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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Or should it be?

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

I think one thread was enough plenty of opinions on first thread

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

In my opinion, we tell our children not to hit their friends when they annoy them. So it's hypocrisy to then do the same to them. And saying it never did me any harm isn't a reasonable response, that's the kind of excuses people who beat children use when justifying the bruises their children have, been there. So it's doesn't help children who are in those awful situations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my opinion, we tell our children not to hit their friends when they annoy them. So it's hypocrisy to then do the same to them. And saying it never did me any harm isn't a reasonable response, that's the kind of excuses people who beat children use when justifying the bruises their children have, been there. So it's doesn't help children who are in those awful situations. "

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"I think one thread was enough plenty of opinions on first thread"

Though I understand your viewpoint, it's such an emotive subject. Just seeing the first post title brought back memories. And I felt I needed to express my opinion instead of bottling it up.

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT


"I think one thread was enough plenty of opinions on first thread

Though I understand your viewpoint, it's such an emotive subject. Just seeing the first post title brought back memories. And I felt I needed to express my opinion instead of bottling it up. "

Yes I agree.

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By *axo25Man
over a year ago

lightwater

I don’t really understand why any parent would choose to put their hands on their children. Yes it’s difficult and very frustrating at times but you should always do your best by your kids, and losing control isn’t an option.

Thankfully it’s not something you see much these days.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Have to say i seriously dont remember being smacked as a child i only know what my mum told me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately it's all in the definition of the wording used. It's migrated from beating, to spanking to smacking to touching.

As with most things the initial reasoning behind it has been clouded by misinterpretation and by those with a particular agenda and by those who were abused in the name of discipline. Much like religion, apparently it causes wars, hatred, child abuse, societal abuse just to quote a few misquotes of very misguided people.

No it doesn't, people do and they hid behind the name of religion.

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By *axo25Man
over a year ago

lightwater


"Unfortunately it's all in the definition of the wording used. It's migrated from beating, to spanking to smacking to touching.

As with most things the initial reasoning behind it has been clouded by misinterpretation and by those with a particular agenda and by those who were abused in the name of discipline. Much like religion, apparently it causes wars, hatred, child abuse, societal abuse just to quote a few misquotes of very misguided people.

No it doesn't, people do and they hid behind the name of religion.

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A good point well made

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there are better ways to discipline children

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Hell no. I got a good few smacks in my day and never did me any harm. Health and safety and all that shite is killing all the fun we used to have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hell no. I got a good few smacks in my day and never did me any harm. Health and safety and all that shite is killing all the fun we used to have "

It’s fun to smack kids?

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By *axo25Man
over a year ago

lightwater


"Hell no. I got a good few smacks in my day and never did me any harm. Health and safety and all that shite is killing all the fun we used to have "

Another cracking point! Ffs!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hell no. I got a good few smacks in my day and never did me any harm. Health and safety and all that shite is killing all the fun we used to have "

It created the wonderful person you are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hell no. I got a good few smacks in my day and never did me any harm. Health and safety and all that shite is killing all the fun we used to have

It’s fun to smack kids?"

It's fun to smack adults in school uniforms

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"Hell no. I got a good few smacks in my day and never did me any harm. Health and safety and all that shite is killing all the fun we used to have

It’s fun to smack kids?

It's fun to smack adults in school uniforms "

Massive difference is that that occurs between two consenting adults.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49908849

Scotland to ban smacking children, so yes in Scotland it will be a criminal offence

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By *inkysexpotMan
over a year ago

leeds

I was disciplined as a child with being smacked and no it didn't do me any harm as such.

I've got two children and I've never raised my hand to them and never will.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think one thread was enough plenty of opinions on first thread"
no i disagree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems..... "

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t really understand why any parent would choose to put their hands on their children. Yes it’s difficult and very frustrating at times but you should always do your best by your kids, and losing control isn’t an option.

Thankfully it’s not something you see much these days. "

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step "

You are not a true forumite without a trip to the naughty step. Erm ... a friend told me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step "

I’m trying so hard to do this too...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step

You are not a true forumite without a trip to the naughty step. Erm ... a friend told me "

My old me did my time there . Then I realised it’s best to keep my opinions to myself and the real world. Fab really is a different kettle of fish! Not worth the grief!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step

I’m trying so hard to do this too... "

I do slip sometimes. It’s been a long process! . I don’t allow myself to even look at the politics thread!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or should it be?"

Yes it is! no need! stern words/mini lecture works for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hitting sends out the wrong message.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hitting sends out the wrong message.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step

I’m trying so hard to do this too...

I do slip sometimes. It’s been a long process! . I don’t allow myself to even look at the politics thread! "

I have no willpower

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step

I’m trying so hard to do this too...

I do slip sometimes. It’s been a long process! . I don’t allow myself to even look at the politics thread!

I have no willpower "

What’s that? Ffs. Another word I have to google!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was disciplined as a child with being smacked and no it didn't do me any harm as such.

I've got two children and I've never raised my hand to them and never will."

I was the same. It was part of growing up when I was a kid. My mates were the same. Back then parents would give their kids a clip round the ear in public and no one would bat an eyelid. I even remember my dad talking to the local Bobby who patrolled the neighbourhood, saying to him, if you ever catch my boys getting up to no good, you have my permission to give them a good kick up the backside lol. It's just the way it was back then. Even in school you got the teachers belt if you gave them reason to. Thank god these days are different. I agree I wouldn't lay a hand on my kids when they were young and if any teacher was to lift a belt to them, I would have been down at that school before they knew what hit them. I definitely see a difference in kids attitudes. These days I think kids are more disrespectful from when I was young. Whether being smacked or not was the reason we were more respectful than today's kids, I don't know. I find taking phones, computers and games consoles away was a good enough punishment

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step

You are not a true forumite without a trip to the naughty step. Erm ... a friend told me

My old me did my time there . Then I realised it’s best to keep my opinions to myself and the real world. Fab really is a different kettle of fish! Not worth the grief!"

I've not ended up in the naughty corner as yet I hold back my opinions on controversial subjects well enough, though I do sometimes slip. I agree, not worth the hassle and too many people are incapable of distinguishing different shades of grey.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step

You are not a true forumite without a trip to the naughty step. Erm ... a friend told me

My old me did my time there . Then I realised it’s best to keep my opinions to myself and the real world. Fab really is a different kettle of fish! Not worth the grief!

I've not ended up in the naughty corner as yet I hold back my opinions on controversial subjects well enough, though I do sometimes slip. I agree, not worth the hassle and too many people are incapable of distinguishing different shades of grey. "

All 50 of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step

You are not a true forumite without a trip to the naughty step. Erm ... a friend told me

My old me did my time there . Then I realised it’s best to keep my opinions to myself and the real world. Fab really is a different kettle of fish! Not worth the grief!

I've not ended up in the naughty corner as yet I hold back my opinions on controversial subjects well enough, though I do sometimes slip. I agree, not worth the hassle and too many people are incapable of distinguishing different shades of grey. "

Haha. If only I copy and pasted your opinions mwahahahahahahahahahaha

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Never really had to smack my girls at all tbh

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By *ackdd72Man
over a year ago

the valleys

I had a good few clips and the occasional shoeing when growing up thoroughly deserved for many although I still protest my innocence for one of them and it never did me any harm

I'll give you an incident that happened earlier this year to me

I live about a mile or so away from a local council estate with two large fields ideal for walking my dog

I was throwing a ball for my dog and noticed two of the ratkids (I would guess they were around 10 or 11) from the estate over by some trees they were throwing apples around as we got closer they started throwing them at us and I of course shouted at them to stop as a few were getting a bit close they responded in the colourful manner of most children these days I thought ok fun and games over called my dog and went to the other field they followed us and having run out of apples to throw the threw bricks instead one hit me and a few hit my dog who started limping I lost my rag and chased them but they bolted they had fractured my dogs leg I found out after taking him to the vets and in all it cost me about £700 I reported it to the police who basically told me when it came down to it,it would be my word against theirs as to what happened and they were sorry that there was nothing they could really do

I confronted one of the parents after a bit of searching and was met with the same colourful tone as the rats and on a few occasions since I've seen them at the same field and they always bolt when they see me I can tell you now that if I do ever catch them the very least they will have is a clip and I'm more than happy to have a discussion with their parents or the police if they become involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No it shouldnt, it is not the state that are raising them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The world is grey and everyone wants black or white it seems.....

