FabSwingers.com forum: RWC 2019 # The Ice Bath

By *heBirminghamWeekend OP Man
over a year ago

here

Chill out and reflection ....if you want to.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

Not the boys best day but you can’t win em all

Disappointed for them

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

I would just say well done to all the teams that made this World Cup a good one, big thank you to Japan for over coming their adversities and kept the tournament going

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekend OP Man
over a year ago

here

Stadium not even emptied and already the press speculating on whether Eddie J will stay until the end of contract in 2021.. Australian press reporting that powerful figures at the top of Australia RU want Eddie for the Wallabies job..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Chill out and reflection ....if you want to.

We weren't given the chance to play today, being hammered in the scrums meant we were always on the back foot. Ultimately though our guys have played a great tournament and I'm really proud of them.

Cal

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well done SA.

Ref was always going to be dodgy. He was dodgy against Wales.

Putting a Frenchman on against England in final was a serious question of judgement by those in authority.

Least he was notified that there is such a thing called TMO for this game but didn't know how to use it. Forward pass for SA last try ignored, even the crowd saw it.

As been said before, great world cup but will be remembered not for the right reasons.

SA united for a couple days a least.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *isandhers691127Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Well done SA, best team won on the day and you cant win a rugby match if you cant win your scrum.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We were rubbish, they were brilliant

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Game of the tournament!

SA were a different class!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

Their bus arrived late apparently

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.

Eddie will have many excuses no doubt

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

Their bus arrived late apparently

Unfortunately playing catch up, it's a new thread and I haven't read the last one.

Last week we got beaten by South Africa who, I thought, played anti rugby. Just kicked the fuck out of it.

Same today?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.

Eddie will have many excuses no doubt

They weren’t ‘shite’ . SA were brilliant no shame in losing to them today

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

Their bus arrived late apparently

Unfortunately playing catch up, it's a new thread and I haven't read the last one.

Last week we got beaten by South Africa who, I thought, played anti rugby. Just kicked the fuck out of it.

Same today?"

Same pattern yes - stifling defence and brutal physicality for the whole 80 with a couple of tries in the last 20 mins

England had no go forward ball and hit a green wall constantly so couldn't play their game.

Same as they did against Japan and then against us. Squeezed the life out

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Game of the tournament!

SA were a different class!

Most definitely not game of the tournament......that would be the England semi or either of Japan's great victories.

England not 'shite'....just unable to get on the front foot due to Springboks power game

Lost....but no disgrace

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

Their bus arrived late apparently

Unfortunately playing catch up, it's a new thread and I haven't read the last one.

Last week we got beaten by South Africa who, I thought, played anti rugby. Just kicked the fuck out of it.

Same today?"

I'd say so.

The South Africans had a great defensive game, but the constant playing for penalties isn't a great game to watch at all. Same can be said when England had Johnny Wilkinson and opted to kick every 5 seconds. It takes the flow out of the game.

Personally I'd like to see them do something to free the game up a bit more.

Today's match is a classic example of why League fans mock the Union game. Whereas the AllBlacks vs England match was a completely different game to watch (whichever side you supported).

Can't fault SA for their strategy, just makes a boring game is all, to watch, or play.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land

England have been on the front foot throughout the whole World Cup and always thought SA were perhaps the one team who could match them physically, which was the case.

Going backward in the scrums & not getting go forward ball in the loose like they have it was always difficult to see how England would react to & overcome that.

Unfortunately for England they didn't have anything to change that.

Not being able to play the French who bring similar physical game as SA maybe hindered there quest to win the Final

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

Their bus arrived late apparently

Unfortunately playing catch up, it's a new thread and I haven't read the last one.

Last week we got beaten by South Africa who, I thought, played anti rugby. Just kicked the fuck out of it.

Same today?

I'd say so.

Personally I'd like to see them do something to free the game up a bit more.

Today's match is a classic example of why League fans mock the Union game. Whereas the AllBlacks vs England match was a completely different game to watch (whichever side you supported).

Can't fault SA for their strategy, just makes a boring game is all, to watch, or play.

