FabSwingers.com forum: car drivers versus cyclists

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Why do the very impatient and sometimes very angry motorists of our country have such a negative attitude to cyclists who are not only making a valuable contribution to the eco system but are keeping fit, taking up less space and who are generally very patient and polite people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do the very impatient and sometimes very angry motorists of our country have such a negative attitude to cyclists who are not only making a valuable contribution to the eco system but are keeping fit, taking up less space and who are generally very patient and polite people?

As are most car drivers generally patient and polite

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

You would be a cyclist then?

They ride up the inside of you, they ride three abreast, the nip in and out which is a hazard. They are aggressive towards other road users.

Nobody is blameless though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

generally? no no no, as a cyclist myself i must be a fecking rare breed on our roads, i don’t see any other cyclist stopping at red lights, patiently waiting in the queue of traffic or pulling in safely when there’s a big heavy goods vehicle trying to pass, no, they cycle through red lights as if they’re fecking immune to any other vehicle on the road, they weave dangerously through slow moving traffic just to get to the front of the queue, and make it difficult for the larger vehicles on the road to overtake, as i said, i am a cyclist and do none of those things, but it grinds my chuffin gears when i see other cyclists doing it all the time.

no wonder motorists hate us so much

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

There is room for both imo.

Nearly all cyclists and car drivers are respectful of each other and a small minority upset the others. Be respectful of each other is the key

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

Generally cyclists are fine except for Sunday mornings when they go out in packs and pretty much block country roads as you can't pass safely and they refuse to move over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My sons friend was a cyclist, I saw was because.. he is now keeping my husband company in the cemetery.

A lot of people don't have any consideration for cyclists. Yes there are some bad ones but most are just ordinary folk trying to get from A to B without getting killed.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Most likely as most of the cyclists where we are insist on riding two abreast thus making it difficult to get by them!

Also cyclists should be insured..

I personally don’t have an issue but Herefordshire roads are not the safest for cyclists. I have 4 bikes here and wouldn’t use them on the main road towards Hereford

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

Cars are tougher than bikes, so they win every time.. when u run one over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive around London and a lot of cyclists jump red lights a lot of the time just wish they just be a bit more careful when cycling around any city I cycle as well and never jump red lights I seen to many accidents involving cyclists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cycle path in our area is lovely. It’s brand new, smooth, and goes alongside the road so you don’t need to detour.

Yet people will still use the road. Okay, that’s your choice.

Yesterday 12 cyclists were on the road. There was temporary traffic lights ahead, so they went on the cycle path. Then kept dipping between the cycle path and the road whenever it fancied them. So fucking dangerous! Surprised no one was hit or there wasn’t a crash to be honest. I don’t get why they’d choose to be on the road when the cycle path is lovely. Oh, and folk don’t walk on it - there’s a separate path for that too! And this path is beside the road for about 30 miles!

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Seriously, it's just a balls ache hearing from car drivers who haven't read the Highway Code and don't realize basic manouvres like riding two abreast and filtering are legal, sensible and safe. If you don't realize this stuff is covered by the Higway Code, either read it or cut up your driving licence. If you think other road users manouvering is a hazard, cut up your driving licence.

WHy ban these threads? It's just a ballsache hearing from the 'other cyclists are bad but not me' brigade. We get that all of us belong to groups in which others withn that group do things we don't approve of - that's a basic fact of society, not some kind of special condition only applying to cyclists. It's also a complete ballsache hearing form the other extreme, the 'I'm an anarcho cyclist and rules are for other people' gang, the kind of tossers who int en years time will be failed sales reps in asecond hand BMW denying they ever had a bike, a wispy beard and an attitude problem.

Please ban these threads. It's a ballsache hearing from the 'cyclists stop me from driving my wankpanzer as fast as I like on a Sunday morning' brigade as if an extra two minutes on their journey is some kind of infringement of their human rights. It's not. If you're in that much of a rush and need to get there at maximum speed put your sirens and your blue lights on - if you haven't been given them you don't need to get there that fast.

Please admin, ban these threads - there's no need for so many electrons to be disturbed repeating the same tired memes, the same nonsensicla assertions form the same people who need to chill out, have a wank and realize it isn't worth it...

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"The cycle path in our area is lovely. It’s brand new, smooth, and goes alongside the road so you don’t need to detour.

Yet people will still use the road. Okay, that’s your choice.

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By *utcock61Man
over a year ago

glasgow

when cyclists pay road tax and insurance they will have same rights as motorists!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Generally cyclists are fine except for Sunday mornings when they go out in packs and pretty much block country roads as you can't pass safely and they refuse to move over."

this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"when cyclists pay road tax and insurance they will have same rights as motorists!"

I own a car and pay zero 'road tax' , then again I'm sure you bring this up as a poor attempt at trolling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Generally cyclists are fine except for Sunday mornings when they go out in packs and pretty much block country roads as you can't pass safely and they refuse to move over."

As opposed to cars who do this every weekday morning and evening on roads all over the UK, making it difficult for cyclists to get about as they refuse to move over to allow them to pass safely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cyclists have got very angry. Largrly bellowing males in lycra.

Often they don't signal or stop at junctions.

They don't benefit the environment by much. Their man made fibres are made at cost to the eco system.

Possibly the middle class ones may still own a gas guzzler or two?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)"
you could just not read them?

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"when cyclists pay road tax and insurance they will have same rights as motorists!"
If you're paying road tax you must have a fucking time machine because it was abolished in 1937.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The cycle path in our area is lovely. It’s brand new, smooth, and goes alongside the road so you don’t need to detour.

Yet people will still use the road. Okay, that’s your choice.

Im gonna start running around in traffic while holding some knives, it’s fine as long as no one gets killed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"when cyclists pay road tax and insurance they will have same rights as motorists!"

Road tax hasn’t existed for years and I do have insurance as cyclist.

I’m not completely innocent on a bike but show me a car driver who is! the amount of cars that come past stinking of is crazy.

Also 2 abreast is allowed and I’m most cases is safer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most cyclist are so impatient they bounce up on the path when there’s a red light or worse drive through the red light! They tend to hurtle towards pedestrians on pathways and drive over crossings.......... the list of examples is endless MOST cyclists are far from patient

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

We have thousands of cyclists on the roads in the forest, single line or double when overtaking is perfectly reasonable

4/5 in a line kicking cars as they pass in mass events is very unreasonable and dont get me started on the ones who defecate in the forest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All road users are like waiters. You notice the bad ones and the good ones just go about their business unnoticed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just everybody GET OFF MY ROAD!