And that comment my lovely epitomises fab for me.

Tis why I (mostly!) avoid the more serious threads now and have less trips to the naughty step

You are not a true forumite without a trip to the naughty step. Erm ... a friend told me

My old me did my time there . Then I realised it’s best to keep my opinions to myself and the real world. Fab really is a different kettle of fish! Not worth the grief!

I've not ended up in the naughty corner as yet I hold back my opinions on controversial subjects well enough, though I do sometimes slip. I agree, not worth the hassle and too many people are incapable of distinguishing different shades of grey.

Haha. If only I copy and pasted your opinions mwahahahahahahahahahaha "
do it do it do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had a good few clips and the occasional shoeing when growing up thoroughly deserved for many although I still protest my innocence for one of them and it never did me any harm

I'll give you an incident that happened earlier this year to me

I live about a mile or so away from a local council estate with two large fields ideal for walking my dog

I was throwing a ball for my dog and noticed two of the ratkids (I would guess they were around 10 or 11) from the estate over by some trees they were throwing apples around as we got closer they started throwing them at us and I of course shouted at them to stop as a few were getting a bit close they responded in the colourful manner of most children these days I thought ok fun and games over called my dog and went to the other field they followed us and having run out of apples to throw the threw bricks instead one hit me and a few hit my dog who started limping I lost my rag and chased them but they bolted they had fractured my dogs leg I found out after taking him to the vets and in all it cost me about £700 I reported it to the police who basically told me when it came down to it,it would be my word against theirs as to what happened and they were sorry that there was nothing they could really do

I confronted one of the parents after a bit of searching and was met with the same colourful tone as the rats and on a few occasions since I've seen them at the same field and they always bolt when they see me I can tell you now that if I do ever catch them the very least they will have is a clip and I'm more than happy to have a discussion with their parents or the police if they become involved "

Little shits. The parents sound lovely also. I know you're angry and rightly so. I'd be very careful though. You dont want to end up in court on an assault charge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had a good few clips and the occasional shoeing when growing up thoroughly deserved for many although I still protest my innocence for one of them and it never did me any harm

I'll give you an incident that happened earlier this year to me

I live about a mile or so away from a local council estate with two large fields ideal for walking my dog

I was throwing a ball for my dog and noticed two of the ratkids (I would guess they were around 10 or 11) from the estate over by some trees they were throwing apples around as we got closer they started throwing them at us and I of course shouted at them to stop as a few were getting a bit close they responded in the colourful manner of most children these days I thought ok fun and games over called my dog and went to the other field they followed us and having run out of apples to throw the threw bricks instead one hit me and a few hit my dog who started limping I lost my rag and chased them but they bolted they had fractured my dogs leg I found out after taking him to the vets and in all it cost me about £700 I reported it to the police who basically told me when it came down to it,it would be my word against theirs as to what happened and they were sorry that there was nothing they could really do

I confronted one of the parents after a bit of searching and was met with the same colourful tone as the rats and on a few occasions since I've seen them at the same field and they always bolt when they see me I can tell you now that if I do ever catch them the very least they will have is a clip and I'm more than happy to have a discussion with their parents or the police if they become involved "

Jesus it’s one thing giving a ‘clip’ to your own kids...

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

No, smacking children should NOT be criminal. Keep the State out of how parents raise their children.

I was smacked occasionally as a youngster, also caned at school.

I grew up to be a fairly well balanced

individual who respects the law and other people.

Today very little respect for authority.

The politicians have stopped the Police doing their job.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Hell no. I got a good few smacks in my day and never did me any harm. Health and safety and all that shite is killing all the fun we used to have

It’s fun to smack kids?

It's fun to smack adults in school uniforms "

Where do you think it started, back in school being smacked as a naughty teenager.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Iv always said no but recently I saw a father full wack his 10/11 year old very hard around the head. So in that case, yes definitely.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Iv always said no but recently I saw a father full wack his 10/11 year old very hard around the head. So in that case, yes definitely. "

Does not sound too good. Not the same as a smack across the legs or buttocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Grrrr, did some shit just go missing? I was making a cracking point...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Iv always said no but recently I saw a father full wack his 10/11 year old very hard around the head. So in that case, yes definitely.

Does not sound too good. Not the same as a smack across the legs or buttocks."

Exactly and that's why I'm not sure it should be criminalised.

As you said there is a big difference between a a smack on the hand or across the legs and what I witnessed. I still regret not saying anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon "

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon "

You mean, they don't already ....???!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon "

Women dominating men too with their boobs and vaginas....... .....where will it all end.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

Women dominating men too with their boobs and vaginas....... .....where will it all end..... "

Arise sir Nippy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

You mean, they don't already ....???!!!"

Ok slap ‘em

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

Women dominating men too with their boobs and vaginas....... .....where will it all end.....

Arise sir Nippy "

Trying to keep it down tbf after a quick look at Mrs's pics.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

You mean, they don't already ....???!!!"

Not if your a good parent they won't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

You mean, they don't already ....???!!!

Not if your a good parent they won't. "

Depending who they hang out with , I see it all the time first hand . irrespective of class of said parent (s)

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

You mean, they don't already ....???!!!

Not if your a good parent they won't.

Depending who they hang out with , I see it all the time first hand . irrespective of class of said parent (s) "
plenty uni kids are cunts not just the fodder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

You mean, they don't already ....???!!!

Not if your a good parent they won't.

Depending who they hang out with , I see it all the time first hand . irrespective of class of said parent (s) "

Iv bought up my kids without hitting them. They are amazing individuals. Irrespective of who they hung out with they didn't give me any bother or get in any trouble with the police.They left school with qualifications and that's down to me keeping them grounded and communicating with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

You mean, they don't already ....???!!!

Not if your a good parent they won't.

Depending who they hang out with , I see it all the time first hand . irrespective of class of said parent (s)

Iv bought up my kids without hitting them. They are amazing individuals. Irrespective of who they hung out with they didn't give me any bother or get in any trouble with the police.They left school with qualifications and that's down to me keeping them grounded and communicating with them.

"

It's great that it all worked out well for you but for many it's not that simple!

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By *lbinoGorillaMan
over a year ago

Redditch


"Hell no. I got a good few smacks in my day and never did me any harm. Health and safety and all that shite is killing all the fun we used to have

It’s fun to smack kids?

It's fun to smack adults in school uniforms "

And how exactly did they discover that they like it??

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Pleased you were able to bring your off spring up without any physical chastisement. My concern is the criminalizing of something which for some parents maybe a necessary sanction. The State should not be involved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids will soon be ruling adults soon

You mean, they don't already ....???!!!

Not if your a good parent they won't.

Depending who they hang out with , I see it all the time first hand . irrespective of class of said parent (s)

Iv bought up my kids without hitting them. They are amazing individuals. Irrespective of who they hung out with they didn't give me any bother or get in any trouble with the police.They left school with qualifications and that's down to me keeping them grounded and communicating with them.

It's great that it all worked out well for you but for many it's not that simple! "

Bringing up kids isn't simple !

As much as there are bad kids there are equally as many bad parent's. Hitting your child is bad parenting.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

In your opinion......!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pleased you were able to bring your off spring up without any physical chastisement. My concern is the criminalizing of something which for some parents maybe a necessary sanction. The State should not be involved. "

Why is physical chastisement sometimes necessary, that's crazy and cruel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In your opinion......!!"

Yes in my opinion which im allowed to give ?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Again your view....works for you. Others may see things differently.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

My concern is the State bringing the law into the matter which should be left the families....

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I admitted on the other thread that i lost control once and gave my son a walloping on the arse. There really is no need for physical violence. My son didnt need much punishment. When he was about 14 he through a massive paddy and kicked the wall and put a dent in it. I never said a word i just looked at him he knew damn well he had overstepped the mark. He went really quiet and sheepish for ages before he apoligised. The thing that got to my son and upset him the most was when i told him i was disappointed in him

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over a year ago

I understand that it should never be the first line of discipline, but I do not think it should be criminalised.

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over a year ago

Well we all got a smack or two well deserved as kids too and turned out to be decent respectful adults. The world has gone mad enough as it is..

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"I understand that it should never be the first line of discipline, but I do not think it should be criminalised."

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over a year ago

I am assuming that this thread is in response to new laws being made in Scotland.

About time too.

I don't believe physically assaulting your children is justifiable in any circumstances.