That's a shame because it's been a great tournament but this happens in finals in so many sports.

In the group games it's about getting better each game and in knock out its just about winning. Not the performance.

It worked for SA last week and again today.

I haven't missed much then. (Haven't seen any of the game and won't bother)

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.

Eddie will have many excuses no doubt

They weren’t ‘shite’ . SA were brilliant no shame in losing to them today "

Your opinion, you’re entitled to it.

I thought they were shite.

ROG summed it up perfectly “no scrum, no win”

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it was a brilliant world cup and Japan as hosts did an amazing job.

Teams will have to adapt (as they always do) due to the result and the way SA played. Not the prettiest or most enjoyable rugby but was effective against 'better' teams (more than once).

Overall it's been a great tournament, fun to watch and the team who had the best tactics won.

Only negative I can come up with is a shite French ref, but I've complained about him for years so nothing new there.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.

Eddie will have many excuses no doubt

They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

"I think it was a brilliant world cup and Japan as hosts did an amazing job.

Teams will have to adapt (as they always do) due to the result and the way SA played. Not the prettiest or most enjoyable rugby but was effective against 'better' teams (more than once).

Overall it's been a great tournament, fun to watch and the team who had the best tactics won.

Agree with all this

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.

Eddie will have many excuses no doubt

They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples

Again, we’re all entitled to our opinions SB. I thought they were shite in comparison to the rest of the tournament.

I’ll leave it at that

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Who won? I missed it.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.

Eddie will have many excuses no doubt

They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples

Again, we’re all entitled to our opinions SB. I thought they were shite in comparison to the rest of the tournament.

I’ll leave it at that

It’s ok, you can call me Sandy

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.

Eddie will have many excuses no doubt

They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples

Again, we’re all entitled to our opinions SB. I thought they were shite in comparison to the rest of the tournament.

I’ll leave it at that

It’s ok, you can call me Sandy

No hard feelings, Sandy! Xx

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"Just got in.

I know the score but where did it go wrong for England?

They were shite, plain and simple. Totally outclassed.

Eddie will have many excuses no doubt

They weren’t shite and Eddie didn’t make any excuses, when interviewed he just said we couldn’t get in the game, simples

Again, we’re all entitled to our opinions SB. I thought they were shite in comparison to the rest of the tournament.

I’ll leave it at that

It’s ok, you can call me Sandy

No hard feelings, Sandy! Xx"

None at all beautiful

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekend OP Man
over a year ago

here

Watching the South African defence deal with a relentless attack from England 2m from SA line (around 66 minute ) was fantastic.

Had England anticipated the game may not go according to the script they expected, they wouldn’t have looked like rabbits in the headlights .

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land

I'm not sure where this negative SA comes from I thought they played most of the rugby today and they just defended Englands power game better than the other teams have done.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

"Watching the South African defence deal with a relentless attack from England 2m from SA line (around 66 minute ) was fantastic.

Had England anticipated the game may not go according to the script they expected, they wouldn’t have looked like rabbits in the headlights .

Yep agree on both points. That defence holding out was brilliant.

Watching England this morning did remind me of NZ a week earlier in terms of adapting to what's going on during the match.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that most of the kicking came from the English side. I actually don't remember a game where Faf passed down the line instead of endless box kicks.

To say that the Springboks "played for penalties" is also unfair. They ran in two tries whereas England got 100% of their points from penalties.

Naas Botha is very fond of saying "Finals aren't pretty". As for boring.... well if watching a world class scrum like that in action bores you there's always league and 7's....

When I complained about the ref someone on this forum said "no one really cares" I bet you care now

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I thought it was a fantastic game..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that most of the kicking came from the English side. I actually don't remember a game where Faf passed down the line instead of endless box kicks.

To say that the Springboks "played for penalties" is also unfair. They ran in two tries whereas England got 100% of their points from penalties.

Naas Botha is very fond of saying "Finals aren't pretty". As for boring.... well if watching a world class scrum like that in action bores you there's always league and 7's....

