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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets??" Is it not the cost of insurance, that scares Sainsburys? | |||
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"Yes I think fireworks should only be for organised displays and not sold in shops, it goes on for weeks before and after November 5th round here people letting off fireworks all evening and sometimes quite late at night and terrifies my pets and again at new year " Agreed | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets??" yes I agree. Its time fireworks were restricted to organised displays. Too many dodgy retailers still selling them willy nilly to anyone. And since when did bonfire start in the middle of October. They've been going off here for weeks now. | |||
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"In my village, drug dealers use fireworks to let other people know they're stocked up True story" Don`t they have instantgram in your village? | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets??" This popped up the other day. I agree with the none selling fireworks to the public for many reasons. Scaring family pets is just one of them. Scare family pets Scare wildlife Cause a fair bit of damage and litter Scare people who are vulnerable, older people, veterans, people with ptsd They are an explosive. There have been quite a few incidents (every year in fact) of people having them put through their letter box. Recently a house was destroyed from the damage it caused. Locally the other day there were teenagers causing chaos near a kids play area setting off fireworks and aiming them toward the play area. | |||
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"In my village, drug dealers use fireworks to let other people know they're stocked up True story" Happens here too. | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets??" but selling booze to people that can lead to domestic violence is ok? | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets??" YES!! But not *just* for that reason. They are just downright dangerous and the noise is fucking antisocial. And I struggle to justify the idea of selling explosives to the general public. At all. | |||
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"In my village, drug dealers use fireworks to let other people know they're stocked up True story Don`t they have instantgram in your village?" | |||
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"To be honest, and this won't be popular, I think that for kids to mess around with fireworks as all my friends did when I was a child is as much a rite of passage as feeding the ducks. We used to throw bangers, make banger guns from copper pipes, shoulder launched bazooka rockets and mix up powders to make bigger explosions. Yes it was dangerous by today's standards but wholly accepted then. We would never harm an animal but ambush each other. It's only for a short period every year.. I feel sorry for pets but our activities were on beaches and in fields and woods away from homes.. the main culprits here are adults firing off in gardens with little respect for neighbours .." Kids these days (in general, not all) have so much less respect for people's safety than years ago. See above for a perfect example. Also to add on to what I said, the amount of animals a few local vets by me have seen because fireworks have been fired at them, or even worse tied to. There was a cat that had a firework attached to its fucking tail and set off. I will gladly be standing alone and have everyone point and laugh and mock me for being a boring killjoy because I have some compassion for animals and other vulnerable people - all at the expense of getting rid of a few flashy lights and bangs (that are far from pretty in the hands of none professionals). | |||
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"Do they do the same for Diwali?" Pretty much,but they draw the line at frightening cows.. | |||
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"Do they do the same for Diwali?" I wish they would, and new year. Couldn't give a flying fuck about the reason. Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P | |||
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"Do they do the same for Diwali? Pretty much,but they draw the line at frightening cows.." | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets?? Is it not the cost of insurance, that scares Sainsburys?" Quite probably and it's just a bit of positive spin that they put on it. That said, the harder it is for the irresponsible, the inept and the stupid to get their hands on fire works the better. As far as I am concerned it's a positive decision and hopefully one that the rest will follow suit on. | |||
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"Do they do the same for Diwali? I wish they would, and new year. Couldn't give a flying fuck about the reason. Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P" Indeed, all holidays and occasions. What is it with people thinking its anti bonfire night? When it's anti firework regardless of when they are used. | |||
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"Did you know, up until 1959, it was illegal NOT to celebrate Bonfire Night in Britain" Yes. Surprised the extinction rebellion have not yet jumped onto bonfire night yet though. The smoke pollution lingers for days. It's time we called it global warming night. We must cause more pollution through unregulated bonfires burning all manner of toxic substances in one night than the other 364 nights combined. | |||