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over a year ago


"Well we all got a smack or two well deserved as kids too and turned out to be decent respectful adults. The world has gone mad enough as it is.. "

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over a year ago

In my own experience, every hotel I've ever stayed in around Europe if there's a child screaming and misbehaving by the pool, in the restaurant or anywhere else, it's invariably a British child. The parents always seem to ignore them and concentrate harder on their smart phones. Is this because the parent won't smack or discipline the child or because they can't?

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over a year ago


"I am assuming that this thread is in response to new laws being made in Scotland.

About time too.

I don't believe physically assaulting your children is justifiable in any circumstances."

I agree and it's interesting how you interchanged smacking which in the context of the thread is about discipline that you changed it to mean assaulting.

This is why as I explained earlier that it cannot be be debated unless terms are explained.

Far too many assumptions are made by far too many snowflakes often themselves either abused and so equate discipline for abuse or don't have kids and have little experience of raising them.

Many assume that there is only one way to discipline.

Having raised 4 kids what I will say on this is that kids are different and respond differently to different forms of discipline. What works well for one may not get the same desired effect for another.

There are a lot of abused kids in this world and it's not because they got smacked but because they didn't get punished, not disciplined and got away with most anything. Their abuse has been that they were not taught discipline nor respect. They have got everything they asked for, that's also abusive. Some of the cheekiest unrespectful kids I've met are ones who come from parents who haven't disciplined and not been consistent with it. We will reap in later years what we've overlooked now.

I was spanked, but never abused or 'hit' or beaten and there is a difference. If you don't know it then I may suggest it's how you were disciplined that demonstrates lack of differentiation.

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over a year ago


"In my own experience, every hotel I've ever stayed in around Europe if there's a child screaming and misbehaving by the pool, in the restaurant or anywhere else, it's invariably a British child. The parents always seem to ignore them and concentrate harder on their smart phones. Is this because the parent won't smack or discipline the child or because they can't?"

Both. Hands tied because it's frowned on and fear of some one misguided by calling it beating and abuse.

I listened to an interesting radio debate on this a few years ago and on one side was this parent defending their right to use snaking if necessary and on the other and spokes person for some organisation (found out later she had no kids of her own). The later kept using the word abuse and the parent asked them why they insisted on using that word as they were discussing discipline. She just kept saying spanking was physical abuse. The parent then said, well if that is your agenda then you should be looking at the many other types of abuse, like psychological and emotional which is much more damaging long term. She had no real response to that. It's harder to guage on a chart and open to question so not easy to address, where as snaking is the easy target.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

I wouldn't "physically discipline" an animal, let alone my own children. It's a lazy way of parenting, give them a smack and they'll be too scared to do it again. I don't want my kids to be scared of me, I've never hit them, and I've managed to raise so far two very well behaved youngsters. Oh and my parents never hit me, so my opinion isn't the result of an abusive upbringing either.

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over a year ago


"I am assuming that this thread is in response to new laws being made in Scotland.

About time too.

I don't believe physically assaulting your children is justifiable in any circumstances.

I agree and it's interesting how you interchanged smacking which in the context of the thread is about discipline that you changed it to mean assaulting.

This is why as I explained earlier that it cannot be be debated unless terms are explained.

Far too many assumptions are made by far too many snowflakes often themselves either abused and so equate discipline for abuse or don't have kids and have little experience of raising them.

Many assume that there is only one way to discipline.

Having raised 4 kids what I will say on this is that kids are different and respond differently to different forms of discipline. What works well for one may not get the same desired effect for another.

There are a lot of abused kids in this world and it's not because they got smacked but because they didn't get punished, not disciplined and got away with most anything. Their abuse has been that they were not taught discipline nor respect. They have got everything they asked for, that's also abusive. Some of the cheekiest unrespectful kids I've met are ones who come from parents who haven't disciplined and not been consistent with it. We will reap in later years what we've overlooked now.

I was spanked, but never abused or 'hit' or beaten and there is a difference. If you don't know it then I may suggest it's how you were disciplined that demonstrates lack of differentiation."

Spot on

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over a year ago


"I am assuming that this thread is in response to new laws being made in Scotland.

About time too.

I don't believe physically assaulting your children is justifiable in any circumstances.

I agree and it's interesting how you interchanged smacking which in the context of the thread is about discipline that you changed it to mean assaulting.

This is why as I explained earlier that it cannot be be debated unless terms are explained.

Far too many assumptions are made by far too many snowflakes often themselves either abused and so equate discipline for abuse or don't have kids and have little experience of raising them.

Many assume that there is only one way to discipline.

Having raised 4 kids what I will say on this is that kids are different and respond differently to different forms of discipline. What works well for one may not get the same desired effect for another.

There are a lot of abused kids in this world and it's not because they got smacked but because they didn't get punished, not disciplined and got away with most anything. Their abuse has been that they were not taught discipline nor respect. They have got everything they asked for, that's also abusive. Some of the cheekiest unrespectful kids I've met are ones who come from parents who haven't disciplined and not been consistent with it. We will reap in later years what we've overlooked now.

I was spanked, but never abused or 'hit' or beaten and there is a difference. If you don't know it then I may suggest it's how you were disciplined that demonstrates lack of differentiation."

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

I was smacked by my Mother, but when she lost her temper it wouldn't stop until her anger subsides. So I would behave because I was scared, I didn't know how far she may go when she was mad at me.

She isn't a terrible person in those days we all got smacked, however we aren't close and I've never forgotten it.

Yes, you may think it's ok to smack your children and may thank you for it in the future especially if they believe it helped keep them on the straight and narrow. But others may not, just like me every smack meant I moved away and lost some of the love I had for the woman who gave birth to me and certainly cared and nursed me as a baby. Non of that remembered I just recall mainly the anger now and how scared I was of it.

So I don't smack my Lads and hope I'm doing a good job, by using other methods of discipline.

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over a year ago


"I am assuming that this thread is in response to new laws being made in Scotland.

About time too.

I don't believe physically assaulting your children is justifiable in any circumstances.

I agree and it's interesting how you interchanged smacking which in the context of the thread is about discipline that you changed it to mean assaulting.

This is why as I explained earlier that it cannot be be debated unless terms are explained.

Far too many assumptions are made by far too many snowflakes often themselves either abused and so equate discipline for abuse or don't have kids and have little experience of raising them.

Many assume that there is only one way to discipline.

Having raised 4 kids what I will say on this is that kids are different and respond differently to different forms of discipline. What works well for one may not get the same desired effect for another.

There are a lot of abused kids in this world and it's not because they got smacked but because they didn't get punished, not disciplined and got away with most anything. Their abuse has been that they were not taught discipline nor respect. They have got everything they asked for, that's also abusive. Some of the cheekiest unrespectful kids I've met are ones who come from parents who haven't disciplined and not been consistent with it. We will reap in later years what we've overlooked now.

I was spanked, but never abused or 'hit' or beaten and there is a difference. If you don't know it then I may suggest it's how you were disciplined that demonstrates lack of differentiation."

This ^^^

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over a year ago


"I was smacked by my Mother, but when she lost her temper it wouldn't stop until her anger subsides. So I would behave because I was scared, I didn't know how far she may go when she was mad at me.

She isn't a terrible person in those days we all got smacked, however we aren't close and I've never forgotten it.

Yes, you may think it's ok to smack your children and may thank you for it in the future especially if they believe it helped keep them on the straight and narrow. But others may not, just like me every smack meant I moved away and lost some of the love I had for the woman who gave birth to me and certainly cared and nursed me as a baby. Non of that remembered I just recall mainly the anger now and how scared I was of it.

So I don't smack my Lads and hope I'm doing a good job, by using other methods of discipline. "

I'm sorry to hear this happened and it goes to highlight a very common misrepresentation.

What you have described is what I see as abuse, not discipline. That's bullying and venting ones anger on a weak person who cannot defend themselves which happens a lot.

Unfortunately I feel many throw the bath out with the dirty water not able to see that it's the water that is dirty not the bath. The bath will hold fresh clean water and is still suitable for what it was designed for.

Just because a child was abused when physically disciplined, doesn't mean that all physical discipline is abusive, nor that they would do the same.

Unfortunately this is the approach much of our society takes today with most things. An inability to discern and differentiate, maybe borne out from threats of being falsely reported.

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By *easidegirlWoman
over a year ago

south shore

Nowadays its not right, not accepted. Back in the 70's it was normal. I wasn't traumatised, or feared my parents it was a normal, common acceptable thing growing up as a kid.