Damn wish it could do the MY in capital capitals.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Generally cyclists are fine except for Sunday mornings when they go out in packs and pretty much block country roads as you can't pass safely and they refuse to move over."
Yes like bloody Tour de France! What happened to single file! Want to get fit sell the kids bike and get in the gym

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

"Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)"

Why not just chill out, have a wank and realise it's not worth getting worked up over a forum thread?

After all, no one's forcing you to read it, so just skip over it like a normal notionally-intelligent human being

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a cyclist and a driver

I find most driver courteous and patient . There are a few exceptions!

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)"

Thanks for the rant

But when I took my cycling proficiency test in 60’s riding two a breast was frowned upon

Maybe there is less traffic on the roads today ?

Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)

Thanks for the rant

But when I took my cycling proficiency test in 60’s riding two a breast was frowned upon

Maybe there is less traffic on the roads today ?

Thanks "

Over the past 5yrs 2 of my children have passed the cycling proficiency test and it hasn’t changed, two a breast isn’t allowed.

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

Why does it have to be car drivers v cyclists? Don’t drive/ride like idiots = problems solved.

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By *hangerMan
over a year ago

brighton

Driving in the dark last night at 7:00pm I encountered a dozen cyclists during a four mile journey. At various sets of traffic lights that were on red, 3 out of four went straight through and another at a light controlled pedestrian crossing. 5 out of 12 had no lights at all and 2 of 12 had a front light only.

One cyclists wearing dark clothing, no lights, doing about 30mph down a hill was almost impossible to see, but fortunately I did see them before I pulled out from a side turning.

All the above is typical of what I see every evening. Yes there are some sensible cyclists, but far too many that are not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most cyclist are so impatient they bounce up on the path when there’s a red light or worse drive through the red light! They tend to hurtle towards pedestrians on pathways and drive over crossings.......... the list of examples is endless MOST cyclists are far from patient

witnessed a young lad almost get pancaked jumping a red light this morning, fortunately the guy in the car that almost hit him was awake enough to slam on the brakes, the cyclist just carried on his merrily way without a bleeding care in the world

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By *oredcouple1TV/TS
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

The laws of the road are for all users, someone needs to tell alot of cyclists that

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By *hangerMan
over a year ago

brighton

"The laws of the road are for all users, someone needs to tell alot of cyclists that"

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"The laws of the road are for all users, someone needs to tell alot of cyclists that

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By *asseurMan
over a year ago

Shrewsbury England not Wales

The Highway Code also states: “You must not cycle on a pavement.” The offence ofriding a bike on the pavement is punishable by an on-the-spot fine, a fixed penalty notice of £30. This is charged under Schedule 3 and Section 51 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.5 Mar 2018.

I wish cyclists that use the pavement outside my house would adhere to the above. I live on a traffic light controlled T junction and cyclists are always using the pavement to bypass a red light, imagine the outcry if a motorist did that

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By *i1971Man
over a year ago

Cornwall

"The cycle path in our area is lovely. It’s brand new, smooth, and goes alongside the road so you don’t need to detour.

Yet people will still use the road. Okay, that’s your choice.

We can only wish for a cycle path as you mention down here. If it's kept clear of debris & wide enough to pass there shouldn't be a need to hop in & out of the cycle lane. The latest cycle route they put in nearby was a shared wide pavement around a town to encourage cyclists (not really happened given the few I've seen on it) but given the pedestrians swarm all over it, cyclists still end up on the roads.

Rarely see many cyclists jumping lights etc when I'm out & about here but I have noticed it when in London & other cities (& yes, even though I cycle, it does concern me to see it happening.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)

Thanks for the rant

But when I took my cycling proficiency test in 60’s riding two a breast was frowned upon

Maybe there is less traffic on the roads today ?

Thanks

Over the past 5yrs 2 of my children have passed the cycling proficiency test and it hasn’t changed, two a breast isn’t allowed.

2 abreast is allowed, it’s quite clear in the Highway Code!

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I have been on both side of the coin. My first job was a 15 mile round cycle though the city. I only worked there 6 months but besides being lit up like a cycle shaped Christmas tree I was knocked off my bike twice by cars pulling out of side roads. I hated car drivers. Then when I became a motorist I learnt of the frustration cyclists cause and some of the moronic ways some cyclists ride on the road. I'm not sure if it's a grudge that can ever be solved. Cycles and cars do not mix well in my opinion.

Although I think things would be better is cyclists weren't allowed on the road until they'd past a cycling test to be on the road (same as you have to drive a car on the road). Also likewise as stronger policing and penalties for infringing the laws on the road. Maybe this would see a better quality and standardisation of cycling standards on our roads.

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds

Cyclists are like the Brexit Remainers....

In a minority, refuse to accept that generally their view/opinion is only shared by French garlic eating surrender-monkeys and absolute hypocrites of the ultimate level.

Not a worthwhile one among the lot!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a professional driver, cyclists are an absolute thorn in my side.

Drive safely, give space, give way, try to protect other road users. But the selfish aand utterly stupid attitude most cyclist I come across seem to share, and a severe lack of road sense means I have zero time for any of you.

My day to day life is made harder thanks to you, whilst I'm simply trying to earn a living to keep an roof over my head. One moment of selfish stupidity from yourself, and I find myself in jail with no more freedom or livelihood.

The road network is simply too busy for you to be so disregarding your own safety. Because you simply want to have an inflated ego and view of self importance? Use public transport like others if you want to do your bit for the environment.

It's the equivalent of going swimming in well documented shark Infested waters and then getting attacked by a shark. You kick up a fuss and the Shark gets killed. Fucking Moronic if you ask me

(Ps I also own a bike which I use as a hobby. But I ride my bike AWAY from others, so as not to impact/force myself onto others lives.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cyclists are like the Brexit Remainers....

In a minority, refuse to accept that generally their view/opinion is only shared by French garlic eating surrender-monkeys and absolute hypocrites of the ultimate level.

Not a worthwhile one among the lot!"

You do realise we were conquered by the French right? Tower of London is a French castle. A whole bunch of our language and culture is French.

Louis XIV Was the most powerful person on the planet for a very long time. Napoleon, just a little while ago, had all the great European powers on the run. But no, let's talk about WW2 where some idiot thought the Ardenne forest would stop an invader and so stationed all the troops 1000 miles down in the south.

