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Is vaping really as safe as they claim?

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By *ritta OP   Man
over a year ago

Watford

Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't vape.

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By *idsAndyMan
over a year ago

Worcestershire

I can't see the point of smoking or vaping.... Both seem crazy to me.

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I'd imagine breathing anything into your lungs isnt going to be safe xx

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By *ackinabox19Man
over a year ago

Harrogate

They’ll definitely be a lot more to come over the years on this subject !!

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By *ritta OP   Man
over a year ago

Watford

It makes you think though what chemicals are in the things.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It's safer than smoking, but more harmful than breathing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it's totally safe but I think if you are already a smoker then it's safer than a cigarette.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In simple terms, yes it's as safe as they say.

The particular case you refer to though, they can't actually confirm that vaping was the cause, it could be possible that an ingredient caused an allergic reaction though (unconfirmed)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one knows as of yet, it is too early to tell. However, I know what goes into my vape liquid and its just 3 ingredients which are all food grade safe. Compare that to cigarettes and Id say it's healthier to vape than smoke.

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By *ucidityWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping. "

That’s so awful.

I’ve known friend who’ve had ulcers as a result of vaping.

I’d rather stick to my rollies.

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By *ritta OP   Man
over a year ago

Watford


"Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping.

That’s so awful.

I’ve known friend who’ve had ulcers as a result of vaping.

I’d rather stick to my rollies. "

A neighbour got ulcers but the doc said vaping wasn't to blame maybe. Sounds like the doc was wrong and vaping may have caused them then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one knows as of yet, it is too early to tell. However, I know what goes into my vape liquid and its just 3 ingredients which are all food grade safe. Compare that to cigarettes and Id say it's healthier to vape than smoke. "

Yeah but your food doesn’t go into your lungs does it. Apparently the oil in the vape liquid is what causes the issues. Xrays show the damage it does to lungs, it’s compared to fat being liquid in the frying pan but a solid when it cools down so it’s clogging up the respiratory system.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London


"Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping.

That’s so awful.

I’ve known friend who’ve had ulcers as a result of vaping.

I’d rather stick to my rollies. "

My sister said that, now she’d rather have a few mouth ulcers than incurable and soon to be terminal lung cancer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one knows as of yet, it is too early to tell. However, I know what goes into my vape liquid and its just 3 ingredients which are all food grade safe. Compare that to cigarettes and Id say it's healthier to vape than smoke.

Yeah but your food doesn’t go into your lungs does it. Apparently the oil in the vape liquid is what causes the issues. Xrays show the damage it does to lungs, it’s compared to fat being liquid in the frying pan but a solid when it cools down so it’s clogging up the respiratory system."

Wrong. Lipid oils can cause issues and these are not used in vaping

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

When vaping started becoming a thing, I thought it was supposed to be a tool to help people give up. Now it just seem people switch and remain vaping. That seems to defeat the object to me.

I don't know specifically the harm in it yet (I'm not sure to what extent it has been studied) but I imagine it's greater than people realise.

Luke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putting any unnecessary chemicals into your body must have inherent risks.

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By *ucidityWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping.

That’s so awful.

I’ve known friend who’ve had ulcers as a result of vaping.

I’d rather stick to my rollies.

My sister said that, now she’d rather have a few mouth ulcers than incurable and soon to be terminal lung cancer."

That’s fair.

But as someone who chooses to smoke, I will smoke roll ups rather than vape. I know the consequences and risks involved with tobacco, I don’t with vaping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Putting any unnecessary chemicals into your body must have inherent risks."

Someone who speaks sense. Go outside and breathe in the air, it's not good for you.

However, vaping is without doubt the lesser of 2 evils

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think those cases are of people using black market oils.

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By *ucidityWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping.

That’s so awful.

I’ve known friend who’ve had ulcers as a result of vaping.

I’d rather stick to my rollies.

A neighbour got ulcers but the doc said vaping wasn't to blame maybe. Sounds like the doc was wrong and vaping may have caused them then."

It’s tricky because anecdotal evidence isn’t really scientific, it’s just, supposedly, isolated incidents.

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple
over a year ago

kent

No, it really isn’t safe. Medicines that you take into your lungs, asthma drugs for example, are routinely tested for about 10 years before they are considered safe to be released to the public. Our lungs are incredibly sensitive. Just living fairly close to a busy road can increase your chances of all sorts of lung conditions. Vapes and e-cigerattes have not been tested or monitored for any long term effects. Nobody knows what they will do to your lungs.

Right now, the CDC in Atlanta is investigating hundreds of cases of severe illness and death related to vapes and e-cigarettes right across America. There is a fast growing body of evidence that suggests they are very damaging to your health.

The guidance coming from NHS England that is encouraging people to switch from tobacco to vapes and e-cigarette as a less harmful alternative is not supported by many respiratory physiologists or consultants working within the NHS. If you want to quit smoking, use something like Nicorette

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one knows as of yet, it is too early to tell. However, I know what goes into my vape liquid and its just 3 ingredients which are all food grade safe. Compare that to cigarettes and Id say it's healthier to vape than smoke.

Yeah but your food doesn’t go into your lungs does it. Apparently the oil in the vape liquid is what causes the issues. Xrays show the damage it does to lungs, it’s compared to fat being liquid in the frying pan but a solid when it cools down so it’s clogging up the respiratory system.

Wrong. Lipid oils can cause issues and these are not used in vaping"

The boffins in whichever university published the report are obviously wrong then eh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one knows as of yet, it is too early to tell. However, I know what goes into my vape liquid and its just 3 ingredients which are all food grade safe. Compare that to cigarettes and Id say it's healthier to vape than smoke.

Yeah but your food doesn’t go into your lungs does it. Apparently the oil in the vape liquid is what causes the issues. Xrays show the damage it does to lungs, it’s compared to fat being liquid in the frying pan but a solid when it cools down so it’s clogging up the respiratory system.

Wrong. Lipid oils can cause issues and these are not used in vaping

The boffins in whichever university published the report are obviously wrong then eh."

Maybe they are right but I can tell you there hasn't been one, not one confirmed illness anywhere in the world.

As I said before, it's a lesser of 2 evils

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple
over a year ago

kent


"No one knows as of yet, it is too early to tell. However, I know what goes into my vape liquid and its just 3 ingredients which are all food grade safe. Compare that to cigarettes and Id say it's healthier to vape than smoke.