I didn't smack mine but one does wonder..kids seem out of control now, no respect for authority, know their rights and seem to get away with things. And I'm not generalising..its true in a lot of cases. I don't know what the answer is but please don't think all of us who got a smack got traumatised..a smack not a beating or touching inappropriately..

We respected adults, our parents and authority back then, not feared..respected.

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over a year ago


"I wouldn't "physically discipline" an animal, let alone my own children. It's a lazy way of parenting, give them a smack and they'll be too scared to do it again. I don't want my kids to be scared of me, I've never hit them, and I've managed to raise so far two very well behaved youngsters. Oh and my parents never hit me, so my opinion isn't the result of an abusive upbringing either. "

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"I was smacked by my Mother, but when she lost her temper it wouldn't stop until her anger subsides. So I would behave because I was scared, I didn't know how far she may go when she was mad at me.

She isn't a terrible person in those days we all got smacked, however we aren't close and I've never forgotten it.

Yes, you may think it's ok to smack your children and may thank you for it in the future especially if they believe it helped keep them on the straight and narrow. But others may not, just like me every smack meant I moved away and lost some of the love I had for the woman who gave birth to me and certainly cared and nursed me as a baby. Non of that remembered I just recall mainly the anger now and how scared I was of it.

So I don't smack my Lads and hope I'm doing a good job, by using other methods of discipline.

I'm sorry to hear this happened and it goes to highlight a very common misrepresentation.

What you have described is what I see as abuse, not discipline. That's bullying and venting ones anger on a weak person who cannot defend themselves which happens a lot.

Unfortunately I feel many throw the bath out with the dirty water not able to see that it's the water that is dirty not the bath. The bath will hold fresh clean water and is still suitable for what it was designed for.

Just because a child was abused when physically disciplined, doesn't mean that all physical discipline is abusive, nor that they would do the same.

Unfortunately this is the approach much of our society takes today with most things. An inability to discern and differentiate, maybe borne out from threats of being falsely reported.

"

I like you. You speak sense. Never thought I’d say that on here.

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over a year ago


"I was smacked by my Mother, but when she lost her temper it wouldn't stop until her anger subsides. So I would behave because I was scared, I didn't know how far she may go when she was mad at me.

She isn't a terrible person in those days we all got smacked, however we aren't close and I've never forgotten it.

Yes, you may think it's ok to smack your children and may thank you for it in the future especially if they believe it helped keep them on the straight and narrow. But others may not, just like me every smack meant I moved away and lost some of the love I had for the woman who gave birth to me and certainly cared and nursed me as a baby. Non of that remembered I just recall mainly the anger now and how scared I was of it.

So I don't smack my Lads and hope I'm doing a good job, by using other methods of discipline.

I'm sorry to hear this happened and it goes to highlight a very common misrepresentation.

What you have described is what I see as abuse, not discipline. That's bullying and venting ones anger on a weak person who cannot defend themselves which happens a lot.

Unfortunately I feel many throw the bath out with the dirty water not able to see that it's the water that is dirty not the bath. The bath will hold fresh clean water and is still suitable for what it was designed for.

Just because a child was abused when physically disciplined, doesn't mean that all physical discipline is abusive, nor that they would do the same.

Unfortunately this is the approach much of our society takes today with most things. An inability to discern and differentiate, maybe borne out from threats of being falsely reported.

I like you. You speak sense. Never thought I’d say that on here. "
you lier

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over a year ago


"I was smacked by my Mother, but when she lost her temper it wouldn't stop until her anger subsides. So I would behave because I was scared, I didn't know how far she may go when she was mad at me.

She isn't a terrible person in those days we all got smacked, however we aren't close and I've never forgotten it.

Yes, you may think it's ok to smack your children and may thank you for it in the future especially if they believe it helped keep them on the straight and narrow. But others may not, just like me every smack meant I moved away and lost some of the love I had for the woman who gave birth to me and certainly cared and nursed me as a baby. Non of that remembered I just recall mainly the anger now and how scared I was of it.

So I don't smack my Lads and hope I'm doing a good job, by using other methods of discipline.

I'm sorry to hear this happened and it goes to highlight a very common misrepresentation.

What you have described is what I see as abuse, not discipline. That's bullying and venting ones anger on a weak person who cannot defend themselves which happens a lot.

Unfortunately I feel many throw the bath out with the dirty water not able to see that it's the water that is dirty not the bath. The bath will hold fresh clean water and is still suitable for what it was designed for.

Just because a child was abused when physically disciplined, doesn't mean that all physical discipline is abusive, nor that they would do the same.

Unfortunately this is the approach much of our society takes today with most things. An inability to discern and differentiate, maybe borne out from threats of being falsely reported.

I like you. You speak sense. Never thought I’d say that on here. you lier "

Haha. Meaning you????

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"I was smacked by my Mother, but when she lost her temper it wouldn't stop until her anger subsides. So I would behave because I was scared, I didn't know how far she may go when she was mad at me.

She isn't a terrible person in those days we all got smacked, however we aren't close and I've never forgotten it.

Yes, you may think it's ok to smack your children and may thank you for it in the future especially if they believe it helped keep them on the straight and narrow. But others may not, just like me every smack meant I moved away and lost some of the love I had for the woman who gave birth to me and certainly cared and nursed me as a baby. Non of that remembered I just recall mainly the anger now and how scared I was of it.

So I don't smack my Lads and hope I'm doing a good job, by using other methods of discipline.

I'm sorry to hear this happened and it goes to highlight a very common misrepresentation.

What you have described is what I see as abuse, not discipline. That's bullying and venting ones anger on a weak person who cannot defend themselves which happens a lot.

Unfortunately I feel many throw the bath out with the dirty water not able to see that it's the water that is dirty not the bath. The bath will hold fresh clean water and is still suitable for what it was designed for.

Just because a child was abused when physically disciplined, doesn't mean that all physical discipline is abusive, nor that they would do the same.

Unfortunately this is the approach much of our society takes today with most things. An inability to discern and differentiate, maybe borne out from threats of being falsely reported.

"

I was abused and I clearly see the difference between abuse and physical punishment. The point many abused people make is that where are the lines, who defined the punishment, is it a smack on the back of the hand? Or 10 smacks on the bum? For what should physical discipline be used for? As there are no hardfast rules, it makes it easier for abusers to hide behind the term discipline. So whilst I understand the difference, I seen on this thread many people who have been abused. If we as children knew that it was wrong to hit maybe so many of us wouldn't have had the upbringings we've had.

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over a year ago


"I was smacked by my Mother, but when she lost her temper it wouldn't stop until her anger subsides. So I would behave because I was scared, I didn't know how far she may go when she was mad at me.

She isn't a terrible person in those days we all got smacked, however we aren't close and I've never forgotten it.

Yes, you may think it's ok to smack your children and may thank you for it in the future especially if they believe it helped keep them on the straight and narrow. But others may not, just like me every smack meant I moved away and lost some of the love I had for the woman who gave birth to me and certainly cared and nursed me as a baby. Non of that remembered I just recall mainly the anger now and how scared I was of it.

So I don't smack my Lads and hope I'm doing a good job, by using other methods of discipline.

I'm sorry to hear this happened and it goes to highlight a very common misrepresentation.

What you have described is what I see as abuse, not discipline. That's bullying and venting ones anger on a weak person who cannot defend themselves which happens a lot.

Unfortunately I feel many throw the bath out with the dirty water not able to see that it's the water that is dirty not the bath. The bath will hold fresh clean water and is still suitable for what it was designed for.

Just because a child was abused when physically disciplined, doesn't mean that all physical discipline is abusive, nor that they would do the same.

Unfortunately this is the approach much of our society takes today with most things. An inability to discern and differentiate, maybe borne out from threats of being falsely reported.

I like you. You speak sense. Never thought I’d say that on here. you lier

Haha. Meaning you???? "
you tell me all the time im the smartest here

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over a year ago


"Nowadays its not right, not accepted. Back in the 70's it was normal. I wasn't traumatised, or feared my parents it was a normal, common acceptable thing growing up as a kid.

I didn't smack mine but one does wonder..kids seem out of control now, no respect for authority, know their rights and seem to get away with things. And I'm not generalising..its true in a lot of cases. I don't know what the answer is but please don't think all of us who got a smack got traumatised..a smack not a beating or touching inappropriately..

We respected adults, our parents and authority back then, not feared..respected."