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"Did you know, up until 1959, it was illegal NOT to celebrate Bonfire Night in Britain Yes. Surprised the extinction rebellion have not yet jumped onto bonfire night yet though. The smoke pollution lingers for days. It's time we called it global warming night. We must cause more pollution through unregulated bonfires burning all manner of toxic substances in one night than the other 364 nights combined." My point exactly | |||
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"Guy fawkes has an island named after him Resting to the North-West of Santa Cruz Island in the Galapagos Islands is the uninhabited island, named Isla Guy Fawkes, or Guy Fawkes Island. To this today, no one knows why the island claimed the name" What makes it particularly odd is that "Guy" Guido Fawkes wasn't the ringleader but one of the fall guys, yet no one remembers the names of anyone else involved. | |||
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"Guy fawkes has an island named after him Resting to the North-West of Santa Cruz Island in the Galapagos Islands is the uninhabited island, named Isla Guy Fawkes, or Guy Fawkes Island. To this today, no one knows why the island claimed the name" Well the Galapagos islands were first claimed by spanish colonists. And considering that the Spanish sponsored the assassination attempt that guy fawkes was executed for it stands to reason that they might name an island after him. | |||
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"The Madness of King George. The film was called this because the film company believed that if were called the Madness of King George III Then Americans would think it was a sequel to I and II." Just like Shakespeare's Richard III | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P" Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you... | |||
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"The Madness of King George. The film was called this because the film company believed that if were called the Madness of King George III Then Americans would think it was a sequel to I and II. Just like Shakespeare's Richard III" I think Shakespeare wrote that just before movies got sound... | |||
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"I think that fireworks should only be sold as part of organised displays. After seeing someone with their hair on fire after being hit by one I kind of changed my view on it. " | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you..." agreed. | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you..." Hardly call it a national festival lol . What of the many elderly people , the damage to nature ,the animals injured ,not just dogs , the irresponsiblity of youths handling fireworks . Official displays are the way forward for me | |||
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"And the organised display where the smog caused a horrific pileup on the main road " Firework display held at the side of the M5 . More reason to have official displays licensed | |||
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"Guy fawkes has an island named after him Resting to the North-West of Santa Cruz Island in the Galapagos Islands is the uninhabited island, named Isla Guy Fawkes, or Guy Fawkes Island. To this today, no one knows why the island claimed the name What makes it particularly odd is that "Guy" Guido Fawkes wasn't the ringleader but one of the fall guys, yet no one remembers the names of anyone else involved." Robert catesby comes straight to mind | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you..." If pets being scared was the only single issue with fireworks I'd say fair enough yes. However it's more than just pets as others have pointed out with solid reasons, and the national "festival" (bit if a push calling it that) that you speak of is meant to be a single night. But it's not just a single night because there are twats (and there are many of them) out there that have been setting them off since the start of October (not even in the same month!) and they will continue to be set off periodically until in to the new year. | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you... agreed. " Completely agree, however when choosing a place to live you could avoid living next to somewhere that had organised displays if you desired, much like I did. When fireworks start going off in the street and your beloved pet goes into meltdown it's no fun. In fact it's pretty fucking horrific. Pets ARE part of the family, regardless of how some people view them and I wouldn't subject my child to torment so why would I subject my other family member to it. You avoid it at all costs as best as you can. Pets are far more than luxuries, they provide companionship for people of all ages, they teach children how to be responsible, they provide love and support and in my own case, saved my life. A pet is there all year round. A firework can provide none of the above. P | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you... agreed. Completely agree, however when choosing a place to live you could avoid living next to somewhere that had organised displays if you desired, much like I did. When fireworks start going off in the street and your beloved pet goes into meltdown it's no fun. In fact it's pretty fucking horrific. Pets ARE part of the family, regardless of how some people view them and I wouldn't subject my child to torment so why would I subject my other family member to it. You avoid it at all costs as best as you can. Pets are far more than luxuries, they provide companionship for people of all ages, they teach children how to be responsible, they provide love and support and in my own case, saved my life. A pet is there all year round. A firework can provide none of the above. P" Round of Applause for this | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you... agreed. Completely agree, however when choosing a place to live you could avoid living next to somewhere that had organised displays if you desired, much like I did. When fireworks start going off in the street and your beloved pet goes into meltdown it's no fun. In fact it's pretty fucking horrific. Pets ARE part of the family, regardless of how some people view them and I wouldn't subject my child to torment so why would I subject my other family member to it. You avoid it at all costs as best as you can. Pets are far more than luxuries, they provide companionship for people of all ages, they teach children how to be responsible, they provide love and support and in my own case, saved my life. A pet is there all year round. A firework can provide none of the above. P Round of Applause for this " Indeed! Fully agree. | |||