When I complained about the ref someone on this forum said "no one really cares" I bet you care now

Well said

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ork fellaMan
over a year ago

Macroom

Not been on the thread much today so my two pence worth. SA deserved the win today. England have come out of the world cup with probably their strongest team in a generation. Not bad. It was an enjoyable tournament but not from the point of view of supporting my own team Ireland. We were shockingly poor and have been for a year now. I am delighted for the SA coaching ticket to win that world cup today as many are former Munster men. My Team. So delighted for Felix Jones. Great story for him. Now has a winners medal after missing out on even playing in a world cup with Ireland.

Also just to say thanks Boldy for starting up this thread at the start.It's been very enjoyable chatting to all you rugby folk.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not been on the thread much today so my two pence worth. SA deserved the win today. England have come out of the world cup with probably their strongest team in a generation. Not bad. It was an enjoyable tournament but not from the point of view of supporting my own team Ireland. We were shockingly poor and have been for a year now. I am delighted for the SA coaching ticket to win that world cup today as many are former Munster men. My Team. So delighted for Felix Jones. Great story for him. Now has a winners medal after missing out on even playing in a world cup with Ireland.

Also just to say thanks Boldy for starting up this thread at the start.It's been very enjoyable chatting to all you rugby folk.

I second that. Thanks Boldy

What a gal

Please be nice to all the SA boys coming to your clubs. We leave them in your care

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev)

for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ork fellaMan
over a year ago

Macroom

Also just to say thanks Boldy for starting up this thread at the start.It's been very enjoyable chatting to all you rugby folk.

I second that. Thanks Boldy

What a gal

Please be nice to all the SA boys coming to your clubs. We leave them in your care

Yeah and when Munster send them back to South Africa they go and win the world cup for ye

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ork fellaMan
over a year ago

Macroom

"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev)

for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread

Sorry Trev. Forgot to mention you as well. Fair play man. Great thread to be part of

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev)

for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread

I did try and mail you earlier. Filters

Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev)

for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev)

for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread

I did try and mail you earlier. Filters

Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x"

I hope Trev likes his new name

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekend OP Man
over a year ago

here

"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev)

for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread

I did try and mail you earlier. Filters

Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x

I hope Trev likes his new name

I do believe he does

I’m thinking maybe time to change username ...

Triggerfingers

It’s not like folks would get the wrong idea, would they ??

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev)

for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread

I did try and mail you earlier. Filters

Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x

I hope Trev likes his new name

I do believe he does

I’m thinking maybe time to change username ...

Triggerfingers

It’s not like folks would get the wrong idea, would they ??

Pow pow

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

South Africa were clinical and efficient , our ball off the breakdown was too slow and often inaccurate so we had no momentum, couple that with such a dominant scrum and it was game over.

England have done fantastic and so proud but SA had the answers to their game plan from the start.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

South Africa did to England today what England did to New Zealand.

They were awesome.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

"South Africa did to England today what England did to New Zealand.

They were awesome.

Yep, absolutely and England failed to adapt and deal with it in the same way as NZ a week ago.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

England players refusing their silver medals eh?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes thank you Boldy and Trev (now known as trigger fingers Trev)

for creating the threads and keeping us entertained and informed, much love to all on the thread

I did try and mail you earlier. Filters

Looking forward to the 6Ns banter already lovely (lovely) x

I hope Trev likes his new name

Suits him

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed "

Apparently some people think they were!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I've seen the footage of the medals this morning.

What a pair of knobs doing that. Could of taken them off 10 seconds later and no one would of known.

I hope no kids think that's acceptable when finishing second.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"England peaked against the All Blacks and the message from Eddie and the England camp was that better was to come. They were too cocky and arrogant and thought they could turn up and win. At least Wales gave the Boks a game. England were like white rabbits in green headlights "
yeah well done

sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That wasn’t nice to see at all really...

On a lighter note:

I’ve been looking at some pics from the South African players celebrations and there is one of Faf De Klerk in a pair of South African flag speedos kissing the cup

Everyone else is of course dressed in theirs

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl"

You seriously laughing at that?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed

Apparently some people think they were!