I remember when choosing to do something that if caught I'd get a smack for (no beating etc) knowing the consequence and excepting it ... didn't hate my parents or authority and never was traumatised but did learn respect and responsibility

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"I was smacked by my Mother, but when she lost her temper it wouldn't stop until her anger subsides. So I would behave because I was scared, I didn't know how far she may go when she was mad at me.

She isn't a terrible person in those days we all got smacked, however we aren't close and I've never forgotten it.

Yes, you may think it's ok to smack your children and may thank you for it in the future especially if they believe it helped keep them on the straight and narrow. But others may not, just like me every smack meant I moved away and lost some of the love I had for the woman who gave birth to me and certainly cared and nursed me as a baby. Non of that remembered I just recall mainly the anger now and how scared I was of it.

So I don't smack my Lads and hope I'm doing a good job, by using other methods of discipline.

I'm sorry to hear this happened and it goes to highlight a very common misrepresentation.

What you have described is what I see as abuse, not discipline. That's bullying and venting ones anger on a weak person who cannot defend themselves which happens a lot.

Unfortunately I feel many throw the bath out with the dirty water not able to see that it's the water that is dirty not the bath. The bath will hold fresh clean water and is still suitable for what it was designed for.

Just because a child was abused when physically disciplined, doesn't mean that all physical discipline is abusive, nor that they would do the same.

Unfortunately this is the approach much of our society takes today with most things. An inability to discern and differentiate, maybe borne out from threats of being falsely reported.

I was abused and I clearly see the difference between abuse and physical punishment. The point many abused people make is that where are the lines, who defined the punishment, is it a smack on the back of the hand? Or 10 smacks on the bum? For what should physical discipline be used for? As there are no hardfast rules, it makes it easier for abusers to hide behind the term discipline. So whilst I understand the difference, I seen on this thread many people who have been abused. If we as children knew that it was wrong to hit maybe so many of us wouldn't have had the upbringings we've had."

Those are big questions that unfortunately are hard to define in black and white terms and yet many trying to do that like much if today's approach to rules. Trying to fit a square peg into a round hole only creates friction and deforming of the original.

Unfortunately what I've seen in more current trends is the increasing rightful parental responsibilities of the majority being removed by some trying to solve minority problem (not to diminish the severity of that minority problem by saying that in any way).

We need to be aware that by removing tools that are effective by those who know how to use them because those who abuse them don't know how, then we will and have created other problems.

I do not believe for one minute that criminalising spanking will not stop the abusive parenting, but all it will do is cause issues for loving po arents and families who use it correctly and effectively, will criminalise them and those who beat because of other personal issues or inability to control themselves will still continue to abuse and vent themselves on the weaker person in other more physical ways and in emotional.

What I see is a blanket law being made that removes any responsibility of the accuser to demonstrate clearly that it was an abusive act and not one done in any form of care and love to teach and ultimately train.

On a side note someone mentioned they would physically punish an animal so definitely not their child. Have you watched the animal kingdom. Many examples of physical discipline done in a caring way to teach.

On that note I'll now out. It's been a good topic and thank you OP. Shows emmotive subjects can be discussed without beating each other up (sorry couldn't resist) .

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over a year ago

Hmmm let's think,hot the cane at school,would've been smacked at home if naughty,respected mostly what adults said,was scared of the police

Today? Kids 'know their rights',seems like theres not much respect for police,'cant tell me what to do'attitude

No this liberal idea of talking to kids,letting the do what they want hasn't worked,needs to be some final resort if they continue to misbehave

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"

On a side note someone mentioned they would physically punish an animal so definitely not their child. Have you watched the animal kingdom. Many examples of physical discipline done in a caring way to teach.

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Some animals also eat their young, so I don't think I'll be taking parenting tips from the animal kingdom

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over a year ago


"

On a side note someone mentioned they would physically punish an animal so definitely not their child. Have you watched the animal kingdom. Many examples of physical discipline done in a caring way to teach.

Some animals also eat their young, so I don't think I'll be taking parenting tips from the animal kingdom "

Interesting deduction.

And that's the point I was making earlier. Throw the bath out with the dirty water approach only ends up with an unwashed filthy body.

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So if I'm correct, you're equating eating young because its to do with keeping their gene pool safe as a reason that animals don't know how to parent?

Anyway hope this thread stays true and doesn't spiral.

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By *hechapMan
over a year ago

Derry

It should not!

Soon the children will be controlling the parents and telling them the rules.

The parents will just have to sit in the corner and say nothing as the children will have all these rights and wont be told what to do or what not to do.

They will do what they want and wont be disiplined in any way.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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I’ve read through the thread and my mind is unchanged.

I was never struck and would never physically discipline someone. I would feel like I had failed. I don’t see any justification for it.

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By *ylvie 888Woman
over a year ago

Cleethorpes


"I think one thread was enough plenty of opinions on first thread"

I Agree

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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"It should not!

Soon the children will be controlling the parents and telling them the rules.

The parents will just have to sit in the corner and say nothing as the children will have all these rights and wont be told what to do or what not to do.

They will do what they want and wont be disiplined in any way.

"

That isn’t about being physical though is it? That’s about lack of boundaries and guidance, rules etc. Having no boundaries and rules but giving your child a clip around the ear will not give a better behaved child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It should not!

Soon the children will be controlling the parents and telling them the rules.

The parents will just have to sit in the corner and say nothing as the children will have all these rights and wont be told what to do or what not to do.

They will do what they want and wont be disiplined in any way.

That isn’t about being physical though is it? That’s about lack of boundaries and guidance, rules etc. Having no boundaries and rules but giving your child a clip around the ear will not give a better behaved child. "

No it won't and I'm anti smacking but I'm also anti criminalising otherwise good parents. But I totally agree with you Babs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a dad of 2 girls. When my kids reached 7 years old. I sat them both down and explained a few things.

"I don't ever want to smack you, but it you misbehave I will smack you." At this point I smacked the table as hard as I could.

"That's how hard I will smack you. I don't want to smack you but if you misbehave I will."

I am proud to say I have never smacked my 2 girls. The threat was enough.

It's like prison. It should be there as a deterant. Because like prison when it's not a deterant its no longer effective.

Parents have to have a deterant and be prepared to use if the situation warrants it. Doesn't have to be a smack. ( Gonna get long sorry.)

I once instructed both girls to polish my boots (an hour of military style balling boots.). When they were done they absolutely gleamed. I then told then to throw the boots in the bin. The look of confusion was priceless. They did as asked then asked the key question.

We spent all that time cleaning the boots, so why put them in the bin?

My answer: " you were being punished because you lied to me. So you learn that lying to your parents is a waste of time. Next time it will be easier and quicker to just tell me the truth won't it."

No beating, no smack lesson learned.

Smacking should be a weapon of last resort. But if anyone finds that they have to continually smack their child then they really have consider why? Because it's clearly not working.

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By *oldyoudown41Man
over a year ago

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Yes this is a touchy subject, but look at society over the past 20 years of kids not being disciplined...

No respect, I mean non .

No fear ,

Torment the elderly, I see this daily.

Just listen to the news ..

this did not happen in the 80/90 growing up.

I was disciplined and now is suffer from a rear thing called respect..

I don’t mean to beat them up but to make it illegal, oh god, the world is fucked .

And before I get slated , no I don’t approve of abusing, slight difference . Strong opinion on this .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a dad of 2 girls. When my kids reached 7 years old. I sat them both down and explained a few things.

"I don't ever want to smack you, but it you misbehave I will smack you." At this point I smacked the table as hard as I could.

"That's how hard I will smack you. I don't want to smack you but if you misbehave I will."

I am proud to say I have never smacked my 2 girls. The threat was enough.

It's like prison. It should be there as a deterant. Because like prison when it's not a deterant its no longer effective.

Parents have to have a deterant and be prepared to use if the situation warrants it. Doesn't have to be a smack. ( Gonna get long sorry.)

I once instructed both girls to polish my boots (an hour of military style balling boots.). When they were done they absolutely gleamed. I then told then to throw the boots in the bin. The look of confusion was priceless. They did as asked then asked the key question.

We spent all that time cleaning the boots, so why put them in the bin?

My answer: " you were being punished because you lied to me. So you learn that lying to your parents is a waste of time. Next time it will be easier and quicker to just tell me the truth won't it."

No beating, no smack lesson learned.