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"yet the problems booze and tobacco cause but no signs of those being withdrawn? this a publicity stunt and theyll bring them back eventually i think " It’s not quite the same thing though is it? And stopping the sale of fireworks is an easy solution to a problem. | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you... agreed. Completely agree, however when choosing a place to live you could avoid living next to somewhere that had organised displays if you desired, much like I did. When fireworks start going off in the street and your beloved pet goes into meltdown it's no fun. In fact it's pretty fucking horrific. Pets ARE part of the family, regardless of how some people view them and I wouldn't subject my child to torment so why would I subject my other family member to it. You avoid it at all costs as best as you can. Pets are far more than luxuries, they provide companionship for people of all ages, they teach children how to be responsible, they provide love and support and in my own case, saved my life. A pet is there all year round. A firework can provide none of the above. P" And to add to this pets also teach children to cope with loss, increase their immune system and in some cases provide a deterrent and warning system against burglars and other possible intruders? Technology would have to increase absolutely beyond all reasonable recognition to see if the firework could box all this off! B | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you... agreed. Completely agree, however when choosing a place to live you could avoid living next to somewhere that had organised displays if you desired, much like I did. When fireworks start going off in the street and your beloved pet goes into meltdown it's no fun. In fact it's pretty fucking horrific. Pets ARE part of the family, regardless of how some people view them and I wouldn't subject my child to torment so why would I subject my other family member to it. You avoid it at all costs as best as you can. Pets are far more than luxuries, they provide companionship for people of all ages, they teach children how to be responsible, they provide love and support and in my own case, saved my life. A pet is there all year round. A firework can provide none of the above. P And to add to this pets also teach children to cope with loss, increase their immune system and in some cases provide a deterrent and warning system against burglars and other possible intruders? Technology would have to increase absolutely beyond all reasonable recognition to see if the firework could box all this off! B" Blimey, do they cook the dinner too ? | |||
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"yet the problems booze and tobacco cause but no signs of those being withdrawn? this a publicity stunt and theyll bring them back eventually i think It’s not quite the same thing though is it? And stopping the sale of fireworks is an easy solution to a problem. " isnt it? its a moral issue no? | |||
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"It still amazes me that the only requirement to buy an explosive projectile is to be over eighteen I feel like there should be a regulated license to buy any fireworks." There is... | |||
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" Fireworks aren't necessities they're an explosive "luxury" P Well pets are a luxury. Apart from guide, rescue and guard dogs etc. they are as much a luxury as fireworks. Before buying a pet, owners should consider if they are prepared to exercise it, train it, feed it, dispose of its shit hygienically and whether it's for them to cope with their pets anxiety at our national festival. My suggestion is this. If you answer no to any of the above than most likely a dog is not for you... agreed. Completely agree, however when choosing a place to live you could avoid living next to somewhere that had organised displays if you desired, much like I did. When fireworks start going off in the street and your beloved pet goes into meltdown it's no fun. In fact it's pretty fucking horrific. Pets ARE part of the family, regardless of how some people view them and I wouldn't subject my child to torment so why would I subject my other family member to it. You avoid it at all costs as best as you can. Pets are far more than luxuries, they provide companionship for people of all ages, they teach children how to be responsible, they provide love and support and in my own case, saved my life. A pet is there all year round. A firework can provide none of the above. P And to add to this pets also teach children to cope with loss, increase their immune system and in some cases provide a deterrent and warning system against burglars and other possible intruders? Technology would have to increase absolutely beyond all reasonable recognition to see if the firework could box all this off! B Blimey, do they cook the dinner too ? " No, but I'm guessing that the average Catherine wheel would make a piss poor casserole too tbf. B | |||