Yeah but your food doesn’t go into your lungs does it. Apparently the oil in the vape liquid is what causes the issues. Xrays show the damage it does to lungs, it’s compared to fat being liquid in the frying pan but a solid when it cools down so it’s clogging up the respiratory system.

Wrong. Lipid oils can cause issues and these are not used in vaping

The boffins in whichever university published the report are obviously wrong then eh.

Maybe they are right but I can tell you there hasn't been one, not one confirmed illness anywhere in the world.

As I said before, it's a lesser of 2 evils"

I don’t know if I can post this link, but here is a brief summary of what’s happening in America at the moment:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/8/20899114/vaping-lung-injury-seizures-explosions-e-cigarette-youth-vaping-flavor-bans

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

sheffield

How many things are they going to say is unsafe to do eat or drink. We have been around the block so many times from wine to coffee, bacon to chicken and now tobacco to vape. Yes tobacco isn’t good for you nor is mc Donald’s If we drink four glasses of wine a day we may become subject to all varieties of illnesses

The boffins are paid well to do fantastic studies on all the delicious things we like and then tell us that it’s unsafe or unhealthy to eat. The best one is sugar. Yea it’s terrible so let’s tax it Fuck off. Nothing is good for us but at least give us the choice to choose whatever we want to do

The poor lad who suffered due to his baling habit. Do we know the full background. I believe he was 16 when he started but how much did he vape every day. What flavours did he use and what product did he buy. Was it the cheap stuff from Azerbaijan or the properly made certified stuff from China!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one knows as of yet, it is too early to tell. However, I know what goes into my vape liquid and its just 3 ingredients which are all food grade safe. Compare that to cigarettes and Id say it's healthier to vape than smoke.

Yeah but your food doesn’t go into your lungs does it. Apparently the oil in the vape liquid is what causes the issues. Xrays show the damage it does to lungs, it’s compared to fat being liquid in the frying pan but a solid when it cools down so it’s clogging up the respiratory system.

Wrong. Lipid oils can cause issues and these are not used in vaping

The boffins in whichever university published the report are obviously wrong then eh.

Maybe they are right but I can tell you there hasn't been one, not one confirmed illness anywhere in the world.

As I said before, it's a lesser of 2 evils

I don’t know if I can post this link, but here is a brief summary of what’s happening in America at the moment:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/8/20899114/vaping-lung-injury-seizures-explosions-e-cigarette-youth-vaping-flavor-bans"

I'll break this answer into the 3 concerns in that article to make it a little easier to follow.

Batteries have exploded, not cigarettes. It happens in all sorts of devices where batteries are not taken care of and maintained.

127 cases of seizures, 3 of which were people using Juul products. Not even sure what to say if you believe that cigarettes are to blame. What about the other 124 cases.

Lung issues this past year have all been confirmed to be vitamin E acetate. Which has been found in thc vapes, nothing to do with traditional ecigarettes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In simple terms, yes it's as safe as they say.

The particular case you refer to though, they can't actually confirm that vaping was the cause, it could be possible that an ingredient caused an allergic reaction though (unconfirmed)"

I read an article in The Lancet (medical journal). It raises concern about vaping being safe considering other governments warn against it.

I'll try find it.

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By *asmartsCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Read the full story, this is 2 years old!

He was 16 and been smoking and using cannabis. He had an allergic reaction to one of the ingredients in whatever he was vaping and I will guarantee he bought from a mix their own liquid store and not a reputable store.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In simple terms, yes it's as safe as they say.

The particular case you refer to though, they can't actually confirm that vaping was the cause, it could be possible that an ingredient caused an allergic reaction though (unconfirmed)

I read an article in The Lancet (medical journal). It raises concern about vaping being safe considering other governments warn against it.

I'll try find it. "

As concerns mount about the safety of e-cigarettes, several countries and national bodies have tightened regulations. India plans to ban e-cigarettes. Several US states have moved to ban flavoured e-cigarettes. The European Respiratory Society has aligned its recommendations on e-cigarettes with those on cigarettes, both encapsulated in one word: don't. They also announced that the same membership restrictions will apply for those with conflicts of interest related to e-cigarettes as for cigarettes. Public Health England, however, continues to endorse e-cigarettes as safer than cigarettes.

The Lancet(dot com) last month.

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple
over a year ago

kent


"No one knows as of yet, it is too early to tell. However, I know what goes into my vape liquid and its just 3 ingredients which are all food grade safe. Compare that to cigarettes and Id say it's healthier to vape than smoke.

Yeah but your food doesn’t go into your lungs does it. Apparently the oil in the vape liquid is what causes the issues. Xrays show the damage it does to lungs, it’s compared to fat being liquid in the frying pan but a solid when it cools down so it’s clogging up the respiratory system.

Wrong. Lipid oils can cause issues and these are not used in vaping

The boffins in whichever university published the report are obviously wrong then eh.

Maybe they are right but I can tell you there hasn't been one, not one confirmed illness anywhere in the world.

As I said before, it's a lesser of 2 evils

I don’t know if I can post this link, but here is a brief summary of what’s happening in America at the moment:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/8/20899114/vaping-lung-injury-seizures-explosions-e-cigarette-youth-vaping-flavor-bans

I'll break this answer into the 3 concerns in that article to make it a little easier to follow.

Batteries have exploded, not cigarettes. It happens in all sorts of devices where batteries are not taken care of and maintained.

127 cases of seizures, 3 of which were people using Juul products. Not even sure what to say if you believe that cigarettes are to blame. What about the other 124 cases.

Lung issues this past year have all been confirmed to be vitamin E acetate. Which has been found in thc vapes, nothing to do with traditional ecigarettes"

The article also states:

• CDC has identified 1604 probably cases in 49 states. 34 people have died.

• THC, Vitamin E and nicotine products all implicated.

• investigators talked to 86 patients and identified 234 different products and 87 different brands.

• gathering evidence is very hard, especially when chemical compounds change as they are heated. Investigators need to test under many different conditions to get accurate understanding of how these products affect the lungs.

It is simply too early to know with any certainty how vaping and e-cigarettes affect the lungs. But it is clear that cases of illness and injury are beginning to emerge.