Smacking should be a weapon of last resort. But if anyone finds that they have to continually smack their child then they really have consider why? Because it's clearly not working. "

So just threaten them and treat them badly then? Okay

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"Pleased you were able to bring your off spring up without any physical chastisement. My concern is the criminalizing of something which for some parents maybe a necessary sanction. The State should not be involved. "

When the smack or similar doesn’t yield desired results .... where to then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here s the truth. Smacking doesn't work. The threat of a smack does. It applies equally in adults.

The most effective punishment I have used was taking away the mobile. Then hiding the battery. (Children are smart. We the adults are smarter.). She even called the police to try to get her phone back.

My parenting mantra is simple

If you say it. mean it. It means then be careful what you say first off. Once you have said it it's not a threat it's a statement of fact. You are obligated to do what you said. Literally.

So if I say if you do X I will ..... My kids know that is what I will do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't "physically discipline" an animal, let alone my own children. It's a lazy way of parenting, give them a smack and they'll be too scared to do it again. I don't want my kids to be scared of me, I've never hit them, and I've managed to raise so far two very well behaved youngsters. Oh and my parents never hit me, so my opinion isn't the result of an abusive upbringing either. "

Both my parents smacked me, I was never scared of them. My grandfather never hit me, but when he shouted both me and my sister shook.

As for smacking kids, last line to be used and never on the head.

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By *lack UhuruMan
over a year ago

Leeds


"Or should it be?"

As a child I grew up on the 70's and 80's when there was no such debate and I've grown up to be a responsible adult who got smacked as a child. Moving on...I've found that a smack, depending on the circumstances, has its place as long as you explain to your child why they got smacked.

It's when parents start to batter kids or leave bruises/marks on them that you have to be concerned (it's also very illegal).

I personally feel that it's fine to smack your child not batter bruise them.

I've heard stories of parents calling the police or social services so they have a witness when disciplining their children which is ridiculous.

So don't I agree with a smack being illegal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Smacking should only be legal if you also agree that any adult caught doing something wrong is allowed to be hit.

Would you be happy that if you were caught speeding, the officer could ask you to get out of the car and punch you in the stomach to teach you a lesson?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or should it be?

As a child I grew up on the 70's and 80's when there was no such debate and I've grown up to be a responsible adult who got smacked as a child. Moving on...I've found that a smack, depending on the circumstances, has its place as long as you explain to your child why they got smacked.

It's when parents start to batter kids or leave bruises/marks on them that you have to be concerned (it's also very illegal).

I personally feel that it's fine to smack your child not batter bruise them.

I've heard stories of parents calling the police or social services so they have a witness when disciplining their children which is ridiculous.

So don't I agree with a smack being illegal "

I too grew up during that time where kids were still smacked in primary school. I feel there needs to be a distinction between beating and bruising and a slap to the leg which can be pretty helpful on rare occasions when dealing with an unruly child.

I have noticed that in schools nowadays, the discipline is terrible. The kids are essentially out of control because they know the teachers hands are tied. More teachers gets physically assaulted by kids than the other way around. That can't be right. I don't really know what the solution is. It's not black and white. But I don't agree that smacking should be made illegal. Liberal leftist state nannying has grown to be irritating to me. I don't want the state to make it illegal for me to buy a large soft drink, discipline my child or eat a burger. There seems to be a trend towards eroding personal freedom in the name of the state and I'm not for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe if a child feels loved and wanted then discipline is a good thing as long as it is done fairly and evenly. I was smacked as a child but never beaten. If I was smacked it was done after the fact and never through anger. I do believe in smacking children and always will but I had friends whose parents took it too far and some of that lives with me to this day so Lord knows how it still affects them. I was also one of the last to be caned and slippered at school. We accepted it then as a part of schooling. Again I was lucky as it was was always fair. Its not the act of smacking that should be the issue, its how, why and when that is.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"I wouldn't "physically discipline" an animal, let alone my own children. It's a lazy way of parenting, give them a smack and they'll be too scared to do it again. I don't want my kids to be scared of me, I've never hit them, and I've managed to raise so far two very well behaved youngsters. Oh and my parents never hit me, so my opinion isn't the result of an abusive upbringing either. "

My own wisdom astonishes me at times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't "physically discipline" an animal, let alone my own children. It's a lazy way of parenting, give them a smack and they'll be too scared to do it again. I don't want my kids to be scared of me, I've never hit them, and I've managed to raise so far two very well behaved youngsters. Oh and my parents never hit me, so my opinion isn't the result of an abusive upbringing either.

My own wisdom astonishes me at times. "

It’s probably the best wisdom on this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't "physically discipline" an animal, let alone my own children. It's a lazy way of parenting, give them a smack and they'll be too scared to do it again. I don't want my kids to be scared of me, I've never hit them, and I've managed to raise so far two very well behaved youngsters. Oh and my parents never hit me, so my opinion isn't the result of an abusive upbringing either.

My own wisdom astonishes me at times. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It’s probably the best wisdom on this thread "

More accurately, it's the view that most closely matches your own..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It’s probably the best wisdom on this thread

More accurately, it's the view that most closely matches your own.. "

Yep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my opinion, we tell our children not to hit their friends when they annoy them. So it's hypocrisy to then do the same to them. And saying it never did me any harm isn't a reasonable response, that's the kind of excuses people who beat children use when justifying the bruises their children have, been there. So it's doesn't help children who are in those awful situations. "

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"

It’s probably the best wisdom on this thread

More accurately, it's the view that most closely matches your own.. "

And is also the best wisdom on this thread

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

No, some of them need a good toeing

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"Or should it be?

As a child I grew up on the 70's and 80's when there was no such debate and I've grown up to be a responsible adult who got smacked as a child. Moving on...I've found that a smack, depending on the circumstances, has its place as long as you explain to your child why they got smacked.

It's when parents start to batter kids or leave bruises/marks on them that you have to be concerned (it's also very illegal).

I personally feel that it's fine to smack your child not batter bruise them.

I've heard stories of parents calling the police or social services so they have a witness when disciplining their children which is ridiculous.

So don't I agree with a smack being illegal

I too grew up during that time where kids were still smacked in primary school. I feel there needs to be a distinction between beating and bruising and a slap to the leg which can be pretty helpful on rare occasions when dealing with an unruly child.

I have noticed that in schools nowadays, the discipline is terrible. The kids are essentially out of control because they know the teachers hands are tied. More teachers gets physically assaulted by kids than the other way around. That can't be right. I don't really know what the solution is. It's not black and white. But I don't agree that smacking should be made illegal. Liberal leftist state nannying has grown to be irritating to me. I don't want the state to make it illegal for me to buy a large soft drink, discipline my child or eat a burger. There seems to be a trend towards eroding personal freedom in the name of the state and I'm not for that.

"

That is a poor bit of debating.

Comparing assault on a child with something trivial, and which isn't even happening. Taxing sugar filled drinks does not make them illegal.

I'm sure you'd quite like the "nanny state" to keep it illegal for people to hit you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It’s probably the best wisdom on this thread

More accurately, it's the view that most closely matches your own..

And is also the best wisdom on this thread "

I just wish I could get a well thought out response to a sensible point as easily and quickly as a one liner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Or should it be?

As a child I grew up on the 70's and 80's when there was no such debate and I've grown up to be a responsible adult who got smacked as a child. Moving on...I've found that a smack, depending on the circumstances, has its place as long as you explain to your child why they got smacked.

It's when parents start to batter kids or leave bruises/marks on them that you have to be concerned (it's also very illegal).

I personally feel that it's fine to smack your child not batter bruise them.

I've heard stories of parents calling the police or social services so they have a witness when disciplining their children which is ridiculous.

So don't I agree with a smack being illegal

I too grew up during that time where kids were still smacked in primary school. I feel there needs to be a distinction between beating and bruising and a slap to the leg which can be pretty helpful on rare occasions when dealing with an unruly child.

I have noticed that in schools nowadays, the discipline is terrible. The kids are essentially out of control because they know the teachers hands are tied. More teachers gets physically assaulted by kids than the other way around. That can't be right. I don't really know what the solution is. It's not black and white. But I don't agree that smacking should be made illegal. Liberal leftist state nannying has grown to be irritating to me. I don't want the state to make it illegal for me to buy a large soft drink, discipline my child or eat a burger. There seems to be a trend towards eroding personal freedom in the name of the state and I'm not for that.

That is a poor bit of debating.

Comparing assault on a child with something trivial, and which isn't even happening. Taxing sugar filled drinks does not make them illegal.

