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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The experience of sex with no payment for services rendered is liberating.

Those that pay for sex, or for the hope of it, have no idea!

If money is involved and actually pre-eminent in the transaction (even when not specifically expressed) then surely by definition that sexual experience is cheapened?

Discuss.

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By *oss and SuzieCouple
over a year ago

Porthmadog

It certainly is different. Having tried both, paid sex is the purest form of sex. Just two bodies doing what comes naturally without any emotional clat-trap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The experience of sex with no payment for services rendered is liberating.

Those that pay for sex, or for the hope of it, have no idea!

If money is involved and actually pre-eminent in the transaction (even when not specifically expressed) then surely by definition that sexual experience is cheapened?

Discuss."

Ahh, the humble brag

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By *effrey45Man
over a year ago

Lytham

I’ve never tired of women wanting to pay me for sex..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It certainly is different. Having tried both, paid sex is the purest form of sex. Just two bodies doing what comes naturally without any emotional clat-trap. "
I would say it gives the idea of sex in it's rawest form unencumbered by other things but that is a fallacy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What about the payment of money (entrance fee)to attend an organized event that holds the prospect of a sexual encounter, isn't then the resulting encounter cheapened?

Though it may be enjoyed there was a price to pay. Is not the person devaluing themselves through some sort of money exchange? Even if not to the direct participant(s) in the sexual act?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

People have many ways to try to hold others under their spell or transact such that sex is gained

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sex is sex. Doesn’t matter if it’s free or paid for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can understand how being paid could be a turn on though.

Those who enjoy being humiliated could get turned on at being paid 50p, by contrast being offered huge amounts could be seen as a compliment too.

Personally I'd be flattered to be offered 50p.

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach


"People have many ways to try to hold others under their spell or transact such that sex is gained

"

...and I think in reality, there are probably very many, pretty good, marriages built on that basis.

Not everyone is into singing hearts and romance.

If an arrangement, of any sort, works for two people, then good on them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's a very fine line within a marriage when it comes to paying for sex. I'm thinking of taking my Mrs to court for fraud!

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

Apart from the very rare occasion where you may bump into someone and just have sex there is always a transactional element to this human interaction.

Dinner? Drinks? Travel? Time? Clothes? Make up? Just because it isn't a straight cash for sex transaction doesn't mean that both parties haven't paid money to get to that point.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

East Sussex

My opinion is that if you feel that paying an entrance fee or paying for dinner is in some way paying for sex (if that's the end result) then it's your mind set that cheapens the act rather than the payment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My opinion is that if you feel that paying an entrance fee or paying for dinner is in some way paying for sex (if that's the end result) then it's your mind set that cheapens the act rather than the payment."

Yes exactly this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only if your paying a stripper to hold the camera as you bang the mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lads, who can honestly say they never bought a woman a drink in the hope of getting their leg over?

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"My opinion is that if you feel that paying an entrance fee or paying for dinner is in some way paying for sex (if that's the end result) then it's your mind set that cheapens the act rather than the payment."

So true, but that's a very mercenary mindset of a certain input equals that outcome.

As adults it is always in the background of our thoughts, but when you apply the expectation of the outcome it pushes the boundaries of what many would deem acceptable..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lads, who can honestly say they never bought a woman a drink in the hope of getting their leg over?"
me not once im too cheap i make them buy me one

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My opinion is that if you feel that paying an entrance fee or paying for dinner is in some way paying for sex (if that's the end result) then it's your mind set that cheapens the act rather than the payment."
Paying for dinner is not part of the equation here, or drinks, Cinema and theatre etc.

I'm talking about financial transactions that are specificially built around sex or the prospect of it.

Your regular dating romance style investment is not an issue with me.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"What about the payment of money (entrance fee)to attend an organized event that holds the prospect of a sexual encounter, isn't then the resulting encounter cheapened?

Though it may be enjoyed there was a price to pay. Is not the person devaluing themselves through some sort of money exchange? Even if not to the direct participant(s) in the sexual act?

"

If you're talking about entrance to clubs or other events then I think it very much depends on the mindset you go with - if it is one of purely there for the sex and in the hope/desperation of getting sex (wanking zombies take a step forward) then yes it may seem to others to cheapen things.

If you go with the mindset of paying that entrance fee does not mean you are guaranteed sex but may facilitate sexual encounters with likeminded people then I don't think anything is cheapened at all.