Everybody makes their own choices. But nobody can say with certainty that they are harmless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldnt like to comment on long term effects because you know, smoking, drinking, asbestos, flydamide the list is endless of great new things that had long term effects, but i will add this, i vaped for 8 months while quitting smoking and actually got myself down to 1mg of nicotine, i honestly cant remember the last time i felt so well, however 2/3 weeks ago i fell off the waggon and have it all to do again, but since i started smoking again i just feel constantly tired and ill so maybe vaping isnt as safe as some people say but i certainly dont think it worse than smoking, my goal now is to have stopped both smoking and vaping by this time next year

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over a year ago

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

They need to clamp down on vape influencers though.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

local, but not too local


"It's safer than smoking, but more harmful than breathing.

"

This.

The poorly kid has an allergic reaction to a flavouring and has become highly sensitised to it.

The American problems are down to cheap imported thc pods with vitamin e as an additive.

Tbh smoke machines irritate me so I know vaping isn’t for me. I don’t smoke, although I did briefly as a teenager. I’m too irritable for that sort of thing these days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldnt like to comment on long term effects because you know, smoking, drinking, asbestos, flydamide the list is endless of great new things that had long term effects, but i will add this, i vaped for 8 months while quitting smoking and actually got myself down to 1mg of nicotine, i honestly cant remember the last time i felt so well, however 2/3 weeks ago i fell off the waggon and have it all to do again, but since i started smoking again i just feel constantly tired and ill so maybe vaping isnt as safe as some people say but i certainly dont think it worse than smoking, my goal now is to have stopped both smoking and vaping by this time next year"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you mentioned anxiety or depression in some posts, or at the very least, low self esteem? These can cause fatigue.

Anyway, good luck quitting again - you can do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They need to clamp down on vape influencers though."

Agreed, they need to clamp down on it being the new cool thing to do because its not, it only really started in the first place to negate the smoking ban, but i can see its benefits for someone who is trying to quit, a doc on the radio today said if you smoke then switch to vaping if you dont smoke then dont start vaping, i for one think thats probably the most sensible attitude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldnt like to comment on long term effects because you know, smoking, drinking, asbestos, flydamide the list is endless of great new things that had long term effects, but i will add this, i vaped for 8 months while quitting smoking and actually got myself down to 1mg of nicotine, i honestly cant remember the last time i felt so well, however 2/3 weeks ago i fell off the waggon and have it all to do again, but since i started smoking again i just feel constantly tired and ill so maybe vaping isnt as safe as some people say but i certainly dont think it worse than smoking, my goal now is to have stopped both smoking and vaping by this time next year

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you mentioned anxiety or depression in some posts, or at the very least, low self esteem? These can cause fatigue.

Anyway, good luck quitting again - you can do it. "

Yes you are right i have but when i'd quit smoking albeit with an ecig i felt great, no tiredness at all and i had an appitite, unlike when i smoke, we all know how much smoking restricts oxygen to the blood.

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By *oney to the beeWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

Dodgy shops selling god knows what I am surprised more people haven't been ill.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

There seems to be a growing public backlash against vaping by certain actors, with some particularly frenzied media articles appearing with ever increasing regularity.

The cases in America seem underpinned with use of unregulated THC obtained from "the street", and Vit E comixing.

I would say that statistically, while vaping (lab grade and regulated products) is safer than smoking, there will be a % which will suffer harm of some sort.

Some folks are allergic to peanuts, to a lethal degree. Most are not.

Some folks cannot process lactose. Most can.

If millions of people "Do a thing", there will always be a % of those who suffer adverse affects from it.

With smoking, we know from studies that the % is high. With vaping we don't have enough empirical data at this time to make a rational and fact-based decision.

I'd be very interested in knowing the % of people who suffer respiratory problems who work in constant environments where there are vapours inhaled as a side effect of their work.

In particular, steam houses and saunas, where things like eucalyptus are inhaled by staff constantly. Probably way above the levels a vaper would inhale with a eucalyptus-flavoured vape.

More research, particularly in cross-relevant fields where inhalation is a factor, would be very welcome.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Vaping has limited research evidence behind it and the stuff has been made and sold in a much less restricted manner than nicotine cigarettes now are.

I hope that it's much safer than fags, for the health of the millions who have switched. I'm guessing that it will be, due to the wide general issue with burnt products on our lungs and body. But research evidence is still limited.

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

You have to think how much money the tabacco industry are pumping into the new product, they know...

Plus I think something like 15 peeps have already died from vaping in what 4-5 years?

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By *J RHEAMan
over a year ago

S West

Breathing vapour into your lungs isn't going to be good for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a bit more pleasant for non-smokers to be around but no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Safer than smoking tobacco, for a number of reasons, mainly temperature of what you inhale and what substances you are putting into your lungs. Also the dose of nicotine that runs into your body .Obviously, it is still dangerous, especially if you don't stick to lab tested, factory made liquids.

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By *houldibedoingthis!Man
over a year ago

london

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By *houldibedoingthis!Man
over a year ago

london


"Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping.

That’s so awful.

I’ve known friend who’ve had ulcers as a result of vaping.

I’d rather stick to my rollies. "

Me too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t forget they explode in your pocket and blow your cock off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping. "
it's safer than smoking cigarettes, and the media saying people have died from vaping is a bit of a white lie, the people in America that past away from vaping was due to them taking illegal made cbd vapes from China and home made labs. I think vaping is better than smoking

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By *nderIwonder.Man
over a year ago

2nd City


"Safer than smoking tobacco, for a number of reasons, mainly temperature of what you inhale and what substances you are putting into your lungs. Also the dose of nicotine that runs into your body .Obviously, it is still dangerous, especially if you don't stick to lab tested, factory made liquids. "

Bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd imagine breathing anything into your lungs isnt going to be safe xx"

Maybe air is ok i think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd imagine breathing anything into your lungs isnt going to be safe xx

Maybe air is ok i think "

Even the quality of air in some places can be questionable these days ;p

That's it ... we're doomed !!

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple
over a year ago

kent

Sky News:

https://news.sky.com/story/cardiologists-warn-vaping-is-so-dangerous-and-addictive-it-should-be-banned-11860234

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By *orthantsblueeyesMan
over a year ago

Northampton


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. "

But I am cool and trendy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. "

Jealous ?