Who said brexiteers were xenophobic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's pretty simple, use a cycle path where available, follow the rules of the road. Most importantly, don't be a bell end regardless of on a bike or in a car. If all else fails have your Mrs cycle next to you wearing really short shorts and a sports bra. Drivers suddenly give way and don't rush to overtake

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds

"Cyclists are like the Brexit Remainers....

In a minority, refuse to accept that generally their view/opinion is only shared by French garlic eating surrender-monkeys and absolute hypocrites of the ultimate level.

Not a worthwhile one among the lot!

You do realise we were conquered by the French right? Tower of London is a French castle. A whole bunch of our language and culture is French.

Who said brexiteers were xenophobic? "

When you decide to return from the regular pilgrimage that you take up your own arse then you may see that most of us said what we thought when asked regarding Brexit.

Save your Blah Blah Blah for those with whom you share the comfort of bark to face embrace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cyclists are like the Brexit Remainers....

In a minority, refuse to accept that generally their view/opinion is only shared by French garlic eating surrender-monkeys and absolute hypocrites of the ultimate level.

Not a worthwhile one among the lot!

You do realise we were conquered by the French right? Tower of London is a French castle. A whole bunch of our language and culture is French.

Who said brexiteers were xenophobic?

When you decide to return from the regular pilgrimage that you take up your own arse then you may see that most of us said what we thought when asked regarding Brexit.

Save your Blah Blah Blah for those with whom you share the comfort of bark to face embrace."

Not sure I get that last sentence but I'm just defending the French mate. Nice chatting to ya. Enjoy fab...

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By *i1971Man
over a year ago

Cornwall

"As a professional driver, cyclists are an absolute thorn in my side.

It's the equivalent of going swimming in well documented shark Infested waters and then getting attacked by a shark. You kick up a fuss and the Shark gets killed. Fucking Moronic if you ask me

(Ps I also own a bike which I use as a hobby. But I ride my bike AWAY from others, so as not to impact/force myself onto others lives.)"

As a professional driver, what a load of bollocks you talk.

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By *xtrafun4youMan
over a year ago

Dunstable

"You would be a cyclist then?

They ride up the inside of you, they ride three abreast, the nip in and out which is a hazard. They are aggressive towards other road users.

Nobody is blameless though. "
exactly this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a professional driver, cyclists are an absolute thorn in my side.

It's the equivalent of going swimming in well documented shark Infested waters and then getting attacked by a shark. You kick up a fuss and the Shark gets killed. Fucking Moronic if you ask me

(Ps I also own a bike which I use as a hobby. But I ride my bike AWAY from others, so as not to impact/force myself onto others lives.)

As a professional driver, what a load of bollocks you talk. "

That's your opinion

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)

Thanks for the rant

But when I took my cycling proficiency test in 60’s riding two a breast was frowned upon

Maybe there is less traffic on the roads today ?

Thanks

Over the past 5yrs 2 of my children have passed the cycling proficiency test and it hasn’t changed, two a breast isn’t allowed.

"
either read the highway code or cut up your driving licence.

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By *picknspanMan
over a year ago

North West Leeds

"Louis X1V Blah, Napoleon Blah, Sacha Distel Blah, someone else French Blah" "Brexit Xenophobia" why because British people do not want to be ruled by other countries does that mean Xenophobia?

Do you think (which is a question in itself...) that Brexit supporters do not want to trade with other countries? Do you not realise that by having the control we had pre-Commom Market entry we may just have a chance to run free without the shackles of European (realistically German & French) dictatorship?

Are you so deeply contrite in your belief that Europe actually cares for anything British other than its cash?

The only reason that people here (mostly middle aged geeky 'no real life' men) cycle aimlessly to no where in 1980's leotard coloured lycra is to emulate their European counterparts who 'play' Tour de France whilst waiting for their Brie to mature.

Xenophobic I am not.

Other things I maybe...

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)

Thanks for the rant

But when I took my cycling proficiency test in 60’s riding two a breast was frowned upon

Maybe there is less traffic on the roads today ?

Thanks "
read the highway code. oddly you may have a point but not the one you think you have - generally cycling two abreast makes it easier for cars to pass, especially if it's a long group. If you're going to pass a group of cyclists legally you need to be on the other side of the road, and if they're two abreast that means you need half the distance to pass them. All too often the kind of people who complain about us riding two abreast are the kind of wank spangles who don't know how much space they are supposed to give us as they pass.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Comedy gold, this

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"As a professional driver, cyclists are an absolute thorn in my side.

It's the equivalent of going swimming in well documented shark Infested waters and then getting attacked by a shark. You kick up a fuss and the Shark gets killed. Fucking Moronic if you ask me

(Ps I also own a bike which I use as a hobby. But I ride my bike AWAY from others, so as not to impact/force myself onto others lives.)"
Have you tried getting help with your anger, your anxiety and your persecution complex?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Louis X1V Blah, Napoleon Blah, Sacha Distel Blah, someone else French Blah" "Brexit Xenophobia" why because British people do not want to be ruled by other countries does that mean Xenophobia?

Are you so deeply contrite in your belief that Europe actually cares for anything British other than its cash?

Xenophobic I am not.

Other things I maybe...

We ride to work in our 80's Lycra, in I guess our geeky no real life kind of way.

Such anger issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)

Thanks for the rant

But when I took my cycling proficiency test in 60’s riding two a breast was frowned upon

Maybe there is less traffic on the roads today ?

Thanks read the highway code. oddly you may have a point but not the one you think you have - generally cycling two abreast makes it easier for cars to pass, especially if it's a long group. If you're going to pass a group of cyclists legally you need to be on the other side of the road, and if they're two abreast that means you need half the distance to pass them. All too often the kind of people who complain about us riding two abreast are the kind of wank spangles who don't know how much space they are supposed to give us as they pass. "

Wank spangle

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By *xLedZepxx2Man
over a year ago

Didcot

As a pedestrian most of the time in a city known for it's large number of cyclists I actually find very often cyclists are impatient, obnoxious bullies towards pedestrians, courtesy and respect works both ways. In areas where cyclists and pedestrians share space, the cyclist is the vehicle, it's their responsibility to cycle in a manner that does not endanger or inconvenience other users, in the same way the cyclists expect motorists to treat them, however it doesn't work like that, I've been forced off the pavement and in to a buss lane by a lycra clad moron who decided he had right of way, what if there had been a buss coming? Also what right do a pack of lycra clad morons have to jump a red light at a crossing whilst I'm using it and rather than apologise I get a torrent of abusive language when I complain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Persecution Complex. How cute

Have a look at the daily life of a HGV driver if you haven't the experience. Everything we can and will get blamed or fined for, for simply trying to do a job. And then ask why there is a shortage of drivers in the UK.

