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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

...in a unborn baby?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

When you start living it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends on your view

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham


"Depends on your view "

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage


"...in a unborn baby?"

Define life?

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows


"...in a unborn baby?"

My opinion

At conception

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By *orthantsblueeyesMan
over a year ago

Northampton


"Depends on your view "

Yep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 27/10/19 11:08:19]"

It starts Tuesday 5th Nov 6pm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 27/10/19 11:08:19]

It starts Tuesday 5th Nov 6pm"

That’s my mums birthday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 27/10/19 11:08:19]

It starts Tuesday 5th Nov 6pm

That’s my mums birthday"

And mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 27/10/19 11:08:19]

It starts Tuesday 5th Nov 6pm

That’s my mums birthday

And mine "

Congratulations on being born

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!

But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

42?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"...in a unborn baby?"

Oh....I read that wrong.

For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.

We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!

But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg! "

My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.

But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 27/10/19 11:08:19]

It starts Tuesday 5th Nov 6pm

That’s my mums birthday

And mine

Congratulations on being born"

Mais oui

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By *queegeeMan
over a year ago

northampton

A living dog is better than a dead lion.. life is life ... let's celebrate it!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A living dog is better than a dead lion.. life is life ... let's celebrate it!!!"

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

To be honest life never really begins or ends when it comes to reproduction. Sperms and eggs are living cells. If they don't meet they die but if they do meet they form another living cell which then replicates itself. However when something stops being a bunch of living cells and becomes a sentient being is a bit more complicated. An embryo technically has a heartbeat before it has formed a heart and way before that heart is in any way sustaining it. Also nobody really knows at which point in the formation of the brain we become aware. It's certainly a very interesting question.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I heard it on the telly. A very important question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...in a unborn baby?

Oh....I read that wrong.

For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.

We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me. "

Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't think it begins until quite late on in a pregnancy and have good reason (which I'm not about to go in to) to believe that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...in a unborn baby?

Oh....I read that wrong.

For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.

We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.

Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it "

Medical definition of death:

"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."

So yes.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I heard it on the telly. A very important question."

Do you mean sentient life?

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

As soon as u take yr first breath

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I heard it on the telly. A very important question.

Do you mean sentient life?"

Yes.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Meh, another round in the culture wars

Here's your thought for the day:

Confucius once said “We all have two lives, the second one starts when you realise you only have one”.

I hope we are all on our second life.

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

At conception.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I heard it on the telly. A very important question.

Do you mean sentient life?

Yes."

Ok. Then I think it's certainly not present at about 8 weeks into a pregnancy.

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By *omesticated_VixenWoman
over a year ago

sw London


"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!

But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg!

My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.

But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out "

They call s natural miscarriage anatutal abortion which I found out and made them change the records to miscarriage. But from conception

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

When there is the ability to survive outside the body of another.

Prior to that life hasn't begun for that entity; it is part of another being.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!

But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg!

My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.

But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out

They call s natural miscarriage anatutal abortion which I found out and made them change the records to miscarriage. But from conception "

I made them change it as well. I went to the doctors shortly after and was offered support for my abortion. Nope nope nope. Nobody warned me it would be noted as an abortion either

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"...in a unborn baby?

Oh....I read that wrong.

For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.

We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.

Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it

Medical definition of death:

"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."

So yes."

It's more to do with the brain's ability to sustain breathing and heartbeat. Hence why we turn off life support for a technically still "living" person as once you are brain dead you are in effect dead. You can keep the body technically alive by keeping the heart and lungs working but you could do the same to a heart and lungs you have taken from a body but it would not be a living being.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...in a unborn baby?

Oh....I read that wrong.

For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.

We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.

Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it

Medical definition of death:

"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."

So yes.

It's more to do with the brain's ability to sustain breathing and heartbeat. Hence why we turn off life support for a technically still "living" person as once you are brain dead you are in effect dead. You can keep the body technically alive by keeping the heart and lungs working but you could do the same to a heart and lungs you have taken from a body but it would not be a living being."

So if you were to turn off whichever machine a person was connected to, and that person's brain was unable to continue the necessary functions by itself, that's death?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"...in a unborn baby?