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By *ntrigued32Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. "

They look like they think they are cool? They must look cool for you to say that

D.

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By *eastAndTheHarlotCouple
over a year ago

Hartlepool

They are as safe as they say.

People just need to do research before making judgements on things

One of the main ingredients in vape juces is Propylene glycol (PG). It's the part that gives the 'hit' in your throat.

It is safe and is commonly used as a medical suspension (it carries medication, think paracetamol particles in calpol) and is given in oral, IV and through vaporisers (nebuliser) in hospitals. If you have ever had a bad asthma attack you've probably had it.

The other main ingredient is vegetable glycerin. This is used the same way but most commonly found in over the counter syrups. It's thicker so it's used a lot for cough syrup. It has been tested to use in nebulisers and while safe but PG was more efficient.

The only other ingredients should be very minimal amounts of food flavoring.

The problems start to come when you add nicotine. It's a known poison and carcinogen (causes cancer). Nobody says nicotine is safe.

The thing is, most people vape to get away from the other 200+ carcinogens in tobacco. Once you quit tobacco and move to vaping its a lot easier to cut down the nicotine until you're using nicotine free juice. Then you can stop.

It's a very effective way to quit smoking and yes, it is safe. It has been tested. If you are thinking of vaping instead of smoking, go to an independent vape shop. They will have all of the information for you.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. "
No they dont , I dont vape because it's cool or trendy ya muppet , I vape because it's better than fags , and I can breathe deeper than I could a year ago . Simple .

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"They are as safe as they say.

People just need to do research before making judgements on things

One of the main ingredients in vape juces is Propylene glycol (PG). It's the part that gives the 'hit' in your throat.

It is safe and is commonly used as a medical suspension (it carries medication, think paracetamol particles in calpol) and is given in oral, IV and through vaporisers (nebuliser) in hospitals. If you have ever had a bad asthma attack you've probably had it.

The other main ingredient is vegetable glycerin. This is used the same way but most commonly found in over the counter syrups. It's thicker so it's used a lot for cough syrup. It has been tested to use in nebulisers and while safe but PG was more efficient.

The only other ingredients should be very minimal amounts of food flavoring.

The problems start to come when you add nicotine. It's a known poison and carcinogen (causes cancer). Nobody says nicotine is safe.

The thing is, most people vape to get away from the other 200+ carcinogens in tobacco. Once you quit tobacco and move to vaping its a lot easier to cut down the nicotine until you're using nicotine free juice. Then you can stop.

It's a very effective way to quit smoking and yes, it is safe. It has been tested. If you are thinking of vaping instead of smoking, go to an independent vape shop. They will have all of the information for you. "
Well said

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over a year ago


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. No they dont , I dont vape because it's cool or trendy ya muppet , I vape because it's better than fags , and I can breathe deeper than I could a year ago . Simple . "

So if you are that bothered about your breathing just give up both, the muppet is the person who has got themselves addicted to nicotine if we are being honest.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. No they dont , I dont vape because it's cool or trendy ya muppet , I vape because it's better than fags , and I can breathe deeper than I could a year ago . Simple .

So if you are that bothered about your breathing just give up both, the muppet is the person who has got themselves addicted to nicotine if we are being honest. "
At least I didnt call him a " fucking moron " though

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over a year ago


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. No they dont , I dont vape because it's cool or trendy ya muppet , I vape because it's better than fags , and I can breathe deeper than I could a year ago . Simple .

So if you are that bothered about your breathing just give up both, the muppet is the person who has got themselves addicted to nicotine if we are being honest. At least I didnt call him a " fucking moron " though "

True but he didn't specifically call you one just people in general who vape.

E cigarettes were invented to wean people off nicotine and stop them smoking not replacing it.

The vaping companies are just farming vapers in reality these days not helping them ot stop just replacing the cigarette companies. Its just manipulation akin to a Shepard herding sheep.

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over a year ago


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. No they dont , I dont vape because it's cool or trendy ya muppet , I vape because it's better than fags , and I can breathe deeper than I could a year ago . Simple .

So if you are that bothered about your breathing just give up both, the muppet is the person who has got themselves addicted to nicotine if we are being honest. At least I didnt call him a " fucking moron " though

True but he didn't specifically call you one just people in general who vape.

E cigarettes were invented to wean people off nicotine and stop them smoking not replacing it.

The vaping companies are just farming vapers in reality these days not helping them ot stop just replacing the cigarette companies. Its just manipulation akin to a Shepard herding sheep. "

And even more so with all the new fancy fruity flavours too attractive younger market

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. No they dont , I dont vape because it's cool or trendy ya muppet , I vape because it's better than fags , and I can breathe deeper than I could a year ago . Simple .

So if you are that bothered about your breathing just give up both, the muppet is the person who has got themselves addicted to nicotine if we are being honest. At least I didnt call him a " fucking moron " though

True but he didn't specifically call you one just people in general who vape.

E cigarettes were invented to wean people off nicotine and stop them smoking not replacing it.

The vaping companies are just farming vapers in reality these days not helping them ot stop just replacing the cigarette companies. Its just manipulation akin to a Shepard herding sheep. "
Then I'm a Sheep !! BAAAAAAAAA !!

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over a year ago

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over a year ago


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. No they dont , I dont vape because it's cool or trendy ya muppet , I vape because it's better than fags , and I can breathe deeper than I could a year ago . Simple .

So if you are that bothered about your breathing just give up both, the muppet is the person who has got themselves addicted to nicotine if we are being honest. At least I didnt call him a " fucking moron " though

True but he didn't specifically call you one just people in general who vape.

E cigarettes were invented to wean people off nicotine and stop them smoking not replacing it.

The vaping companies are just farming vapers in reality these days not helping them ot stop just replacing the cigarette companies. Its just manipulation akin to a Shepard herding sheep.

And even more so with all the new fancy fruity flavours too attractive younger market "

Its actually a worrying trend that the younger end is being targeted.

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over a year ago


"People who "vape" are fucking morons and they look like morons because they look as if they think they are cool and trendy when they are doing it. No they dont , I dont vape because it's cool or trendy ya muppet , I vape because it's better than fags , and I can breathe deeper than I could a year ago . Simple .

