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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks...

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Your going there again.... really ?

We get you don’t like London, think it’s unsafe, don’t want to travel here - great

But stop trashing a great city. Those of us that live here, as been said before feel perfectly safe !

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

You asked for stats. You got stats

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"You asked for stats. You got stats "

What’s the numbers in other cities? Not much lower I’d imagine.. good try tho..

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

So what’s your source ?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"So what’s your source ? "

Read my message.. source there

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

And civilians?

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By *heplayerMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

There is danger all over the world , good and bad every where , in Afghanistan the soldiers are trained to avoid death in London or other none war city s we are not , London is an amazing city a place we should be proud of ! Don’t let minority’s spoil it .

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Tony Blair gave a speech this week to the The Institute of Government. It's on you tube.

He said that it's quicker to go by train to Paris than Newcastle..

Not from Sunderland it's not..

Londoncentric on his part...

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I never said I did not like London. I just don't feel safe going there..

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"And civilians?"

that is a great point

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

101 killed and how many stabbed who survived.. ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks... "

And how many Afghans died in that same period? How could you compare any part of uk to safety in the Afghan?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"And civilians?

that is a great point

A fair comparison, if we're going to compare London to a war zone would be to compare the number of soldiers stabbed to death in both places and the number of civilians stabbed to death in both places.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"I never said I did not like London. I just don't feel safe going there.. "

Do you avoid every city? Because the rate in London is no higher to most..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

London is the biggest UK city so it’s only logical to assume crime rates will be higher there.

Stabbings are happening everywhere though, it’s not just a London issue in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And civilians?

that is a great point

You said it in better words than me. That’s what I meant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I never said I did not like London. I just don't feel safe going there.. "

Don’t go there then?

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"And civilians?

that is a great point

I think so

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I won't go there..

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"So what’s your source ?

Read my message.. source there "

Copy the page link here from gov.uk

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Google is your friend.. I am not your secretary..

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I won't go there.. "

I think quite a few people are afraid to go to London or any big city. There are parts of Hastings I would avoid to be honest.

I think what has caused the arguments is your comparison to Afghanistan.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I won't go there..

I think quite a few people are afraid to go to London or any big city. There are parts of Hastings I would avoid to be honest.

I think what has caused the arguments is your comparison to Afghanistan."

I am comparing the stats..

You interpret them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Google is your friend.. I am not your secretary..

You may not be the secretary but you are the one typing these statements out, so the onus is on you to provide the source.

Unless of course the source isn’t written exactly as you’ve written it here.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

OP. I'd have understood your point if you lived in London but you are in Essex.

What's the knife crime level where you actually live?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Google is your friend.. I am not your secretary..

You may not be the secretary but you are the one typing these statements out, so the onus is on you to provide the source.

Unless of course the source isn’t written exactly as you’ve written it here. "

I have given my source

Gov.uk

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Google is your friend.. I am not your secretary..

You are the one making the stat claims, back it up !

I’ll give you a stat ..... yesterday sadly a 15 year old lost his life in London from stabbing.... he was the 93rd homicide in the capital this year

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Google is your friend.. I am not your secretary..

You are the one making the stat claims, back it up !

I’ll give you a stat ..... yesterday sadly a 15 year old lost his life in London from stabbing.... he was the 93rd homicide in the capital this year "

Papers claiming it's the 101st this year.. not arguing your source

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By *izzymonkeyMan
over a year ago

Hiding In A Bush

https://www.gov.uk/government/fields-of-operation/afghanistan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks... "

What's the stats on civilians killed in Afghanistan between that period?

Crime/murder happens all over the Country. It doesn't make them similar to war zones. Just the times we live in, sadly.

Holly

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It is really not that difficult. Google Gov.uk

Put Afghanistan deaths in the search box ..

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"Tony Blair gave a speech this week to the The Institute of Government. It's on you tube.

He said that it's quicker to go by train to Paris than Newcastle..

Not from Sunderland it's not..

Londoncentric on his part...

Also quicker for someone to go from Newcastle to Glasgow as it is Newcastle to London..

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Google is your friend.. I am not your secretary..

You are the one making the stat claims, back it up !

I’ll give you a stat ..... yesterday sadly a 15 year old lost his life in London from stabbing.... he was the 93rd homicide in the capital this year

Papers claiming it's the 101st this year.. not arguing your source"

So it’s not gov.uk that you got the figures from but the press....

