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By *nabelle21 OP   Woman
over a year ago

B38

Is the practice of intentionally ending a life to relieve pain and suffering.

For or against?

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

For

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not like me but on the fence a bit with this one. Probably lean more for than against.

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

For. No one wants to see a loved one go through a painful death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For. No one wants to see a loved one go through a painful death. "

That’s why I’m more for but what about the nasty people out there who are set to inherit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For.

I don't understand why compassion to end suffering is acknowledged as acceptable in some countries and not others. The law is an ass.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For.

I don't understand why compassion to end suffering is acknowledged as acceptable in some countries and not others. The law is an ass. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Veterinarians will not let a cat or dog suffer if it was in pain and yet with humans we have to go through a long drawn-out court case.. ridiculous.. similarly if cannabis is the only thing that help stop the pain in humans I am for that ..although I hate the stuff and I've never touched any drug

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By *hisCharManMan
over a year ago

South Manchester

For

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely for. I think any person who has seen the pain and suffering of a loved one slowly ebb away from a terminal illness would say "for".

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

For 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Against

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a man who watched his mother go through the indignity of Alzheimer’s, I would have done the injection myself!

Unfair to them, unfair to relatives, like she died every day, not just once. Harsh to say but it was relief I felt not sadness at the very end.

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By *c1989Woman
over a year ago

Manchester

For in the cases of real physical pain and suffering.

Mental illness. No.

There have been instances in Europe where people have been allowed access to assisted suicide when physically there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm on the fence in the case of very young people who become paralysed and dont see life as worth living anymore. The case of a rugby player comes to kind.

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"As a man who watched his mother go through the indignity of Alzheimer’s, I would have done the injection myself!

Unfair to them, unfair to relatives, like she died every day, not just once. Harsh to say but it was relief I felt not sadness at the very end. "

This is my career, I look after end of life patients mostly with dementia... it's sad every day. Heart aches for you xx

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By *adylydfordWoman
over a year ago

altinkum

For.

Let people have their choice where and when they can pass with dignity. Would love it to be legal in this country. I am joining dignitas when i get older as i have noone. Noone to care for me if i am elderly or ill and noone to care if im dead... im just being factual, not digging for sympathy. Parents are dead, im an only child, no husband, no children. None of that will ever change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For. Provided there is sufficient safeguarding in place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not like me but on the fence a bit with this one. Probably lean more for than against. "

Agreed.

I was for until I read Jenny Worth's in the Midst of Life, she proposed a convincing argument as to why euthanasia shouldn't be legalised

Now I see both sides tbh.

My understanding is euthanasia does not mean you get to choose and control your death, it means control if that is given to the Dr who administers the drugs to put you to death, and you are putting someone else's psychological wellbeing under significant harm, these are Dr's not Psychopaths, humans with a conscience.

Also I think that is open to abuse from people seeking financial gain.

But I know in the Netherlands it is legal, you need to convince the Dr you are of sound mind to make that decision. How that is proved, and decided is debateable I guess

I do understand the need for it, but the whys and wherefors need to be properly considered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A few fabbers over the years I wouldn't mind helping.....

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By *aughtyNipplesWoman
over a year ago

newport, shrops

For.

As long as there is a good case for it, stringent checks and criteria.

Don't ask me what, I'm not of a medical background, but there is a definite need for those who are in permanent pain. It's horrid to watch someone endure life ending pain but without that release of peace.

I wished my dad could have had something...at least the pain is no more his to worry about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In theory I am for euthanasia but do have concerns that some old people may feel they have to fall on their sword so as to speak for the wrong reasons.

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Against as it could cause all sorts of problems if was made legal....

.....honestly officer he asked me to kill him

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

For.

My mum has a DNR in place which is as close as you can come in this country really and I support her in that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

As someone has already said we don’t let animals suffer and neither should humans We should be allowed a dignified way to die and not suffer

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

For.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

having Dutch family friends whos mother chose this .... I'm for it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Read Love Life by Ray Kluun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For... but only for a severe medical reason, not including mental illness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For in the cases of real physical pain and suffering.

Mental illness. No.

There have been instances in Europe where people have been allowed access to assisted suicide when physically there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm on the fence in the case of very young people who become paralysed and dont see life as worth living anymore. The case of a rugby player comes to kind. "

Alzheimer’s where they soil themselves, don’t know who they are and what they are doing? Really? Think that’s ok?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For... but only for a severe medical reason, not including mental illness. "

Why??

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By *ntrigued32Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

For.

Jo.Xx

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By *orenzoVonMatterhornMan
over a year ago

Lincoln

So long as the person is of sound body and mind to make that decision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Against as it could cause all sorts of problems if was made legal....