So if you are that bothered about your breathing just give up both, the muppet is the person who has got themselves addicted to nicotine if we are being honest. "

Think muppet might be a bit strong. Addiction is difficult to shift once you have one. Are you saying alcholics are muppets, those who are on prescription drugs and non prescription drugs are muppets..addiction is unfortunately an illness. More education is required. Rather than branding people muppets try tocbe open minded.

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By *eastAndTheHarlotCouple
over a year ago

Hartlepool


"

True but he didn't specifically call you one just people in general who vape.

E cigarettes were invented to wean people off nicotine and stop them smoking not replacing it.

The vaping companies are just farming vapers in reality these days not helping them ot stop just replacing the cigarette companies. Its just manipulation akin to a Shepard herding sheep. "

Again people talking about things they haven't checked. E-cigs have WAY more ingredients, they are a lot harsher and totally unregulated.

Vaping is different. They're heavily regulated and each ingredient is checked and clearly stated on the package.

Any of those tiny bottles you see in a local supermarket or garage is just cigarette companies trying to cash in.

Independent vape shops/liquid companies (usually larger bottles) actually stick to regulations, using only safe ingredients (you add the nicotine yourself) and actually care about their blends.

So many great companies out there making really high quality stuff like dinner ladies, wick liquor, elements and golden cauldron. They all make great tasting, safe juices.

Egic companies like blu and juel are owned by tobacco companies who couldn't care less and just pay the fines for putting unsafe ingredients in.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"It makes you think though what chemicals are in the things. "

It's written on the labels

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Who further up wrote 'Nicotine causes cancer'?

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over a year ago

I do have a theory about this vaping thing. My guess is in that in years to come there will be a lot more cases of emphysema rather than lung cancer killing people. I used to work down the mines and one of the biggest killers was dust related emphysema, The lungs were literally overwhelmed with dust if you say did it for 20 to 30 years.

So I have to say that in 20 to 30 years there will be a huge increase in emphysema cases as the water vapour surely is not good that you are putting in your lungs. The little hairs in your lungs called scillia which take away the water will eventually be swamped and cases of pneumonia will increase.

I'd say that there will be a lot of people with some pretty heavy duty coughs caused by vaping in due course.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I started with an ecig 5 years ago. I now have a vaper, sometimes I add nicotine, sometimes I don't.

I find I use it less when I add 3pc nicotine.

When I first started there had already been a 10 year study carried out in Sweden on these products, being made in China.

If there were reasons to be alarmed they wouldn't of been given the green light by the UK government, never mind the European one. That study is now 15 years old approx.

We get more health warnings over red meat than vaping in regards to cancer and perhaps other diseases/health issues.

You can't die from nicotine unless you inject it straight into the blood. It sounds like 'caffine' and is a chemical cousin of it.

My doctor do'sent like me having one as 'not enough is known'. I get that. But I also know for decades cigarettes were 'cool' they were advertised as a healthy lifestyle. It too long for experts to admit they got it wrong.

The tobacco companies don't like me having one either. Maybe the chancellor as he is loosing out on billions of £££ in taxes.

I'm happy though, my family and friends are. I don't care how I look. What's it matter when I'm. In doors vaping away how I look?

I feel fine, still running around sports pitches, still able to taste my food, no yellow patches on my fingers, my clothes and house don't smell stale.

I was kidding everyone like every smoker when I used to say 'I enjoy smoking' it tastes like shit.

This is different.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I do have a theory about this vaping thing. My guess is in that in years to come there will be a lot more cases of emphysema rather than lung cancer killing people. I used to work down the mines and one of the biggest killers was dust related emphysema, The lungs were literally overwhelmed with dust if you say did it for 20 to 30 years.

So I have to say that in 20 to 30 years there will be a huge increase in emphysema cases as the water vapour surely is not good that you are putting in your lungs. The little hairs in your lungs called scillia which take away the water will eventually be swamped and cases of pneumonia will increase.

I'd say that there will be a lot of people with some pretty heavy duty coughs caused by vaping in due course."

So chefs for eg. I'm thinking of people who work in areas of steam.

What about the Fins with their love of The Sauna? They are breathing in vapour, often generated from charcoal and water.

I know we vaper oil rather than water but when you run a boiling hot bath and the heating is off in the bathroom, it fills with steam/vapour and you breath it in.

It's similar to that but on different scales

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do have a theory about this vaping thing. My guess is in that in years to come there will be a lot more cases of emphysema rather than lung cancer killing people. I used to work down the mines and one of the biggest killers was dust related emphysema, The lungs were literally overwhelmed with dust if you say did it for 20 to 30 years.

So I have to say that in 20 to 30 years there will be a huge increase in emphysema cases as the water vapour surely is not good that you are putting in your lungs. The little hairs in your lungs called scillia which take away the water will eventually be swamped and cases of pneumonia will increase.

I'd say that there will be a lot of people with some pretty heavy duty coughs caused by vaping in due course.

So chefs for eg. I'm thinking of people who work in areas of steam.

What about the Fins with their love of The Sauna? They are breathing in vapour, often generated from charcoal and water.

I know we vaper oil rather than water but when you run a boiling hot bath and the heating is off in the bathroom, it fills with steam/vapour and you breath it in.

It's similar to that but on different scales"

Careful... the Forum Police might not like your Opinion... too many people jumping onto Band Wagon having seen one headline..

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I do have a theory about this vaping thing. My guess is in that in years to come there will be a lot more cases of emphysema rather than lung cancer killing people. I used to work down the mines and one of the biggest killers was dust related emphysema, The lungs were literally overwhelmed with dust if you say did it for 20 to 30 years.

So I have to say that in 20 to 30 years there will be a huge increase in emphysema cases as the water vapour surely is not good that you are putting in your lungs. The little hairs in your lungs called scillia which take away the water will eventually be swamped and cases of pneumonia will increase.

I'd say that there will be a lot of people with some pretty heavy duty coughs caused by vaping in due course.

So chefs for eg. I'm thinking of people who work in areas of steam.

What about the Fins with their love of The Sauna? They are breathing in vapour, often generated from charcoal and water.

I know we vaper oil rather than water but when you run a boiling hot bath and the heating is off in the bathroom, it fills with steam/vapour and you breath it in.

It's similar to that but on different scales

Careful... the Forum Police might not like your Opinion... too many people jumping onto Band Wagon having seen one headline.. "

The crazy thing is. Not one of them is a vaper but will know more about it than 'us' vapers.