Oh....I read that wrong.

For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.

We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.

Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it

Medical definition of death:

"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."

So yes.

It's more to do with the brain's ability to sustain breathing and heartbeat. Hence why we turn off life support for a technically still "living" person as once you are brain dead you are in effect dead. You can keep the body technically alive by keeping the heart and lungs working but you could do the same to a heart and lungs you have taken from a body but it would not be a living being."

This

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"...in a unborn baby?

Oh....I read that wrong.

For me it's when the heart starts beating. Up to then it's an accumulation of cells.

We determine death as when the heart stops beating so makes sense to me.

Do we really?? So heart stops and that's it

Medical definition of death:

"The traditional definition of death in the UK and other European countries rested on the irreversible cessation of an individual's breathing and heartbeat. On the basis of the confirmed and persistent absence of these vital signs a person would be declared dead."

So yes.

It's more to do with the brain's ability to sustain breathing and heartbeat. Hence why we turn off life support for a technically still "living" person as once you are brain dead you are in effect dead. You can keep the body technically alive by keeping the heart and lungs working but you could do the same to a heart and lungs you have taken from a body but it would not be a living being.

So if you were to turn off whichever machine a person was connected to, and that person's brain was unable to continue the necessary functions by itself, that's death?"

It depends. Sometimes you need to keep people on life support to allow their organs or brain time to recover. If you switched those machines off prematurely they would die.

You can remain alive for a short amount of time with no heart and lungs as long as they are quickly restored/transplanted before you become brain dead but once your brain totally loses the ability to keep your heart and lungs working, there is no coming back from that.

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!

But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg!

My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.

But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out "

Yeah me too! When I had my oldest I wasn’t married/in a steady relationship like you - I split up with the father before discovering my pregnancy! However, I was healthy and 22 - just about old enough to be a ‘decent’ mum (ie I’d had a few years of nights out/holidays with friends etc so didn’t harbour resentment against the baby!). It wasn’t easy but I couldn’t have lived with myself if I’d aborted! She went on the get a first in maths and she’s now a tax consultant! I work in a shop!

Your ‘friend’ had no right to give you such a hard time when you needed love and support - not condemnation!

I’m sorry you lost a child - but delighted you’ve had the opportunity to become a mum.

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

I think you'll find the judicial service have been pondering this one for decades.

Not sure of your motive for thread, but I find it tasteless

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"I think you'll find the judicial service have been pondering this one for decades.

Not sure of your motive for thread, but I find it tasteless"

Absolutely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!

But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg!

My friend kicked up a huge fuss because I share your view point, but when I miscarried on my wedding day I needed surgery (essentially an abortion) because the baby had died but my body wouldn’t naturally miscarry and it was really dangerous. She’s totally against abortion and was really upset when I chose to abort my dead baby.

But OP yes, I believe it begins at conception. I found out I was pregnant at three weeks and made many positive lifestyle changes as soon as I found out

They call s natural miscarriage anatutal abortion which I found out and made them change the records to miscarriage. But from conception

I made them change it as well. I went to the doctors shortly after and was offered support for my abortion. Nope nope nope. Nobody warned me it would be noted as an abortion either"

That's horrendous. Glad they changed it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you'll find the judicial service have been pondering this one for decades.

Not sure of your motive for thread, but I find it tasteless"

Why do you find it tasteless?

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

I thought life began at 40

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To me - from the moment it’s conceived - hence I’m anti-abortion for reasons of ‘convenience’ (ie it’s not the right time in my career/we haven’t bought a house yet etc etc) - but I’m not anti abortion in circumstances like r*pe, a one night stand if you don’t feel ‘fit’ to be a parent, potential abnormalities in the child, underage or ‘overage’ pregnancy etc etc!

But yeah - to me it begins when a sperm fertilises an egg! "

This. It was suggested I abort my baby when I was pregnant at 18 There was no chance I was going to. I had him at 19 and he's the best thing to ever happen to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After 24 weeks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When it can live outside the womb.

But I don’t think the potential life of a child supersedes the life of the alive and existent parent who has to host that body and all that goes with it. Risk of illness, death, pain, job loss, financial, school, marriage issues.