.....honestly officer he asked me to kill him"

Need two doctors ! It’s not a case of pillow over the face ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For in a big way. I lost my dad to cancer 7 years ago. It started in his prostate and over the next 2/3 years spread up his spine into pretty much all his organs apart his brain so he knew what was going on but his body was failing and was in pain all the time. He just wanted to go but the doctors could do nothing about it and had to let nature take its course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So long as the person is of sound body and mind to make that decision."

Of sound mind and body they wouldn’t want it!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In theory I am for euthanasia but do have concerns that some old people may feel they have to fall on their sword so as to speak for the wrong reasons. "

To stop feeling a nuisance? Well if they feel a nuisance must have very uncaring family

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By *orenzoVonMatterhornMan
over a year ago

Lincoln


"So long as the person is of sound body and mind to make that decision.

Of sound mind and body they wouldn’t want it!!! "

Alright then, sound mind...

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

crewe


"Is the practice of intentionally ending a life to relieve pain and suffering.

For or against?"

Yep sure, broken arm.. put them down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely for. Watched my mam die of cancer and my dad from liver and kidney disease. Watching loved ones waste away is the worst thing anyone can go through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a man who watched his mother go through the indignity of Alzheimer’s, I would have done the injection myself!

Unfair to them, unfair to relatives, like she died every day, not just once. Harsh to say but it was relief I felt not sadness at the very end.

This is my career, I look after end of life patients mostly with dementia... it's sad every day. Heart aches for you xx"

What a job you people do! Grateful to you lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For in the cases of real physical pain and suffering.

Mental illness. No.

There have been instances in Europe where people have been allowed access to assisted suicide when physically there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm on the fence in the case of very young people who become paralysed and dont see life as worth living anymore. The case of a rugby player comes to kind.

Alzheimer’s where they soil themselves, don’t know who they are and what they are doing? Really? Think that’s ok?"

People suffering from Alzheimer's can have moments of clarity amidst all the memory loss. Most can recall early childhood and revert back to it. I used to be an carer and activities coordinator in a nursing home.

Which is why I'm for... provided certain safeguards are met. It's not for a member of the family to make that decision. The patient needs to give consent whilst they still can.

People also change their mind.

It's a very, very, very fine line. Finer than most of us can contemplate, this discussion is merely the tip of the iceberg.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For 100%. We put animals to sleep if they’re in pain and suffering, yet we actively try to prolong the pain and suffering of humans when there is no hope or cure x

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By *arbellsWoman
over a year ago

Cambridge

Definitely for but it has to be a case by case basis and over a period of time with doctors, specialists and psychologists until the decision can be made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Definitely for. Watched my mam die of cancer and my dad from liver and kidney disease. Watching loved ones waste away is the worst thing anyone can go through. "

I'm not in favour of euthanasia because its uncomfortable to watch loved ones in pain. I'm in favour of it if the ill person wants it

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"For in the cases of real physical pain and suffering.

Mental illness. No.

There have been instances in Europe where people have been allowed access to assisted suicide when physically there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm on the fence in the case of very young people who become paralysed and dont see life as worth living anymore. The case of a rugby player comes to kind.

Alzheimer’s where they soil themselves, don’t know who they are and what they are doing? Really? Think that’s ok?

People suffering from Alzheimer's can have moments of clarity amidst all the memory loss. Most can recall early childhood and revert back to it. I used to be an carer and activities coordinator in a nursing home.

Which is why I'm for... provided certain safeguards are met. It's not for a member of the family to make that decision. The patient needs to give consent whilst they still can.

People also change their mind.

It's a very, very, very fine line. Finer than most of us can contemplate, this discussion is merely the tip of the iceberg. "

yes I agree. A lot of the comments on here are about how difficult it is to watch a loved one suffer, that isn't what euthanasia is about in my opinion and could lead to people requesting it for relatives because they find it too difficult to watch them suffer.

I spoke to my mum recently about her DNR which is about 18 months old and asked her if she still wanted it to stand. I've seen her recover from some terrible injuries and illness, I wouldn't want to make any decision on her behalf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For in the cases of real physical pain and suffering.

Mental illness. No.

There have been instances in Europe where people have been allowed access to assisted suicide when physically there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm on the fence in the case of very young people who become paralysed and dont see life as worth living anymore. The case of a rugby player comes to kind.

Alzheimer’s where they soil themselves, don’t know who they are and what they are doing? Really? Think that’s ok?

People suffering from Alzheimer's can have moments of clarity amidst all the memory loss. Most can recall early childhood and revert back to it. I used to be an carer and activities coordinator in a nursing home.