And while you're there, ask why a HGV driver might get frustrated somewhat in a high stress environment, coming across numerous people with no regard for their own personal safety. Going for a lovely little selfish bike ride

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I want to ride my bicycle

I want to ride my bike,

I want to ride my bicycle

I want to ride it where I like.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"We have thousands of cyclists on the roads in the forest, single line or double when overtaking is perfectly reasonable

4/5 in a line kicking cars as they pass in mass events is very unreasonable and dont get me started on the ones who defecate in the forest

Blimey.. so Cyclists shit in the woods... And I thought it was bears...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"All road users are like waiters. You notice the bad ones and the good ones just go about their business unnoticed."

Great message

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

"Driving in the dark last night at 7:00pm I encountered a dozen cyclists during a four mile journey. At various sets of traffic lights that were on red, 3 out of four went straight through and another at a light controlled pedestrian crossing. 5 out of 12 had no lights at all and 2 of 12 had a front light only.

One cyclists wearing dark clothing, no lights, doing about 30mph down a hill was almost impossible to see, but fortunately I did see them before I pulled out from a side turning.

All the above is typical of what I see every evening. Yes there are some sensible cyclists, but far too many that are not!"

The no lights thing does annoy me when I'm in the car, because I'll be the one who gets prosecuted for undur care and attention if I don't see them.

The best / worst one I saw was a kid in dark clothing, with no lights or reflectors, cycling down the wrong side of the road. Fucking moron.

I wonder if I paint my car matt black, tint the windows out and drive up the pavement with no lights on, it'll be everyone else's fault if they get hit?

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Would helping to raise the standards of a cyclist help. We need to pass a driving test to be on the road in a car, why not to be on a road on a bicycle? One may argue as cyclists are more vulnerable that it should be more important that cyclist were trained properly and had a to pass a test before going out onto the road. Plus surely we should expect as tighter policing and penalties for cyclist breaking the rules as other road users. Maybe this would help to reduce the complaints of poor and cowboy cycling practices on our roads?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My sons friend was a cyclist, I saw was because.. he is now keeping my husband company in the cemetery.

A lot of people don't have any consideration for cyclists. Yes there are some bad ones but most are just ordinary folk trying to get from A to B without getting killed.

So well said.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Persecution Complex. How cute

High stress environment?

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

One cyclists wearing dark clothing, no lights, doing about 30mph down a hill was almost impossible to see, but fortunately I did see them before I pulled out from a side turning.

All the above is typical of what I see every evening. Yes there are some sensible cyclists, but far too many that are not!

The no lights thing does annoy me when I'm in the car, because I'll be the one who gets prosecuted for undur care and attention if I don't see them.

The best / worst one I saw was a kid in dark clothing, with no lights or reflectors, cycling down the wrong side of the road. Fucking moron.

I wonder if I paint my car matt black, tint the windows out and drive up the pavement with no lights on, it'll be everyone else's fault if they get hit?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I drive a car and have a bicycle. When I drive my car I treat cyclists like any other road user, with care and respect. I slow down, give them space and pass when it is safe to do so giving as much space as I can. On some B roads this may take a while especially if bends make overtaking unsafe. Mostly I receive a thank you wave from the cyclist. If I rode 'up his atse' pressuring him then I might expect a reaction. Just treat all road users with respect.

On my bicycle, I ride defensively and just because I can legally, does not mean I will cycle around multi lane roundabouts putting myself in danger. I will probably dismount and find a safe crossing. I do not wear Lycra. I am fat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having scrolled through this thread, I think I can offer two pieces of advice.

1. Don't drive like a dick

2. Don't cycle like a dick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a professional driver, cyclists are an absolute thorn in my side.

It's the equivalent of going swimming in well documented shark Infested waters and then getting attacked by a shark. You kick up a fuss and the Shark gets killed. Fucking Moronic if you ask me

(Ps I also own a bike which I use as a hobby. But I ride my bike AWAY from others, so as not to impact/force myself onto others lives.)

As a professional driver, what a load of bollocks you talk. "

taxi driver?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We need to do it the way other well documented Cycling countries do.

Keep Cyclists, pedestrians and vehicles all away from each other with their own separate paths and routes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*puts lycra in the bin, bike's in the shed, changes name to bus couple :/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"*puts lycra in the bin, bike's in the shed, changes name to bus couple :/"

Hahahah the 73aBusCouple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because a lot of them ride like total bellends with complete disregard to the highway code and the laws of the road.People only ever remember the arseholes,whilst the vast majority of cyclists are safe and considerate the odd ones that aren't tarnish the rest

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

There are often threads about profiles where people describe themselves as 'professional'.

I have really heard it all now. There are people who drive for a living but there is no such thing as a professional driver unless you are Lewis Hamilton etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As are most car drivers generally patient and polite

Come across a few non polite impatient angry bikers in my time too.

Not all bikers are that environmentally friendly either.

Most facts are skewed depends on who is backing the report and how it's written to come across to the reader.

A good example is 27% of atmospheric pollution is public transport. (Gov report).

Looking closely we see this includes delivery transport, rail too, but excludes aviation (big atmospheric pollutant).

Of this 27%, just under 2/3 are cars and vans. Vans cover far, far more mileage than a private car does.

Then these figures are only for the UK. So much is excluded. You see where this is going?

The cement industry is one of the world highest pollutant industries we have. Leaches heavy metals including murcury into the water system. How many cyclists live in a concrete jungle encouraging this particular industry.

I don't don't think cyclists are any more environmentally friendly in general than many others.

There are many ways to contribute to reducing carbon footprint, because one does it one way doesn't make the more environmentally friendly than others doing it in a different way.

We all need to do our bit and it needs to work for us in how it's done in order for it to have a proper sustainable impact.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"We need to do it the way other well documented Cycling countries do.

Keep Cyclists, pedestrians and vehicles all away from each other with their own separate paths and routes"

Exactly. I spend a lot of time in Holland and the cycle is king there. However, they are more of the "sit up and beg type, feet aren't clipped into pedals, and people ride them as a means of getting from A to B as part of their everyday life. They are respected and everyone rubs along just fine.

The ones that I notice more and more in this country, are the sports cycles ridden by people in lycra. They have their feet clipped into the pedals, making it harder to put their feet down, and they seem to think they are in the "Tour De France". I see many, not all, jump red lights and even worse, undertake a line of traffic.