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"It still amazes me that the only requirement to buy an explosive projectile is to be over eighteen I feel like there should be a regulated license to buy any fireworks. There is... " Not for the ones being sold to laymen in supermarkets and high street stores. | |||
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"yet the problems booze and tobacco cause but no signs of those being withdrawn? this a publicity stunt and theyll bring them back eventually i think It’s not quite the same thing though is it? And stopping the sale of fireworks is an easy solution to a problem. isnt it? its a moral issue no? " No, I think it’s a safety issue with fireworks. | |||
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"You need a licence to buy a gun, but it doesn't mean that there aren't irresponsible gun owners. I do accept that there are probably fewer than if it were unregulated. As a dog owner it's relatively simple to avoid organised displays, and keep the dog inside of there is a local one within earshot. However it is almost impossible to predict when they will be set off in local residential gardens when passing by at close range. I am in full agreement with Sainsbury's on this. I am not against fireworks themselves, but if they were only available to organised displays (at whatever time of year) it would make the country safer for everyone." | |||
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"yet the problems booze and tobacco cause but no signs of those being withdrawn? this a publicity stunt and theyll bring them back eventually i think It’s not quite the same thing though is it? And stopping the sale of fireworks is an easy solution to a problem. isnt it? its a moral issue no? No, I think it’s a safety issue with fireworks." so what about the issue that booze may lead to domestic violence if d*unk responsibly? or lets forget the booze and lets say the damage smoking does to people and young kids? yet they continue to sell making millions each day? | |||
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"Yes but why just Sainsbury’s? I personally don’t think they should be on sale to the general public anywhere. Well done to Sainsbury’s, but people will find other ways to buy them and be irresponsible with them, it won’t solve the problem. " It's a start though. | |||
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"It will be all about profit but disguise it as been pet friendly so for that no is my answer but I do think more needs to be done bonfire night is 5 the November so should only be available 1week before and not after the date unless it's a organized display" An interesting read but there may be cultural or faith reasons why some communities may feel that they need access beyond these dates. I would rather support a plan that limits the duration of sale. At the moment fireworks are on sale very early and people have the opportunity to let them off for an extended period. It's a bit like Tesco selling mince pies in September. Maybe they should not be on sale until seven days before these festivals and national celebrations. And I am sure that some dog owners would welcome this and that some dogs, such as gundogs, are not bothered by the noise anyway. Some dog owners on fab have told me how that there dogs are so talented that I am surprised that the dogs are not lighting the bonfires and setting off the fireworks themselves.. | |||
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"I wonder if dogs frightened by fireworks is a training issue. Police horses and dogs are trained to be accustomed to road noise and angry crowds etc. Gun dogs are trained to accept loud bangs.. Why not train your dog's to accept fireworks. And a good business venture for somebody perhaps...." Whilst I take your point to a degree, it isn't as simple as that. Think of PTSD in the forces - it affects some but not others but all have the same training. Not all dogs who undergo the training make it as police dogs. I have two "gundogs", by that I mean the breed rather than mine being trained for the purpose. One I could see making a good gundog and would only react negatively to noise if she sensed me reacting, the other is terrified of loud bangs. She gets jittery seeing (and hearing) fireworks distantly over the other side of town, let alone up close. | |||
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"I think that fireworks should only be sold as part of organised displays. After seeing someone with their hair on fire after being hit by one I kind of changed my view on it. " Totally agree. | |||
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"yet the problems booze and tobacco cause but no signs of those being withdrawn? this a publicity stunt and theyll bring them back eventually i think It’s not quite the same thing though is it? And stopping the sale of fireworks is an easy solution to a problem. isnt it? its a moral issue no? No, I think it’s a safety issue with fireworks. so what about the issue that booze may lead to domestic violence if d*unk responsibly? or lets forget the booze and lets say the damage smoking does to people and young kids? yet they continue to sell making millions each day? " Stress at work can cause people to be violent not just alcohol and many other things for that matter. I think you’re going off track. People injured by fireworks are mostly young people. It clogs up A&E, it affects our emergency services, it causes distress to people and animals and in the wrong hands they are exceptionally dangerous. Why would you want to sell them to anyone and everyone to do what they want with in mostly residential areas? | |||