I'm not an expert but have a vast experience and that comes from talking to and questioning the people within the industry.

And when asked, answering about my own health and how I feel

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Medical experts have warned us for a long time about eating too much red meat. They say it can highten the risk of getting cancer.

Yet, we can go and buy as much red meat as many times as we like.

All they say about vaping is 'we don't know' (see the bit above about the swedes study) and yet, given your age you can also go and buy as much vape product as you like.

If it was that shall we say 'dodgy' it wouldn't be so readily available, just incase.

I do genuinely worry about the NHS and the income it gets from cigarette taxes. The less people smoke the longer they live. I think they will really struggle treating people as they live longer, still getting cancer (perhaps not as much diagnosis of lung cancer) and yet the money from taxes will have fallen right off.

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By *orraine999Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere


"Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping. "

According to this morning's new report, the 17 yo had been vaping large amounts if THC.

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over a year ago


"A neighbour got ulcers but the doc said vaping wasn't to blame maybe. Sounds like the doc was wrong and vaping may have caused them then."

This bloke died from crush injuries, he switched smoking to vaping just 2 weeks before.

Be careful folks vaping could be fatal, oh and try not to stand under falling trees too, that may have contributed....

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Just seen on the news a young lad catastrophic respiratory failure and ended up on life support through vaping.

According to this morning's new report, the 17 yo had been vaping large amounts if THC."

From what I gather this was the cause of the deaths they had in America.

It's not due to my 'Sticky Toffee Pudding' (eg) liquid but the media stopped short of reporting that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

1.When I first started there had already been a 10 year study carried out in Sweden on these products, being made in China.

2.If there were reasons to be alarmed they wouldn't of been given the green light by the UK government, never mind the European one. That study is now 15 years old approx.

3.You can't die from nicotine unless you inject it straight into the blood. It sounds like 'caffine' and is a chemical cousin of it.

4.My doctor do'sent like me having one as 'not enough is known'. I get that. But I also know for decades cigarettes were 'cool' they were advertised as a healthy lifestyle. It too long for experts to admit they got it wrong.

"

Jizzy, I have questions/comments on the above.

1. Source the research please as I don't rely on others interpretation on research.

2. What makes you think the UK govt and European govt (I assume you mean EU as there is no single European govt) gave the green light to vaping? Initially the NHS had no opinion on it (hence your doc saying not enough known), whereas public health England promotes it now as being the lesser of the two evils re tabacco and can quote research for using it as an aid re smoking cessation. Read my post above re the lancet.com and govts banning vapes.

3. Chemical cousin? And your point? Think statins. Simvastatin and atorvastatin do the same job of lowering cholesterol. Docs prescribe the former as it's cheaper than the latter. However, for some people, an intolerance to sim means they are prescribed ator, due to slight differences in the compounds. My point is, it's irrelevant how close caffeine and nicotine are. Of which I have no clue.

4. Cigarette advertising as a popular lifestyle, yes but healthy? Did that really happen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do have a theory about this vaping thing. My guess is in that in years to come there will be a lot more cases of emphysema rather than lung cancer killing people. I used to work down the mines and one of the biggest killers was dust related emphysema, The lungs were literally overwhelmed with dust if you say did it for 20 to 30 years.

So I have to say that in 20 to 30 years there will be a huge increase in emphysema cases as the water vapour surely is not good that you are putting in your lungs. The little hairs in your lungs called scillia which take away the water will eventually be swamped and cases of pneumonia will increase.

I'd say that there will be a lot of people with some pretty heavy duty coughs caused by vaping in due course.

So chefs for eg. I'm thinking of people who work in areas of steam.

What about the Fins with their love of The Sauna? They are breathing in vapour, often generated from charcoal and water.

I know we vaper oil rather than water but when you run a boiling hot bath and the heating is off in the bathroom, it fills with steam/vapour and you breath it in.

It's similar to that but on different scales

Careful... the Forum Police might not like your Opinion... too many people jumping onto Band Wagon having seen one headline.. "

And others actually prefer the rigours of research.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Medical experts have warned us for a long time about eating too much red meat. They say it can highten the risk of getting cancer.

Yet, we can go and buy as much red meat as many times as we like.

All they say about vaping is 'we don't know' (see the bit above about the swedes study) and yet, given your age you can also go and buy as much vape product as you like.

If it was that shall we say 'dodgy' it wouldn't be so readily available, just incase.

I do genuinely worry about the NHS and the income it gets from cigarette taxes. The less people smoke the longer they live. I think they will really struggle treating people as they live longer, still getting cancer (perhaps not as much diagnosis of lung cancer) and yet the money from taxes will have fallen right off.

"

The NHS gets income from cigarettes? Surely as a taxable item it just goes in the chancellors purse to apportion (loosely) where he likes.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

I doubt it very much but as with most things in life one minute they're healthy and then they're not.

Go to work on an egg... Don't eat eggs you'll get salmonella

Eat meat There's iron in it.. Don't eat meat you'll catch mad cow disease or it will be somebody's ex race horse

I think most people accept smoking is bad for your health but at one time it was good for you

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"

1.When I first started there had already been a 10 year study carried out in Sweden on these products, being made in China.

2.If there were reasons to be alarmed they wouldn't of been given the green light by the UK government, never mind the European one. That study is now 15 years old approx.

3.You can't die from nicotine unless you inject it straight into the blood. It sounds like 'caffine' and is a chemical cousin of it.

4.My doctor do'sent like me having one as 'not enough is known'. I get that. But I also know for decades cigarettes were 'cool' they were advertised as a healthy lifestyle. It too long for experts to admit they got it wrong.

Jizzy, I have questions/comments on the above.

1. Source the research please as I don't rely on others interpretation on research.

2. What makes you think the UK govt and European govt (I assume you mean EU as there is no single European govt) gave the green light to vaping? Initially the NHS had no opinion on it (hence your doc saying not enough known), whereas public health England promotes it now as being the lesser of the two evils re tabacco and can quote research for using it as an aid re smoking cessation. Read my post above re the lancet.com and govts banning vapes.

3. Chemical cousin? And your point? Think statins. Simvastatin and atorvastatin do the same job of lowering cholesterol. Docs prescribe the former as it's cheaper than the latter. However, for some people, an intolerance to sim means they are prescribed ator, due to slight differences in the compounds. My point is, it's irrelevant how close caffeine and nicotine are. Of which I have no clue.