Which is why I'm for... provided certain safeguards are met. It's not for a member of the family to make that decision. The patient needs to give consent whilst they still can.

People also change their mind.

It's a very, very, very fine line. Finer than most of us can contemplate, this discussion is merely the tip of the iceberg.

yes I agree. A lot of the comments on here are about how difficult it is to watch a loved one suffer, that isn't what euthanasia is about in my opinion and could lead to people requesting it for relatives because they find it too difficult to watch them suffer.

I spoke to my mum recently about her DNR which is about 18 months old and asked her if she still wanted it to stand. I've seen her recover from some terrible injuries and illness, I wouldn't want to make any decision on her behalf"

Psychologists and doctors, the only people qualified to help someone with that decision in my opinion. When people become terminally ill, it's very easy for depression and other mental health issues to embed and confuse the issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For. Provided there is sufficient safeguarding in place."

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

For. I work with people who are dying. Its heartbreaking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope my cuz killed himself people would misuse any law alowing folk to kill themselves

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"For in the cases of real physical pain and suffering.

Mental illness. No.

There have been instances in Europe where people have been allowed access to assisted suicide when physically there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm on the fence in the case of very young people who become paralysed and dont see life as worth living anymore. The case of a rugby player comes to kind.

Alzheimer’s where they soil themselves, don’t know who they are and what they are doing? Really? Think that’s ok?

People suffering from Alzheimer's can have moments of clarity amidst all the memory loss. Most can recall early childhood and revert back to it. I used to be an carer and activities coordinator in a nursing home.

Which is why I'm for... provided certain safeguards are met. It's not for a member of the family to make that decision. The patient needs to give consent whilst they still can.

People also change their mind.

It's a very, very, very fine line. Finer than most of us can contemplate, this discussion is merely the tip of the iceberg.

yes I agree. A lot of the comments on here are about how difficult it is to watch a loved one suffer, that isn't what euthanasia is about in my opinion and could lead to people requesting it for relatives because they find it too difficult to watch them suffer.

I spoke to my mum recently about her DNR which is about 18 months old and asked her if she still wanted it to stand. I've seen her recover from some terrible injuries and illness, I wouldn't want to make any decision on her behalf

Psychologists and doctors, the only people qualified to help someone with that decision in my opinion. When people become terminally ill, it's very easy for depression and other mental health issues to embed and confuse the issue."

yes I agree. I've also seen a close relative with severe mental illness ask continually to be allowed to die make a full recovery.

This, in my opinion, isn't something to be compared with putting a loved pet to sleep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope my cuz killed himself people would misuse any law alowing folk to kill themselves"

With proper safeguards, people would have a choice.

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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

I'm going to say for it.

The thing is I wouldn't be here now possibly if it was allowed in the uk.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

King's Crustacean

For

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By *nabelle21 OP   Woman
over a year ago

B38

I have watched loved ones who were terminally ill...way past the strange of being able to eat ....left with no fluids except to wet their lips..they were undoubtedly going to die sooner rather than later. They essentially died of thirst and in pain. it was the most traumatic and heart breaking experience I have ever been through.i was not sorry when they passed just hugely relieved. For me more than that they were left to suffer beyond words during their moments of lucidity. I am for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have watched loved ones who were terminally ill...way past the strange of being able to eat ....left with no fluids except to wet their lips..they were undoubtedly going to die sooner rather than later. They essentially died of thirst and in pain. it was the most traumatic and heart breaking experience I have ever been through.i was not sorry when they passed just hugely relieved. For me more than that they were left to suffer beyond words during their moments of lucidity. I am for it."

That was my experience with both parents. No hope of recovery so left to waste away to nothing. It broke me and I haven't been the same since.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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For

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For

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By *eordieguy2019Man
over a year ago

Stockport

For if properly managed to ensure no misuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100% for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Definitely for. Watched my mam die of cancer and my dad from liver and kidney disease. Watching loved ones waste away is the worst thing anyone can go through.

I'm not in favour of euthanasia because its uncomfortable to watch loved ones in pain. I'm in favour of it if the ill person wants it"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have watched loved ones who were terminally ill...way past the strange of being able to eat ....left with no fluids except to wet their lips..they were undoubtedly going to die sooner rather than later. They essentially died of thirst and in pain. it was the most traumatic and heart breaking experience I have ever been through.i was not sorry when they passed just hugely relieved. For me more than that they were left to suffer beyond words during their moments of lucidity. I am for it."

