat people like humans not a money making commodity. " I honestly think that is just how we are thought of. As I'm all for change but I won't hols my breath. companies aren't interested in people. They may have some rhetoric that sounds good for pr but they don't care. | |||
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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase I'm sure it will have to in some way. As long as productivity is the same for the company and worker then it's a win/win. I read somewhere that Labour are using economists to look into the validity of a 3 day week "If you can increase your productivity as easy as that to fit 5 days in to 4 I would sack you for being lazy. | |||
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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase I'm sure it will have to in some way. As long as productivity is the same for the company and worker then it's a win/win. I read somewhere that Labour are using economists to look into the validity of a 3 day week
If you can increase your productivity as easy as that to fit 5 days in to 4 I would sack you for being lazy. "I honestly believe if you could then my company would find a way to revert to 5 days and increase targets | |||
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"productivity is shouted from every corner of our business. People are extremely stressed as it is. I cannot see them.being a anymore productive on 4 days. it's just not possible. you can only type so fast. Btw I'd be all for it. I honestly can't see how I'd do 5 days work in 4 days. The demands from employers on their employees will be ridiculous. I can't see many employers saying, yeah sure, you do 20% less time but we'll pay you the same. Many many people are already stressed to the tits through work. The construction industry would suffer, it would take longer to get anything built. I can't think of any industry where you'd be as productive in a 4 day week as you would in a 5. And ultimately bosses are paying for productivity. Doesn't matter how happy I am, I can't do 5 days work in 4. yes..and the demands made now are unrealistic. We are already monitored to within an inch of our life" I'm contracted to work from 7.30 to 5 with a 1 hour lunch break. I'm in the office at 7 and out well past 5. 1 hour lunch break, nothing more than a fantasy. And now I have to do 5 days work in 4? I have a 3 hour commute every day. Leave home at half 5, home well after 8. How will this utopian fantasy be fulfilled? And who's paying for it? I can't see much money being left over when Virgin, O2 and every other broadband provider has been compensated for the death of their business.  | |||
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"Just wondering what you all think about this? Personally it's something I've been wanting for many years and see the value of it in these times we live in." Can't see it being doable in all aspects of work, only in some! Nice thought though!  | |||
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"Just wondering what you all think about this? Personally it's something I've been wanting for many years and see the value of it in these times we live in." I work 3 days and have four days off but I work 16 hour days | |||
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"I love the sound of it but couldn't afford it. so will it come with a a wage increase" Lots of companies are trialling this now and report increased staff moral, less sick days etc The money stays the same so no issues from that point of view. As per normal my only concern would be that the minority would spoil it for the majority. Some people at my place do 3 day working weeks although they actually attend work for 5 days !! | |||
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"I currently work Monday to Friday 8 - 4 so a 36 hour working week 7 hours 12 minutes a day anything more is flexi time which I can build up and take as a extra day off when I get to 7 hours 12 minutes.Under the new proposals I would work a 32 hour week 8 hours a day sounds good to me but would be interesting to see if I get paid the 4 hours pay I would be losing " Why should you get paid for the 4 hours lost of chargeable work. Anyone that thinks this will work needs there head read or just plain lazy. | |||
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"I do a 4 day week. 36 hours average 9 hours a day some days its longer some it's shorter. It works for me middle of the week off then weekend off too. " I do this, 37 hours over 4 days. It's long days but worth it for the extra day off. | |||
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"So it obviously can work so how can we implement it?" How does it work if you're paid by the hour? | |||
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"So it obviously can work so how can we implement it? How does it work if you're paid by the hour?" Unless your employer pro ratas your wages it won't. Work 40 hours for £400 Vs 30 hours for £400. So, it won't work. Which employer is going to pay you more for doing less? | |||
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"So it obviously can work so how can we implement it? How does it work if you're paid by the hour? Unless your employer pro ratas your wages it won't. Work 40 hours for £400 Vs 30 hours for £400. So, it won't work. Which employer is going to pay you more for doing less? " That's what i thought. At the moment i work 37.5 hours, plus 12 hours overtime. I can only see this as a loss, unless Friday becomes an overtime day, but then Friday would be a long day, whereas at the moment i finish at 1230, 4 day week sounds shit. | |||
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"So it obviously can work so how can we implement it? How does it work if you're paid by the hour? Unless your employer pro ratas your wages it won't. Work 40 hours for £400 Vs 30 hours for £400. So, it won't work. Which employer is going to pay you more for doing less? That's what i thought. At the moment i work 37.5 hours, plus 12 hours overtime. I can only see this as a loss, unless Friday becomes an overtime day, but then Friday would be a long day, whereas at the moment i finish at 1230, 4 day week sounds shit. " My contract hours are 45 a week, Monday to Friday. Fucked if I want to do 45 hours in 4 days. 5 is bad enough when you add in 3 hours a day travel. I'll be doing a 15 hour day instead of 12. Somehow this is supposed to be about quality of life, or being happier at work, so more productive. In my experience the more hours you cram into a day, the less productive you are, the more mistakes you're likely to make. | |||
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"I currently work Monday to Friday 8 - 4 so a 36 hour working week 7 hours 12 minutes a day anything more is flexi time which I can build up and take as a extra day off when I get to 7 hours 12 minutes.Under the new proposals I would work a 32 hour week 8 hours a day sounds good to me but would be interesting to see if I get paid the 4 hours pay I would be losing Why should you get paid for the 4 hours lost of chargeable work. Anyone that thinks this will work needs there head read or just plain lazy. " . Although I don’t expect to get paid the 4 hours lost of chargeable work and from a personal perspective a 32 hour week sounds great there will be a lot of people that can’t afford to lose 4 hours pay for whatever reasons.Yes it could be hard to put into place but perhaps it could help those on zero hour contracts get a 8 contract.After all if I stop working 5 days and go to 4 days someone still has to do the days work I am not working or at least the 4 hours my working week is reduced by. | |||
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"Just wondering what you all think about this? Personally it's something I've been wanting for many years and see the value of it in these times we live in." Labour promised this 30 years ago never delivered, as all of their promises. Just not economically viable else it would have been done. Macaron is trying to raise the retirement age in France co retirement at 50 is no longer economically viable look at problems he has | |||
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