Surely even the most one eyed English fan couldn't try and claim England were robbed?? They were totally outplayed and beaten fairly in ever aspect of the game. To say otherwise is embarrassing

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl

You seriously laughing at that?"

He's grasping at straws

It's quite comical

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

How can you win it one weekend and lose it the next?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed "
No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"How can you win it one weekend and lose it the next?"

That’s sport for ya

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed No it wasn't it just showed that they are not happy with second best and that attitude will stand them in good stead for the future.Personally i was happy to see that reaction but Im sure in years to come they will be proud to have made the final. "

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree

People need to stop making excuses for them

They are professionals and the way they come across off the field is as important as on it and they did themselves no favours whatsoever there and will now be remembered for the wrong reason, being poor losers.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed

Apparently some people think they were!

Surely even the most one eyed English fan couldn't try and claim England were robbed?? They were totally outplayed and beaten fairly in ever aspect of the game. To say otherwise is embarrassing

That's what I would have thought too. Was reading some articles this morning showing quite a few tweets about England being robbed by forward passes.

Couldn't believe it!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *reykiwi500Man
over a year ago

West Kent (near Tonbridge)

I agree

People need to stop making excuses for them

Totally agree with both of you.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Personally how you lose says a lot about you. Being disappointed with second is one thing. But in the spirit of the game, their fans, fellow countrymen and opponents it’s just petulant and disrespectful. Sorry nothing about that said gracious in defeat to me. "
Sorry cannot agree with you i dont see it as disrespectful not wearing a medal that says you are a loser.It would be not to accept it but can fully understand the players attitude as i expect their opponents do too.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

So your okay if kids start doing this at the end of the season in finals are you? (In all sports)

All in the name of showing a reaction?

How come NZ were so happy wearing theirs for finishing 3rd? They are used to winning the WC not finishing 2nd or even 3rd.

I firmly believe you have to learn how to accept defeat and be gracious in victory. Thank God England didn't win it based on that.

However. I've only seen two England players reject their medals. 10 seconds later, not on TV cameras, no/less harm done

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

So your okay if kids start doing this at the end of the season in finals are you? (In all sports)

All in the name of showing a reaction?

How come NZ were so happy wearing theirs for finishing 3rd? They are used to winning the WC not finishing 2nd or even 3rd.

I firmly believe you have to learn how to accept defeat and be gracious in victory. Thank God England didn't win it based on that.

However. I've only seen two England players reject their medals. 10 seconds later, not on TV cameras, no/less harm done"
Mate you wouldnt have wanted them to win anyway so dont give me that crap.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

So your okay if kids start doing this at the end of the season in finals are you? (In all sports)

All in the name of showing a reaction?

How come NZ were so happy wearing theirs for finishing 3rd? They are used to winning the WC not finishing 2nd or even 3rd.

I firmly believe you have to learn how to accept defeat and be gracious in victory. Thank God England didn't win it based on that.

However. I've only seen two England players reject their medals. 10 seconds later, not on TV cameras, no/less harm doneMate you wouldnt have wanted them to win anyway so dont give me that crap.

Can you explain what you mean?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl"

Remind me how much South Africa beat Wales by? 3 points wasn’t it?

How much did they beat England by? 20 points wasn’t it?

Hmmmm

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

If they can’t stand being second they’re going to have to seriously up their gamemanship or they will have disappointing International career ahead of them.

How often do they actually win stuff?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally how you lose says a lot about you. Being disappointed with second is one thing. But in the spirit of the game, their fans, fellow countrymen and opponents it’s just petulant and disrespectful. Sorry nothing about that said gracious in defeat to me. Sorry cannot agree with you i dont see it as disrespectful not wearing a medal that says you are a loser.It would be not to accept it but can fully understand the players attitude as i expect their opponents do too."

I’m not going to continue this argument but you obviously haven’t paid much attention to who England was playing. Go read a little about Siya and what he has said leading up to this final, about coming from a background where his biggest worry was where his next meal was coming from to being captain of South Africa at a World Cup. Even if they lost they wouldn’t have understood that mentality at all...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl

Remind me how much South Africa beat Wales by? 3 points wasn’t it?

