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By *xperimentalist OP Man
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Okay, some people may think that this is a weird place to ask this, but with so many diverse people in here then someone may be able to help.

I attended a personal improvement meeting as an independent observer for a colleague. The meeting was generally positive, 4 out of 6 targets completely met with good praise, and the other 2 partially met with a little polishing required to get everything achieved and on track.

I was shown the minutes of the meeting today (3 weeks later) to sign as the observer. The minutes did not reflect the meeting and concentrated solely on a few negatives. Over an hour meeting that was condensed into 3 pages. Verbatim questions from those asking them but only one word or one sentence responses recorded.

I don't want to sign the document as it isn't what happened so I don't think it is fair on the colleague.

Is there a recourse to the minutes to comment on them?

Two learnings from this:

- take a dictaphone in future

- don't be so nice and helpful to people that they want you to accompany them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is your position in the firm ?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"Okay, some people may think that this is a weird place to ask this, but with so many diverse people in here then someone may be able to help.

I don't want to sign the document as it isn't what happened so I don't think it is fair on the colleague.

Is there a recourse to the minutes to comment on them?

Two learnings from this:

- take a dictaphone in future

- don't be so nice and helpful to people that they want you to accompany them"

If you don’t agree, don’t sign. It really is that simple. Just be polite and explain why you are not prepared to sign.

The whole purpose of having a witness is to ensure fair play. It seems to have payed off for your colleague in this instance.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I’d refuse and say that was not your recollection of the outcome.

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

If you don't agree, don't sign them and make amendments or state why you disagree. Your colleague will have also been asked to sign a set of minutes so have they refused to sign?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’d refuse and say that was not your recollection of the outcome. "

I'd do that as well if I am sure they couldn't fire me. Because hearing what they did that lad... It seems like they don't give a fuck about being ethical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In addition to the minutes taken is there a performance review tracker that shows your colleagues targets, those that have been met and those still waiting to be hit?

If you don't agree with the minutes you aren't obliged to sign them. It's best to put in writing your reasons for this though and that should be kept with the notes from the meeting x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Disciplinaries, rarely go any other way...... my advice would be don't get involved unless you really don't like your job.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The procedure should be that you update the notes using Microsoft tracked changes with your edits and send this back to the HR Business Partner. The department will usually agree to save this version on file.

Also does the person you’re supporting have more than two years service as if they don’t they are unable to claim unfair dismissal at tribunal if they do get the sack?

It’s important that the notes are a true representation as they could be used as evidence.

I work in HR

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The procedure should be that you update the notes using Microsoft tracked changes with your edits and send this back to the HR Business Partner. The department will usually agree to save this version on file.

Also does the person you’re supporting have more than two years service as if they don’t they are unable to claim unfair dismissal at tribunal if they do get the sack?

It’s important that the notes are a true representation as they could be used as evidence.

I work in HR

x "

After Reading your post I thought your worked at Macdonald's to be honest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Hi guy the way it's goes is you would only put your name to somthing you believe to be a true reflection of the fact.

You should always look over all notes at the time of the (in the meeting) before you leave.

If in short hand you can have it read out .

Notes are notes and will always be some difference to the spoken word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x"

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I've refused to sign many minutes in my time. In my experience my recollection is rarely the same as the minute taker and the chair. Sometimes they would change them and sometimes they wouldn't but I didn't ever sign the ones I didn't agree with.

I also worked for a woman who was incredibly negative when it came to appraisals, she put a negative spin on everything. I think she must have got really fed up with me refusing to sign mine off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong "

I wasn't quoting you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits "

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

Ahem. Pot calling kettle

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits "

McDonald's are a Unites work place

Were there employees have to right to be represented by a trade union ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs"

Shoes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs

Shoes

That is better !

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs"

I know .. these women just seeing us as sex objects, in these modern times

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

Ahem. Pot calling kettle

Is it 'cos they is black?

But yes .. your point?

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

I'd ring my union for advice, so as to do the right thing without putting yourself at risk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs

Shoes

That is better ! "

Come on man, there is only one damn clothed photo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They can't really fire you for refusing to sign without ending up with an employment tribunal, which they would probably lose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

Ahem. Pot calling kettle

Is it 'cos they is black?

But yes .. your point?

Now you are being provocative (again)

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

Ahem. Pot calling kettle

Is it 'cos they is black?

But yes .. your point?

Now you are being provocative (again)

Beats helicoptering at you

Or does it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

Ahem. Pot calling kettle

Is it 'cos they is black?

But yes .. your point?

Now you are being provocative (again)

Beats helicoptering at you

Or does it?

Ooooh, I have never done a pilot

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs"

Do you want to put in a grievance for sexual harassment. We could get the Fab union involved.

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By *xperimentalist OP Man
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider!

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider! "

But yours are nice shoes too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs

Do you want to put in a grievance for sexual harassment. We could get the Fab union involved."

Oi you. Yes you over there. Butt out

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By *orraine999Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere

"Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider! "

Grab the big glass and make it a double.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider!

But yours are nice shoes too

Absolutely stunning shoes

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider!

But yours are nice shoes too

Absolutely stunning shoes

Do you think we recovered it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider!

But yours are nice shoes too

Absolutely stunning shoes

Yes they truly are plus they are owned by a fantastic bloke who how to fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider!

But yours are nice shoes too

Absolutely stunning shoes

Do you think we recovered it?

*crosses fingers*

*smiles sweetly*

*flutters eyelids*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider!