To take it a stage further - when I meet people from here, it's usually in a hotel that we've shared the cost of, we may incur other costs drinks, food, social activity, new clothes etc etc - all of which we'd not have had if we weren't meeting - is that buying sex? Not at all. Does it cheapen anything? Not at all. Do we have a great time and just see the hotel as a means to facilitate that great time? Of course.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What about the payment of money (entrance fee)to attend an organized event that holds the prospect of a sexual encounter, isn't then the resulting encounter cheapened?

Though it may be enjoyed there was a price to pay. Is not the person devaluing themselves through some sort of money exchange? Even if not to the direct participant(s) in the sexual act?

If you're talking about entrance to clubs or other events then I think it very much depends on the mindset you go with - if it is one of purely there for the sex and in the hope/desperation of getting sex (wanking zombies take a step forward) then yes it may seem to others to cheapen things.

If you go with the mindset of paying that entrance fee does not mean you are guaranteed sex but may facilitate sexual encounters with likeminded people then I don't think anything is cheapened at all.

To take it a stage further - when I meet people from here, it's usually in a hotel that we've shared the cost of, we may incur other costs drinks, food, social activity, new clothes etc etc - all of which we'd not have had if we weren't meeting - is that buying sex? Not at all. Does it cheapen anything? Not at all. Do we have a great time and just see the hotel as a means to facilitate that great time? Of course."

You have the right mindset if money is involved at all. I agree.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What about the worth of others in the eyes of those who hold events.

How do you know if your not a cash cow to them or if they are real facilitators because they really enjoy the scene themselves? Money transactions can undoubtedly cloud issues.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved."

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being?"

I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being? I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours."

So someone pays money to get dressed up, travel, book a hotel, get their rocks off. Do you think people do this just to feel cheap and bad about themselves? It sounds like you are projecting a morality that others may not subscribe to.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being? I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours.

So someone pays money to get dressed up, travel, book a hotel, get their rocks off. Do you think people do this just to feel cheap and bad about themselves? It sounds like you are projecting a morality that others may not subscribe to."

No I'm not talking about any of the things you just described, those sound like a reasonable investment without the influence (by your description) of others.

I am not approaching it from a sense of morality but from a sense of worth. You haven't responded to my pointing you to my post above your one - do you have any thoughts on that?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being? I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours.

So someone pays money to get dressed up, travel, book a hotel, get their rocks off. Do you think people do this just to feel cheap and bad about themselves? It sounds like you are projecting a morality that others may not subscribe to. No I'm not talking about any of the things you just described, those sound like a reasonable investment without the influence (by your description) of others.

I am not approaching it from a sense of morality but from a sense of worth. You haven't responded to my pointing you to my post above your one - do you have any thoughts on that? "

I'm talking about the post that mentions cash cow and facilitating. I didn't realise you had entered the conversation before that.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being? I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours.

So someone pays money to get dressed up, travel, book a hotel, get their rocks off. Do you think people do this just to feel cheap and bad about themselves? It sounds like you are projecting a morality that others may not subscribe to. No I'm not talking about any of the things you just described, those sound like a reasonable investment without the influence (by your description) of others.

I am not approaching it from a sense of morality but from a sense of worth. You haven't responded to my pointing you to my post above your one - do you have any thoughts on that? "

It's difficult to moralise from the inside. You cant throw stones in a glass house.. or apply morals to others without having it reflected back at you.

Who do you think the worse of? The spoilt bratty princess or the sugar daddy? Both are implicit and it's a mutually beneficial arrangement.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being? I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours.

So someone pays money to get dressed up, travel, book a hotel, get their rocks off. Do you think people do this just to feel cheap and bad about themselves? It sounds like you are projecting a morality that others may not subscribe to. No I'm not talking about any of the things you just described, those sound like a reasonable investment without the influence (by your description) of others.

I am not approaching it from a sense of morality but from a sense of worth. You haven't responded to my pointing you to my post above your one - do you have any thoughts on that?

It's difficult to moralise from the inside. You cant throw stones in a glass house.. or apply morals to others without having it reflected back at you.

Who do you think the worse of? The spoilt bratty princess or the sugar daddy? Both are implicit and it's a mutually beneficial arrangement. "

You can consider the question if it's not your habit to do so. My first verification was a type of money for the experience transaction. I have also in the early days attended a few events where I paid an entrance fee. So I think to have an experience(s) and then withdraw through choice and consider it, is the place to begin a discussion. It's not a moralising crusade, just a discussion.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being? I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours.

