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"It's down to the ease of creating your own holiday online I think - hotels and cheap flights. Many people no longer see the need for a middle man. Luke" There could be something to that but I've found that the package holiday providers still manage to get themselves lower hotel prices than the average Joe. | |||
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"It's down to the ease of creating your own holiday online I think - hotels and cheap flights. Many people no longer see the need for a middle man. Luke There could be something to that but I've found that the package holiday providers still manage to get themselves lower hotel prices than the average Joe." Thats true the package holiday companies work out cheaper for the flight and hotel they are just a little less flexible on duration. | |||
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"It's down to the ease of creating your own holiday online I think - hotels and cheap flights. Many people no longer see the need for a middle man. Luke There could be something to that but I've found that the package holiday providers still manage to get themselves lower hotel prices than the average Joe." That may be, but I reckon a lot of people don't even go into a branch to find that out. | |||
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"It's down to the ease of creating your own holiday online I think - hotels and cheap flights. Many people no longer see the need for a middle man. Luke There could be something to that but I've found that the package holiday providers still manage to get themselves lower hotel prices than the average Joe. That may be, but I reckon a lot of people don't even go into a branch to find that out. " People don't they book online with them. | |||
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"It's down to the ease of creating your own holiday online I think - hotels and cheap flights. Many people no longer see the need for a middle man. Luke There could be something to that but I've found that the package holiday providers still manage to get themselves lower hotel prices than the average Joe. That may be, but I reckon a lot of people don't even go into a branch to find that out. People don't they book online with them. " It's normally where they have the slightly better discounts too... for some reason I've never been able to figure out. Why penalise people for going in to a store | |||
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"It's down to the ease of creating your own holiday online I think - hotels and cheap flights. Many people no longer see the need for a middle man. Luke" I agree with this, in most towns now as well there are independent travel agents that take a lot less commission than the giants and can get you some great deals. Its not down to brexit in my opinion, just people having to be more savvy with their money. | |||
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"It's down to the ease of creating your own holiday online I think - hotels and cheap flights. Many people no longer see the need for a middle man. Luke There could be something to that but I've found that the package holiday providers still manage to get themselves lower hotel prices than the average Joe. That may be, but I reckon a lot of people don't even go into a branch to find that out. People don't they book online with them. It's normally where they have the slightly better discounts too... for some reason I've never been able to figure out. Why penalise people for going in to a store " I don't see it as penalising the stores have to be paid for as the staff online customers shouldn't have to subsidise those who use high-street agency's | |||
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"Who thought that this super giant are close to a collapse? They need £200mill to survive, how do you think it got to this point, could it be down to brexit?" As much as you would love it to be because of Brexit, it isn't. Thomas Cook has been in the shit for years. There are probably a hundred reasons as to why. Too much reliance on the high street and the ill advised merger/takeover of the MyTravel group, to name just a couple, but Brexit aint one of them. Sorry if I've pissed on your parade. | |||
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"It's down to the ease of creating your own holiday online I think - hotels and cheap flights. Many people no longer see the need for a middle man. Luke I agree with this, in most towns now as well there are independent travel agents that take a lot less commission than the giants and can get you some great deals. Its not down to brexit in my opinion, just people having to be more savvy with their money. " I think that too as the ease of booking a holiday online and as well it would be alot cheaper as you cut out the middle man, the high street is getting more and more empty with the revolution of the internet. | |||
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"It's down to the ease of creating your own holiday online I think - hotels and cheap flights. Many people no longer see the need for a middle man. Luke" Agree with this completely, I've organised our last 4 holidays doing it separately including transfers and still done it cheaper than travel agent prices (Mr) | |||
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"I have a friend within the travel industry and this has nothing to do with Brexit and has been on the cards for a while. They have come close before Brexit was voted for 3 years ago so it has nothing to do with Brexit. " True but some ill informed sensationalists will always try to blame things on Brexit. | |||
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"I’m due to fly out to Egypt tomorrow with Thomas Cook looking doubtful now." he died in 1892 anyway..take cheeky69 or Annabelle instead .(good luck anyway) | |||
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"Taxpayer shouldn't bale out mismanagement. -Average Joe ." If it was only that simple. It's the taxpayer owned RBS that is holding out for the extra 200 million. So if RBS digs its heels in and TC goes bust, not only will the taxpayer owned bank have to write off massive debts but the government will have to pay for the repatriation of around 180,000 stranded holiday makers. I'm sure that someone somewhere will be doing the maths on this. | |||