I'm sure you'd quite like the "nanny state" to keep it illegal for people to hit you? "

Actually I didn't compare smacking to drinks, they were mentioned in the same sentence for illustrative purposes.

In the USA, where I lived until recently, there were indeed serious moves to make it illegal to sell soft drinks over a certain size.

Your attempt to compare children to adults is poorly considered. Children are below the age of criminal responsibility.

When adults destroy property, they are sanctioned by the court. When children do the same they are disciplined by parents. Occasionally, a slap to the leg is a superior sanction than others that may be available. That decision should be made on a case by case basis.

The point of the drinks and so forth is that it is misguided for the state to attempt to erode the decision making of the individual using endless laws. There has been a trend towards that in recent times.

It is not black and white and there are bound to be strong feelings on both sides. We may have different views on it and frankly are unlikely to persuade each other by debating it either.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

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I simply do not understand how anyone can think assaulting an adult is a crime but assaulting a child is not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would also like to give one more crucial difference. Adults know better than to run into situations that could kill them.

I have had young children. One time he broke free of our hand and charged towards the main road. He was caught at the curb and told not to do it again. He did it again. He was caught and told not to do it again and told he would lose his toys. He did it again and was eventually smacked. He stopped.

I personally reserve the right to smack my child, particularly when they are at that difficult age of about 2-3 when it really could be the main sanction that works and when I need to stop them from doing something that might kill them.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"I simply do not understand how anyone can think assaulting an adult is a crime but assaulting a child is not.

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Not a VALID comparison......!!

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over a year ago


"I simply do not understand how anyone can think assaulting an adult is a crime but assaulting a child is not.

Not a VALID comparison......!! "

Why not? Hitting a person is hitting a person

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"I simply do not understand how anyone can think assaulting an adult is a crime but assaulting a child is not.

Not a VALID comparison......!!

Why not? Hitting a person is hitting a person "

Simplistic..... As I said not a valid comparison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I simply do not understand how anyone can think assaulting an adult is a crime but assaulting a child is not.

Not a VALID comparison......!!

Why not? Hitting a person is hitting a person "

Why not?

Slapping a 3 year old on the leg is not the same as punching an adult where more force and harm are involved.

When it's necessary to demonstrate to a 3 year old who can't be reasoned with that it's not ok to run into tragic and be killed, I view it as an acceptable price to pay.

I have to wonder how many commenters have actually raised children and so can grasp this point.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


"

I have to wonder how many commenters have actually raised children and so can grasp this point. "

I raised three as a single parent.

Sure, they could frustrate the hell out of you. But I never saw violence as the way to teach them anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I have to wonder how many commenters have actually raised children and so can grasp this point.

I raised three as a single parent.

Sure, they could frustrate the hell out of you. But I never saw violence as the way to teach them anything.

"

That's your choice. However choice is the key concept here. I object to having my choice taken away by the law.

If my kid intends to run into the road I am quite happy to shout, yell, reason, yes, and spank to get my point across. If you don't want to do it, don't do it. Just don't presume to tell me how to parent.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East


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Just don't presume to tell me how to parent."

I don't recall telling you to do anything.

To suggest so seems unnecessarily defensive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Just don't presume to tell me how to parent.

I don't recall telling you to do anything.

To suggest so seems unnecessarily defensive.

"

That's true, you were not directly, but by seeming to lend support to the notion that it should be illegal, it boils down to effectively the same thing.

Or do you believe it should not be illegal - you were just commenting on your personal view - and I misunderstood your intent?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Oh, for heavens sake.

The OP asked for an opinion.

I offered mine, like everyone else has done.

You said it couldn't be drawn from practical experience.

I explained it was.

At which point you get all defensive.

End of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if you have to physically punish your children to get your point across and make them listen then you're a shitty parent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think if you have to physically punish your children to get your point across and make them listen then you're a shitty parent.

"

That's your opinion. My four children, some of whom are adult nowz would probably disagree with you.

There's nothing wrong with the occasional well timed smack on the leg to a very young child in the right circumstances. This is not child battery or beating. The circumstances are rare. But it has a place.

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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh, for heavens sake.

The OP asked for an opinion.

I offered mine, like everyone else has done.

You said it couldn't be drawn from practical experience.

I explained it was.

At which point you get all defensive.

End of.

"

No. The order of events you claim happened is not accurate. Take a look at the above thread. It's quite clear.

1. I asked how many commenters have practical experience.

2. You replied and said you did and it was frustrating.

3. I replied with my 'don't tell.me how to parent' remark - which actually was not aimed at you and I'm happy to revise it.

4. You accuse me of being defensive.

5. I respond and ask you whether you believe smacking should be illegal.

So kindly don't attempt revisionist history in order to further your own self serving agenda.

In any case, I am happy to change my previous post to:

'that's your choice. The key point here is choice. I object to having my choice taken away by the law. So please allow me to have the same choice.'

You seem to have some challenges distinguishing defensiveness from forthrightness.

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By *ourneblondeWoman
over a year ago

Bourne

Why I we talking about kids on a swinging site ?

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By *ourneblondeWoman
over a year ago

Bourne

Why are we talking about kids on a swinging site ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why I we talking about kids on a swinging site ?"

In a desperate attempt to have just one adult conversation that didn't involve knickers, penises or women getting turned on on bicycles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, nothing wrong wrong with a clip around the ear lol.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"Why are we talking about kids on a swinging site ?"

Because it is a general discussion section of the forum, used to discuss anything within the rules of the forum, with peers and other people who share a common interest.

There is a section specifically called swingers for swinging discussions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kids need discipline. A good smack will sort them out. But I do draw the line to a belt buckle or shoe to a kid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kids need discipline. A good smack will sort them out. But I do draw the line to a belt buckle or shoe to a kid. "

Is said shoe attached to a foot ?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"I think if you have to physically punish your children to get your point across and make them listen then you're a shitty parent.

"

Sounds rather judgmental...I would say !

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"No, nothing wrong wrong with a clip around the ear lol."

Must say not too happy about striking the head. Smack the legs and bottom: no risk of any permanent harm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not a right that I would be too bothered about losing and I think that in 10 years or so people will consider it completely abhorrent that their ancestors hit their children, but this will come from societal pressure and education not a change in law. Maybe an ad campaign showing the futility of it as opposed to a law criminalising parents.

I have three boys from late teens to early twenty’s and did on very rare occasion hit them (on the back of the hand before I sat them on the bottom step and no more than a couple of times). It was borne out of frustration; it didn’t resolve anything and will never resolve anything.

Make it illegal for me.

… but the people that they need really protection from don’t pay any heed to the legalities of the matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to get the slipper when I was younger and it never did me any harm

That's the only funny face I could pull.

But seriously, I don't see the issue. A lot of kids have very little respect nowadays, be it authority, their elders, or just random people. And also we wonder why we have had a surge of knife crime and violence, because no one has smacked some sense into the little shits

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By *r AmbassadorMan
over a year ago

Dublin

There is no need to smack them , hit them where it hurts,

TV off ,grab the sort brush outside ye go to brush the road for 30min, works every time back in check within minutes, with their red faced morto heads on them,. Drives them mad 2 as the soft brush can't sweep Fffk all,

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"I used to get the slipper when I was younger and it never did me any harm

That's the only funny face I could pull.

But seriously, I don't see the issue. A lot of kids have very little respect nowadays, be it authority, their elders, or just random people. And also we wonder why we have had a surge of knife crime and violence, because no one has smacked some sense into the little shits"

I think you'll possibly find that the ones with little respect are often the ones getting a regular beat down from mum and dad. They see violence as the norm at home and take it out into the street with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I simply do not understand how anyone can think assaulting an adult is a crime but assaulting a child is not.

Not a VALID comparison......!!

Why not? Hitting a person is hitting a person

Why not?

Slapping a 3 year old on the leg is not the same as punching an adult where more force and harm are involved.

When it's necessary to demonstrate to a 3 year old who can't be reasoned with that it's not ok to run into tragic and be killed, I view it as an acceptable price to pay.

I have to wonder how many commenters have actually raised children and so can grasp this point. "

You keep using that as an example - is that the only time it’s acceptable?

I have a child, I’ve never hit her. I’ve treated her as a human and explained why it was wrong and she’s followed that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I think you'll possibly find that the ones with little respect are often the ones getting a regular beat down from mum and dad. They see violence as the norm at home and take it out into the street with them."

