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"Does the latest announcement from Labour, promising to nationalise bt broadband and provide it at no cost to the user have all the hallmarks of state controlled content and rampant surveilance? Its bad enough people buy google wiretaps to listen to their private lives.. I get that the internet is necessary to nearly everything now, but what about privacy? Got an East Berlin vibe going on here." I thought that initially, because it goes against my politics, but then I thought a bit more and I realised why the actual fuck do we need all these routers and separate contracts and cables everywhere. As a pure efficiency concept I quite like it. I'm not a fan of much else labour are offering.... | |||
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"Actually all internet data already passes through government controlled routers, so this would give no further advantage. " Exactly but with the inconvenience and inefficiency of constantly looking for a better deal. | |||
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"Apart from the fact they could circumnavigate legislation to access data with a high level cabinet order without having to go through a judge to get a warrant." I wouldn't say this is neccessarily true. The NHS is a nationalised service but the police still need to follow a very strict procedure in order to gain access to medical records for use as evidence. | |||
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"It won't make any difference. What keeps citizens rights intact is legislation and a government that respects th we law" Lol! Two types of people laugh at the law. Those that break it and those that MAKE it. | |||
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"Does the latest announcement from Labour, promising to nationalise bt broadband and provide it at no cost to the user have all the hallmarks of state controlled content and rampant surveilance? Its bad enough people buy google wiretaps to listen to their private lives.. I get that the internet is necessary to nearly everything now, but what about privacy? Got an East Berlin vibe going on here." I'd rather pay for my own! Now, if they were offering a decent discount on the shine...   | |||
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"Does the latest announcement from Labour, promising to nationalise bt broadband and provide it at no cost to the user have all the hallmarks of state controlled content and rampant surveilance? Its bad enough people buy google wiretaps to listen to their private lives.. I get that the internet is necessary to nearly everything now, but what about privacy? Got an East Berlin vibe going on here." This is not a supporting of any political party it is about him only. Jeremy Corbin is a marxist, he believes that no one should have money or prosper. The state should own everything including the people. This is well documented, if he could he would turn this country into cold war Russia. He wants to leave the EU more than Boris, because EU law would stop him implementing his socialist marxist policies. When your old enough to know his history and his views Corbyn lead government scares the crap out of you and even his own party. | |||
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"Does the latest announcement from Labour, promising to nationalise bt broadband and provide it at no cost to the user have all the hallmarks of state controlled content and rampant surveilance? Its bad enough people buy google wiretaps to listen to their private lives.. I get that the internet is necessary to nearly everything now, but what about privacy? Got an East Berlin vibe going on here." Good old socialist values of 60’s n 70’s Which didn’t work then and doesn’t work now, you’d be wise to avoid the slightly communist views of mr Corbyn | |||
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"Does the latest announcement from Labour, promising to nationalise bt broadband and provide it at no cost to the user have all the hallmarks of state controlled content and rampant surveilance? Its bad enough people buy google wiretaps to listen to their private lives.. I get that the internet is necessary to nearly everything now, but what about privacy? Got an East Berlin vibe going on here. This is not a supporting of any political party it is about him only. Jeremy Corbin is a marxist, he believes that no one should have money or prosper. The state should own everything including the people. This is well documented, if he could he would turn this country into cold war Russia. He wants to leave the EU more than Boris, because EU law would stop him implementing his socialist marxist policies. When your old enough to know his history and his views Corbyn lead government scares the crap out of you and even his own party." The state owns everything now including the people. They only give you the illusion that its yours. Build a house and the state owns the land the house is on. Its not like you can lift the house and take it on the back of a low loader. Once your parents registered your birth they handed you over to the state. The state owns all registered vehicles. You are only the registered keeper but the state owns them. | |||
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"Does the latest announcement from Labour, promising to nationalise bt broadband and provide it at no cost to the user have all the hallmarks of state controlled content and rampant surveilance? Its bad enough people buy google wiretaps to listen to their private lives.. I get that the internet is necessary to nearly everything now, but what about privacy? Got an East Berlin vibe going on here." Yes, you're being paranoid. Did you read the announcement direct, or via a report? It's actually a great thing. The only thing that changes is the cost to the consumer, plus coverage. It's also a little naive to think we are under *less* surveillance now. So, if I had to choose between free coverage for all, versus less coverage that I pay for and a prodit going to tax-dodgers like Branson, I'll choose the former. Also, I think East Berlin had slightly bigget issues than free wifi. | |||