It’s not up to us to judge what other people do. A decision to abort is not taken lightly, it is never used instead of a condom, it is serious and the weight of it can’t be forgotten as the steps to get there are not easy. I don’t know anyone who’s not been impacted in some way by having one.

Basically it’s a mind your own business subject.

If abortion gets someone out of depression, helplessness, quitting school, facing judgment that seems unbearable, a bad relationship, domestic violence, terror of caring for a child with additional needs, etc, I support it. I support the right to choose abortion as it’s not easy and not up to me to sit judgementally looking at others lives.

A friend of mine had what some would class as “abortion” it was elective and at 24 weeks, right to lifers would say it was horrible. Her baby had no brain. Impacting the right to choose would mean she’d carry a baby to term who had a heart beat and could breathe simply because it was attached to her body. She’d have to face people asking her about her baby, the baby who was guaranteed to die, and all of the pain afterwards of people asking where her baby was. Fuck that. Her pain ended 4.5 months earlier and she was able to recover from her sadness. Later abortions are often not a choice and early ones are a loaded decision.

Until you walk in someone’s shoes don’t judge their right to choose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When you find the right woman.....

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"After 24 weeks "

Why 24? Many babies are born before and survive.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I think you'll find the judicial service have been pondering this one for decades.

Not sure of your motive for thread, but I find it tasteless"

There's nothing tasteless about the thread.

In fact I'm pleased that the majority of posters have answered the question in a thoughtful and polite manner.

Personally, I think life begins at birth or when a child can survive outside the womb.

I am a strong advocate for abortion but do not think it is something that any woman decides to go ahead with lightly.

Nita

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you'll find the judicial service have been pondering this one for decades.

Not sure of your motive for thread, but I find it tasteless"

Why tasteless? It's one of those BIG questions that divides a lot of people. The question isn't tasteless, it's the thoughtless reactions that can be.. in an ideal world each life is sacred from conception, only the world isn't ideal.. if the kickback on my utopia threads is anything to go by?

Society is tasteless, we're just the everyday people trying to make sense of it all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At 50 for me

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Conception.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"After 24 weeks

Why 24? Many babies are born before and survive."

It is based on when the child is deemed viable, guidance on reducing this to 22 weeks has recently been given.

Legally if a child is still born at 24 weeks or after it must be registered, any time before that, it is not registered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me it's conception also, but I recognise a couples right to terminate at a certain stage. Life is tough enough as it is, no need to make it impossible with a mother and father who don't want you, for whatever reasons.

Why we don't invest more in sexual education, ignoring the parental fundamentalists who oppose it at every turn, is beyond me! Invest more money into the children who make it, so that there are less who don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When it can live outside the womb.

But I don’t think the potential life of a child supersedes the life of the alive and existent parent who has to host that body and all that goes with it. Risk of illness, death, pain, job loss, financial, school, marriage issues.

It’s not up to us to judge what other people do. A decision to abort is not taken lightly, it is never used instead of a condom, it is serious and the weight of it can’t be forgotten as the steps to get there are not easy. I don’t know anyone who’s not been impacted in some way by having one.

Basically it’s a mind your own business subject.

If abortion gets someone out of depression, helplessness, quitting school, facing judgment that seems unbearable, a bad relationship, domestic violence, terror of caring for a child with additional needs, etc, I support it. I support the right to choose abortion as it’s not easy and not up to me to sit judgementally looking at others lives.

A friend of mine had what some would class as “abortion” it was elective and at 24 weeks, right to lifers would say it was horrible. Her baby had no brain. Impacting the right to choose would mean she’d carry a baby to term who had a heart beat and could breathe simply because it was attached to her body. She’d have to face people asking her about her baby, the baby who was guaranteed to die, and all of the pain afterwards of people asking where her baby was. Fuck that. Her pain ended 4.5 months earlier and she was able to recover from her sadness. Later abortions are often not a choice and early ones are a loaded decision.

Until you walk in someone’s shoes don’t judge their right to choose. "

Excellent response, nobody has the right to judge others until they walk in those shoes.

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