How much did they beat England by? 20 points wasn’t it?

Hmmmm

"
I am not arguing about the result England were totally outplayed yesterday and SA fully deserve to win.You cannot compare one game one week with another the next week though it just sounds like welsh anti English sour grapes to me.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

This thread should have ended when we all said thank you to Boldy and Trev, it’s over stop arguing mute points that aren’t going to change anything.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That wasn’t nice to see at all really...

On a lighter note:

I’ve been looking at some pics from the South African players celebrations and there is one of Faf De Klerk in a pair of South African flag speedos kissing the cup

Everyone else is of course dressed in theirs "

Said photo is the best photo of the tournament

Simply brilliant. Tiny pants.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That wasn’t nice to see at all really...

On a lighter note:

I’ve been looking at some pics from the South African players celebrations and there is one of Faf De Klerk in a pair of South African flag speedos kissing the cup

Everyone else is of course dressed in theirs

Said photo is the best photo of the tournament

Simply brilliant. Tiny pants. "

made my day

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread should have ended when we all said thank you to Boldy and Trev, it’s over stop arguing mute points that aren’t going to change anything. "

Fully agree with this

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The two SA tries were absolutely brilliant to watch and the try count 2-0 underlined the Bok superiority. Warren Garland warned that after the New Zealand semi final that teams often drop off in performance. Eddie kindly reminded Warren to enjoy his 3rd place play off. Although they did not win the Grand Slam last time out they saw themselves as world champions elect in my view. Teams who are not humble in defeat often crumble because they cannot believe or accept what is happening to them. They were systematically taken apart ....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?

It could be the very best Olympics ever.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I think England’s final was against New Zealand and they couldn’t hit those heights again a week later South Africa stuck to their game plan and it paid off.My rugby knowledge is not the best so perhaps the more knowledge can help me out I know their are discipline issues but couldn’t Danny Ciparati and Chris Ashton improved the starting 15 If they had been selected in the squad in the first place.Is Danny too wild to tame ?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?

It could be the very best Olympics ever.

And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"The two SA tries were absolutely brilliant to watch and the try count 2-0 underlined the Bok superiority. Warren Garland warned that after the New Zealand semi final that teams often drop off in performance. Eddie kindly reminded Warren to enjoy his 3rd place play off. Although they did not win the Grand Slam last time out they saw themselves as world champions elect in my view. Teams who are not humble in defeat often crumble because they cannot believe or accept what is happening to them. They were systematically taken apart ...."

Word

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?

It could be the very best Olympics ever.

And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride... "

Sorry, I don't understand?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?

It could be the very best Olympics ever.

And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...

Sorry, I don't understand?"

I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?

It could be the very best Olympics ever.

And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...

Sorry, I don't understand?

I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...

But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.

We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.

I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.

Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.

I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?

It could be the very best Olympics ever.

And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...

Sorry, I don't understand?

I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...

But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.

We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.

I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.

Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.

I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje."

Pretty much all bar one player had their medals off before the coaching staff had got theirs on. Those two got caught on camera as they were handed them, unfortunately they'll be the ones that get most of the blame.

If honour and respect are your thing, then surely you're supposed to keep them on till you get to the dressing rooms? At the very least till South Africa got their Golds.

So much for rugby players respecting the referees?

I'd have thought if the ref were that biased, which I'm not sure he was.. then it'd have been better to do it formally, after the World Cup is fully over? Put a case together rather than sulk like petulant brats?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread is starting to hurt my eyes now.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?

It could be the very best Olympics ever.

And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...

Sorry, I don't understand?

I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...

But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.

We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.

I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.

Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.

I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje.

If honour and respect are your thing, then surely you're supposed to keep them on till you get to the dressing rooms? At the very least till South Africa got their Golds.

So much for rugby players respecting the referees?

Oh okay this sheds new light on it for me. I honestly thought it was just those two. I've seen one clip of the ceremony. Perhaps a team decision? Doubt it though.

Was it a protest against the ref?

Was he that bad?