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"yet the problems booze and tobacco cause but no signs of those being withdrawn? this a publicity stunt and theyll bring them back eventually i think It’s not quite the same thing though is it? And stopping the sale of fireworks is an easy solution to a problem. isnt it? its a moral issue no? No, I think it’s a safety issue with fireworks. so what about the issue that booze may lead to domestic violence if d*unk responsibly? or lets forget the booze and lets say the damage smoking does to people and young kids? yet they continue to sell making millions each day? Stress at work can cause people to be violent not just alcohol and many other things for that matter. I think you’re going off track. People injured by fireworks are mostly young people. It clogs up A&E, it affects our emergency services, it causes distress to people and animals and in the wrong hands they are exceptionally dangerous. Why would you want to sell them to anyone and everyone to do what they want with in mostly residential areas? " Well said Babs | |||
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"Yes, letting off fireworks so early on in the year is ridiculous, yesterday my cat got so scared it ran up the Christmas tree " | |||
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"Not really. But I've never had a dog that's scared of noises" Mine would try jump through glass tables to get away from them even doped up...petrified. mums don't bother though. | |||
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"Yes I think fireworks should only be for organised displays and not sold in shops, it goes on for weeks before and after November 5th round here people letting off fireworks all evening and sometimes quite late at night and terrifies my pets and again at new year " This exactly | |||
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"Yes, letting off fireworks so early on in the year is ridiculous, yesterday my cat got so scared it ran up the Christmas tree " Genius | |||
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"Some and I repeat some fog owners have a sense of entitlement.. They moan at fireworks yet don't give a monkeys if their dog is off the lead and scares the shit out of others.. " Some people do that with their kids too. Swings and round abouts. I notice you keep coming back to the pet thing, specifically dogs, like it is the only argument against them put in place despite it being much more about just dogs. Not just dogs either all pets - except fish. Fuck fish! Many reasons against have been given but there you are back blaming the dogs. Though I will agree the government will be too scared to do anything through a bit of protest and loss of coin. | |||
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"Some and I repeat some fog owners have a sense of entitlement.. They moan at fireworks yet don't give a monkeys if their dog is off the lead and scares the shit out of others.. Some people do that with their kids too. Swings and round abouts. I notice you keep coming back to the pet thing, specifically dogs, like it is the only argument against them put in place despite it being much more about just dogs. Not just dogs either all pets - except fish. Fuck fish! Many reasons against have been given but there you are back blaming the dogs. Though I will agree the government will be too scared to do anything through a bit of protest and loss of coin. " Not dogs.. I like dogs but some of the owners.. | |||
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"I think that fireworks should only be sold as part of organised displays. After seeing someone with their hair on fire after being hit by one I kind of changed my view on it. " This. Sadly anyone can buy fireworks without some form of license or even a common sense test. | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets??" yes. | |||
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"I think that fireworks should only be sold as part of organised displays. After seeing someone with their hair on fire after being hit by one I kind of changed my view on it. " Yes i agree they set them off weeks before and after. not only scaring pets but the elderly also .some young people are irresponsible little shits | |||
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"No I don't agree. I've had 4 dogs and none of them were the slightest bit bothered by fireworks. " You trained them well.. | |||
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"It's a sex sote not facebook ffs " And? We're still real people who talk about real things. Believe it or not it's a great way of getting to see if you'll get on with others dependant on their views of different things. P | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets??" Yes I feel fireworks should be at organised events event only. Not just for the animals but to stop dickheads piss arting about with them. At the end of the day fireworks are small explosives....therefore dangerous! | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets?? Yes I feel fireworks should be at organised events event only. Not just for the animals but to stop dickheads piss arting about with them. At the end of the day fireworks are small explosives....therefore dangerous! " That hits the nail on the head. I agree completely. | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets??" I absolutely do yes | |||
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"In my village, drug dealers use fireworks to let other people know they're stocked up True story Happens here too. " Surely mobile phones are less obvious? | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets??" As someone who has a rescue dog with anxiety issues I can say fireworks are the worst thing to ever be invented. They should only be used at professional, organised displays. Where I live, fireworks are already starting to be let off, it's usually kids playing around. Also, me and my son were seconds away from being seriously injured by a firework as we walked down the street a few years ago. I hate them with a passion when they're in the wrong hands | |||
