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"The poppy police?" Those who criticise the non wearers... | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. " Purple Poppy | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. " The white ones are a symbol of pacifism | |||
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"I'd wear a white one, but it attracts more negativity than I'm prepared to deal with at this time of the year." It’s a shame in this day and age people cannot respect each other’s preferences of which they choose to wear, or not wear. | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. " I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. " It’s not a fashion statement | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. The white ones are a symbol of pacifism " Yes I understand that but I don't really understand the need. I'm a pacifist but as I don't the see the red poppy as a symbol of war I don't see the need to wear a white one. | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. The white ones are a symbol of pacifism " And could always wear together with the Red one. The white one's are meant to represent remembrance for all victims of war, a commitment to peace and a challenge to attempts to glamorise or celebrate war. So if you have a white one, wear the Red one at the same time, and both with pride! | |||
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"I will wear one and I really couldn’t care less who it offends " Why would it offend someone? | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. It’s not a fashion statement " It wasn't meant to be. The red was for remembrance, white for peace and purple for animals killed in war. | |||
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"I wear mine, got an enamel pin one for work and if I'm told I can't wear it at work they will see what an angry menopausal ex forces woman can do!" Why would your employers tell you you can't wear one? | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. " No, the red shouldn't be. But like many things, e.g. The Union flag, some people project a meaning onto them. It's why I only wear one on the 11th (and Remembrance Sunday). It's a personal thing, and I don't care whether other people choose to wear one or not. But I don't care for people judging others for their choice (in either case). | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. " I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. | |||
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"Who will wear? Who won't? Who will wear a white one? Or the one for animals who died? Will the poppy police be out in force ?" The people who want to wear one will, those don’t, won’t. I’m not really sure why it’s such an issue every year. In fact, I don’t think it was in the days before social networks but now there are those who wish to make a hero out of themselves in a different way. I think we should have a poppy for all the internet heroes, a brown one of course. | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. The white ones are a symbol of pacifism And could always wear together with the Red one. The white one's are meant to represent remembrance for all victims of war, a commitment to peace and a challenge to attempts to glamorise or celebrate war. So if you have a white one, wear the Red one at the same time, and both with pride! " No. Definitely not with pride. | |||
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"Lots off lampposts and road signs wearing them (red)here in South Wales, anywhere else?" Yes in a few parts of London and Essex. | |||
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"I wear mine, got an enamel pin one for work and if I'm told I can't wear it at work they will see what an angry menopausal ex forces woman can do! Why would your employers tell you you can't wear one?" Food hygiene, incase it falls into food, I have the argument about wearing one every year... I always wear one on my hat. | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. " The white poppy is not about anti-war. You can be a pacifist and still take part in war. At the same time, you can be a pacifist and still wear the Red poppy. It's the thought, not the showing that should count. | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. The white ones are a symbol of pacifism And could always wear together with the Red one. The white one's are meant to represent remembrance for all victims of war, a commitment to peace and a challenge to attempts to glamorise or celebrate war. So if you have a white one, wear the Red one at the same time, and both with pride! No. Definitely not with pride." Yes, wouldn't it be better to have nothing like that to commemorate rate? The world would be a far better place. | |||
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"What do people do with them when Nov 11 is over? Put them in the bucket or recycle them? " I keep all mine, they go in a box, together with my clay ones | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. The white ones are a symbol of pacifism And could always wear together with the Red one. The white one's are meant to represent remembrance for all victims of war, a commitment to peace and a challenge to attempts to glamorise or celebrate war. So if you have a white one, wear the Red one at the same time, and both with pride! No. Definitely not with pride." I totally understand that there are negative connotations with both. Its my personal preference to wear a red one. | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. The white poppy is not about anti-war. You can be a pacifist and still take part in war. At the same time, you can be a pacifist and still wear the Red poppy. It's the thought, not the showing that should count. " Ok, you clearly know more than I do. I'm out. | |||
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"I wear mine, got an enamel pin one for work and if I'm told I can't wear it at work they will see what an angry menopausal ex forces woman can do! Why would your employers tell you you can't wear one?" Exactly. Theres plenty of rubbish on social media claiming people are vilified for wearing a poppy. I've never heard anyone in person complain or even read an article in a newspaper criticising them. It's a remembrance symbol and a mark of respect. | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. The white poppy is not about anti-war. You can be a pacifist and still take part in war. At the same time, you can be a pacifist and still wear the Red poppy. It's the thought, not the showing that should count. " Surely by definition a pacifist would not willingly take part in a war? | |||