I always coach my players that no matter how many mistakes the ref makes, the players will always make more.

I still think football could learn from rugby and other sports in regards to respecting the ref.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?

It could be the very best Olympics ever.

And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...

Sorry, I don't understand?

I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...

But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.

We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.

I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.

Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.

I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje."

If there is any apology it will be generated from the PR machine. I am not sure that an apology is needed. It is what is it. I am sure the SA don't give a toss and more inclined to think Japanese people may raise an eyebrow. To put it in context. If Japan had got that medal can you imagine the pride and happy faces. It was about England expectation and the arrogance of the turn up and win mentality which worked against them once again.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Olympics are out in Japan next year. If we all agree that they have done a superb job with Rugby, how good are they going go be putting on all the other sports for us to enjoy?

It could be the very best Olympics ever.

And that is a sport where very few refuse to wear their medals with pride...

Sorry, I don't understand?

I meant that it would surprise me to see an athlete reusing to wear their medal on the podium. Yes it has happened and I remember the black power salutes ...

But that's for political reasons not being a sore fanny.

We know how much the Japanese regard honour and values.

I happened to see part of The One Show Friday night. They had Sinkler's ex PE teacher on saying how humble and respectfull etc he is.

Good on him btw for reaching the very top, almost, and coming from a public school, hard area background and staying on the right path.

I imagine he will come out and apologise for his rash decision same goes for Otoje.

Completely agree. See above: Look how happy NZ were with 3rd place medals.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *heBirminghamWeekend OP Man
over a year ago

here

"This thread is starting to hurt my eyes now.

- I’m out

Ice bath done, muscles reconditioned, it’s been a ball.

Loads more actual rugby to follow

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread is starting to hurt my eyes now.

- I’m out

Ice bath done, muscles reconditioned, it’s been a ball.

Loads more actual rugby to follow

Look forward to Munster creaming Edinburgh

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

To be honest I just think the medal thing was a manifestation of how humiliated they were.

In some ways I blame the biased English Press. Read back last week's reports and no wonder they believed there own publicity. It's like spoiling a child and constantly telling him he is the best then that spoilt child cannot deal with failure imo

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So we're only allowed to talk about the games themselves on this thread? Nothing related? Can't talk about majority of Home Nations fans disrespect and strong dislike of England team, can't talk about medals ceremony.. Just rosie rugby, nuffin else? No hard feelings?

I guess I'm out as well then

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago

North Norfolk area

sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl

Remind me how much South Africa beat Wales by? 3 points wasn’t it?

How much did they beat England by? 20 points wasn’t it?

Hmmmm

I am not arguing about the result England were totally outplayed yesterday and SA fully deserve to win.You cannot compare one game one week with another the next week though it just sounds like welsh anti English sour grapes to me.

Agree totally about not comparing one week to another, different tactics and pressures come into play in a final....not least of which from the media! (without meaning to add fuel to the fire but, when have Wales ever experienced the pressures of a World Cup final!!)

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"To be honest I just think the medal thing was a manifestation of how humiliated they were.

While I think a lot of people here and elsewhere thought all England had to do was turn up and catch the ball I don't think the players felt like that.

With such a big background team of staff with professional sport, I don't think players are allowed to share the same mindset as press and supporters.

Other than Clive Woodwood I didn't see any other kind of sense spoken in the build up. He kind of suggested England would get steam rolled.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

sorry what colour was wales medal ? Oh that’s right they didn’t get one pmsl

Remind me how much South Africa beat Wales by? 3 points wasn’t it?

How much did they beat England by? 20 points wasn’t it?

Hmmmm

We haven't. I don't think we are supposed to. There's only 3.5M living here to start off with.

However, I don't think there would be that much pressure. I'd like to think we'd turn up and enjoy it.

Can you imagine us in a final

omg how amazing would that be.

7 days is a huge amount of time in sport. I use Southampton FC as a very fresh example of this.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago

North Norfolk area

"Not wearing their medals was petulant and childish. It was not as if they were robbed

Apparently some people think they were!