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"Who thought that this super giant are close to a collapse? They need £200mill to survive, how do you think it got to this point, could it be down to brexit?" nope.... its because they basically spuff all there money from becoming a holiday company into trying to become an airline company who sell holidays..... the holiday bit of the company is viable... the airline bit isn't..... at this stage its almost as self-fulfilling prophacy they will go bankrupt because there is zero chance i would buy a holiday/plane ticket thru them if there is a chance they could wind up tomorrow and i'd be left with nothing.... | |||
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"They are now holding crisis talks, what will they do with the airplanes?" Well I Had A paper one and that folded | |||
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"How can it be down to brexit, brexit hasn't happened yet! Fact us margins on holidays are tight, £ is worth 25% less that's £50,000,000 accounted for, and wages are still low compared to inflation first luxury to cut is holidays. The fuss and incompitant mangment of brexit has affected the value of the pound, and these enough to wipeout package holiday operators profits to the point they are running on a loss " | |||
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"Couldn't care hope they fold " 9,000 former employees who ain't getting paid this month wish you well too. | |||
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"I just don't understand how it can "suddenly" find itself so much in debt! Did someone open the till and say "Oh shit hang on everyone, there was £200m in here yesterday and it's gone now!"? " There is no "suddenly" about it. TC has been building up debt for a decade or more, totalling 1.6 billion. A 975 million rescue plan was in place but the banks, mainly RBS, demanded that another 200 million was in place to tide the company over the winter. That money couldn't be found so the whole deal fell apart. Even if it had been found it would have been nothing more than a sticking plaster. The seeds of the problem were sown when it took over the old (and failing) MyTravel group and those seeds were well watered when it bet the farm on the high street by taking on the old Co-Op travel shops. | |||
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"Sorry for all the staff ...but this has been on the cards for years ....just not viable business blame the internet ...or britex again" There are plenty of viable Travel Companys still operating.... TC took on too many struggling smaller companys and struggles from there | |||
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"Sorry for all the staff ...but this has been on the cards for years ....just not viable business blame the internet ...or britex again There are plenty of viable Travel Companys still operating.... TC took on too many struggling smaller companys and struggles from there" Not so much smaller company's as one big one. I briefly worked for the MyTravel group when I first moved to Spain in 2004. Even then they were in the shit with a mountain of debt. When the shit finally hit the fan in 2007 TC stepped in and took the lot over and saddled itself with an unsustainable mountain of debt. Then when someone should have told them "when you are in a hole stop digging" they decided that high street travel shops were still the way forward. So they took on the old Co-Op travel chain. It seems to me that someone was more keen on building an empire than running a profitable business. Now the result is there for all to see. | |||
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"Sorry for all the staff ...but this has been on the cards for years ....just not viable business blame the internet ...or britex again There are plenty of viable Travel Companys still operating.... TC took on too many struggling smaller companys and struggles from there Not so much smaller company's as one big one. I briefly worked for the MyTravel group when I first moved to Spain in 2004. Even then they were in the shit with a mountain of debt. When the shit finally hit the fan in 2007 TC stepped in and took the lot over and saddled itself with an unsustainable mountain of debt. Then when someone should have told them "when you are in a hole stop digging" they decided that high street travel shops were still the way forward. So they took on the old Co-Op travel chain. It seems to me that someone was more keen on building an empire than running a profitable business. Now the result is there for all to see. " I thought they had merge with one or two more but cant find the names or links now.. I could be wrong but ya I agree it was too focused on building an empire well put | |||
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"Sorry for all the staff ...but this has been on the cards for years ....just not viable business blame the internet ...or britex again There are plenty of viable Travel Companys still operating.... TC took on too many struggling smaller companys and struggles from there Not so much smaller company's as one big one. I briefly worked for the MyTravel group when I first moved to Spain in 2004. Even then they were in the shit with a mountain of debt. When the shit finally hit the fan in 2007 TC stepped in and took the lot over and saddled itself with an unsustainable mountain of debt. Then when someone should have told them "when you are in a hole stop digging" they decided that high street travel shops were still the way forward. So they took on the old Co-Op travel chain. It seems to me that someone was more keen on building an empire than running a profitable business. Now the result is there for all to see. I thought they had merge with one or two more but cant find the names or links now.. I could be wrong but ya I agree it was too focused on building an empire well put " Some of the smaller names (Airtours, Direct Holidays Etc) would have been part of the MyTravel group. That lot had more names than the Royal Family. | |||
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"Thomas cook were taking bookings up to midnight ( declared in administration at 2am)" They were still in business at that time. They were probably taking advice to do just that. | |||
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"Thomas cook were taking bookings up to midnight ( declared in administration at 2am) They were still in business at that time. They were probably taking advice to do just that." that would be government advice..take peoples savings who might not see it again | |||