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"I wear mine, got an enamel pin one for work and if I'm told I can't wear it at work they will see what an angry menopausal ex forces woman can do! Why would your employers tell you you can't wear one? Exactly. Theres plenty of rubbish on social media claiming people are vilified for wearing a poppy. I've never heard anyone in person complain or even read an article in a newspaper criticising them. It's a remembrance symbol and a mark of respect. " Umm weren't the England football team told they couldn't wear them last year? | |||
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"I wear mine, got an enamel pin one for work and if I'm told I can't wear it at work they will see what an angry menopausal ex forces woman can do! Why would your employers tell you you can't wear one? Exactly. Theres plenty of rubbish on social media claiming people are vilified for wearing a poppy. I've never heard anyone in person complain or even read an article in a newspaper criticising them. It's a remembrance symbol and a mark of respect. " As I posted about food hygiene. | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. The white poppy is not about anti-war. You can be a pacifist and still take part in war. At the same time, you can be a pacifist and still wear the Red poppy. It's the thought, not the showing that should count. Surely by definition a pacifist would not willingly take part in a war? " Certainly not to take up arms, many preffered to go to prison during conscription. But then a fair few also served as medics etc. | |||
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" Umm weren't the England football team told they couldn't wear them last year? " I believe the international football authority is very strict about keeping anything political out of the football arena. War by definition occurs because of a failure of politics. | |||
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"Pride? Unless you were there you've no right to feel proud about something you've had no hand in. If you had you may not feel so proud about what you achieved. It's about Remembrance, not Pride. Now I'm out. Done and dusted, no comment on poppies anywhere till the days been and gone. " It feels somewhat feeble and insufficient but sending hugs. | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. The white poppy is not about anti-war. You can be a pacifist and still take part in war. At the same time, you can be a pacifist and still wear the Red poppy. It's the thought, not the showing that should count. Surely by definition a pacifist would not willingly take part in a war? " Why? Can a pacifist not help those wounded without taking part in the fighting? So if your a medic can you not join up and help but not take an active part in the fighting? So yes, you can be a pacifist and actually disagree with conflict but still help Which is why I have no problem with the White Poppy, the Poppy isn't, and never should be, political. | |||
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" Umm weren't the England football team told they couldn't wear them last year? I believe the international football authority is very strict about keeping anything political out of the football arena. War by definition occurs because of a failure of politics. " Yes but wasn't it overturned as it is seen as a sign of remembrance not as a political statement? | |||
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"Pride? Unless you were there you've no right to feel proud about something you've had no hand in. If you had you may not feel so proud about what you achieved. It's about Remembrance, not Pride. Now I'm out. Done and dusted, no comment on poppies anywhere till the days been and gone. " Of course I have pride, I have pride in my Corp, I have pride in the unit's I served, I have pride in my Country. So I wear my Poppy with pride. | |||
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"I will wear one and I really couldn’t care less who it offends Why would it offend someone?" Exactly | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. It’s not a fashion statement " She never said it looked good, she said she liked it. I suspect it was the fact the person was reflecting all forms of remembrance. | |||
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" Umm weren't the England football team told they couldn't wear them last year? I believe the international football authority is very strict about keeping anything political out of the football arena. War by definition occurs because of a failure of politics. Yes but wasn't it overturned as it is seen as a sign of remembrance not as a political statement? " Yes, overturned because the Poppy is not Political. | |||
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"I have my 2019 enamel pin I prefer them over the paper poppies " Me too! Wearing with pride!! | |||
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"I will wear one and I really couldn’t care less who it offends Why would it offend someone? Exactly " Because there are people that get offended about things they don't agree with. Not just disagree, but they go beyond disagreement and love to take it to the next level by being offended. | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. It’s not a fashion statement She never said it looked good, she said she liked it. I suspect it was the fact the person was reflecting all forms of remembrance. " In a nutshell. | |||
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"Dome have been villified for refusing to wear a poppy during a match " I don't think anyone should be vilified if they chose not to wear one same as if they do. It's what sits right with the individual that counts. | |||