Disgrace isn’t it. Our dog won’t be allowed to suffer like that but your parents were! Shame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have watched loved ones who were terminally ill...way past the strange of being able to eat ....left with no fluids except to wet their lips..they were undoubtedly going to die sooner rather than later. They essentially died of thirst and in pain. it was the most traumatic and heart breaking experience I have ever been through.i was not sorry when they passed just hugely relieved. For me more than that they were left to suffer beyond words during their moments of lucidity. I am for it."

Current end of life care does leave a lot to be desired. Feel for you xxx

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By *nabelle21 OP   Woman
over a year ago

B38


"I have watched loved ones who were terminally ill...way past the strange of being able to eat ....left with no fluids except to wet their lips..they were undoubtedly going to die sooner rather than later. They essentially died of thirst and in pain. it was the most traumatic and heart breaking experience I have ever been through.i was not sorry when they passed just hugely relieved. For me more than that they were left to suffer beyond words during their moments of lucidity. I am for it.

Disgrace isn’t it. Our dog won’t be allowed to suffer like that but your parents were! Shame"

It was that bad that had I the means I would have done it...I looked at the pillar after hearing their torment and knowing they were going to die waiting for the nurses for meds and I wanted to end it but I just couldn't... I wish someone had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a brighter note Annabelle, did you notice you were a skipping Lamb on The Thread 'the first line of your new book'

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

Seeing my father in law being left to die on the Liverpool path was one of the most traumatic experiences I have had.

He was suffering from a brain tumor and the nursing staff gave up on his care and did nothing to ease his last moments.

That to me was inhumane, and shouldn't have been allowed to happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope my cuz killed himself people would misuse any law alowing folk to kill themselves

With proper safeguards, people would have a choice."
based on some if the things iv seen and heard about within the care industry i font trust them to be followed

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By *nabelle21 OP   Woman
over a year ago

B38


"On a brighter note Annabelle, did you notice you were a skipping Lamb on The Thread 'the first line of your new book' "

A brighter note is always good..I didn't mean to get heavy but sometimes you cant help it.

Lamb you say...no I didn't notice

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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago

Blyth

I'm definitely for it and gave been for many years.

I think most people put their own thoughts and feelings over those of the person who is in the situation of pain and suffering.

It's a very emotive subject and not everyone will agree with my thoughts, and that's fine, that's what discussion is all about.

It's obvious it has to be regulated, we can't have little Jonny putting a pillow over his granny's face just because he wants his inheritance and then telling the police, "it's ok, she had a headache and wanted to die". I'm sure it won't be anything like that but the discussions have to be had before anything is agreed.

If I was in a position where I had something like motor neurone disease and I knew what my future looked like I think, and I stress think, I would like the opportunity to decide for myself when I could end my life with the sound knowledge that I should I decide to live longer then I would suffer. The decision can not, and should not, be taken by other family members but they should be involved in all discussions with medical professionals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is the practice of intentionally ending a life to relieve pain and suffering.

For or against?"

The UK is so Victorian on human values we will never have a clinic sadly! funny how the top brass smoke week n snort yet don`t advise us mortals should! one word,,c**ts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For in the cases of real physical pain and suffering.

Mental illness. No.

There have been instances in Europe where people have been allowed access to assisted suicide when physically there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm on the fence in the case of very young people who become paralysed and dont see life as worth living anymore. The case of a rugby player comes to kind. "

The problem with this attitude is that it basically says to someone with depression that their pain isn't as valid as a cancer patients pain because it's all in their head.

It's why so many people with mental illnesses feel alone. People tend to downplay what they're feeling and say ''well, it could be worse''.

Yeah, it probably could, but someone with depression isn't gonna want to hear that because it makes them feel like their pain isn't real. It is real, it's just not physical.

I think people with mental illnesses should be allowed to apply for euthanasia if they want to, but they have to undergo a long period of mandatory therapy and if they show no improvement after that period ends, they're allowed to go through with euthanasia if they want.

Yeah, someone might have been able to recover from the mental illness, but didn't because they underwent euthanasia, which would be tragic. But it's their decision to make. Not ours. I don't think we have the right to play God with the lives of others.

If one of my mates feels like life isn't worth living anymore, who am I to say otherwise. If I knew they were in so much pain because they had depression or cancer and they went through with it, I'd be sad, but I'd be more relieved that they're no longer in pain. Not for myself, but for them.