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"This is not a supporting of any political party it is about him only. Jeremy Corbin is a marxist, he believes that no one should have money or prosper. The state should own everything including the people. This is well documented, if he could he would turn this country into cold war Russia. He wants to leave the EU more than Boris, because EU law would stop him implementing his socialist marxist policies. When your old enough to know his history and his views Corbyn lead government scares the crap out of you and even his own party." Would you like to provide any of the documentation you speak of, proving that Corbyn 'believes that no one should have money or prosper'? Or that the 'state should own everything including the people'? Otherwise, that's just childish slander, isn't it? It's also not Marxism, so I don't know where you get your ideas from. What is it about Corbyn's history that scares you? His anti-apartheid stance, whilst everyone else was kissing SA's arse? His decades-long fight for worker's rights? Or his international peace prizes? Incidentally, he is one of the most popular leaders the Labour Party have had. Some leaders representing the establishment have consistently tried to oust him, but the party (i.e. the members) have voted overwhelmingly for him twice. The only fear I see is in the right-wing press, the tax-avoiders they represent and those who believe their crap. Which EU law do you see as squashing a Labour policy? | |||
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"Its a promise too impossible to keep far too expensive" For a start it is not yet a promise, it is media speculation as the manifesto it is supposedly in hasn't been written yet ! Also it is not particularly expensive, but is not likely to see a profit for 20 years or so, which is why fast broadband to rural areas has not happened, and probably wont happen under the current system. But the British public tend to have short term goals and require instant gratification same as the share holders who currently receive most of your tax money, so probably wont happen. | |||
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"Sod the NHS, we need free internet!!  "It's not an either/or. If you need to claim Universal Credit, or show you have been applying for jobs, or just about anything now then you need internet access. If you have it you take it for granted. Libraries used to provide internet access but we don't have as many of those anymore and they aren't open in the evenings. So, now people use coffee shops. Whatever people think of the merits of this I'm glad it has started a conversation. I've already been able to halt the "scroungers all have mobile phones" argument with someone by pointing out they may not have broadband. | |||
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"If you’re doing nothing wrong why would you care ? " Believe me ...... You break so many small, insignificant rules\laws on a daily basis...especially those really old ones still on the statute book that havent been repealed.. Ever gone over 20 in a 20mph speed zone? U-turn on a main street? Travelled at less than 30mph on a motorway? All broken laws... It's mind boggling the amount of crap in the law statutes. | |||
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"If you’re doing nothing wrong why would you care ? Believe me ...... You break so many small, insignificant rules\laws on a daily basis...especially those really old ones still on the statute book that havent been repealed.. Ever gone over 20 in a 20mph speed zone? U-turn on a main street? Travelled at less than 30mph on a motorway? All broken laws... It's mind boggling the amount of crap in the law statutes." No not done any of that as don’t drive 
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"Does the latest announcement from Labour, promising to nationalise bt broadband and provide it at no cost to the user have all the hallmarks of state controlled content and rampant surveilance? Its bad enough people buy google wiretaps to listen to their private lives.. I get that the internet is necessary to nearly everything now, but what about privacy? Got an East Berlin vibe going on here." There will still be other options and there are plenty of routes past filters and checks. Cal | |||
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"It’s never going to happen - like BT are going to hand over their biggest asset, the network!." 
Ever heard of compulsory purchase orders? Government can do that.
Aldo the Queen has the ultimate snatch rights with the claim to 'eminent domain' which means she owns our property, the land and our lives. We are her subjects and if she got pissy....her property to do with as she pleases.
Subjects...from subjugated...
Prisoners serve time 'at her majesty's pleasure'
She wouldnt....but she could...
Sure someone will tell me I am wrong..lol..i listen to too much conspiracy crap | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Labour was in control of many utility's , with no competition it really was crap. And the telephones were rather yuck. Xx" That could not be less relevant. If you want to find a party that are the closest to Labour back then, you'd be looking at the tories. If you don't like what it was like, vote Labour. | |||
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"Sod the NHS, we need free internet!!
It's not an either/or.
If you need to claim Universal Credit, or show you have been applying for jobs, or just about anything now then you need internet access.
If you have it you take it for granted. Libraries used to provide internet access but we don't have as many of those anymore and they aren't open in the evenings. So, now people use coffee shops.
Whatever people think of the merits of this I'm glad it has started a conversation. I've already been able to halt the "scroungers all have mobile phones" argument with someone by pointing out they may not have broadband.