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"Dome have been villified for refusing to wear a poppy during a match I don't think anyone should be vilified if they chose not to wear one same as if they do. It's what sits right with the individual that counts. " 100% but it doesn't work like that. Our society is very divided at present, and the poppy is used as a potent symbol of "Britishness". An example, can you imagine the furore if Jeremy Corbyn (pretty much a life long pacifist) actually chose to wear a white poppy? The Daily Mail would be inciting people to shoot him! | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. It’s not a fashion statement She never said it looked good, she said she liked it. I suspect it was the fact the person was reflecting all forms of remembrance. " What form of remembrance does the white one represent? | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. It’s not a fashion statement She never said it looked good, she said she liked it. I suspect it was the fact the person was reflecting all forms of remembrance. What form of remembrance does the white one represent?" It represents pantheism. Also Iv heard people say that it represents civilian casualtys of war but I'm not sure if many think that way or not. | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. It’s not a fashion statement She never said it looked good, she said she liked it. I suspect it was the fact the person was reflecting all forms of remembrance. What form of remembrance does the white one represent?" Their intention was to remember casualties of all wars, with the added meaning of a hope for the end of all wars. | |||
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"Dome have been villified for refusing to wear a poppy during a match I don't think anyone should be vilified if they chose not to wear one same as if they do. It's what sits right with the individual that counts. 100% but it doesn't work like that. Our society is very divided at present, and the poppy is used as a potent symbol of "Britishness". An example, can you imagine the furore if Jeremy Corbyn (pretty much a life long pacifist) actually chose to wear a white poppy? The Daily Mail would be inciting people to shoot him! " But to play devils advocate: Why wear a white one during remembrance when clearly the red poppy symbolises just that? The white poppy is fine, but cant it have it's own day without trying to detract? | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. It’s not a fashion statement She never said it looked good, she said she liked it. I suspect it was the fact the person was reflecting all forms of remembrance. In a nutshell. " I got it right Woop | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. I saw some wearing a white, red and purple one the other day. I liked that. It’s not a fashion statement She never said it looked good, she said she liked it. I suspect it was the fact the person was reflecting all forms of remembrance. What form of remembrance does the white one represent? It represents pantheism. Also Iv heard people say that it represents civilian casualtys of war but I'm not sure if many think that way or not. " Why would pantheists choose to hijack the red poppy to spread their doctrine ? | |||
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"I think it should just be worn on the day. Fed up with TV presenters wearing them weeks in advance to court approval " I don't see why that is an issue at all. Just ignore it. Different if attention is brought to it, and they make a point of blatant showing it off. They are showing their respect in their own way, their belief and reason for doing so is theirs. It is a harmless visual symbol. Sure there are people out their that will use it as some sort of fashion statement or trend. Happens with everything. | |||
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"Dome have been villified for refusing to wear a poppy during a match I don't think anyone should be vilified if they chose not to wear one same as if they do. It's what sits right with the individual that counts. 100% but it doesn't work like that. Our society is very divided at present, and the poppy is used as a potent symbol of "Britishness". An example, can you imagine the furore if Jeremy Corbyn (pretty much a life long pacifist) actually chose to wear a white poppy? The Daily Mail would be inciting people to shoot him! But to play devils advocate: Why wear a white one during remembrance when clearly the red poppy symbolises just that? The white poppy is fine, but cant it have it's own day without trying to detract? " Detract? How does showing respect in a different way detract? OK, then not wear one at all. But still be there and lay a wreath etc. As I said, it's a powerful tool, particularly with an election looming. I predict that a right wing newspaper will find something to fault him on the day for. Poppy too small. Raincoat too scruffy. Etc. | |||
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"Dome have been villified for refusing to wear a poppy during a match I don't think anyone should be vilified if they chose not to wear one same as if they do. It's what sits right with the individual that counts. 100% but it doesn't work like that. Our society is very divided at present, and the poppy is used as a potent symbol of "Britishness". An example, can you imagine the furore if Jeremy Corbyn (pretty much a life long pacifist) actually chose to wear a white poppy? The Daily Mail would be inciting people to shoot him! But to play devils advocate: Why wear a white one during remembrance when clearly the red poppy symbolises just that? The white poppy is fine, but cant it have it's own day without trying to detract?" I partially agree. In a way that, as I have mentioned in my previous comments. There are people who LOVE to attach their own negatives to a symbol that has different beliefs for different people. For some the red is about rememberence. For some it is about respect. For some it's just tradition. For some it is glorifying war. For some... Etc. This is then how we end up with all these different colours further dividing people. | |||
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"I have my 2019 enamel pin I prefer them over the paper poppies " Me too | |||