But then I see bad car driving on a daily basis. People just need to be aware of their actions, be it cyclist or car driver.

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By *aseMan
over a year ago

Gourock

What !! Driving to near motorists, under taking ,sometimes 4/5 in a line,Also talking to each other! You want me to carry on ??????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because cyclists ride round on country lanes at 12 mph with a massive queue of cars behind them refusing to pull over to let them past. They then demand you give them a 7 mile gap while overtaking. If you go on the roads you should be able to keep up with traffic. Otherwise you are just being a pain in the arse. When they have insurance, thei bike is checked annually to make sure its safe on the road and is registered for road tax (even if it gets a £0 annual fee) like modern cars do then i will give them some slack

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"What !! Driving to near motorists, under taking ,sometimes 4/5 in a line,Also talking to each other! You want me to carry on ??????"

Not talking to each other..

I am shocked.. next they will be saying that car drivers talk to their passengers..

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Seems to me this topic has wider issues

I am sorry but a minority of cyclists will spout off it’s in the Highway Code two a breast is legal, we have a right to do this!!

Can’t argue against that

But funny how the cycling proficiency test frowns upon it!!

Maybe these cyclists spouting their rights should go on one...??

Thing is it’s not safe to ride two abreast,

It causes traffic chaos and drivers taking risks due to being held up by cyclists who know this is annoying car drivers

With attitudes like that how do you think car drivers are going to react?

Bit of common sense from both drivers and cyclists is needed..

But I will wager my aunts fanny, that some cycling megalomaniac will totally rubbish this and portray motorist as being the villains we are, and insisting on their rights!!

Really it just silly arguing with that attitude

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

I've kept a count and on average I can see 75% of these cyclists have no lights (it's pitch black at this time in the morning) are riding on the pavement or jump a red light. Often more than one of these.

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Yet the cyclists continue to "defend" themselves by stating drivers are worse than they are. I don't remember the last time I saw a motorist with no lights on the pavement jump a red light, yet I see a lot more cars than bicycles.

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By *hangerMan
over a year ago

brighton

"Having scrolled through this thread, I think I can offer two pieces of advice.

1. Don't drive like a dick

2. Don't cycle like a dick

Also the law has not kept up with technology. Now some cyclists (those that actually bother having lights!) Use incredibly bright lights that are great for daytime use to help them be seen by other road users, but due to the very wide spread, are blinding at night. Car lighting is regulated by law, but cycle lighting is not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are often threads about profiles where people describe themselves as 'professional'.

I have really heard it all now. There are people who drive for a living but there is no such thing as a professional driver unless you are Lewis Hamilton etc.

As described - A standard of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession.

He's a professional "Racing" Driver. He drives for a living and gets paid to do so.

I am a professional HGV driver. With numerous qualifications and licenses obtained enabling me to perform my specific role.

I know its a confusing and difficult subject to follow, so don't worry your little head about it treacle

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"There are often threads about profiles where people describe themselves as 'professional'.

I have really heard it all now. There are people who drive for a living but there is no such thing as a professional driver unless you are Lewis Hamilton etc.

As described - A standard of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession.

He's a professional "Racing" Driver. He drives for a living and gets paid to do so.

I am a professional HGV driver. With numerous qualifications and licenses obtained enabling me to perform my specific role.

I know its a confusing and difficult subject to follow, so don't worry your little head about it treacle

Plenty of professional drivers

Taxi

Chauffeur

Bus driver

Tank

Fire engine

Ambulance

HGV

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are often threads about profiles where people describe themselves as 'professional'.

I have really heard it all now. There are people who drive for a living but there is no such thing as a professional driver unless you are Lewis Hamilton etc.

As described - A standard of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession.

He's a professional "Racing" Driver. He drives for a living and gets paid to do so.

I am a professional HGV driver. With numerous qualifications and licenses obtained enabling me to perform my specific role.

I know its a confusing and difficult subject to follow, so don't worry your little head about it treacle

Can you lot so overtaking each other because you're going 0.1mph faster than the one in front, and just sit behind the one in front thus not inconveniencing other road users, phases. Ta muchly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll consider it, if thwm bloody Cyclists are more considerate first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do both and I have to say there's a lot of bellends about in both communities and I bet most overlap too biker/drivers. Get a grip and respect each other people.

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

"*puts lycra in the bin, bike's in the shed, changes name to bus couple :/

Hahahah the 73aBusCouple"

73sbuswankercouple

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch

"I drive a car and have a bicycle. When I drive my car I treat cyclists like any other road user, with care and respect. I slow down, give them space and pass when it is safe to do so giving as much space as I can. On some B roads this may take a while especially if bends make overtaking unsafe. Mostly I receive a thank you wave from the cyclist. If I rode 'up his atse' pressuring him then I might expect a reaction. Just treat all road users with respect.

This

I'm a driver and a cyclist (mainly as a hobby)

I try to treat cyclists with respect, and ride as courteously as I can on the bike. Which includes stopping at traffic lights and not getting too close to waiting cars / undertaking lorries. However I see plenty who don't, and they give us all a ad name.

I have lights, which are probably a bit too bright in all honesty, but I'd rather to much than too little.

I also wear Lycra for cycling, despite being so far it's offensive

Oh, and I once cycled around Five Ways Island in Birmingham

But it was on a Sunday afternoon, and I felt like taking my life in my hands....

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"There are often threads about profiles where people describe themselves as 'professional'.

I have really heard it all now. There are people who drive for a living but there is no such thing as a professional driver unless you are Lewis Hamilton etc.

As described - A standard of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession.

He's a professional "Racing" Driver. He drives for a living and gets paid to do so.

I am a professional HGV driver. With numerous qualifications and licenses obtained enabling me to perform my specific role.

I know its a confusing and difficult subject to follow, so don't worry your little head about it treacle

Plenty of professional drivers

Taxi

Chauffeur

Bus driver

Tank

Fire engine

Ambulance

HGV

so the rest of us are ameteur drivers ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm both of these.

Well, 3 actually, I'm a motorcyclist as well, so I see this argument from all angles.

With the slow but absolutely sure abolishment of the internal combustion engine, we will need to go back full circle, back to bicycles.

We therefore need the introduction of proper cycle lanes on every single road in the world. And when the fuel runs out, the whole road used.