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"My daughter turns 7 in November, weve also had some really really "trying times" over the last 3 years. Guess who booked to take her to Disneyland Paris with TC in October? I have an atol number so, allegedly, I'll get my money back. Not really much comfort atm to be fair. I used a travel agent as I'm new to the game and wanted to make sure we were "safe"." Much as that’s very sad for you and your daughter you will get your money back ATOL have said they will try to process all claims by the end of the month. I feel sorry for my TC friends those who fly or are left in resort helping to repatriate the 150,000 stranded. They have chosen to be the ultimate professionals and go to work knowing they won’t get paid this month, unfortunately ATOL won’t cover their mortgage/rent payments nor will it stop their kids from going hungry. | |||
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"My daughter turns 7 in November, weve also had some really really "trying times" over the last 3 years. Guess who booked to take her to Disneyland Paris with TC in October? I have an atol number so, allegedly, I'll get my money back. Not really much comfort atm to be fair. I used a travel agent as I'm new to the game and wanted to make sure we were "safe". Much as that’s very sad for you and your daughter you will get your money back ATOL have said they will try to process all claims by the end of the month. I feel sorry for my TC friends those who fly or are left in resort helping to repatriate the 150,000 stranded. They have chosen to be the ultimate professionals and go to work knowing they won’t get paid this month, unfortunately ATOL won’t cover their mortgage/rent payments nor will it stop their kids from going hungry. " Hats off to the good guys in this | |||
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"Apparently one of the top googled subjects yesterday was Thomas cook's-top directors pay.." | |||
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"Not heard anything from Extinction Rebellion or the Green Party about the environmental benefits of all those cancelled flights yet. Plus employees not using their cars to get to work and back, computer systems, lighting and power in their shops all now not being used - the benefits to the environment must be huge." Greta will be happy then. | |||
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"My daughter turns 7 in November, weve also had some really really "trying times" over the last 3 years. Guess who booked to take her to Disneyland Paris with TC in October? I have an atol number so, allegedly, I'll get my money back. Not really much comfort atm to be fair. I used a travel agent as I'm new to the game and wanted to make sure we were "safe". Much as that’s very sad for you and your daughter you will get your money back ATOL have said they will try to process all claims by the end of the month. I feel sorry for my TC friends those who fly or are left in resort helping to repatriate the 150,000 stranded. They have chosen to be the ultimate professionals and go to work knowing they won’t get paid this month, unfortunately ATOL won’t cover their mortgage/rent payments nor will it stop their kids from going hungry. " I cant even download an ATOL form until at least 30 Sept then can expect to wait up to 3 months for my money back | |||
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" Much as that’s very sad, you will get your money back ATOL have said they will try to process all claims by the end of the month. " " I cant even download an ATOL form until at least 30 Sept then can expect to wait up to 3 months for my money back" This is the benefit of booking with a travel agent, they have supplies of the claims forms and will usually rebook your holiday without the necessity of paying up front, instead your claim will be used against the new holiday. | |||
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"Who thought that this super giant are close to a collapse? They need £200mill to survive, how do you think it got to this point, could it be down to brexit?" Down to Brexit? Do you think so? In which country is the head quarters and roots of The Land of Haribo? The failure of Thomas Cook is down to corporate greed. Nothing else. | |||
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"Because of Thomas Cook im stuck on a backward cold insignificant island..and I'm in Devon " Devon knows how they make it so custardly. | |||
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" Much as that’s very sad, you will get your money back ATOL have said they will try to process all claims by the end of the month. I cant even download an ATOL form until at least 30 Sept then can expect to wait up to 3 months for my money back This is the benefit of booking with a travel agent, they have supplies of the claims forms and will usually rebook your holiday without the necessity of paying up front, instead your claim will be used against the new holiday. " The downside of booking with a travel agent is, you don't really know if you've booked with Thomas Crook or travel agent. You just sign the bottom of the contract where it says "sign here" and trust Visa to pick up the bill if you've been a complete numpty. | |||
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"I’m due to fly out to Egypt tomorrow with Thomas Cook looking doubtful now." Well I made it out there just, had a brilliant holiday and thanks to the CAA a safe and hassle free flight back last night. | |||
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"I was just flown back from Orlando with Virgin " Some of my colleagues did some of the rescue flights. Glad you got back ok. | |||
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"Government officials at the airport. It was very well organised " We still have more rescue flights to operate. Luckily we had some spare aircraft to do this. | |||
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"Government officials at the airport. It was very well organised We still have more rescue flights to operate. Luckily we had some spare aircraft to do this. " They were really good. Checked us in immediately and we didn't even have to queue | |||
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