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"Walking home from the bus stop in Bristol this evening, I passed a fire engine with a large red poppy attached to its front grill. I was a bit puzzled to begin with as to why. Until I remembered an awful lot of fire-fighters must have died in fires caused by war, too. " Like many a place (entire post room's left and joined up in the Great War for instance) the Fire Service has lost a great many due to conflict. And a great many served in conflict's. So no puzzle at all, I would be more puzzled at them not having any poppy at all! | |||
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"I will wear a red one as always. " We both will too, as always. A mark of respect and remembrance. | |||
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"I think it should just be worn on the day. Fed up with TV presenters wearing them weeks in advance to court approval " I wear one on my coat all year you'd hate me. | |||
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"I think it should just be worn on the day. Fed up with TV presenters wearing them weeks in advance to court approval I wear one on my coat all year you'd hate me. " I really wouldn't. I just think they are frightened to be seen without one. | |||
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"Always do, bloody do-gooders pc brigade need to pull their self righteous fingers out of their arses. " I dont understand the point you are trying to make? Where do the bloody do goodies PC brigade come in to things and why are they being self-righteous | |||
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"I think it should just be worn on the day. Fed up with TV presenters wearing them weeks in advance to court approval I wear one on my coat all year you'd hate me. I really wouldn't. I just think they are frightened to be seen without one." On television probably | |||
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"But to play devils advocate: Why wear a white one during remembrance when clearly the red poppy symbolises just that? The white poppy is fine, but cant it have it's own day without trying to detract?" How does the white poppy detract? And can there not be more than 1 way to remember? | |||
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"To be honest at every minutes silence I just think what a waste of life.. and for what.. To keep the Toffs ... " Your making it political. | |||
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"To be honest at every minutes silence I just think what a waste of life.. and for what.. To keep the Toffs ... Your making it political. " I do wonder if it's all part of the establishments control of the poor man.. make them feel good despite whole generations were wiped outso they could keep their wealth... | |||
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"To be honest at every minutes silence I just think what a waste of life.. and for what.. To keep the Toffs ... Your making it political. " Unfortunately it has been bastardised as a political symbol, as that is what war is, political. As I've said, people should just have their own opinions on what it means, but also allow others to have theirs too. | |||
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"To be honest at every minutes silence I just think what a waste of life.. and for what.. To keep the Toffs ... Your making it political. I do wonder if it's all part of the establishments control of the poor man.. make them feel good despite whole generations were wiped outso they could keep their wealth..." Sigh That has nothing to do with the Poppy and more to do with you. | |||
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"I wear one and go to a remembrance service every year. I do it as an act of remembrance and a way to say thank you to those who serve. I respect others wishes if the choose not too. I respect others wishes if they want to wear a different colour one for whatever reason. It is not political, it is not religious and it has nothing to do with race, sex, gender, colour or creed. " | |||
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"I usually wear a pin year round. I also buy several paper ones over this period as they keep getting shredded by the car seat belt." Plastic. I read they are made from pieces of plastic. Which is what made me wonder what happens to them when people are finished with them. Do you recycle the plastic? | |||
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"I wear one and go to a remembrance service every year. I do it as an act of remembrance and a way to say thank you to those who serve. I respect others wishes if the choose not too. I respect others wishes if they want to wear a different colour one for whatever reason. It is not political, it is not religious and it has nothing to do with race, sex, gender, colour or creed. " Fully agree with you! Except it is political (I don't mean your opinion), as I stated above, it has been bastardised (on both sides) to be a political symbol because people feel so strongly about it (on both sides) . | |||
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"I usually wear a pin year round. I also buy several paper ones over this period as they keep getting shredded by the car seat belt. Plastic. I read they are made from pieces of plastic. Which is what made me wonder what happens to them when people are finished with them. Do you recycle the plastic? " I have a big box full of them. I started writing the year on them a while back. Wish I'd done it from the start, I think there's at least one from when I was in the Scouts! | |||
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"I have an enamel pin on my handbag all year round " I like. | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. The white poppy is not about anti-war. You can be a pacifist and still take part in war. At the same time, you can be a pacifist and still wear the Red poppy. It's the thought, not the showing that should count. Surely by definition a pacifist would not willingly take part in a war? " Many of the bravest men in the first world war were pacifists. Quakers especially, who refused to fight but were in the trenches, as stretcher bearers. | |||