So someone pays money to get dressed up, travel, book a hotel, get their rocks off. Do you think people do this just to feel cheap and bad about themselves? It sounds like you are projecting a morality that others may not subscribe to. No I'm not talking about any of the things you just described, those sound like a reasonable investment without the influence (by your description) of others.

I am not approaching it from a sense of morality but from a sense of worth. You haven't responded to my pointing you to my post above your one - do you have any thoughts on that?

It's difficult to moralise from the inside. You cant throw stones in a glass house.. or apply morals to others without having it reflected back at you.

Who do you think the worse of? The spoilt bratty princess or the sugar daddy? Both are implicit and it's a mutually beneficial arrangement.

You can consider the question if it's not your habit to do so. My first verification was a type of money for the experience transaction. I have also in the early days attended a few events where I paid an entrance fee. So I think to have an experience(s) and then withdraw through choice and consider it, is the place to begin a discussion. It's not a moralising crusade, just a discussion."

Although ideas of health or unhealthiness, 'good for you' or 'bad for you' may be involved.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod

over a year ago

East Sussex


"My opinion is that if you feel that paying an entrance fee or paying for dinner is in some way paying for sex (if that's the end result) then it's your mind set that cheapens the act rather than the payment. Paying for dinner is not part of the equation here, or drinks, Cinema and theatre etc.

I'm talking about financial transactions that are specificially built around sex or the prospect of it.

Your regular dating romance style investment is not an issue with me.

"

OK, I understand what you're saying I think.

I think it's the interaction itself and how you think of the other person and yourself rather than the payment that cheapens it. If I pay for a hotel room and have sex with my long term partner there's nothing distasteful about it because a financial transaction has taken place

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being? I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours.

So someone pays money to get dressed up, travel, book a hotel, get their rocks off. Do you think people do this just to feel cheap and bad about themselves? It sounds like you are projecting a morality that others may not subscribe to. No I'm not talking about any of the things you just described, those sound like a reasonable investment without the influence (by your description) of others.

I am not approaching it from a sense of morality but from a sense of worth. You haven't responded to my pointing you to my post above your one - do you have any thoughts on that?

It's difficult to moralise from the inside. You cant throw stones in a glass house.. or apply morals to others without having it reflected back at you.

Who do you think the worse of? The spoilt bratty princess or the sugar daddy? Both are implicit and it's a mutually beneficial arrangement. "

Mutually beneficial up to a point, but limiting in other ways potentially such as self-reliance or character building.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My opinion is that if you feel that paying an entrance fee or paying for dinner is in some way paying for sex (if that's the end result) then it's your mind set that cheapens the act rather than the payment. Paying for dinner is not part of the equation here, or drinks, Cinema and theatre etc.

I'm talking about financial transactions that are specificially built around sex or the prospect of it.

Your regular dating romance style investment is not an issue with me.

OK, I understand what you're saying I think.

I think it's the interaction itself and how you think of the other person and yourself rather than the payment that cheapens it. If I pay for a hotel room and have sex with my long term partner there's nothing distasteful about it because a financial transaction has taken place "

Exactly.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being? I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours.

So someone pays money to get dressed up, travel, book a hotel, get their rocks off. Do you think people do this just to feel cheap and bad about themselves? It sounds like you are projecting a morality that others may not subscribe to. No I'm not talking about any of the things you just described, those sound like a reasonable investment without the influence (by your description) of others.

I am not approaching it from a sense of morality but from a sense of worth. You haven't responded to my pointing you to my post above your one - do you have any thoughts on that?

It's difficult to moralise from the inside. You cant throw stones in a glass house.. or apply morals to others without having it reflected back at you.

Who do you think the worse of? The spoilt bratty princess or the sugar daddy? Both are implicit and it's a mutually beneficial arrangement.

You can consider the question if it's not your habit to do so. My first verification was a type of money for the experience transaction. I have also in the early days attended a few events where I paid an entrance fee. So I think to have an experience(s) and then withdraw through choice and consider it, is the place to begin a discussion. It's not a moralising crusade, just a discussion."

I did consider the question, and answered accordingly. I haven't judged anyone, just asking why you are implying relative worth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

You can consider the question if it's not your habit to do so. My first verification was a type of money for the experience transaction. I have also in the early days attended a few events where I paid an entrance fee. So I think to have an experience(s) and then withdraw through choice and consider it, is the place to begin a discussion. It's not a moralising crusade, just a discussion."