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"No I don't agree. I've had 4 dogs and none of them were the slightest bit bothered by fireworks. You trained them well.." Its not only and always about training. I currently have 2 dogs. One is terrified of any and all loud sudden noises. The other, not even the slightest acknowledges that there was noise. He has had zero training to adjust to them he just doesn't give a shit at all. My ex's dog was scared, and we eventually adjusted her to accept noises were not so bad. My previous dog was also terrified, she was a rescue and had been abused. There was not a single amount of training that could be done to calm her or accept that fireworks were nothing to be scared of. Some breeds of dogs have extremely sensitive hearing, very few of them can be trained to accept loud sudden noises without them going in to flee mode. Those that can are very rare and is all down to their iron will type personalities,agsin playing in to the fact that not all dogs are made of he same mental state that allows training to fix the problem. | |||
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"I wonder if dogs frightened by fireworks is a training issue. Police horses and dogs are trained to be accustomed to road noise and angry crowds etc. Gun dogs are trained to accept loud bangs.. Why not train your dog's to accept fireworks. And a good business venture for somebody perhaps...." As a dog trainer, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can not simply 'train' an already anxious dog to just be ok with loud noises. Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets?? This popped up the other day. I agree with the none selling fireworks to the public for many reasons. Scaring family pets is just one of them. Scare family pets Scare wildlife Cause a fair bit of damage and litter Scare people who are vulnerable, older people, veterans, people with ptsd They are an explosive. There have been quite a few incidents (every year in fact) of people having them put through their letter box. Recently a house was destroyed from the damage it caused. Locally the other day there were teenagers causing chaos near a kids play area setting off fireworks and aiming them toward the play area. " Agree with all of that! | |||
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"I wonder if dogs frightened by fireworks is a training issue. Police horses and dogs are trained to be accustomed to road noise and angry crowds etc. Gun dogs are trained to accept loud bangs.. Why not train your dog's to accept fireworks. And a good business venture for somebody perhaps.... As a dog trainer, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can not simply 'train' an already anxious dog to just be ok with loud noises. Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? " No offence but there are a dog trainers and dog trainers .. A top one would soon sort it out and undo the work of meddling amateurs | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets?? As someone who has a rescue dog with anxiety issues I can say fireworks are the worst thing to ever be invented. They should only be used at professional, organised displays. Where I live, fireworks are already starting to be let off, it's usually kids playing around. Also, me and my son were seconds away from being seriously injured by a firework as we walked down the street a few years ago. I hate them with a passion when they're in the wrong hands" there is MANY things in the wrong hands have a terrible affect on people's lives should we ban them too or should we educate? | |||
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"I wonder if dogs frightened by fireworks is a training issue. Police horses and dogs are trained to be accustomed to road noise and angry crowds etc. Gun dogs are trained to accept loud bangs.. Why not train your dog's to accept fireworks. And a good business venture for somebody perhaps.... As a dog trainer, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can not simply 'train' an already anxious dog to just be ok with loud noises. Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? No offence but there are a dog trainers and dog trainers .. A top one would soon sort it out and undo the work of meddling amateurs " dont talk sense pal... no room for that here! | |||
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"I wonder if dogs frightened by fireworks is a training issue. Police horses and dogs are trained to be accustomed to road noise and angry crowds etc. Gun dogs are trained to accept loud bangs.. Why not train your dog's to accept fireworks. And a good business venture for somebody perhaps.... As a dog trainer, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can not simply 'train' an already anxious dog to just be ok with loud noises. Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? No offence but there are a dog trainers and dog trainers .. A top one would soon sort it out and undo the work of meddling amateurs " This shows you don't know a great deal about training dogs or dog psychology. There are something's that no amount of training can solve. Period. But I'll ask my question again: Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? | |||