4. Cigarette advertising as a popular lifestyle, yes but healthy? Did that really happen?

"

1. I don't have it to hand. I suggest see what Google comes up with. When they first came out here a client of mine at the time told me about it. I still have no reason to not believe him. He went into detail about it. This was a few years before the C4 documentary on it. Could of been bbc

2. Yes sorry, EU. What makes me think they gave the green light, is the fact it's regulated and for sale. Am I wrong to suspect they allow illegal things to be sold illegally? Tasers for eg.

3. My point....someone above above said 'Nicotine causes cancer'. In fact it's no where near as harmful as we think. It's printed all over cigarette packets. 'Warning got Nicotine in' and all that.

Wiki told me before bout it being similar to caffeine. Nicotine is the addictive element to smoking.

4. Yeah I'm sure I've seen old posters from just after WW2 about smoking being popular and healthy.

I'm sorry I don't have any links to copy and paste but it's an interesting subject and if you have the time, have a look around and see if any of those gaps I've left can be filled.

I'm guessing you don't vape? If correct, it might not be that interesting afterall

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Medical experts have warned us for a long time about eating too much red meat. They say it can highten the risk of getting cancer.

Yet, we can go and buy as much red meat as many times as we like.

All they say about vaping is 'we don't know' (see the bit above about the swedes study) and yet, given your age you can also go and buy as much vape product as you like.

If it was that shall we say 'dodgy' it wouldn't be so readily available, just incase.

I do genuinely worry about the NHS and the income it gets from cigarette taxes. The less people smoke the longer they live. I think they will really struggle treating people as they live longer, still getting cancer (perhaps not as much diagnosis of lung cancer) and yet the money from taxes will have fallen right off.

The NHS gets income from cigarettes? Surely as a taxable item it just goes in the chancellors purse to apportion (loosely) where he likes. "

Yeah. I'm sure your right. Less tax from cigarettes the less can go back to health and fighting lung cancer (eg)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Worked in Vaping Industry since it's infancy and have done 6 years now. Buy your supplies from proper Wholesalers as eac item has gone through stringent tests before it can be sold.. people do ur research and stop jumping on a Daily Mail headline...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

1.When I first started there had already been a 10 year study carried out in Sweden on these products, being made in China.

2.If there were reasons to be alarmed they wouldn't of been given the green light by the UK government, never mind the European one. That study is now 15 years old approx.

3.You can't die from nicotine unless you inject it straight into the blood. It sounds like 'caffine' and is a chemical cousin of it.

4.My doctor do'sent like me having one as 'not enough is known'. I get that. But I also know for decades cigarettes were 'cool' they were advertised as a healthy lifestyle. It too long for experts to admit they got it wrong.

Jizzy, I have questions/comments on the above.

1. Source the research please as I don't rely on others interpretation on research.

2. What makes you think the UK govt and European govt (I assume you mean EU as there is no single European govt) gave the green light to vaping? Initially the NHS had no opinion on it (hence your doc saying not enough known), whereas public health England promotes it now as being the lesser of the two evils re tabacco and can quote research for using it as an aid re smoking cessation. Read my post above re the lancet.com and govts banning vapes.

3. Chemical cousin? And your point? Think statins. Simvastatin and atorvastatin do the same job of lowering cholesterol. Docs prescribe the former as it's cheaper than the latter. However, for some people, an intolerance to sim means they are prescribed ator, due to slight differences in the compounds. My point is, it's irrelevant how close caffeine and nicotine are. Of which I have no clue.

4. Cigarette advertising as a popular lifestyle, yes but healthy? Did that really happen?

1. I don't have it to hand. I suggest see what Google comes up with. When they first came out here a client of mine at the time told me about it. I still have no reason to not believe him. He went into detail about it. This was a few years before the C4 documentary on it. Could of been bbc

2. Yes sorry, EU. What makes me think they gave the green light, is the fact it's regulated and for sale. Am I wrong to suspect they allow illegal things to be sold illegally? Tasers for eg.

3. My point....someone above above said 'Nicotine causes cancer'. In fact it's no where near as harmful as we think. It's printed all over cigarette packets. 'Warning got Nicotine in' and all that.

Wiki told me before bout it being similar to caffeine. Nicotine is the addictive element to smoking.

4. Yeah I'm sure I've seen old posters from just after WW2 about smoking being popular and healthy.

I'm sorry I don't have any links to copy and paste but it's an interesting subject and if you have the time, have a look around and see if any of those gaps I've left can be filled.

I'm guessing you don't vape? If correct, it might not be that interesting afterall"

1. So you're going on others say so. No I won't Google but if others Google then try Google scholar as a search engine - you won't get wiki results then but actual research.

2. An agency in the govt would have okayed the selling of it, but not as a healthy alternative to tobacco, ie not the dept of health.

3. I think you'll find someone stated carcinogenic ie CAN cause cancer not DOES. In fact smoking is known to cause MORE respiratory PROBLEMS than cause lung cancer - that results in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. This disease is actually harder to treat the symptoms of than (most) cancers.

4. The NHS wasn't created until after the war, so they weren't promoting cigarettes. Did the govt? Source it.

I have never smoked but I've seen many people suffer the consequences of it.

The point is, not to vape as an alternative but to use it to aid cessation of smoking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Medical experts have warned us for a long time about eating too much red meat. They say it can highten the risk of getting cancer.

Yet, we can go and buy as much red meat as many times as we like.

All they say about vaping is 'we don't know' (see the bit above about the swedes study) and yet, given your age you can also go and buy as much vape product as you like.

If it was that shall we say 'dodgy' it wouldn't be so readily available, just incase.

I do genuinely worry about the NHS and the income it gets from cigarette taxes. The less people smoke the longer they live. I think they will really struggle treating people as they live longer, still getting cancer (perhaps not as much diagnosis of lung cancer) and yet the money from taxes will have fallen right off.

The NHS gets income from cigarettes? Surely as a taxable item it just goes in the chancellors purse to apportion (loosely) where he likes.

Yeah. I'm sure your right. Less tax from cigarettes the less can go back to health and fighting lung cancer (eg)"

I thought our NI contributions fund the NHS not other taxes.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"

1.When I first started there had already been a 10 year study carried out in Sweden on these products, being made in China.