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By *izzymonkeyMan
over a year ago

Hiding In A Bush

"https://www.gov.uk/government/fields-of-operation/afghanistan"

spurs....

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Google is your friend.. I am not your secretary..

You are the one making the stat claims, back it up !

I’ll give you a stat ..... yesterday sadly a 15 year old lost his life in London from stabbing.... he was the 93rd homicide in the capital this year

Papers claiming it's the 101st this year.. not arguing your source

So it’s not gov.uk that you got the figures from but the press...."

My figures are from the government website

It's gov.uk..

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"It is really not that difficult. Google Gov.uk

Put Afghanistan deaths in the search box .."

That is for the forces fatalities, but where is your source of official stats the knife crime ?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"https://www.gov.uk/government/fields-of-operation/afghanistan

spurs....

Thanks I know that page, lists every UK forces fatality from the Afghan war

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures"

So as I’ve said already your stats are not official stats. just numbers quoted from the press, who are not the most factual at the best of times, and definitely not from gov.uk

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I won't go there..

I think quite a few people are afraid to go to London or any big city. There are parts of Hastings I would avoid to be honest.

I think what has caused the arguments is your comparison to Afghanistan.

I am comparing the stats..

You interpret them

You are comparing stats for soldiers deaths in a war zone against civilian deaths in a non war zone. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"https://www.gov.uk/government/fields-of-operation/afghanistan

spurs....

Thanks I know that page, lists every UK forces fatality from the Afghan war "

I only quoted the battle casualties and not those who died from other causes

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By *aughtyNipplesWoman
over a year ago

newport, shrops

"https://www.gov.uk/government/fields-of-operation/afghanistan

spurs....

Here's the secretary for us

ha ha

Well done

Seems the OP has a major case of the over-generalising thinking bias...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures"

With all due respect OP the comparison is disrespectful to the lads that have been sent to Afghan.

My friends son is an Afghan veteran and suffers from ptsd since his return. Keeps getting in trouble with the police because of the horrors he saw there.

Please be sensitive when making these comparisons. I’ve never been to war but can only imagine what those soldiers and civilians have been through.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I won't go there..

I think quite a few people are afraid to go to London or any big city. There are parts of Hastings I would avoid to be honest.

I think what has caused the arguments is your comparison to Afghanistan.

I am comparing the stats..

You interpret them

You are comparing stats for soldiers deaths in a war zone against civilian deaths in a non war zone. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny"

Confused.com

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

With all due respect OP the comparison is disrespectful to the lads that have been sent to Afghan.

My friends son is an Afghan veteran and suffers from ptsd since his return. Keeps getting in trouble with the police because of the horrors he saw there.

Please be sensitive when making these comparisons. I’ve never been to war but can only imagine what those soldiers and civilians have been through. "

Why is that disrespectful?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

So as I’ve said already your stats are not official stats. just numbers quoted from the press, who are not the most factual at the best of times, and definitely not from gov.uk "

They are your stats.. 93 you said

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I won't go there..

I think quite a few people are afraid to go to London or any big city. There are parts of Hastings I would avoid to be honest.

I think what has caused the arguments is your comparison to Afghanistan.

I am comparing the stats..

You interpret them

You are comparing stats for soldiers deaths in a war zone against civilian deaths in a non war zone. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny

Confused.com"

It's quite simple. For the comparison to have any substance it should at least be measuring civilian deaths in one city in Afghanistan lets say Kabul against civilian deaths in London over the same period. If the two figures are similar then we can say that London is a war zone

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I stand corrected then

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

With all due respect OP the comparison is disrespectful to the lads that have been sent to Afghan.

My friends son is an Afghan veteran and suffers from ptsd since his return. Keeps getting in trouble with the police because of the horrors he saw there.

Please be sensitive when making these comparisons. I’ve never been to war but can only imagine what those soldiers and civilians have been through.

Why is that disrespectful?"

It is disrespectful. Put it this way, no doubt any family which has had to endure either a lost or severely injured member due to knife crime is bad enough.

But for those armed forces personnel who have endured far more not just on the front line of battle, but relived what they went through since is a different scenario.

I've worked alongside ex-squaddies and hearing them relive their memories etc, would make you shudder.

The two environments are utterly different.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

So as I’ve said already your stats are not official stats. just numbers quoted from the press, who are not the most factual at the best of times, and definitely not from gov.uk

They are your stats.. 93 you said"

We are not on about the number but quoted

Twice now you’ve made a statement about knife crime in London and failed to provide accurate information

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

With all due respect OP the comparison is disrespectful to the lads that have been sent to Afghan.