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"I wonder if dogs frightened by fireworks is a training issue. Police horses and dogs are trained to be accustomed to road noise and angry crowds etc. Gun dogs are trained to accept loud bangs.. Why not train your dog's to accept fireworks. And a good business venture for somebody perhaps.... As a dog trainer, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can not simply 'train' an already anxious dog to just be ok with loud noises. Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? No offence but there are a dog trainers and dog trainers .. A top one would soon sort it out and undo the work of meddling amateurs " I know one very well, one of the best in the country in fact. His training and rehab for dangerous and anxious dogs is highly praised by his peers. His own dogs have won many awards in agility, obedience, and bite work. He has always said the adjusting of a highly fearful and anxious dog is the hardest thing to correct. Aggression is easy to direct, deep rooted anxiousness and fear are much harder to dispel. | |||
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"I wonder if dogs frightened by fireworks is a training issue. Police horses and dogs are trained to be accustomed to road noise and angry crowds etc. Gun dogs are trained to accept loud bangs.. Why not train your dog's to accept fireworks. And a good business venture for somebody perhaps.... As a dog trainer, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can not simply 'train' an already anxious dog to just be ok with loud noises. Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? No offence but there are a dog trainers and dog trainers .. A top one would soon sort it out and undo the work of meddling amateurs " Or how about an elderly person with Alzheimer's? Should they just "be ok" with it? | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. " If it's the one I think you mean, no. She is an actor and you should see what actually happens when the cameras are not actually rolling. | |||
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"I wonder if dogs frightened by fireworks is a training issue. Police horses and dogs are trained to be accustomed to road noise and angry crowds etc. Gun dogs are trained to accept loud bangs.. Why not train your dog's to accept fireworks. And a good business venture for somebody perhaps.... As a dog trainer, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can not simply 'train' an already anxious dog to just be ok with loud noises. Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? No offence but there are a dog trainers and dog trainers .. A top one would soon sort it out and undo the work of meddling amateurs This shows you don't know a great deal about training dogs or dog psychology. There are something's that no amount of training can solve. Period. But I'll ask my question again: Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? " what about the people who live near the displays? should they be held in places with no homes within a 10mile radius? then what about cigarettes and booze? the damage they cause and the effect they have on people's lives? ban them too? close all the pubs? | |||
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"I wonder if dogs frightened by fireworks is a training issue. Police horses and dogs are trained to be accustomed to road noise and angry crowds etc. Gun dogs are trained to accept loud bangs.. Why not train your dog's to accept fireworks. And a good business venture for somebody perhaps.... As a dog trainer, that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You can not simply 'train' an already anxious dog to just be ok with loud noises. Would you suggest a veteran with PTSD triggered by loud noises just go and watch a firework display with a psychiatrist 'training' them to be ok with it? No offence but there are a dog trainers and dog trainers .. A top one would soon sort it out and undo the work of meddling amateurs Or how about an elderly person with Alzheimer's? Should they just "be ok" with it?" | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. " Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete | |||
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"It's all about the money. I wonder why Sainsburys said this. " they'll be back on the shelves in 2or3yrs no doubt. | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete" Blimey.. thousands of years of evolution dismissed.. | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete" So if everything we knew about dogs over five years ago is outdated then presumably you can be a dog expert in four.. I studied the wrong subjects at school .. | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete Blimey.. thousands of years of evolution dismissed.. " Canine behaviour has nothing to do with the behaviour of their ancestors - wolves. Two completely different species. In fact, "pack theory" has been debunked. There's no such thing as being the "alpha" to your dog because you're two different species | |||
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"It's a sex sote not facebook ffs Why are you here commenting then? Shouldn't you be off having sex somewhere? I think me and you should be off having sex somewhere " Let's | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets?? but selling booze to people that can lead to domestic violence is ok? " This is a crazy example, millions of people enjoy a drink not everyone who has a beer beats their spouse. In your world the shops couldn’t sell kitchen knives in case a mass murderer buys one. | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete Blimey.. thousands of years of evolution dismissed.. Canine behaviour has nothing to do with the behaviour of their ancestors - wolves. Two completely different species. In fact, "pack theory" has been debunked. There's no such thing as being the "alpha" to your dog because you're two different species " I knew a guy who believed that.. he treated his dog as an equal and got bitten | |||