2.If there were reasons to be alarmed they wouldn't of been given the green light by the UK government, never mind the European one. That study is now 15 years old approx.

3.You can't die from nicotine unless you inject it straight into the blood. It sounds like 'caffine' and is a chemical cousin of it.

4.My doctor do'sent like me having one as 'not enough is known'. I get that. But I also know for decades cigarettes were 'cool' they were advertised as a healthy lifestyle. It too long for experts to admit they got it wrong.

Jizzy, I have questions/comments on the above.

1. Source the research please as I don't rely on others interpretation on research.

2. What makes you think the UK govt and European govt (I assume you mean EU as there is no single European govt) gave the green light to vaping? Initially the NHS had no opinion on it (hence your doc saying not enough known), whereas public health England promotes it now as being the lesser of the two evils re tabacco and can quote research for using it as an aid re smoking cessation. Read my post above re the lancet.com and govts banning vapes.

3. Chemical cousin? And your point? Think statins. Simvastatin and atorvastatin do the same job of lowering cholesterol. Docs prescribe the former as it's cheaper than the latter. However, for some people, an intolerance to sim means they are prescribed ator, due to slight differences in the compounds. My point is, it's irrelevant how close caffeine and nicotine are. Of which I have no clue.

4. Cigarette advertising as a popular lifestyle, yes but healthy? Did that really happen?

1. I don't have it to hand. I suggest see what Google comes up with. When they first came out here a client of mine at the time told me about it. I still have no reason to not believe him. He went into detail about it. This was a few years before the C4 documentary on it. Could of been bbc

2. Yes sorry, EU. What makes me think they gave the green light, is the fact it's regulated and for sale. Am I wrong to suspect they allow illegal things to be sold illegally? Tasers for eg.

3. My point....someone above above said 'Nicotine causes cancer'. In fact it's no where near as harmful as we think. It's printed all over cigarette packets. 'Warning got Nicotine in' and all that.

Wiki told me before bout it being similar to caffeine. Nicotine is the addictive element to smoking.

4. Yeah I'm sure I've seen old posters from just after WW2 about smoking being popular and healthy.

I'm sorry I don't have any links to copy and paste but it's an interesting subject and if you have the time, have a look around and see if any of those gaps I've left can be filled.

I'm guessing you don't vape? If correct, it might not be that interesting afterall

1. So you're going on others say so. No I won't Google but if others Google then try Google scholar as a search engine - you won't get wiki results then but actual research.

2. An agency in the govt would have okayed the selling of it, but not as a healthy alternative to tobacco, ie not the dept of health.

3. I think you'll find someone stated carcinogenic ie CAN cause cancer not DOES. In fact smoking is known to cause MORE respiratory PROBLEMS than cause lung cancer - that results in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. This disease is actually harder to treat the symptoms of than (most) cancers.

4. The NHS wasn't created until after the war, so they weren't promoting cigarettes. Did the govt? Source it.

I have never smoked but I've seen many people suffer the consequences of it.

The point is, not to vape as an alternative but to use it to aid cessation of smoking. "

Okie dokie

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Medical experts have warned us for a long time about eating too much red meat. They say it can highten the risk of getting cancer.

Yet, we can go and buy as much red meat as many times as we like.

All they say about vaping is 'we don't know' (see the bit above about the swedes study) and yet, given your age you can also go and buy as much vape product as you like.

If it was that shall we say 'dodgy' it wouldn't be so readily available, just incase.

I do genuinely worry about the NHS and the income it gets from cigarette taxes. The less people smoke the longer they live. I think they will really struggle treating people as they live longer, still getting cancer (perhaps not as much diagnosis of lung cancer) and yet the money from taxes will have fallen right off.

The NHS gets income from cigarettes? Surely as a taxable item it just goes in the chancellors purse to apportion (loosely) where he likes.

Yeah. I'm sure your right. Less tax from cigarettes the less can go back to health and fighting lung cancer (eg)

I thought our NI contributions fund the NHS not other taxes. "

I dunno but I'd like to think takes from cigarettes and alcohol towards the cost of treating. Makes sense to me.

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By *rNaughtyNickMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Course not the lack of research and how short vaping and ecigs has bexome a thing.

Then look how long it too the health organisations to link tabacco to cancer...

Tho like everything in life its all about moderation.

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By *oney to the beeWoman
over a year ago

Manchester


"Course not the lack of research and how short vaping and ecigs has bexome a thing.

Then look how long it too the health organisations to link tabacco to cancer...

Tho like everything in life its all about moderation."

Its looking like there has been a serious lack of research on how damaging vaping can be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Course not the lack of research and how short vaping and ecigs has bexome a thing.

Then look how long it too the health organisations to link tabacco to cancer...

Tho like everything in life its all about moderation.

Its looking like there has been a serious lack of research on how damaging vaping can be. "

Not necessarily lack of research but uncontrollable variables that prevents facts arising but correlations. Quite often though, research leads to knowledge of the next generation of research to be done.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

There are results out this morning of a trial carried out by Dundee University on THE BBC news site, the opening paragraph says:

Smokers can improve the health of their heart within weeks of switching to e-cigarettes, the largest trial of its kind shows.

You rarely get 'good press' and it's often dismissed.

But if people wish to read more, visit the bbc news site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all need a vice... I smell better and don’t cough up phlegm and as an asthmatic...no issues there

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

They did stress 'it's not safe, just safer than tabbaco'.

Nothing new learned there then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It looks cool. Kids take up vaping because they want to look good. Selfies in ICU are hot.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

The lady on TV said it was aimed at kids due to the sweet flavour.

Nah its aimed at smokers who might like sweet flavours.

Nothing worse for me in regards to vaping when I see kids do it.

Dosent do our community any favours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have been vaping for around 7-8 years. I mix my own liquids and use UK regulated products only. I have never had a problem from doing this at all. I used to smoke 40 cigarette's or roll ups a day on average to help keep my anxiety levels down. I've had 3 chest x-rays over the years of vaping and my lungs have been completely clear every time.

I'm not saying it's completely safe nor am I saying that there aren't people getting ill from vaping but these are rare cases where people have underlying issues or are using foreign import products.

A lot of the articles also may as well have a big sign saying "sponsored by the big tobacco companies"

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