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" Fully agree with you! Except it is political (I don't mean your opinion), as I stated above, it has been bastardised (on both sides) to be a political symbol because people feel so strongly about it (on both sides) . " I agree - it has been made political and it shouldn’t have. What I really should have said is “it should not be about politics or religion.” For me it is something that should be beyond politics and religion, it should be something pure - remembrance for those you gave their lives and those that serve, Allied and Axis, Foreign and Domestic, Enemy and Friend. | |||
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"I have an enamel pin on my handbag all year round I like. " My handbag? Sorry, you can't have it! | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. The white poppy is not about anti-war. You can be a pacifist and still take part in war. At the same time, you can be a pacifist and still wear the Red poppy. It's the thought, not the showing that should count. Surely by definition a pacifist would not willingly take part in a war? Many of the bravest men in the first world war were pacifists. Quakers especially, who refused to fight but were in the trenches, as stretcher bearers." Great point. Today many would then accuse them of being hypocritical, which they weren't. There is a lot of misunderstanding or misrepresentation due to not understanding or wrong assumptions. | |||
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" Fully agree with you! Except it is political (I don't mean your opinion), as I stated above, it has been bastardised (on both sides) to be a political symbol because people feel so strongly about it (on both sides) . I agree - it has been made political and it shouldn’t have. What I really should have said is “it should not be about politics or religion.” For me it is something that should be beyond politics and religion, it should be something pure - remembrance for those you gave their lives and those that serve, Allied and Axis, Foreign and Domestic, Enemy and Friend. " | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. The white poppy is not about anti-war. You can be a pacifist and still take part in war. At the same time, you can be a pacifist and still wear the Red poppy. It's the thought, not the showing that should count. Surely by definition a pacifist would not willingly take part in a war? Many of the bravest men in the first world war were pacifists. Quakers especially, who refused to fight but were in the trenches, as stretcher bearers. Great point. Today many would then accuse them of being hypocritical, which they weren't. There is a lot of misunderstanding or misrepresentation due to not understanding or wrong assumptions. " Possibly, though I think the first and second world wars were a little more clear cut. I don't think a pacifist would feel comfortable "supporting" our efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. | |||
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"I'd wear a white one, but it attracts more negativity than I'm prepared to deal with at this time of the year." I've always worn a white one, why would you get negativity? | |||
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"Red, any other colour is just snowflake bullshit. The Red Poppy is a memorial to everyone, regardless of Country, Faith, Colour or Creed who have their lives for future generations. For me it includes those poor lads shot for cowardice. " That isn't actually what the red poppy commemorates. It *certainly* doesn't include those shot for so-callled cowardice. So that kinda detracts from your snowflake comment. The other thong that makes it seem a little inaccurate is the history of the white poppy. Google is your friend. | |||
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"Red, any other colour is just snowflake bullshit. The Red Poppy is a memorial to everyone, regardless of Country, Faith, Colour or Creed who have their lives for future generations. For me it includes those poor lads shot for cowardice. " So animals that have served their country mean sweet fuck all to you? | |||
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"Red one for me. If there is one for the animals that got killed I would wear that as well. " yes you can get a purple one for animals | |||
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"I am wearing one and it will be red. I don't understand the white ones, they are not a symbol of or "glorifying" war they are a symbol of remembrance. I get people who dont understand what they mean ask me about it. It's for pacifism, anti-war. For those of us who want no part of any of the glorification that comes with the main day,which is supposed to bd about Remembering the Dead, in order that none of this happens again. There is a lot of glorification on Remembrance Day. Maybe not by the masses, maybe not intentionally, but it happens. Wearing something like a white poppy drags me into conversations I'd rather not have. I don't like talking to anyone that day as it is. The white poppy is not about anti-war. You can be a pacifist and still take part in war. At the same time, you can be a pacifist and still wear the Red poppy. It's the thought, not the showing that should count. Surely by definition a pacifist would not willingly take part in a war? Why? Can a pacifist not help those wounded without taking part in the fighting? So if your a medic can you not join up and help but not take an active part in the fighting? So yes, you can be a pacifist and actually disagree with conflict but still help Which is why I have no problem with the White Poppy, the Poppy isn't, and never should be, political. " Yes it's fiction but remember the private Godfrey conscientious objector story in dad's army ? Turned out he was a bigger hero than most of them | |||
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"Red, any other colour is just snowflake bullshit. The Red Poppy is a memorial to everyone, regardless of Country, Faith, Colour or Creed who have their lives for future generations. For me it includes those poor lads shot for cowardice. So animals that have served their country mean sweet fuck all to you? " I don't think animals recognise countries and nations. It's something only humans do to demarcate between tribes. | |||