I won't live long enough to see what happens (I'm dying now), but it'll be interesting.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I have always wondered what lorry drivers shout at cyclists... probably

"Bloody amateurs !"

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

there's always going to be trouble on the roads/footpaths. can't avoid it unfortunately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The laws of the road are for all users, someone needs to tell alot of cyclists that

This

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By *illy999TV/TS
over a year ago

Taunton

All roads are closed on major cycle races sur le continent. Imagine Le tour , Le Giro or La Vuelta with traffic..

Definitely not laugh out loud..

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By *pider-WomanWoman
over a year ago

Exeter, Bristol, Plymouth, Truro

"generally? no no no, as a cyclist myself i must be a fecking rare breed on our roads, i don’t see any other cyclist stopping at red lights, patiently waiting in the queue of traffic or pulling in safely when there’s a big heavy goods vehicle trying to pass, no, they cycle through red lights as if they’re fecking immune to any other vehicle on the road, they weave dangerously through slow moving traffic just to get to the front of the queue, and make it difficult for the larger vehicles on the road to overtake, as i said, i am a cyclist and do none of those things, but it grinds my chuffin gears when i see other cyclists doing it all the time.

no wonder motorists hate us so much

This is me so I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Generally cyclists are fine except for Sunday mornings when they go out in packs and pretty much block country roads as you can't pass safely and they refuse to move over.

this"
we live on one of these roads and sometimes we can’t get off of our road.

We used to live in the centre of York and cyclists would often go the wrong way up the one way pedestrianised street we lived on, and then shout at me when they’d almost smack me or my small child. We used a shared foot and cycle path to go to school, littered with small children on a morning and the entitled ones wouldn’t even slow down around a bend despite it being full of children daily. A lot of injuries around there due to that carelessness.

Like car drivers and everything else there are good and bad and rule followers and rule breakers. We always will all get annoyed depending on which side of the argument we are on.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"when cyclists pay road tax and insurance they will have same rights as motorists!If you're paying road tax you must have a fucking time machine because it was abolished in 1937."

And this always get trotted out when someone mentions road tax.

It's a tax.

You pay it to keep a vehicle on the road.

Colloquially people call it road tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no wonder motorists hate us so much

Definitely this!! I am another rare cyclist who does this!!

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By *illy999TV/TS
over a year ago

Taunton

"On her bike sonny"

to all the non bike riders and fat short tempered vehicle drivers ..

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

We therefore need the introduction of proper cycle lanes on every single road in the world. And when the fuel runs out, the whole road used.

Why not just wait and get the whole road?

Patience is the key

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By *illy999TV/TS
over a year ago

Taunton

Will "Patience" outlast fuel ? Hopefully yes !!!

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By *d59michelleTV/TS
over a year ago

walsall

"Can we have a moratorium on threads like this?

Mr Icebreaker (who does 25k a year in his elderly car, and 3-5k a year on his bikes)"

Here here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trust me on this one using a bicycle on London road decreases congestion, is better for the environment, easy of manoeuvrability through traffic, saves money by not using public transport or driving a motor bike and car....Then WHACK you hit a car or a car hits you. Then you end up in the hospital, or worse ,if it's a bad injury then there is time convalescing, maybe loss of earnings, loss of job if the injury causes you permanent damage which effects the ability to do a job. Moral of the story is, 4 wheels and a roof over your head when driving is better than 2 wheels and battling with the elements and traffic. For me a car every time or public transport.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

Well I regularly drive a large lorry, a van, car, ride motorbikes and even a push bike.

I see loads is dangerous driving /riding from all groups. The problem with cyclist is that they are too slow for todays traffic and roads. That annoys everybody else.

I believe we all make mistakes when we drive and ride and if everyone just shrugged and counted to ten when they see a mistake. Life would be a little better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One cyclists wearing dark clothing, no lights, doing about 30mph down a hill was almost impossible to see, but fortunately I did see them before I pulled out from a side turning.

All the above is typical of what I see every evening. Yes there are some sensible cyclists, but far too many that are not!

The no lights thing does annoy me when I'm in the car, because I'll be the one who gets prosecuted for undur care and attention if I don't see them.

The best / worst one I saw was a kid in dark clothing, with no lights or reflectors, cycling down the wrong side of the road. Fucking moron.

I wonder if I paint my car matt black, tint the windows out and drive up the pavement with no lights on, it'll be everyone else's fault if they get hit?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I think cycling is a good thing. However, we live in the country and we get many cyclists on the road into the nearest town, narrow, winding road. So you can encounter cyclists around blind bends. I think, in this case, they should cycle on the path, for everyones safety

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cyclist here, totally agree with this.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Cyclist here, totally agree with this. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"when cyclists pay road tax and insurance they will have same rights as motorists!If you're paying road tax you must have a fucking time machine because it was abolished in 1937.

And this always get trotted out when someone mentions road tax.

It's a tax.

You pay it to keep a vehicle on the road.

Colloquially people call it road tax."

It is a tax. It's a tax on vehicle emissions so bicycles are exempt. The levy from Vehicle Excise Duty doesn't go to road maintenance, that's paid for by general taxation.

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By *arex2Couple
over a year ago

Bradford

THIS! A majority are ignorant, clueless and downright ignorant. As a truck driver myself I get a nasty surprise every day by their acts of stupidity. Nice to know there are respectable cyclists out there that realise other people use the roads too! Thank you ??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

no wonder motorists hate us so much

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lol through red lights really i think as a pedestrian would walk across a busy road a cyclist as can a pedestrian see the road is clear so makes an informed decision whereas a motorist is subject to a fine if he abuses it, also a car can kill in a minor faux pas where a cycle wouldn't

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By *arex2Couple
over a year ago

Bradford

"I have always wondered what lorry drivers shout at cyclists... probably

"Bloody amateurs !"

... And the rest!

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

One cyclists wearing dark clothing, no lights, doing about 30mph down a hill was almost impossible to see, but fortunately I did see them before I pulled out from a side turning.

All the above is typical of what I see every evening. Yes there are some sensible cyclists, but far too many that are not!

The no lights thing does annoy me when I'm in the car, because I'll be the one who gets prosecuted for undur care and attention if I don't see them.

The best / worst one I saw was a kid in dark clothing, with no lights or reflectors, cycling down the wrong side of the road. Fucking moron.

I wonder if I paint my car matt black, tint the windows out and drive up the pavement with no lights on, it'll be everyone else's fault if they get hit?