Surely even the most one eyed English fan couldn't try and claim England were robbed?? They were totally outplayed and beaten fairly in ever aspect of the game. To say otherwise is embarrassing

That's what I would have thought too. Was reading some articles this morning showing quite a few tweets about England being robbed by forward passes.

Couldn't believe it!"

No problem with the result, we were playing catch up from early on, any optimism I had had gone at half time.

There was one, possibly two, forward passes in the first try. About half a yard forward, I think it was Marx and his hands definitely went forward in the pass. How it wasn't seen in the review I don't know.

HOWEVER, no way did that affect the overall result, SA deserved to win, no question about it.

Onwards to France 2023

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.

Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cummon guys! England have won the Cricket World cup and come second in the Rugby World Cup. That's not nothing! It's so hard for a team to put their best performance week in and week out. England played out of their skins to clean up the All Blacks in what I thought was the game of the tournament.

Chins up! You've got a hell of a lot to be proud of!

PS does anyone know wherw you can buy Springbok budgie smugglers? Faf has started something and I want to get ahead of fashion for once

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Agreed. The England and Wales Cricket Board led the way.

Nothing to be ashamed of coming second. Wear those medals with pride.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.

Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased "

You are suggesting they are bigger fans of themselves than they are of the team?

Good luck putting that suggestion to any of them lol

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

That is exactly what I am suggesting. I listened to interviews with top England strikers who were on the bench saying that they hoped that those replacing them did not score. A strikers instinct..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've thought long and hard before posting this.

Should Jerome Garces be excluded from officiating at any future games?

I don't think I'm saying it in a biased way and certainly not saying it has really affected the outcome of any games.

You have to play the officials as well as the opposition, same applies to all.

He is just shit though isn't he?

He misses so much, gets in obstructive positions rather than the right position and almost never refers to the TMO, supporting officials or anyone who may have had a better view than him?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

You do not have to play the officials at all. Struggling teams say this. You play the whistle and the rules of the game..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I've thought long and hard before posting this.

Should Jerome Garces be excluded from officiating at any future games?

I don't think I'm saying it in a biased way and certainly not saying it has really affected the outcome of any games.

You have to play the officials as well as the opposition, same applies to all.

He is just shit though isn't he?

He misses so much, gets in obstructive positions rather than the right position and almost never refers to the TMO, supporting officials or anyone who may have had a better view than him?

No. Invest more training and experience in him to help improve his game.

If he was the ref for Wales V SA, I thought he missed a few.

But isn't that to the video refs as well?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *rimtonMan
over a year ago

Bromley

"I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.

Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased

You are suggesting they are bigger fans of themselves than they are of the team?

Good luck putting that suggestion to any of them lol"

Well put it this way- one group of players have the legend status that goes with being the only England team to win the wc.

So I’d take that as a starting point

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

In the England v New Zealand game I saw the England captain Farrel forever trying to argue with Mr Nigel Owen the referee. He was having none of it and rightly so.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.

Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased

You are suggesting they are bigger fans of themselves than they are of the team?

Good luck putting that suggestion to any of them lol

Well put it this way- one group of players have the legend status that goes with being the only England team to win the wc.

So I’d take that as a starting point "

I agree and they were awesome sweeping all before them. These recent clowns never even won the last 6 nations but cast themselves as favourites

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

In fact it was Wales who won the last 6 nations with a grand slam and beat England in the last pre world cup friendly..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've thought long and hard before posting this.

Should Jerome Garces be excluded from officiating at any future games?

I don't think I'm saying it in a biased way and certainly not saying it has really affected the outcome of any games.

You have to play the officials as well as the opposition, same applies to all.

He is just shit though isn't he?

He misses so much, gets in obstructive positions rather than the right position and almost never refers to the TMO, supporting officials or anyone who may have had a better view than him?

No. Invest more training and experience in him to help improve his game.

If he was the ref for Wales V SA, I thought he missed a few.

But isn't that to the video refs as well?