So, on a side note OP, are you saying that you had to pay the first couple who verified you ?...and if so, did you know they were planning on charging money before you got there ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it cheapens a person who pays for sex in response to a gangbang advert on here? Or who pays to attend an event and that person has no prior contacts attending but goes there hoping for a sexual encounter?

After all no attendance without money involved.

Do you think you have the right to decide someone's worth? If someone decides to spend their money on something that gives them happiness?

Do you think anyone should care what relative value you put on them as a being? I respect your comment. What of the value they put on themselves? Looking at it from the aspect of my post above yours.

So someone pays money to get dressed up, travel, book a hotel, get their rocks off. Do you think people do this just to feel cheap and bad about themselves? It sounds like you are projecting a morality that others may not subscribe to. No I'm not talking about any of the things you just described, those sound like a reasonable investment without the influence (by your description) of others.

I am not approaching it from a sense of morality but from a sense of worth. You haven't responded to my pointing you to my post above your one - do you have any thoughts on that?

It's difficult to moralise from the inside. You cant throw stones in a glass house.. or apply morals to others without having it reflected back at you.

Who do you think the worse of? The spoilt bratty princess or the sugar daddy? Both are implicit and it's a mutually beneficial arrangement.

You can consider the question if it's not your habit to do so. My first verification was a type of money for the experience transaction. I have also in the early days attended a few events where I paid an entrance fee. So I think to have an experience(s) and then withdraw through choice and consider it, is the place to begin a discussion. It's not a moralising crusade, just a discussion.

I did consider the question, and answered accordingly. I haven't judged anyone, just asking why you are implying relative worth. "

I suppose I've been on a journey and formed some opinions along the way that stand me in good stead, so I have the healthiest type of experience for myself whilst I'm on here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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You can consider the question if it's not your habit to do so. My first verification was a type of money for the experience transaction. I have also in the early days attended a few events where I paid an entrance fee. So I think to have an experience(s) and then withdraw through choice and consider it, is the place to begin a discussion. It's not a moralising crusade, just a discussion.

So, on a side note OP, are you saying that you had to pay the first couple who verified you ?...and if so, did you know they were planning on charging money before you got there ?"

It was a gangbang event a fee for entrance.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

You can consider the question if it's not your habit to do so. My first verification was a type of money for the experience transaction. I have also in the early days attended a few events where I paid an entrance fee. So I think to have an experience(s) and then withdraw through choice and consider it, is the place to begin a discussion. It's not a moralising crusade, just a discussion.

So, on a side note OP, are you saying that you had to pay the first couple who verified you ?...and if so, did you know they were planning on charging money before you got there ? It was a gangbang event a fee for I presumed for entrance."

Yes I knew I they were charging money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly couldn't care less if someone pays for/is paid for sex.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I honestly couldn't care less if someone pays for/is paid for sex."
Why not?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I honestly couldn't care less if someone pays for/is paid for sex. Why not?"
All opinions are welcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about the payment of money (entrance fee)to attend an organized event that holds the prospect of a sexual encounter, isn't then the resulting encounter cheapened?

Though it may be enjoyed there was a price to pay. Is not the person devaluing themselves through some sort of money exchange? Even if not to the direct participant(s) in the sexual act?

"

Not in the slightest.

I've been to nightclubs where you pay to get in, I didn't find the dancing experience shame inducing or not as good as if I'd gone somewhere that didn't charge an entry fee.

The cleaners need to be paid for, the toilet roll needs to be paid for, the staff need to be paid for as does rent/insurance on the venue I would imagine. So no, I don't feel paying entry cheapened or devalued the experiences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd pay for a relaxing massage because it feels good, so I don't see the problem with paying for anything else that also feels good

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit


"What about the payment of money (entrance fee)to attend an organized event that holds the prospect of a sexual encounter, isn't then the resulting encounter cheapened?

Though it may be enjoyed there was a price to pay. Is not the person devaluing themselves through some sort of money exchange? Even if not to the direct participant(s) in the sexual act?

If you're talking about entrance to clubs or other events then I think it very much depends on the mindset you go with - if it is one of purely there for the sex and in the hope/desperation of getting sex (wanking zombies take a step forward) then yes it may seem to others to cheapen things.

If you go with the mindset of paying that entrance fee does not mean you are guaranteed sex but may facilitate sexual encounters with likeminded people then I don't think anything is cheapened at all.

To take it a stage further - when I meet people from here, it's usually in a hotel that we've shared the cost of, we may incur other costs drinks, food, social activity, new clothes etc etc - all of which we'd not have had if we weren't meeting - is that buying sex? Not at all. Does it cheapen anything? Not at all. Do we have a great time and just see the hotel as a means to facilitate that great time? Of course.