My friends son is an Afghan veteran and suffers from ptsd since his return. Keeps getting in trouble with the police because of the horrors he saw there.

Please be sensitive when making these comparisons. I’ve never been to war but can only imagine what those soldiers and civilians have been through.

Why is that disrespectful?"

Because the comparison is not correct. London is not a war zone. It is a home to the millions who live here with minimal risk compared to Afghanistan.

The soldiers sacrificed a lot to go there. They have faced the ultimate fear, something that I doubt you have ever done.

Im just saying be careful as there are war veterans on this forum who would be very sad to see you making this type of comparison.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

With all due respect OP the comparison is disrespectful to the lads that have been sent to Afghan.

My friends son is an Afghan veteran and suffers from ptsd since his return. Keeps getting in trouble with the police because of the horrors he saw there.

Please be sensitive when making these comparisons. I’ve never been to war but can only imagine what those soldiers and civilians have been through.

Why is that disrespectful?

It is disrespectful. Put it this way, no doubt any family which has had to endure either a lost or severely injured member due to knife crime is bad enough.

But for those armed forces personnel who have endured far more not just on the front line of battle, but relived what they went through since is a different scenario.

I've worked alongside ex-squaddies and hearing them relive their memories etc, would make you shudder.

The two environments are utterly different."

And the grief to parents equal I imagine..

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

With all due respect OP the comparison is disrespectful to the lads that have been sent to Afghan.

My friends son is an Afghan veteran and suffers from ptsd since his return. Keeps getting in trouble with the police because of the horrors he saw there.

Please be sensitive when making these comparisons. I’ve never been to war but can only imagine what those soldiers and civilians have been through.

Why is that disrespectful?

Because the comparison is not correct. London is not a war zone. It is a home to the millions who live here with minimal risk compared to Afghanistan.

The soldiers sacrificed a lot to go there. They have faced the ultimate fear, something that I doubt you have ever done.

Im just saying be careful as there are war veterans on this forum who would be very sad to see you making this type of comparison. "

I believe the op served in the armed forces if I remember correctly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very very sensitive subject.

Knife crime is destroying the lives of too many young people (and their families) throughout the country.

Likewise the families of those losing sons/daughters due to combat.

There is 1 significant differential though..

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

With all due respect OP the comparison is disrespectful to the lads that have been sent to Afghan.

My friends son is an Afghan veteran and suffers from ptsd since his return. Keeps getting in trouble with the police because of the horrors he saw there.

Please be sensitive when making these comparisons. I’ve never been to war but can only imagine what those soldiers and civilians have been through.

Why is that disrespectful?

Because the comparison is not correct. London is not a war zone. It is a home to the millions who live here with minimal risk compared to Afghanistan.

The soldiers sacrificed a lot to go there. They have faced the ultimate fear, something that I doubt you have ever done.

Im just saying be careful as there are war veterans on this forum who would be very sad to see you making this type of comparison. "

As a forces kid, and a friend to many that have served and suffer still from what they saw and endured (and still do) there is absolutely no comparison !

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Knife crime is a growing epidemic ,as said due to the size of London and population it's naturally going to have higher figures.

Unfortunately for the most part seems driven by fear, drug's,gang culture and probably a dozen other things.

London has never been a safe place to live knife crime has always been there, shit back in the 80's I got threatened in the street by a guy with a hatchet, been threatened with various knives,mate was chased by a gang of machete wielding nutter's.

I was beaten to the point of hospitalisation and had several broken bones just because I was a white kid with different coloured friends.

So it's always been dangerous.

But most high streets up and down the country turn into warzones when the pub's and club's turn out.

Small town's try to play keep up with big cities and gang's try to prove they are just as tough.

Knife crime is awful and it's a shocking thing.

But you can't go through your life so scared to go anywhere.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

With all due respect OP the comparison is disrespectful to the lads that have been sent to Afghan.

My friends son is an Afghan veteran and suffers from ptsd since his return. Keeps getting in trouble with the police because of the horrors he saw there.

Please be sensitive when making these comparisons. I’ve never been to war but can only imagine what those soldiers and civilians have been through.

Why is that disrespectful?

Because the comparison is not correct. London is not a war zone. It is a home to the millions who live here with minimal risk compared to Afghanistan.

The soldiers sacrificed a lot to go there. They have faced the ultimate fear, something that I doubt you have ever done.