Prevention should always be our first reaction, but if we can't heal someone, we should do whatever we can to ease their suffering. It would be cruel if we didn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

life has taught me many lessons and one being that we are sovereign owners of our own body and mind regardless and so we should be able to make choices with the proper counselling and help leading upto that decision rather than leaving people to make desperate decisions or live undignified.

it gets tricky with mental health or people who have lost the to make that decision by themselves. . at that point it can become a risk to some left in the wrong hands of some "next of kin"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope my cuz killed himself people would misuse any law alowing folk to kill themselves

With proper safeguards, people would have a choice.based on some if the things iv seen and heard about within the care industry i font trust them to be followed "

That is why it should legislated separately and managed within structured protocols.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For in the cases of real physical pain and suffering.

Mental illness. No.

There have been instances in Europe where people have been allowed access to assisted suicide when physically there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm on the fence in the case of very young people who become paralysed and dont see life as worth living anymore. The case of a rugby player comes to kind.

The problem with this attitude is that it basically says to someone with depression that their pain isn't as valid as a cancer patients pain because it's all in their head.

It's why so many people with mental illnesses feel alone. People tend to downplay what they're feeling and say ''well, it could be worse''.

Yeah, it probably could, but someone with depression isn't gonna want to hear that because it makes them feel like their pain isn't real. It is real, it's just not physical.

I think people with mental illnesses should be allowed to apply for euthanasia if they want to, but they have to undergo a long period of mandatory therapy and if they show no improvement after that period ends, they're allowed to go through with euthanasia if they want.

Yeah, someone might have been able to recover from the mental illness, but didn't because they underwent euthanasia, which would be tragic. But it's their decision to make. Not ours. I don't think we have the right to play God with the lives of others.

If one of my mates feels like life isn't worth living anymore, who am I to say otherwise. If I knew they were in so much pain because they had depression or cancer and they went through with it, I'd be sad, but I'd be more relieved that they're no longer in pain. Not for myself, but for them.

Prevention should always be our first reaction, but if we can't heal someone, we should do whatever we can to ease their suffering. It would be cruel if we didn't. "

No. I disagree totally. People can recover from mental illness. If you are that depressed you would consider it then you shouldn’t be allowed to make that decision. Lots of people recover from severe depression. Don’t agree with this at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"life has taught me many lessons and one being that we are sovereign owners of our own body and mind regardless and so we should be able to make choices with the proper counselling and help leading upto that decision rather than leaving people to make desperate decisions or live undignified.

it gets tricky with mental health or people who have lost the to make that decision by themselves. . at that point it can become a risk to some left in the wrong hands of some "next of kin"

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I am thinking for example, psychological assessment first, two consultants specialising in the field of that illness, to acknowledge that it is terminal etc. Not next of kin directly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For in the cases of real physical pain and suffering.

Mental illness. No.

There have been instances in Europe where people have been allowed access to assisted suicide when physically there is nothing wrong with them.

I'm on the fence in the case of very young people who become paralysed and dont see life as worth living anymore. The case of a rugby player comes to kind.

The problem with this attitude is that it basically says to someone with depression that their pain isn't as valid as a cancer patients pain because it's all in their head.

It's why so many people with mental illnesses feel alone. People tend to downplay what they're feeling and say ''well, it could be worse''.

Yeah, it probably could, but someone with depression isn't gonna want to hear that because it makes them feel like their pain isn't real. It is real, it's just not physical.

I think people with mental illnesses should be allowed to apply for euthanasia if they want to, but they have to undergo a long period of mandatory therapy and if they show no improvement after that period ends, they're allowed to go through with euthanasia if they want.

Yeah, someone might have been able to recover from the mental illness, but didn't because they underwent euthanasia, which would be tragic. But it's their decision to make. Not ours. I don't think we have the right to play God with the lives of others.

If one of my mates feels like life isn't worth living anymore, who am I to say otherwise. If I knew they were in so much pain because they had depression or cancer and they went through with it, I'd be sad, but I'd be more relieved that they're no longer in pain. Not for myself, but for them.

Prevention should always be our first reaction, but if we can't heal someone, we should do whatever we can to ease their suffering. It would be cruel if we didn't.

No. I disagree totally. People can recover from mental illness. If you are that depressed you would consider it then you shouldn’t be allowed to make that decision. Lots of people recover from severe depression. Don’t agree with this at all. "

Not all do! only the ones that authorities need to make stats from to get funding, if you are in hell it`s only you that can work on that, meds and therapy are secondary

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over a year ago


"No. I disagree totally. People can recover from mental illness. If you are that depressed you would consider it then you shouldn’t be allowed to make that decision. Lots of people recover from severe depression. Don’t agree with this at all. "

I completely agree that people can recover from mental illnesses. The point is that the person with one might not feel that way. It shouldn't matter if someone has severe depression or Alzheimer's or terminal cancer. If they are suffering to the point where they believe that the only way to end that suffering is by ending their lives, they should be allowed to make that decision on their own.