I see this a lot. The nature of my shifts means I'm often driving in the early hours of the morning/very late at night. See this all the time (or don't, at least not till the last minute). I think a big part of the problem is the inequality in standards expected of cyclists v cars and the inequality of enforcement. To my mind everyone on the road should be to the same standard of driving/riding and road worthiness regardless of type vehicle."
The reality is that it's almost impossible to get police to prosecute bad driving or antagonism towards cyclists. If the cyclist has no lights you have nothing to fear - your paranoia is groundless.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"I think cycling is a good thing. However, we live in the country and we get many cyclists on the road into the nearest town, narrow, winding road. So you can encounter cyclists around blind bends. I think, in this case, they should cycle on the path, for everyones safety

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since you're clearly worried about not being able to drive to the road conditions or manage your speed appropriately allowing reasonable braking distances why not get the bus? You'd be less stressed and the roads would be safer....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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many country roads dont have pavements though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apart from the pedestrians. It's illegal to cycle on the pavement, you can get a £60 FPN.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no wonder motorists hate us so much

lol through red lights really i think as a pedestrian would walk across a busy road a cyclist as can a pedestrian see the road is clear so makes an informed decision whereas a motorist is subject to a fine if he abuses it, also a car can kill in a minor faux pas where a cycle wouldn't

Cyclist often ride through red lights at crossings, putting the safety of pedestrians at risk......... on 2 occasions cyclists have hit the side of my son’s buggy whilst he’s been in it and I’ve been crossing the road on a green man! Lost count how many times they’ve had a near miss, a cyclist should not ride a red light and any cyclist that does should face charges although I know they won’t as they seem to get away with not following the Highway Code.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"Seems to me this topic has wider issues

I am sorry but a minority of cyclists will spout off it’s in the Highway Code two a breast is legal, we have a right to do this!!

Can’t argue against that

But funny how the cycling proficiency test frowns upon it!!

Maybe these cyclists spouting their rights should go on one...??

Thing is it’s not safe to ride two abreast,

It causes traffic chaos and drivers taking risks due to being held up by cyclists who know this is annoying car drivers

With attitudes like that how do you think car drivers are going to react?

Bit of common sense from both drivers and cyclists is needed..

But I will wager my aunts fanny, that some cycling megalomaniac will totally rubbish this and portray motorist as being the villains we are, and insisting on their rights!!

Really it just silly arguing with that attitude "
oh you do talk some drivel. That self centred self pitying whine about cyclists doing things to annoy drivers is just evidence for a total lack of empathy. Heres a clue:if I'm in primary position or riding two up there's a good reason and it's probably related to road safety.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

no wonder motorists hate us so much

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i think you will always find inconsiderate people on foot on a cycle in a car or in a lorry, in my time though ive seen as a passenger in a car /coach a lot of impatient drivers as a cyclist ive suffered the near misses the window wound down and insults blurted, i enjoy cycling for exercise but its getting really hairy out there

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet

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what? Are you serious

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

what? Are you serious "
are you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no wonder motorists hate us so much

i think you will always find inconsiderate people on foot on a cycle in a car or in a lorry, in my time though ive seen as a passenger in a car /coach a lot of impatient drivers as a cyclist ive suffered the near misses the window wound down and insults blurted, i enjoy cycling for exercise but its getting really hairy out there

There’s good and bad everywhere ........ Sometimes I’m a pedestrian and other times I’m a cyclist (only weekend fun with my kids) BUT mostly I'm a driver and I can honestly say I’ve had more dangerous encounters with cyclists than other drivers or pedestrians! MOST cyclist behave entitled and don’t follow any of the Highway Code

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

Cyclists don't stand a chance theses modern cars go right over the cyclists and those crash helmets make a lovely cracking noise to boot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Car wins it faster snd heavier so 1st round ko

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fooooooooooooookin Ellllllllllllllllllll

You clearly haven't seen the cyclists in London. The fuckers don't even know what a red like is never mind have the patience to stop for one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP is right and I agree with his statement

But to be fair there is good and back in all categories but the ‘proper cyclist’ gets a raw deal

Remember there’s ‘proper cyclists’ and then there’s a guy on a bike straight from the shed with no appropriate gear on.

Don’t group and associate them together.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"There is room for both imo.

Nearly all cyclists and car drivers are respectful of each other and a small minority upset the others. Be respectful of each other is the key"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

OP is right and I agree with his statement

But to be fair there is good and back in all categories but the ‘proper cyclist’ gets a raw deal

Remember there’s ‘proper cyclists’ and then there’s a guy on a bike straight from the shed with no appropriate gear on.

Don’t group and associate them together."

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

We’re not still arguing on this are we? Hi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fooooooooooooookin Ellllllllllllllllllll

You clearly haven't seen the cyclists in London. The fuckers don't even know what a red like is never mind have the patience to stop for one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We’re not still arguing on this are we? Hi "
lol yes hey you dont even notice the cyclists go under the wheels of your mercedes 4x4

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By *erlins5Man
over a year ago

South Fife

"when cyclists pay road tax and insurance they will have same rights as motorists!"

I am trying to keep out of this as it is such an emotive subject....but this one always grinds my gears.....1) There is no such thing as road tax...it got abolished in the 70s and roads are maintained from the general tax pool....so if a cyclist is paying tax then he is paying for the upkeep of the roads....but there is a tax on vehicles and if you drive an electric car or car with low emissions you pay no "road tax" so a cyclist has no emissions so pays the same as those drivers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"when cyclists pay road tax and insurance they will have same rights as motorists!

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great argument

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

I pay £600 per year so is that fair?

I don’t take up as much of the road as three or four cyclists.

So your argument is to be honest total garbage

Sorry not being personal, it just doesn’t make any sense

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By *erlins5Man
over a year ago

South Fife

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I pay £600 per year so is that fair?

I don’t take up as much of the road as three or four cyclists.

So your argument is to be honest total garbage

Sorry not being personal, it just doesn’t make any sense"
youre in a mercedes 4/4 though is that fair

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe not tax but cyclist should have to be on some sort of data_ase/list/registry, god knows how but it does need to happen! They ride around unaccountable for their actions which is probably why most are so reckless, when they ride through red lights and generally ignore the Highway Code they need to be identified...... at the moment they just do what they want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?"