You might have a point with children who are beaten regularly (particularly at an older age) but I feel to place the blame of the current knife crime and other things at the door of smacking is wrong. Kids have consistently been smacked for hundreds of years without the recent problem after all.

I also feel its wrong to assume that a toddler that has been smacked occasionally will be in danger of taking violence into the streets as a teen.

The problem with making smacking illegal is that its a blanket ban. It covers the whole spectrum - and that's what I don't agree with.

I agree that education is great and of course I'm not arguing that kids should be beaten if it can be avoided.

I just believe that making it illegal, is taking away an important choice from parents (see my post above about dealing with unruly toddler who is determined to break free and run into the road).

Another poster make a good point. Making it illegal is not likely to change the behavior of the worst offenders..

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over a year ago


"I simply do not understand how anyone can think assaulting an adult is a crime but assaulting a child is not.

Not a VALID comparison......!!

Why not? Hitting a person is hitting a person

Why not?

Slapping a 3 year old on the leg is not the same as punching an adult where more force and harm are involved.

When it's necessary to demonstrate to a 3 year old who can't be reasoned with that it's not ok to run into tragic and be killed, I view it as an acceptable price to pay.

I have to wonder how many commenters have actually raised children and so can grasp this point.

You keep using that as an example - is that the only time it’s acceptable?

I have a child, I’ve never hit her. I’ve treated her as a human and explained why it was wrong and she’s followed that.

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I think it's a good example and one of the times I believe it's ok. Kids are different. If you have had a 2 year old that listens to reasoned argument then that's great. Not all 2 year olds respond in the same way.

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over a year ago


"I think if you have to physically punish your children to get your point across and make them listen then you're a shitty parent.

Sounds rather judgmental...I would say !"

I'd say so too. But I'd rather be judgemental than smack my kids

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over a year ago


"I think if you have to physically punish your children to get your point across and make them listen then you're a shitty parent.

Sounds rather judgmental...I would say !

I'd say so too. But I'd rather be judgemental than smack my kids "

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over a year ago


"I think if you have to physically punish your children to get your point across and make them listen then you're a shitty parent.

Sounds rather judgmental...I would say !

I'd say so too. But I'd rather be judgemental than smack my kids "

That's your choice. The debate is about whether it should made illegal and so deny people choice.

I am sure that you would object if you were told it was compulsory to smack them?

Each parent should make their own choice. State interference is not required.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends how naughty they are my mum was always saying I’m gonna pulll ya pants down and slap your legs now I enjoy it

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"That's your choice. The debate is about whether it should made illegal and so deny people choice.

I am sure that you would object if you were told it was compulsory to smack them?

Each parent should make their own choice. State interference is not required. "

Exactment......!!

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I find it hard to believe that any rational adult could think it is acceptable to assault a tot who is 24 months old.

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over a year ago


"

I find it hard to believe that any rational adult could think it is acceptable to assault a tot who is 24 months old.

"

One more time before I just give up on this. The debate is about whether it is right to deny people the CHOICE.

Smoking is bad for you. Should it be made illegal? Drinking is bad for you and causes antisocial behavior. Shall that be Illegal too? How about swinging? Many lawmakers would view that as sexual deviance. Shall that be made illegal too?

The point is that is dangerous to make too many laws that intrude into private life.

OK. Suppose I agree with you. Kids shouldn't smacked. It's bad bad..

Even then, I STILL would believe that parents need to have the CHOICE and so it should not be illegal, because I believe in a free society.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

And who protects the freedom of the toddler - the freedom to grow up without becoming a victim of domestic violence?

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"

I find it hard to believe that any rational adult could think it is acceptable to assault a tot who is 24 months old.

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They don't want to assault their 24 month old though. They just want it to be legal in case they ever decide to, which is totally rational.... right?

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over a year ago


"And who protects the freedom of the toddler - the freedom to grow up without becoming a victim of domestic violence?

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By *hongguyMan
over a year ago

heckmondwike

never did me any harm taught me right and wrong the little bastards of today just do what they want I wish I could could come back in 30 yrs and see how this country or world is its gonna end up as right fucking mess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And who protects the freedom of the toddler - the freedom to grow up without becoming a victim of domestic violence?

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That's a good point. Children should have that freedom. That is why the dv laws exist.

I (and indeed the law) don't classify a parental smack to the leg as domestic violence and I don't think it's unreasonable for parents to use their judgment.

Anyways. We are clearly not gonna convince each other so I suggest we agree to disagree. I'm getting tired of this thread so I'll be off.

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over a year ago


"never did me any harm taught me right and wrong the little bastards of today just do what they want I wish I could could come back in 30 yrs and see how this country or world is its gonna end up as right fucking mess "

Remember - discipline and boundaries for children do not have to be physical. In fact. Non physical ones are more effective.

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By *hongguyMan
over a year ago

heckmondwike

im with you little bastards need there fucking arses slapped

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"im with you little bastards need there fucking arses slapped "

Do you have children?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don’t really understand why any parent would choose to put their hands on their children. Yes it’s difficult and very frustrating at times but you should always do your best by your kids, and losing control isn’t an option.

Thankfully it’s not something you see much these days. "

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor


"Or should it be?"

Yes.

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over a year ago


"

I find it hard to believe that any rational adult could think it is acceptable to assault a tot who is 24 months old.

One more time before I just give up on this. The debate is about whether it is right to deny people the CHOICE.

Smoking is bad for you. Should it be made illegal? Drinking is bad for you and causes antisocial behavior. Shall that be Illegal too? How about swinging? Many lawmakers would view that as sexual deviance. Shall that be made illegal too?

The point is that is dangerous to make too many laws that intrude into private life.

OK. Suppose I agree with you. Kids shouldn't smacked. It's bad bad..

Even then, I STILL would believe that parents need to have the CHOICE and so it should not be illegal, because I believe in a free society. "

More specifically a free society with your rules.

If a referendum was held and 90% said 'we want smacking outlawed' would you accept that as the will of a free society?

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor


"never did me any harm taught me right and wrong the little bastards of today just do what they want I wish I could could come back in 30 yrs and see how this country or world is its gonna end up as right fucking mess "

Clearly it did you a lot of harm if you think violence towards our children is the correct way to discipline them.

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over a year ago


"And who protects the freedom of the toddler - the freedom to grow up without becoming a victim of domestic violence?

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Yes it's wrong.

All it teaches them is it's ok to hit someone smaller or weaker.

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over a year ago


"never did me any harm taught me right and wrong the little bastards of today just do what they want I wish I could could come back in 30 yrs and see how this country or world is its gonna end up as right fucking mess

Clearly it did you a lot of harm if you think violence towards our children is the correct way to discipline them."

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"never did me any harm taught me right and wrong the little bastards of today just do what they want I wish I could could come back in 30 yrs and see how this country or world is its gonna end up as right fucking mess

Remember - discipline and boundaries for children do not have to be physical. In fact. Non physical ones are more effective. "

True.... One summer evening my daughter, probably around 6 years old,

was out riding on her bike and absolutely refused to come in despite my words. Simple solution: let the air out of her tires !! She came in crying to her Mum..!!! ""My Dad has let the air out of my tires !!""" Only problem was I had to pump them up later on !!

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

If you can't discipline a child without beating it, in the middle of a supermarket aisle you really need to stop having children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I find it hard to believe that any rational adult could think it is acceptable to assault a tot who is 24 months old.

One more time before I just give up on this. The debate is about whether it is right to deny people the CHOICE.

Smoking is bad for you. Should it be made illegal? Drinking is bad for you and causes antisocial behavior. Shall that be Illegal too? How about swinging? Many lawmakers would view that as sexual deviance. Shall that be made illegal too?

The point is that is dangerous to make too many laws that intrude into private life.

OK. Suppose I agree with you. Kids shouldn't smacked. It's bad bad..

Even then, I STILL would believe that parents need to have the CHOICE and so it should not be illegal, because I believe in a free society.

More specifically a free society with your rules.

If a referendum was held and 90% said 'we want smacking outlawed' would you accept that as the will of a free society?"

It's a good point, but I feel it's appropriate to question would it be right to hold a referendum. If you hold a referendum to outlaw swinging and received 90% against, that still doesn't make state interference into private life acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If society has decided it's wrong then the state has to intervene in my opinion. They are the mechanism by which the will of society should be enacted

If they weren't a self serving bunch of cockwombles

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