Look at it like this. If someone with severe depression has gotten all the help it can (years of therapy and meds) and none of it has worked, their life hasn't improved in that time, and they wanted to die, which is a more humane way to go to you?

Downing a load of pills and booze in their bedroom, completely alone and afraid? Or being given an injection in a hospital, surrounded by people who love you?

Obviously I don't want this person to kill themselves, I want them to get better, but if there's no hope of that, maybe it's better they had someone with them at the end.

It is a slippery slope, I will admit, I do think there would be cases where someone who could fully recover from their depression undergo euthanasia and it would be tragic. But on the other hand someone who doesn't recover from it either has to live a long life suffering or they kill themselves by jumping in front of a train.

It's a tricky thing, but I firmly believe that it's up to the individual and it always should be.

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By *nabelle21 OP   Woman
over a year ago

B38


"No. I disagree totally. People can recover from mental illness. If you are that depressed you would consider it then you shouldn’t be allowed to make that decision. Lots of people recover from severe depression. Don’t agree with this at all.

I completely agree that people can recover from mental illnesses. The point is that the person with one might not feel that way. It shouldn't matter if someone has severe depression or Alzheimer's or terminal cancer. If they are suffering to the point where they believe that the only way to end that suffering is by ending their lives, they should be allowed to make that decision on their own.

Look at it like this. If someone with severe depression has gotten all the help it can (years of therapy and meds) and none of it has worked, their life hasn't improved in that time, and they wanted to die, which is a more humane way to go to you?

Downing a load of pills and booze in their bedroom, completely alone and afraid? Or being given an injection in a hospital, surrounded by people who love you?

Obviously I don't want this person to kill themselves, I want them to get better, but if there's no hope of that, maybe it's better they had someone with them at the end.

It is a slippery slope, I will admit, I do think there would be cases where someone who could fully recover from their depression undergo euthanasia and it would be tragic. But on the other hand someone who doesn't recover from it either has to live a long life suffering or they kill themselves by jumping in front of a train.

It's a tricky thing, but I firmly believe that it's up to the individual and it always should be. "

It's such a tough call...it is the 1st years anniversary of a young guy who committed suicide that worked with us...mental illness must also be torture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have watched loved ones who were terminally ill...way past the strange of being able to eat ....left with no fluids except to wet their lips..they were undoubtedly going to die sooner rather than later. They essentially died of thirst and in pain. it was the most traumatic and heart breaking experience I have ever been through.i was not sorry when they passed just hugely relieved. For me more than that they were left to suffer beyond words during their moments of lucidity. I am for it."

Watched my mum die slowly 12 years ago, currently have a terminally ill dad too who’s withering away before my eyes...wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.....feel for anyone who has had to watch it

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By *nabelle21 OP   Woman
over a year ago

B38


"I have watched loved ones who were terminally ill...way past the strange of being able to eat ....left with no fluids except to wet their lips..they were undoubtedly going to die sooner rather than later. They essentially died of thirst and in pain. it was the most traumatic and heart breaking experience I have ever been through.i was not sorry when they passed just hugely relieved. For me more than that they were left to suffer beyond words during their moments of lucidity. I am for it.

Watched my mum die slowly 12 years ago, currently have a terminally ill dad too who’s withering away before my eyes...wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.....feel for anyone who has had to watch it "

You know only too well how this goes...I so sorry to hear this..I wish you strength x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. I disagree totally. People can recover from mental illness. If you are that depressed you would consider it then you shouldn’t be allowed to make that decision. Lots of people recover from severe depression. Don’t agree with this at all.

I completely agree that people can recover from mental illnesses. The point is that the person with one might not feel that way. It shouldn't matter if someone has severe depression or Alzheimer's or terminal cancer. If they are suffering to the point where they believe that the only way to end that suffering is by ending their lives, they should be allowed to make that decision on their own.

Look at it like this. If someone with severe depression has gotten all the help it can (years of therapy and meds) and none of it has worked, their life hasn't improved in that time, and they wanted to die, which is a more humane way to go to you?

Downing a load of pills and booze in their bedroom, completely alone and afraid? Or being given an injection in a hospital, surrounded by people who love you?

Obviously I don't want this person to kill themselves, I want them to get better, but if there's no hope of that, maybe it's better they had someone with them at the end.

It is a slippery slope, I will admit, I do think there would be cases where someone who could fully recover from their depression undergo euthanasia and it would be tragic. But on the other hand someone who doesn't recover from it either has to live a long life suffering or they kill themselves by jumping in front of a train.