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"Do you agree with Sainsburys decision to not sell Fireworks because they scare family pets?? but selling booze to people that can lead to domestic violence is ok? This is a crazy example, millions of people enjoy a drink not everyone who has a beer beats their spouse. In your world the shops couldn’t sell kitchen knives in case a mass murderer buys one. " and millions enjoy fireworks safely mate, millions of dogs are not bothered by them either. | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete So if everything we knew about dogs over five years ago is outdated then presumably you can be a dog expert in four.. I studied the wrong subjects at school .." I didn't say everything we knew about dogs was outdated. I'm talking about training methods, psychological studies etc. We're learning more and more about behaviour in dogs. | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete Blimey.. thousands of years of evolution dismissed.. Canine behaviour has nothing to do with the behaviour of their ancestors - wolves. Two completely different species. In fact, "pack theory" has been debunked. There's no such thing as being the "alpha" to your dog because you're two different species I knew a guy who believed that.. he treated his dog as an equal and got bitten" No dog bites "out of the blue" there are always warning signs, just not everyone knows what to look for... | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete Blimey.. thousands of years of evolution dismissed.. Canine behaviour has nothing to do with the behaviour of their ancestors - wolves. Two completely different species. In fact, "pack theory" has been debunked. There's no such thing as being the "alpha" to your dog because you're two different species I knew a guy who believed that.. he treated his dog as an equal and got bitten No dog bites "out of the blue" there are always warning signs, just not everyone knows what to look for..." WOW!!! i think ill leave this forum if you honestly believe that to be even remotely true!!! | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete Blimey.. thousands of years of evolution dismissed.. Canine behaviour has nothing to do with the behaviour of their ancestors - wolves. Two completely different species. In fact, "pack theory" has been debunked. There's no such thing as being the "alpha" to your dog because you're two different species I knew a guy who believed that.. he treated his dog as an equal and got bitten No dog bites "out of the blue" there are always warning signs, just not everyone knows what to look for... WOW!!! i think ill leave this forum if you honestly believe that to be even remotely true!!! " Ok bye... | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete Blimey.. thousands of years of evolution dismissed.. Canine behaviour has nothing to do with the behaviour of their ancestors - wolves. Two completely different species. In fact, "pack theory" has been debunked. There's no such thing as being the "alpha" to your dog because you're two different species I knew a guy who believed that.. he treated his dog as an equal and got bitten No dog bites "out of the blue" there are always warning signs, just not everyone knows what to look for..." What are the warning signs? | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete Blimey.. thousands of years of evolution dismissed.. Canine behaviour has nothing to do with the behaviour of their ancestors - wolves. Two completely different species. In fact, "pack theory" has been debunked. There's no such thing as being the "alpha" to your dog because you're two different species I knew a guy who believed that.. he treated his dog as an equal and got bitten No dog bites "out of the blue" there are always warning signs, just not everyone knows what to look for... What are the warning signs? Subtle use of body language - lip licking, ears pinned back, moving their head away, attempting to move away, wide eyes, panting, yawning, sometimes growling but not always, being low to the ground, tail between the legs. They're all signs that a dog is uncomfortable in their situation. If they can't use their flight reflex, they'll use their fight and they'll bite" My ex wife did all of those things.. | |||
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"I used to watch a lady on Sunday TV years ago and boy she could train a dog. Much to learn from her.. Years ago meaning her methods are outdated. Hell, what I learned five years ago is outdated now. There's hundreds of scientific studies on canine behaviour and training methods. What you saw years ago is now obsolete Blimey.. thousands of years of evolution dismissed.. Canine behaviour has nothing to do with the behaviour of their ancestors - wolves. Two completely different species. In fact, "pack theory" has been debunked. There's no such thing as being the "alpha" to your dog because you're two different species I knew a guy who believed that.. he treated his dog as an equal and got bitten No dog bites "out of the blue" there are always warning signs, just not everyone knows what to look for... What are the warning signs? Subtle use of body language - lip licking, ears pinned back, moving their head away, attempting to move away, wide eyes, panting, yawning, sometimes growling but not always, being low to the ground, tail between the legs. They're all signs that a dog is uncomfortable in their situation. If they can't use their flight reflex, they'll use their fight and they'll bite" Blimey and they learned all of this in the last four years.. | |||
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"And displaying all of those signs the average person in the street would not suspect a bite was coming.. Hahahaha Really" Where did I say they will show all those signs at once? | |||
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