You have the right mindset if money is involved at all. I agree."

I have to confess to not being entirely sure what point you are trying to make or project onto others here - ultimately it's for each of us to decide as individuals whether something fits in with our own moral codes and whether the result of acting on specific events makes us feel cheap or not?

Personally I could never use the services of a prostitute or attend a paid entrance gang bang not because I think they're inherently wrong, but because I know they would not be for me or provide me with more than a momentary feeling of satisfaction - do I think that someone who would take either of those actions is "cheap" or somehow lesser than me? Not at all based purely on the action.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It certainly is different. Having tried both, paid sex is the purest form of sex. Just two bodies doing what comes naturally without any emotional clat-trap. "

One body is doing what comes naturally you mean. For the other, it's not natural attraction or the desire to mate that drives them, so it's actually quite unnatural?

B

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What about the payment of money (entrance fee)to attend an organized event that holds the prospect of a sexual encounter, isn't then the resulting encounter cheapened?

Though it may be enjoyed there was a price to pay. Is not the person devaluing themselves through some sort of money exchange? Even if not to the direct participant(s) in the sexual act?

Not in the slightest.

I've been to nightclubs where you pay to get in, I didn't find the dancing experience shame inducing or not as good as if I'd gone somewhere that didn't charge an entry fee.

The cleaners need to be paid for, the toilet roll needs to be paid for, the staff need to be paid for as does rent/insurance on the venue I would imagine. So no, I don't feel paying entry cheapened or devalued the experiences.

P"

An excellent point, yes people need to be paid. The mention of shame inducing is not the point here at all. It's more along the lines of whether money involved in a sexual or potential sexual encounter values it or devalues it.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"The experience of sex with no payment for services rendered is liberating.

Those that pay for sex, or for the hope of it, have no idea!

If money is involved and actually pre-eminent in the transaction (even when not specifically expressed) then surely by definition that sexual experience is cheapened?

Discuss."

Can it really be cheapened if it's more expensive?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The experience of sex with no payment for services rendered is liberating.

Those that pay for sex, or for the hope of it, have no idea!

If money is involved and actually pre-eminent in the transaction (even when not specifically expressed) then surely by definition that sexual experience is cheapened?

Discuss.

Can it really be cheapened if it's more expensive? "

If something cannot be had without the exchange of money doesn't that in fact make the thing bought secondary in the eyes of the seller? It may be a close second I admit! Of course the value put on the exchange by the buyer may be different.

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante

We prefer to go to a swingers club and happy to pay the entrance fee. Does this mean we have low self worth or think similarly of others....absolutely not. We go because it's enjoyable and separating that from other things you pay for, meals out etc as others have mentioned, is just trying to justify the argument. We are happy with the way we do things and that isn't going to change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I honestly couldn't care less if someone pays for/is paid for sex. Why not?"

Because it has nothing to do with me. If both parties are consenting and there's no coercion or trafficking, there's no problem.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The experience of sex with no payment for services rendered is liberating.

Those that pay for sex, or for the hope of it, have no idea!

If money is involved and actually pre-eminent in the transaction (even when not specifically expressed) then surely by definition that sexual experience is cheapened?

Discuss.

Can it really be cheapened if it's more expensive? If something cannot be had without the exchange of money doesn't that in fact make the thing bought secondary in the eyes of the seller? It may be a close second I admit! Of course the value put on the exchange by the buyer may be different."

By your initial question you are saying there is a cost which is more expensive/valuable than the actual sexual exchange?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about the payment of money (entrance fee)to attend an organized event that holds the prospect of a sexual encounter, isn't then the resulting encounter cheapened?

Though it may be enjoyed there was a price to pay. Is not the person devaluing themselves through some sort of money exchange? Even if not to the direct participant(s) in the sexual act?

Not in the slightest.

I've been to nightclubs where you pay to get in, I didn't find the dancing experience shame inducing or not as good as if I'd gone somewhere that didn't charge an entry fee.

The cleaners need to be paid for, the toilet roll needs to be paid for, the staff need to be paid for as does rent/insurance on the venue I would imagine. So no, I don't feel paying entry cheapened or devalued the experiences.

P An excellent point, yes people need to be paid. The mention of shame inducing is not the point here at all. It's more along the lines of whether money involved in a sexual or potential sexual encounter values it or devalues it. "

Course it doesn't devalue it if you're meeting in a club or at a organised social etc. I'm paying for the venue not the people.