It's a tricky thing, but I firmly believe that it's up to the individual and it always should be. "

So if they have this choice, the people who have a chance of recovery will no longer recover as they will choose to end it due to their state of mind at that time just for the sake of the people who wont. No, this can’t and won’t happen. It’s totally different to terminal illness. This can be diagnosed without doubt, recovery from mental illness/depression cannot.

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By *nabelle21 OP   Woman
over a year ago

B38


"No. I disagree totally. People can recover from mental illness. If you are that depressed you would consider it then you shouldn’t be allowed to make that decision. Lots of people recover from severe depression. Don’t agree with this at all.

I completely agree that people can recover from mental illnesses. The point is that the person with one might not feel that way. It shouldn't matter if someone has severe depression or Alzheimer's or terminal cancer. If they are suffering to the point where they believe that the only way to end that suffering is by ending their lives, they should be allowed to make that decision on their own.

Look at it like this. If someone with severe depression has gotten all the help it can (years of therapy and meds) and none of it has worked, their life hasn't improved in that time, and they wanted to die, which is a more humane way to go to you?

Downing a load of pills and booze in their bedroom, completely alone and afraid? Or being given an injection in a hospital, surrounded by people who love you?

Obviously I don't want this person to kill themselves, I want them to get better, but if there's no hope of that, maybe it's better they had someone with them at the end.

It is a slippery slope, I will admit, I do think there would be cases where someone who could fully recover from their depression undergo euthanasia and it would be tragic. But on the other hand someone who doesn't recover from it either has to live a long life suffering or they kill themselves by jumping in front of a train.

It's a tricky thing, but I firmly believe that it's up to the individual and it always should be.

So if they have this choice, the people who have a chance of recovery will no longer recover as they will choose to end it due to their state of mind at that time just for the sake of the people who wont. No, this can’t and won’t happen. It’s totally different to terminal illness. This can be diagnosed without doubt, recovery from mental illness/depression cannot. "

I think this is also different to a known quantity such as terminal illness.

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By *pider-WomanWoman
over a year ago

Exeter, Bristol, Plymouth, Truro

For

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For... but only for a severe medical reason, not including mental illness.

Why?? "
As already mentioned by others; terminal illness is non-recoverable, and therefore greatly different to mental illness; which I 100% believe is treatable. Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It's such a tough call...it is the 1st years anniversary of a young guy who committed suicide that worked with us...mental illness must also be torture."

Mental illness is so misunderstood by society and people just don't want to talk about it. It's all well and good having a mental health awareness month, but I don't think it's good enough.

Suicide is tragic, it always will be. But if someone I loved underwent euthanasia because of mental health I'd take some comfort in the knowledge that they're no longer suffering, even if they could have made a full recovery. I don't want that person to live in pain for the rest of their life hoping that things will get better for them.

If someone has to suffer through five years of mental torture, that's five years too many. If someone is in such immense pain, you don't prolong the agony, you put them out of their misery because it's the humane thing to do.

You can't think about what life might be like for them in five years, you have to think about what life is like for them in the present.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It's such a tough call...it is the 1st years anniversary of a young guy who committed suicide that worked with us...mental illness must also be torture.

Mental illness is so misunderstood by society and people just don't want to talk about it. It's all well and good having a mental health awareness month, but I don't think it's good enough.

Suicide is tragic, it always will be. But if someone I loved underwent euthanasia because of mental health I'd take some comfort in the knowledge that they're no longer suffering, even if they could have made a full recovery. I don't want that person to live in pain for the rest of their life hoping that things will get better for them.

If someone has to suffer through five years of mental torture, that's five years too many. If someone is in such immense pain, you don't prolong the agony, you put them out of their misery because it's the humane thing to do.

You can't think about what life might be like for them in five years, you have to think about what life is like for them in the present. "

Switch this convo to a pet and ekk the pet is ill lets put the fucker down! funny world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a man who watched his mother go through the indignity of Alzheimer’s, I would have done the injection myself!

Unfair to them, unfair to relatives, like she died every day, not just once. Harsh to say but it was relief I felt not sadness at the very end. "

Same experience here, and now going through it with my father also.

100% for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For... but only for a severe medical reason, not including mental illness.

Why?? As already mentioned by others; terminal illness is non-recoverable, and therefore greatly different to mental illness; which I 100% believe is treatable. Xxx"

Mental illness is treatable? really? it was made up years ago by pharmaceutical companies and used to distribute meds via gp`s worldwide, i agree but then i welcome a walk in hell with me, no bullshit look at me, just a real look at real mental health

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Against...... I believe God decides our time of departure from this life. Not us or a doctor.