Im just saying be careful as there are war veterans on this forum who would be very sad to see you making this type of comparison.

As a forces kid, and a friend to many that have served and suffer still from what they saw and endured (and still do) there is absolutely no comparison !

With ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Knife crime is a growing epidemic ,as said due to the size of London and population it's naturally going to have higher figures.

Unfortunately for the most part seems driven by fear, drug's,gang culture and probably a dozen other things.

I was beaten to the point of hospitalisation and had several broken bones just because I was a white kid with different coloured friends.

So it's always been dangerous.

But most high streets up and down the country turn into warzones when the pub's and club's turn out.

Small town's try to play keep up with big cities and gang's try to prove they are just as tough.

Knife crime is awful and it's a shocking thing.

But you can't go through your life so scared to go anywhere."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

With all due respect OP the comparison is disrespectful to the lads that have been sent to Afghan.

My friends son is an Afghan veteran and suffers from ptsd since his return. Keeps getting in trouble with the police because of the horrors he saw there.

Please be sensitive when making these comparisons. I’ve never been to war but can only imagine what those soldiers and civilians have been through.

Why is that disrespectful?

It is disrespectful. Put it this way, no doubt any family which has had to endure either a lost or severely injured member due to knife crime is bad enough.

But for those armed forces personnel who have endured far more not just on the front line of battle, but relived what they went through since is a different scenario.

I've worked alongside ex-squaddies and hearing them relive their memories etc, would make you shudder.

The two environments are utterly different.

And the grief to parents equal I imagine..

But why the need to compare???

Yes knife crime is a problem in London as in other places but comparing to Afghanistan is belittling the sacrifice of soldiers in order to make a political statement about London being unsafe. There is no need. Tell us how you think we can solve the knife crime rather than needless comparisons OP.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I do not belittle the sacrice of soldiers. I was one. Read the thread on war memorials.

Is a mother's loss greater if her son was a soldier or a student?

Both equally as tragic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP - your main point was:

1- London is unsafe.

But although London is dangerous it is not as dangerous as Afghanistan, not even close.

So yes it is disrespectful to the Vet community (of which you are one), because they risked everything and went to a very dangerous place and you are compared it to a less dangerous place like London.

I’m simply saying be thoughtful of Veterans who may read such posts and feel devalued.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Ever heard of the phrase "lies, lies and damn statistics" OP? Because you really should - you're trying to prove a point using two completely different statistics and comparing apples with oranges by doing so!!

There's no doubt knife crime *is* a problem but it does *not* mean London is not safe nor does it mean it is a war zone - a war zone would mean that everyone, men, women and children, civilians and servicemen alike were in imminent danger of losing their lives at any given moment and that patently is not the case for the overwhelming majority of the 14 million people who live and work in London every day.

I travel to London regularly and have done for most of my life and I feel no less safe today than I did 40 or more years ago.

Yes there are areas I'd steer clear of but they were there 40 years and more ago - and they exist in every major city in the world.

If you don't like London, fine, if you don't want to visit it, just as fine - but please quit with the Trump-ist fake news stories that have no substance or bearing on reality.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"OP - your main point was:

1- London is unsafe.

But although London is dangerous it is not as dangerous as Afghanistan, not even close.

I’m simply saying be thoughtful of Veterans who may read such posts and feel devalued. "

Fair play

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Ever heard of the phrase "lies, lies and damn statistics" OP? Because you really should - you're trying to prove a point using two completely different statistics and comparing apples with oranges by doing so!!

I travel to London regularly and have done for most of my life and I feel no less safe today than I did 40 or more years ago.

Yes there are areas I'd steer clear of but they were there 40 years and more ago - and they exist in every major city in the world.

If you don't like London, fine, if you don't want to visit it, just as fine - but please quit with the Trump-ist fake news stories that have no substance or bearing on reality."

Yrumpist fake news.. ?

So 100 people have not been fatally stabbed this year...

Really...

Guardian of the forums you are not Sir..

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

I travel to London regularly and have done for most of my life and I feel no less safe today than I did 40 or more years ago.

Yes there are areas I'd steer clear of but they were there 40 years and more ago - and they exist in every major city in the world.

If you don't like London, fine, if you don't want to visit it, just as fine - but please quit with the Trump-ist fake news stories that have no substance or bearing on reality.

Yrumpist fake news.. ?

So 100 people have not been fatally stabbed this year...

Really...