He was the ref for the semi final between Wales and South Africa...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Exactly..play the whistle not the ref

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Exactly..play the whistle not the ref "

So shite and unqualified people should be in charge and not questioned? If someone is not up to the quality required, understand rules and interpret them well then we should just accept the mediocrity?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Exactly..play the whistle not the ref

Hahaha.. these are the best refs in the world supported by Video ...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I would be interested to think what the England world cup winning coaching staff and players really think. It keeps them going as commentators etc.

Had England won this cup then a new generation of younger ones would have taken over. I wonder if secretly some of them are pleased

You are suggesting they are bigger fans of themselves than they are of the team?

Good luck putting that suggestion to any of them lol

Well put it this way- one group of players have the legend status that goes with being the only England team to win the wc.

So I’d take that as a starting point

I agree and they were awesome sweeping all before them. These recent clowns never even won the last 6 nations but cast themselves as favourites"
They didnt cast themselves as favourites the world rankings did, you really are a bitter person and guess you are probably more a football man than rugby by what you post on here.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Exactly..play the whistle not the ref

Hahaha.. these are the best refs in the world supported by Video ..."

Did you read the rules that apply to when and how video evidence can be used?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Bitter ?

I am ecstatic.. the team I wanted to win delivered..

They thrashed the colonials and I am so happy, not bitter, I celebrate.. South Africa won

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am repeating myself a bit here but if you watch the video on YouTube that is over (6 minutes long) of Jerome's blunders in the SA vs Nz game you wonder how he is allowed to ref anything.

Consider that the game is only 80 minutes in length and then, stop, start my nature. 6 minutes is a HUGE proportion of the time to be making mistakes. Especially since it probably only take a few decisions to swing a victory into a loss.

My feeling is that Jerome felt like the spotlight was on him for not blowing up scrum infringements and over compensated the other way. The same for bias against SA. He was so worried about being accused of bias against SA he was biased against England.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So England lost because of the referee.

I understand now

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So England lost because of the referee.

I understand now"

I wouldn't say that. I would say that a referee of this calibre should not be in RWC reffing pools. It is almost as if World Rugby deliberately SEEKS the free advertising that comes with a controversial ref. It creates the hype that fills seats and imcreases the value of TV rights.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's a conspiracy theory..

The ref won the world cup for South Africa.. startling news..

I am naive.. Ok previously believed it was because they outplayed them

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So to increase revenue from TV rights the Authorities appoint a useless referee.. really ?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jesus wept

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If he exists then yes he did..

England were shot like white fish in a green barrel and it's the refs fault.

OMG

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the plus side we do have A World Champion this weekend. Nice one Lewis

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Well done Lewis...

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Lewis came second and accepted his trophy with pride

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If only the Englanders did the same

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So to increase revenue from TV rights the Authorities appoint a useless referee.. really ?

Controversy generates interest.

Ten years ago the South African government was accused of corruption. Everyone called the accusers conspiracy theorists. Today the president of that government is being charged with "State Capture" estimated at a cost of R500 billion (possibly as much as a trillion). Imagine if that money had been ploughed into uplifting the poor, reviving the economy etc?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"So to increase revenue from TV rights the Authorities appoint a useless referee.. really ?

Controversy generates interest.

And do England lose as a consequence.... Great theory..

Not only lose.. got stuffed

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"So to increase revenue from TV rights the Authorities appoint a useless referee.. really ?

Controversy generates interest.

Imagine if that was plowed into rugby..

England would have been thrashed by more points

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

England were completely outplayed in a number of areas and couldn’t come close to matching SA for strength..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like to think that England gave their everything against the All Blacks and had nothing left in the tank for South Africa.

England hold your heads up high. You didn't just beat the All Blacks, you gave them a lesson in rugby. Nobody can say that, not even the South Africans. I know it would have been nice to win both the cricket and the rugby but second isn't nothing either. Can't win em all.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ORDERMANMan
over a year ago

wrexham

One game too many for England..

Unlike soccer world cups in rugby it's the more astute teams that goes furthest.. SA had a job and they did it..

Other pointers we welsh must rue only losing by 3pts..

Also following their performances surely it must be only time before Japan are invited to join southern hemisphere championship..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

Post new Message to Thread