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"Red, any other colour is just snowflake bullshit. The Red Poppy is a memorial to everyone, regardless of Country, Faith, Colour or Creed who have their lives for future generations. For me it includes those poor lads shot for cowardice. So animals that have served their country mean sweet fuck all to you? I don't think animals recognise countries and nations. It's something only humans do to demarcate between tribes. " Clearly you've never met a member of the cat family. | |||
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"Hang on a minute..the poppy symbolises a nation's grateful thanks to those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the bid for freedom of people. And for those that continue to do so today. However one chooses to mark this period of rembrance is a personal choice. There is absolutely no no justifiable reason to promote shame, abuse or violence here. In fact, I find it vile and disgusting. So let's stop. Now." | |||
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"I wear a red one every year. My dog wears a purple one" | |||
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"I'd wear a white one, but it attracts more negativity than I'm prepared to deal with at this time of the year. I've always worn a white one, why would you get negativity? " | |||
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"Red, any other colour is just snowflake bullshit. The Red Poppy is a memorial to everyone, regardless of Country, Faith, Colour or Creed who have their lives for future generations. For me it includes those poor lads shot for cowardice. That isn't actually what the red poppy commemorates. It *certainly* doesn't include those shot for so-callled cowardice. So that kinda detracts from your snowflake comment. The other thong that makes it seem a little inaccurate is the history of the white poppy. Google is your friend." I said "FOR ME" it includes them. I dont need Google! | |||
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"Red, any other colour is just snowflake bullshit. The Red Poppy is a memorial to everyone, regardless of Country, Faith, Colour or Creed who have their lives for future generations. For me it includes those poor lads shot for cowardice. So animals that have served their country mean sweet fuck all to you? " They mean a lot to me and my RED poppy includes them too! | |||
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"Hang on a minute..the poppy symbolises a nation's grateful thanks to those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the bid for freedom of people. And for those that continue to do so today. However one chooses to mark this period of rembrance is a personal choice. There is absolutely no no justifiable reason to promote shame, abuse or violence here. In fact, I find it vile and disgusting. So let's stop. Now. " That's the whole idea of the thread in the first place, It's not posted on the UK page but an international one, Is up here to cause debate and rile people, What the poppy symbolizes in the UK is completely the opposite to how any country the UK invaded or ruled with an iron fist see it, and I'm pretty sure the OP knows it. There probably more millions who see it as a sign of Oppression, | |||
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"If someone wants to wear one its their right to do so if someone doesn't then just leave them be no need to persecute them for not doing so. Then those who are remembering those last in the past can do it respectfully without interruption. " | |||
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"Red, any other colour is just snowflake bullshit. The Red Poppy is a memorial to everyone, regardless of Country, Faith, Colour or Creed who have their lives for future generations. For me it includes those poor lads shot for cowardice. That isn't actually what the red poppy commemorates. It *certainly* doesn't include those shot for so-callled cowardice. So that kinda detracts from your snowflake comment. The other thong that makes it seem a little inaccurate is the history of the white poppy. Google is your friend. I said "FOR ME" it includes them. I dont need Google! " You said, "The Red Poppy is a memorial to everyone..." but it isn't. That's not what it means. Wearers of the White Poppy have known this since 1933. So, as they wanted to remember slightly differently, they wear a white poppy. Ironically, they are the ones respecting what the red poppy actually means, by letting it do just that. | |||
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"I have my 2019 enamel pin I prefer them over the paper poppies " Got mine too in memory of my grandads and all those that serve then and now. | |||
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"Hang on a minute..the poppy symbolises a nation's grateful thanks to those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the bid for freedom of people. And for those that continue to do so today. However one chooses to mark this period of rembrance is a personal choice. There is absolutely no no justifiable reason to promote shame, abuse or violence here. In fact, I find it vile and disgusting. So let's stop. Now. That's the whole idea of the thread in the first place, It's not posted on the UK page but an international one, Is up here to cause debate and rile people, What the poppy symbolizes in the UK is completely the opposite to how any country the UK invaded or ruled with an iron fist see it, and I'm pretty sure the OP knows it. There probably more millions who see it as a sign of Oppression, " There is a black poppy as well. | |||
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" Umm weren't the England football team told they couldn't wear them last year? I believe the international football authority is very strict about keeping anything political out of the football arena. War by definition occurs because of a failure of politics. " pep guadiola got fined for wearing a badge which was classed as a political statement so I think the same rule applies to league football btw James McLean refused to wear a shirt with a poppy on and he gave his reasons but still got slated for it | |||
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