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By *nabelle21 OP   Woman
over a year ago

B38


"Against...... I believe God decides our time of departure from this life. Not us or a doctor. "

what about when God has decided and the time is imminent...can it not be done more humanely

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Against...... I believe God decides our time of departure from this life. Not us or a doctor.

what about when God has decided and the time is imminent...can it not be done more humanely "

I agree there are medical interventions which ease folks passing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Against...... I believe God decides our time of departure from this life. Not us or a doctor. "

when you can show me this fella you talk of i`ll follow you with a passion, till then i`ll stay fucked up ta

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By *exyCouple999Couple
over a year ago

South Bucks


"For.

I don't understand why compassion to end suffering is acknowledged as acceptable in some countries and not others. The law is an ass. "

There are plenty of laws that differ from country to country - not just ones relating to euthanasia !

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Against...... I believe God decides our time of departure from this life. Not us or a doctor.

what about when God has decided and the time is imminent...can it not be done more humanely

I agree there are medical interventions which ease folks passing. "

how about medical interventions that bring a person back who would have died without them?

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"

It's such a tough call...it is the 1st years anniversary of a young guy who committed suicide that worked with us...mental illness must also be torture.

Mental illness is so misunderstood by society and people just don't want to talk about it. It's all well and good having a mental health awareness month, but I don't think it's good enough.

Suicide is tragic, it always will be. But if someone I loved underwent euthanasia because of mental health I'd take some comfort in the knowledge that they're no longer suffering, even if they could have made a full recovery. I don't want that person to live in pain for the rest of their life hoping that things will get better for them.

If someone has to suffer through five years of mental torture, that's five years too many. If someone is in such immense pain, you don't prolong the agony, you put them out of their misery because it's the humane thing to do.

You can't think about what life might be like for them in five years, you have to think about what life is like for them in the present.

Switch this convo to a pet and ekk the pet is ill lets put the fucker down! funny world"

A pet is not the same as a person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Against, but only just.

There are a number of posts that mention putting down pets, but how many are put down because treating them is too expensive? In the case of strays often healthy animals are put down because of the cost of feeding them, do we apply that to people?

Problem with many old age illnesses e.g. dementia, there is no way if knowing the person consents.

I also worry about the doctors and nurses who will have to become executioners if it is left to them to carry out the killings.

Against that, I feel those that wish to die by their own hand should get able to do so.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Against...... I believe God decides our time of departure from this life. Not us or a doctor.

when you can show me this fella you talk of i`ll follow you with a passion, till then i`ll stay fucked up ta"

You have to find your own faith....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Against...... I believe God decides our time of departure from this life. Not us or a doctor.

when you can show me this fella you talk of i`ll follow you with a passion, till then i`ll stay fucked up ta

You have to find your own faith...."

So you can`t say you can save me! unless i have a credit card

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

A tough one but in the end I would be for euthanasia as pointed out in a earlier posting in this thread we wouldn’t let a cat or dog suffer why would we let a loved one suffer.Let them have sometime doing what they enjoyed doing when they were younger eating , drinking , smoking before they had to stop and start taking pills.One last family meal then then take the pills or injection and all their pain will be over.Why prolong the agony and pain.

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By *unningFoxWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I agree on letting terminally ill and mentally ill choose this way to go. I know two cases from my country when man had disease what made him paralysed slowly and he would die shortly as this disease would stop his heart eventually. In other case woman was r*ped and never get over it, suffered all her life, went through therapy after therapy but could not reach good place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree on letting terminally ill and mentally ill choose this way to go. I know two cases from my country when man had disease what made him paralysed slowly and he would die shortly as this disease would stop his heart eventually. In other case woman was r*ped and never get over it, suffered all her life, went through therapy after therapy but could not reach good place. "

youv`e hit the nail! it`s qall about how the person perceives life! not how dr`s look at them and say meds will help! they will help global wealthy companys get richer! with one more death!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree on letting terminally ill and mentally ill choose this way to go. I know two cases from my country when man had disease what made him paralysed slowly and he would die shortly as this disease would stop his heart eventually. In other case woman was r*ped and never get over it, suffered all her life, went through therapy after therapy but could not reach good place. "

The difficulty I have with your second example, if she wanted out there are plenty of options for the able bodied to end it, so she chose not to. What gives anyone the right to choose for her? First case may have been unable to opt out himself if the paralysis came on quickly, but possibly could have so again why put someone else in charge?

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By *erfumedpornovampireWoman
over a year ago

Swindon


"Read Love Life by Ray Kluun"

Also Shaking Hands with Death by Terry Pratchett, it was written for his Dimbleby lecture and explains how it can be achieved morally and legally.

I'm absolutely in favour of it

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