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Maybe not tax but cyclist should have to be on some sort of data_ase/list/registry, god knows how but it does need to happen! They ride around unaccountable for their actions which is probably why most are so reckless, when they ride through red lights and generally ignore the Highway Code they need to be identified...... at the moment they just do what they want

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i think we should all be tagged, no more crime, no more assaults, no more freedom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think we should all be tagged, no more crime, no more assaults, no more freedom

#patronising

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ? "
easy by his finger prints after he’s been flattened by a big rangerover

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ? "

Most lights don’t have cameras... that’s why cars are always going through on red.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ? easy by his finger prints after he’s been flattened by a big rangerover

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or a mercedes 4x4

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ? easy by his finger prints after he’s been flattened by a big rangerover

If only I could get away with riding over a cyclist with my Range Rover unfortunately my number plate would give me up

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

i think we should all be tagged, no more crime, no more assaults, no more freedom

#patronising

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you in the pub to?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The problem with cyclist is that they are too slow for todays traffic and roads. That annoys everybody else.

Or maybe you drive too fast ?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ?

Most lights don’t have cameras... that’s why cars are always going through on red. "

Where I live most lights have cameras

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think we should all be tagged, no more crime, no more assaults, no more freedom

#patronising

you in the pub to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pay £600 per year so is that fair?

You pay that due to the emissions of your vehicle, so yes it's entirely fair.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

There is no path on country roads..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

There is no path on country roads.. "
i said that earlier

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If you are on a blind bend then slow down.. simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a professional driver, cyclists are an absolute thorn in my side.

It's the equivalent of going swimming in well documented shark Infested waters and then getting attacked by a shark. You kick up a fuss and the Shark gets killed. Fucking Moronic if you ask me

(Ps I also own a bike which I use as a hobby. But I ride my bike AWAY from others, so as not to impact/force myself onto others lives.)

As a professional driver, what a load of bollocks you talk. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

i think we should all be tagged, no more crime, no more assaults, no more freedom

#patronising

you in the pub to?

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come here I'll buy you a few

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think we should all be tagged, no more crime, no more assaults, no more freedom

#patronising

you in the pub to?

come here I'll buy you a few "

Thanks but no thx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

i think we should all be tagged, no more crime, no more assaults, no more freedom

#patronising

you in the pub to?

come here I'll buy you a few

Thanks but no thx

"
awww

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"I pay £600 per year so is that fair?

I don’t take up as much of the road as three or four cyclists.

So your argument is to be honest total garbage

Sorry not being personal, it just doesn’t make any senseyoure in a mercedes 4/4 though is that fair

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yes because I paid for it

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The so called 'professional drivers' should drive professionaly and allow for cyclist needs. Or they are not professional at all...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I pay £600 per year so is that fair?

I don’t take up as much of the road as three or four cyclists.

So your argument is to be honest total garbage

Sorry not being personal, it just doesn’t make any senseyoure in a mercedes 4/4 though is that fair

yes because I paid for it

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exactly my point lovely motor

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ? easy by his finger prints after he’s been flattened by a big rangerover

or a mercedes 4x4

Boy you sure have major issues

Just to be honest I bought the Mercedes to cheer me up when I had cancer

So do me a favour and grow up

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ? easy by his finger prints after he’s been flattened by a big rangerover

If only I could get away with riding over a cyclist with my Range Rover unfortunately my number plate would give me up "
I was only joking you can’t just go running Lycra clad people over

you could always take your plate off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"when cyclists pay road tax and insurance they will have same rights as motorists!"

I’m sure we drivers pay road tax for heavy road usage and carbon monoxide emissions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ? easy by his finger prints after he’s been flattened by a big rangerover

If only I could get away with riding over a cyclist with my Range Rover unfortunately my number plate would give me up I was only joking you can’t just go running Lycra clad people over

you could always take your plate off

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Ok cyclists here’s a few facts

You don’t pay toad tax( yes I read earlier posts)

You don’t pay insurance

You didn’t pass a test to say you are skilled enough to ride a bike on the road (earlier quotes prove this see the argument over highway vide vs cyclist proficiency test.

Now I didn’t have issues with hard core attitudes

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Sorry about typos

Bit narked

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ? easy by his finger prints after he’s been flattened by a big rangerover

If only I could get away with riding over a cyclist with my Range Rover unfortunately my number plate would give me up I was only joking you can’t just go running Lycra clad people over

you could always take your plate off

Yep 3.0 litres 300 bhp your point is?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Ok cyclists here’s a few facts

You don’t pay toad tax( yes I read earlier posts)

You don’t pay insurance

You didn’t pass a test to say you are skilled enough to ride a bike on the road (earlier quotes prove this see the argument over highway vide vs cyclist proficiency test.

Now I didn’t have issues with hard core attitudes"

Is the debate about who breaks the rules or who pays the most tax?

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"I generally see 3 to 4 cyclists on my way into work in the morning at 5am.

If one of those has lights on it's unusual,

The 75% figure is being generous, some mornings it's 100%.

Are you suggesting car drivers don’t jump red lights.... are you deluded?

Oh they do but they’re identifiable, most lights have cameras.......... how do you identify a cyclist ? easy by his finger prints after he’s been flattened by a big rangerover

If only I could get away with riding over a cyclist with my Range Rover unfortunately my number plate would give me up I was only joking you can’t just go running Lycra clad people over

you could always take your plate off

Yep 3.0 litres 300 bhp your point is?"
300 bhp not that impressive tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think we should all be tagged, no more crime, no more assaults, no more freedom

#patronising

you in the pub to?

come here I'll buy you a few

Thanks but no thx

awww

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ok cyclists here’s a few facts

You don’t pay toad tax( yes I read earlier posts)

You don’t pay insurance

You didn’t pass a test to say you are skilled enough to ride a bike on the road (earlier quotes prove this see the argument over highway vide vs cyclist proficiency test.

Now I didn’t have issues with hard core attitudes

Is the debate about who breaks the rules or who pays the most tax?"
no its about who is the most impatient

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m a keen cyclist, plenty of idiot drivers about and plenty of idiot cyclists about

We have a problem with idiots not the mode of transport!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, to sum up.

Cyclists who jump red lights and ride more than two abreast - stop cycling like dicks.

Drivers who tailgate, intimidate and overtake dangerously - stop driving like dicks.

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By *razytimesinloveCouple
over a year ago

SW Scotland

THIS !

Motorists don’t realize that it takes longer to overtake a line of cyclists in single file than if they’re two a breast.

I’ve never had an issue with cyclists on A or B roads, it’s filtering through traffic in city centers that’s dangerous.

Yes I’m a cyclist and I’ve seen both sides of the argument.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Seems to be a few people on here who think wanting to get away with murder of a cyclist is something to be proud of. You must be very proud.

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