Travel costs money, it all costs money to at least 1 person in the encounter, even if it's soap to wash their danglies in.

So no, I don't think money matters. You do what you're comfortable doing.

I have been humbled by the expense people have gone to to spend time with me, but that's to spend time with ME... and if my vagina gets involved too it's a bonus.

P

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"The experience of sex with no payment for services rendered is liberating.

Those that pay for sex, or for the hope of it, have no idea!

If money is involved and actually pre-eminent in the transaction (even when not specifically expressed) then surely by definition that sexual experience is cheapened?

Discuss.

Can it really be cheapened if it's more expensive? If something cannot be had without the exchange of money doesn't that in fact make the thing bought secondary in the eyes of the seller? It may be a close second I admit! Of course the value put on the exchange by the buyer may be different."

If something is only worth the money you paid for it then it is cheap..

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By *irty desireWoman
over a year ago

newcatle


"My opinion is that if you feel that paying an entrance fee or paying for dinner is in some way paying for sex (if that's the end result) then it's your mind set that cheapens the act rather than the payment."

This

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We prefer to go to a swingers club and happy to pay the entrance fee. Does this mean we have low self worth or think similarly of others....absolutely not. We go because it's enjoyable and separating that from other things you pay for, meals out etc as others have mentioned, is just trying to justify the argument. We are happy with the way we do things and that isn't going to change."
Thanks for your comment.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The experience of sex with no payment for services rendered is liberating.

Those that pay for sex, or for the hope of it, have no idea!

If money is involved and actually pre-eminent in the transaction (even when not specifically expressed) then surely by definition that sexual experience is cheapened?

Discuss.

Can it really be cheapened if it's more expensive? If something cannot be had without the exchange of money doesn't that in fact make the thing bought secondary in the eyes of the seller? It may be a close second I admit! Of course the value put on the exchange by the buyer may be different.

If something is only worth the money you paid for it then it is cheap.. "

Or value for money?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"People have many ways to try to hold others under their spell or transact such that sex is gained "
An interesting comment!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It certainly is different. Having tried both, paid sex is the purest form of sex. Just two bodies doing what comes naturally without any emotional clat-trap.

One body is doing what comes naturally you mean. For the other, it's not natural attraction or the desire to mate that drives them, so it's actually quite unnatural?

B"

An interesting answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very wordy question which I don't really understand lol,

If you're asking is paid sex better than unpaid sex it defo is.

As you're paying you can request whatever you want and live out any fantasy

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Very wordy question which I don't really understand lol,

If you're asking is paid sex better than unpaid sex it defo is.

As you're paying you can request whatever you want and live out any fantasy "

How much are you spending!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Very wordy question which I don't really understand lol,

If you're asking is paid sex better than unpaid sex it defo is.

As you're paying you can request whatever you want and live out any fantasy How much are you spending!!"

40 an hour mate

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By *hillboyMan
over a year ago

manchester

im 33 and I’ve always had to pay for excorts I’ve never had sex where I haven’t paid them and it horrible I know but saying that I would rather sleep with someone I find attractive than sleeping with someone I have to make do with and if i waited for to meet someone that I find attractive who wants to have sex with me I might as well have been a virgin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t see the issue with paying for sex tbh.

We have discussed it before as a guaranteed way of getting a 3some with someone we both find attractive...

We get to live out a fantasy, she gets paid (and hopefully enjoys herself at the time!!).. all parties happy what’s the issue?!

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple
over a year ago

kent


"My opinion is that if you feel that paying an entrance fee or paying for dinner is in some way paying for sex (if that's the end result) then it's your mind set that cheapens the act rather than the payment."

This

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

So am I thinking your talking about an escort experience?

So a guy picks me up for a meal, an hour or two for the meal, then he drives me home. Am I expected because he's 'paid' for me, put out.

Not sure which is cheap?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I miss HL.....

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By *ilsaGeorgeCouple
over a year ago

kent

I could never pay anyone for sex. The fact of a transaction would make the encounter fake. Knowing the only reason this person is having sex with me is for money would turn me off immediately. I’d rather tug one out for free and buy some more books.

Paying an entrance fee for a club is not remotely the same. The fee covers the insurance, the rent on the building, the staff wages. You are not paying for sex.

As for taking someone out and buying someone dinner, it’s called generosity, kindness, having a laugh. If you expect something in return then you’ve totality missed the point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If cheapened means degraded, then it's probably what the sub wishes to get from the Dom. So the payment would be appropriate.

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