But yours are nice shoes too

Absolutely stunning shoes

Yes they truly are plus they are owned by a fantastic bloke who how to fuck "

You have fucked him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is characteristic of all committee discussions and decisions that every member has a vivid recollection of them and that every member's recollection of them differs violently from every other member's recollection. Consequently we accept the convention that the official decisions are those and only those which have officially recorded in the minutes by the officials, from which it emerges with an elegant inevitability that any decision which has been officially reached will have been officially recorded in the minutes by the officials and any decision which is not recorded in the minutes has not been officially reached even if one or more members believe they can recollect it, so in this particular case if the decision had been officially reached it would have been officially recorded in the minutes by the officials. And it isn't so it wasn't.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

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By *xperimentalist OP Man
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

"Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider!

But yours are nice shoes too

Absolutely stunning shoes

Yes they truly are plus they are owned by a fantastic bloke who how to fuck

You have fucked him

That's between the pair of us, I don't fuck and tell

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs

Do you want to put in a grievance for sexual harassment. We could get the Fab union involved.

Oi you. Yes you over there. Butt out

We will add bullying to the list as well now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you for the views and information so far folks (until the thread was hijacked, and about someone else's shoes, not even mine!). Time for a gin to consider!

But yours are nice shoes too

Absolutely stunning shoes

Yes they truly are plus they are owned by a fantastic bloke who how to fuck

You have fucked him

That's between the pair of us, I don't fuck and tell

Me neither

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs

Do you want to put in a grievance for sexual harassment. We could get the Fab union involved.

Oi you. Yes you over there. Butt out

We will add bullying to the list as well now

*points finger*

Yeah right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs

Do you want to put in a grievance for sexual harassment. We could get the Fab union involved.

Oi you. Yes you over there. Butt out

We will add bullying to the list as well now

*points finger*

Yeah right

Is it not cold enough for pointing your nipples ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing wrong with working at McDonald’s! Lol x

Even McDonald's have HR I believe

I didn't say it was wrong

I wasn't quoting you

Yes but I love your tits

Thanks. Nice....errrm. ...ankles

Tart

I know right !

I am not a guy with nice ankles ! I have feelings ffs

Do you want to put in a grievance for sexual harassment. We could get the Fab union involved.

Oi you. Yes you over there. Butt out

We will add bullying to the list as well now

*points finger*

Yeah right

Is it not cold enough for pointing your nipples ? "

I said 'finger'.

*shrugs, should have gone to specsavers*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Primary school kids at it again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Primary school kids at it again.

Who ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Primary school kids at it again.

Who ?"

Probably meant you but not me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Okay, some people may think that this is a weird place to ask this, but with so many diverse people in here then someone may be able to help.

I don't want to sign the document as it isn't what happened so I don't think it is fair on the colleague.

Is there a recourse to the minutes to comment on them?

Two learnings from this:

- take a dictaphone in future

- don't be so nice and helpful to people that they want you to accompany them"

Did you take any notes at the meeting?

Why wouldn't you help someone next time? This proves why having you there as an independent observer was helpful to your colleague.

I wouldn't sign it if it's not true.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Primary school kids at it again.

I resemble that remark

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Primary school kids at it again.

Who ?

Probably meant you but not me "

Really ? Fun and banter is upsetting someone ? Hell I will try being an offensive biatch then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Primary school kids at it again.

I resemble that remark

And here was me thinking how remarkable you are my lovely

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Primary school kids at it again.

I resemble that remark

And here was me thinking how remarkable you are my lovely

Oh I am .. and modest also ...

You're not so bad yerself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Primary school kids at it again.

I resemble that remark

And here was me thinking how remarkable you are my lovely

Oh I am .. and modest also ...

You're not so bad yerself

*swoons*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Okay, some people may think that this is a weird place to ask this, but with so many diverse people in here then someone may be able to help.

I don't want to sign the document as it isn't what happened so I don't think it is fair on the colleague.

Is there a recourse to the minutes to comment on them?

Two learnings from this:

- take a dictaphone in future

- don't be so nice and helpful to people that they want you to accompany them

If you don’t agree, don’t sign. It really is that simple. Just be polite and explain why you are not prepared to sign.

The whole purpose of having a witness is to ensure fair play. It seems to have payed off for your colleague in this instance."

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok back to the OP please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Okay, some people may think that this is a weird place to ask this, but with so many diverse people in here then someone may be able to help.

I don't want to sign the document as it isn't what happened so I don't think it is fair on the colleague.

Is there a recourse to the minutes to comment on them?

Two learnings from this:

- take a dictaphone in future

- don't be so nice and helpful to people that they want you to accompany them

If you don’t agree, don’t sign. It really is that simple. Just be polite and explain why you are not prepared to sign.

The whole purpose of having a witness is to ensure fair play. It seems to have payed off for your colleague in this instance.

??"

Agree

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

Your integrity is important, never sign off on anything you don't believe in

Especially in this case as you were asked to be and independent observer

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"It is characteristic of all committee discussions and decisions that every member has a vivid recollection of them and that every member's recollection of them differs violently from every other member's recollection. Consequently we accept the convention that the official decisions are those and only those which have officially recorded in the minutes by the officials, from which it emerges with an elegant inevitability that any decision which has been officially reached will have been officially recorded in the minutes by the officials and any decision which is not recorded in the minutes has not been officially reached even if one or more members believe they can recollect it, so in this particular case if the decision had been officially reached it would have been officially recorded in the minutes by the officials. And it isn't so it wasn't.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Awesome!

OP, when you query them, could you make sure you get in the phrases ‘if the shoe was on the other foot’ and ‘wait a minute’ just for amusements sake.

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By *xperimentalist OP Man
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Awesome!

OP, when you query them, could you make sure you get in the phrases ‘if the shoe was on the other foot’ and ‘wait a minute’ just for amusements sake. "

That's tempting

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