Guardian of the forums you are not Sir.. "

You are using two completely different situations and trying to compare them, it doesn't work.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I will concede the war zone comparison..

But I don't feel safe there and no longer visit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s very late and I think we’ve debated the matter enough now. Let’s put it to bed people.

But I do think veteran care in this country is often a joke and needs to be highlighted much more. Many of them are given a final pay and no support to get their lives back on track so they end up blowing the money with no guidance etc.

Once a country sends a soldier to war they should be prepared to support them as long as needed. Not just money but actual specialist care!!

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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks... "

It seems whatever happens, certain meats are going to behave like certain meats.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"It’s very late and I think we’ve debated the matter enough now. Let’s put it to bed people.

Once a country sends a soldier to war they should be prepared to support them as long as needed. Not just money but actual specialist care!!

Fair play

Snooze time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You asked for stats. You got stats "

You gave figures, not statistics. Let's look at statistics.

By your numbers, the likelihood of you being stabbed to death in London this year is 0.0012%. Actually far less as the population swells during the work day.

You're 7 times more likely to get shot in New York than stabbed to death in London.

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

I spend more time in London than I do where I live.

I've never felt unsafe.

I've spent plenty of time in actual war zones, where people are really trying to kill you on a daily basis.

As I said on your other thread, London is not a war zone. It doesn't come close.

You said you've served and listed some of your tours. You must read the fallacy of your own statement, surely...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks... "

Told off? You mean people questioned your posts and refused to agree with unsubstantiated rhetoric. And this thread and the very selective use of statistics is just a continuation of that rhetoric

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By *lex D.Man
over a year ago

London

"Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks... "

Loooks like I'm going into a war zone tonight. Not for the weak hearted I suppose, stay entertained in Chelmsford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the comparison wasn’t the best.

But put down your PC hats and you can’t deny London has a huge knife violence problem which is getting worse.

Most people will be unaffected and mostly safe, but gang violence is starting to get out of control and there’s large areas of London I wouldn’t want to walk around in during the day let alone night.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks...

Told off? You mean people questioned your posts and refused to agree with unsubstantiated rhetoric. And this thread and the very selective use of statistics is just a continuation of that rhetoric

Told off as in suspended by admin..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And Essex is the Garden of Eden?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks...

Told off? You mean people questioned your posts and refused to agree with unsubstantiated rhetoric. And this thread and the very selective use of statistics is just a continuation of that rhetoric

Told off as in suspended by admin..

I doubt that the reason you were suspended was because of the nature of the thread.

Also you might want to delete that as if you check the forum rules you'll see that talking about time outs leads too another time out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I never said I did not like London. I just don't feel safe going there.. "

Omg please don't come down here! People get murdered in Cornwall too (and stabbed)

You forgot to include beatings, shootings, abuse, car accidents and just plain old accidents ...

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

Yes knife crime has increased but London is still a very safe city especially when compared with other big cities.

When throwing those statistics about, the population size has to be accounted for. There are 9 million of us living here so the gross number of crime must be expected to be higher than elsewhere in UK.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Told off as in suspended by admin..

I doubt that the reason you were suspended was because of the nature of the thread.

Also you might want to delete that as if you check the forum rules you'll see that talking about time outs leads too another time out

Many thanks.. good advice..

Did not realise..

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

Right...

You've called London a war zone

You've given stats for soldiers killed in Afghan V people stabbed in London

But more than our own soldiers have died in Afghan, there's casualties on both sides plus the civilian count.

If you want to use facts, stats, then give the full count of all people killed in that war zone.

Otherwise, all I see is someone who can't let something drop, trying to prove his point with skewed, innacurate data

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

I travel to London regularly and have done for most of my life and I feel no less safe today than I did 40 or more years ago.

Yes there are areas I'd steer clear of but they were there 40 years and more ago - and they exist in every major city in the world.

If you don't like London, fine, if you don't want to visit it, just as fine - but please quit with the Trump-ist fake news stories that have no substance or bearing on reality.

Trumpist fake news.. ?

So 100 people have not been fatally stabbed this year...

Really...

Guardian of the forums you are not Sir.. "

Yes Trumpist fake news - that idiot suggested London and other British cities were unsafe too

If you actually read my post I didn't deny knife crime was a problem - although your figures, as shown on this thread and my own research are inaccurate and of course *any* death due to mindless violence is a death too many - but your "statistics" and attempts to compare them as a way of proving an inaccurate point amount to fake news indeed.