"99% of all scroungers own mobile phones. I would even go as far as saying 100% as i have yet to hear of a politican who dosent own one. | |||
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"If you’re doing nothing wrong why would you care ? Believe me ...... You break so many small, insignificant rules\laws on a daily basis...especially those really old ones still on the statute book that havent been repealed.. Ever gone over 20 in a 20mph speed zone? U-turn on a main street? Travelled at less than 30mph on a motorway? All broken laws... It's mind boggling the amount of crap in the law statutes." Its mind boggling the amount of people who are asleep at the wheel.. | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when Labour was in control of many utility's , with no competition it really was crap. And the telephones were rather yuck. Xx That could not be less relevant. If you want to find a party that are the closest to Labour back then, you'd be looking at the tories. If you don't like what it was like, vote Labour." Not advocating any party they all suck in their own way. Lest some conveniently forgotten or too young to know (What JC is relying on). Some of the poorest constituencies were labour held constituencies under a labour government, promised jobs and prosperity, tax the rich and give to the poor. They had 12 years to do something about it but did nothing except blame others and nearly bankrupting the country in the process, do people honestly think they would do anything different this time? 150+ Billion in debt and have nothing to show for it? No fan of the Conservatives but this election is not who is best for the country but who is least worst! Just my 2 bobs worth | |||
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"Sod the NHS, we need free internet!!
It's not an either/or.
If you need to claim Universal Credit, or show you have been applying for jobs, or just about anything now then you need internet access.
If you have it you take it for granted. Libraries used to provide internet access but we don't have as many of those anymore and they aren't open in the evenings. So, now people use coffee shops.
Whatever people think of the merits of this I'm glad it has started a conversation. I've already been able to halt the "scroungers all have mobile phones" argument with someone by pointing out they may not have broadband.
99% of all scroungers own mobile phones. I would even go as far as saying 100% as i have yet to hear of a politican who dosent own one."My point is clear: if you don't have access to broadband you HAVE to have a mobile phone. This from Wired: ...Prime minister Boris Johnson was also quick to criticise the plans, telling the BBC that he would not pledge “some crackpot scheme that would involve many, many billions of taxpayers’ money nationalising a British business”. Nicky Morgan, the Conservative culture secretary, claimed the new deal would kill competition in the telecoms sector and cost taxpayers billions of pounds. “Corbyn’s Labour are yet again overpromising something they cannot deliver effectively nationalising broadband – killing growth and competition,” she said on Twitter. As he became prime minister, Johnson promised there will be full-fibre broadband coverage by 2020. The pledge moved the deadline for full coverage forward by eight years, from 2025. However industry experts have criticised Johnson's plan for a lack of detail. Yet the government’s own research directly contradicts this argument – and backs the case for state intervention in the broadband market. Government figures show that market competition in the broadband sector has largely failed. Research commissioned by the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) last year argued that current major providers are competing for a slice of just 75 per cent of the UK broadband market – and largely ignoring rural areas that they consider unprofitable. The report considered various scenarios, all involving some kind of government intervention or subsidy to achieve a successful full-fibre broadband rollout. One of the models touted was that of a national monopoly, which “could be expected to deliver a nationwide fibre network coverage, as the monopolist can cross-subsidise between profitable and unprofitable areas” | |||
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"They had 12 years to do something about it but did nothing except blame others and nearly bankrupting the country in the process, do people honestly think they would do anything different this time? " Honestly? Yes, without a shadow of doubt! Look at Corbyn's voting record over the last few decades. He has consistently advocated on behalf of the working class, sick, vulnerable and oppressed. He has *never* been anything like Tony Blair. Anyone who cannot see that would have a hard time explaining thr attempted coups against Corbyn from the remaining Blairite MPs. And I'm curious how you think Labour nearly bankrupted the country. Are you referring to the global economic collapse? | |||
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"If you’re doing nothing wrong why would you care ? " That depends on who's defining what is wrong. | |||
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" And I'm curious how you think Labour nearly bankrupted the country. Are you referring to the global economic collapse?" It was well documented that GB was aware of the pending situation but sat did nothing to try and mitigate the effects on small businesses and the economy. Sat on his laurels while the economy classed around him. He/labour are guilty of inaction Doesn't really matter anyway, it will be decided at the poles. When the Corps and the rich move their money (have expensive accountants to do that) it will be the small and medium businesses the backbone of this country that take hit on his corp tax hikes and those that will suffer, which are significant contributors to the British economy. Like to see if people will be saying the same in 5 years. | |||
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