To use another statistic - 64 people were killed in road accidents in London to July 2019 - does that mean London's roads are a death trap and should be avoided at all costs?

As I said, you don't feel safe in London and won't go there as a result, absolutely fine, no-one is forcing you to go, but me and millions of others will continue to do so, and do so safely in the knowledge that the chances of being stabbed or coming to any kind of harm are minimal

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Sky news says 101 this year

You say 93..

Happy to go with your figures

So as I’ve said already your stats are not official stats. just numbers quoted from the press, who are not the most factual at the best of times, and definitely not from gov.uk

They are your stats.. 93 you said

We are not on about the number but quoted

Twice now you’ve made a statement about knife crime in London and failed to provide accurate information "

Have you got official information for your 93?

101/ 93....both figures are high and not far from each other so I can't understand the nitpicking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks... "

Some damning stats there tbf...Still there's silver linings present in every rain cloud and at least it means that you managed to get your new property in the suburbs of Kandahar at a snip in your scramble to get further away from the war-torn No Man's land that is our capital.

Oh wait, you haven't? Why not, don't you realise that every day's delay is just another day of running the gauntlet of hostile violence in London, playing 5 card stud with the highest stakes of all; your very LIFE??

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Although I don't think mentioning the forces is disrespectful, your comparison is not the same

I can't see how anyone can deny that knife crime is worrying, I also can't imagine anyone who would feel safe in every part of every city either. There are problems that shouldn't be brushed under the carpet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

London has HUGE problems at the moment with gang violence / knife crime. Why are people trying to brush it under the carpet?

The war zone analogy wasn’t great but London is turning into more of a shithole every day (as are other cities including Brum), in that respect the OP is right.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

OK... don't attack a poster when you post. You don't get a ban for disagreeing with another user, it is for how you typed that disagreement. Never discuss your bans on the forum

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"London has HUGE problems at the moment with gang violence / knife crime. Why are people trying to brush it under the carpet?

The war zone analogy wasn’t great but London is turning into more of a shithole every day (as are other cities including Brum), in that respect the OP is right."

I don't think anyone is trying to say it isn't an issue, we hear all the time about attacks and yes, it's scary but you cannot live your life hiding from what might happen, you have to carry on doing your own thing and get on with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1770 people were killed in road accidents, in 2018, best stay indoors OP!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"London has HUGE problems at the moment with gang violence / knife crime. Why are people trying to brush it under the carpet?

The war zone analogy wasn’t great but London is turning into more of a shithole every day (as are other cities including Brum), in that respect the OP is right."

I’ve lived in Birmingham and I currently live in London. I’ve never felt unsafe in either cities. Probably because I regularly go to places like Joburg and Nigeria, parts of the US that can be pretty dodgy etc. You can’t even compare it to some parts of the world. Only worry I have today waking up in London is being attacker by the local cat or fox outside my house.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reality is that a large part of the knife crime in the UK is related to drug dealing. You can't start to tackle the problem when you start with the knife crime, you need to get to the reason behind it.

The total numbers quoted include terrorist acts and domestic crime too which masks the true scale of the problem.

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By *oney to the beeWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

"Between 2001 and 2015

405 soldiers were killed by hostile forces in Afghanistan.

(Source Gov.uk)

In 2019 so far, 101 people have been stabbed to death in London.

For saying that London was like a war zone I have been told off..

At the current rate.. 1500 people will be stabbed to death in London over a 15 year period... safer in Afghanistan methinks... "

Far from how many thousands of Afghanistan people died they are humans too you know.

This just goes to show you can manipulate figures to fit your message.

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By *DreamOfGenieWoman
over a year ago

London

"New York had more than double the number of homicides in London in 2018, even though killings in the UK capital hit a 10-year high.

The US city recorded 289 killings last year — a fall of one per cent on the previous year — while London had 134, a rise of 10 per cent on 2017"

Approx. populations in 2018:

New York 8.4m

London 8.85m

Source:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/new-york-killings-fall-but-are-still-double-the-number-of-london-a4035626.html

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By *ryst In IsoldeWoman
over a year ago

your imagination

In a city of almost 8.8 million, I don't find 101 deaths in 8 months to be worthy of calling somewhere a war-zone. Its shameful that anyone's life is taken, anywhere, by anyone, but according to the CSO, there were 77 homicides in Ireland in 2018, an entire country of just 4.4 million people. About the same rate as London, but with half the population!

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