FabSwingers.com forum: Toll Roads?? Scam Alert!!

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I just had a quick look around the net and found that the government collects over £6 Billion for road tax and over £27 Billion for fuel duty a year.

That's a total that exceeds £33 billion every single year

and that figure doesn't even include VAT or to put it another way the 30 million UK motorists pay on average £1100 a year to the government already.

I'm convinced toll roads are a massive con for private firms owned by rich friends of those in power to line their pockets from British motorists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tell us something we don't know.

At least Dick Turpin stuck a gun in your face when he robbed you, not like the gutter snipe shit heaps that rob us all blind and call themselves a government!!

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Yeah and Dick Turpin was a little bit sexy too

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Yeah and Dick Turpin was a little bit sexy too

Would he have been as sexy if he was called James Turpin?

I wonder.

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By *nJ_NW_cplCouple
over a year ago

wirral

I'd like to know who told the government that they own the roads. We pay for them so we own them. How can they sell something that isnt thiers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah and Dick Turpin was a little bit sexy too

Would he have been as sexy if he was called James Turpin?

I wonder."

How flippin' sexy was his female sidekick, Betty?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Welcome to Tory Britain where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the government spends just 9 billion of the revenue it gets from the roads so just where does the other 25 billion go answers on a postcard

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Yeah and Dick Turpin was a little bit sexy too

Would he have been as sexy if he was called James Turpin?

I wonder.

How flippin' sexy was his female sidekick, Betty?

Not remotely sexy at all.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Just a thought.

When everyone has done knocking the Government for levying and collecting taxes, just where do you think they should make savings in the £750bn, they spend each year on things like :

Health, Pensions, Education, etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah and Dick Turpin was a little bit sexy too

Would he have been as sexy if he was called James Turpin?

I wonder.

How flippin' sexy was his female sidekick, Betty?

Not remotely sexy at all.

Oi! Leave my sexy remote out of this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a thought.

When everyone has done knocking the Government for levying and collecting taxes, just where do you think they should make savings in the £750bn, they spend each year on things like :

Health, Pensions, Education, etc"

I can't answer. The question is way too serious for my levels of intellect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop voting Lab/libs/cons...simple.

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

Just a thought.

When everyone has done knocking the Government for levying and collecting taxes, just where do you think they should make savings in the £750bn, they spend each year on things like :

Health, Pensions, Education, etc"

They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Just a thought.

When everyone has done knocking the Government for levying and collecting taxes, just where do you think they should make savings in the £750bn, they spend each year on things like :

Health, Pensions, Education, etc

They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start"

+2 ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they could stop giving x amount of billions to other countries too hell we even give aid to countries wealthier than ours

.charity begins at home but in the uk and camormorons big society he slashes the funds to charity organisations

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By *anofsamCouple
over a year ago

Overseas

This has been on the cards for years. Anybody know anyone caught by an average speed camera? I don't and I reckon they are really being used to test road toll software.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the government spends just 9 billion of the revenue it gets from the roads so just where does the other 25 billion go answers on a postcard

Probably to bail out Greece ....

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

I'll give up work, and set up at home - tolls on the M27 would cripple me.

As for defence, compare it the NHS and it's a drop in the ocean. Despite what you hear on TV, the armed forces employ a fraction on what some major companies employ. Civil servants out number rats though, I'm sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This has been on the cards for years. Anybody know anyone caught by an average speed camera? I don't and I reckon they are really being used to test road toll software."

Sorry I literally LOL'd at that. {Plenty of people get done by the average speed cameras.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they could stop giving x amount of billions to other countries too hell we even give aid to countries wealthier than ours

.charity begins at home but in the uk and camormorons big society he slashes the funds to charity organisations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the government spends just 9 billion of the revenue it gets from the roads so just where does the other 25 billion go answers on a postcard

What do you think pays for the Benefits bill? Or the NHS? Or Defense of the Realm? None of these things are self financing so the money to pay for them has to come from elsewhere.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Yeah and Dick Turpin was a little bit sexy too

Would he have been as sexy if he was called James Turpin?

I wonder."

Don't you mean Turnip

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This has been on the cards for years. Anybody know anyone caught by an average speed camera? I don't and I reckon they are really being used to test road toll software."

The A1 roadworks at Dishforth has them. GRRRR

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at it this way, the way the price of petrol is rising, soon we wont need new roads.

Few will be able to afford to run their cars and the ones that do will doubtless be those who own luxury 4x4's (who wont need to worry about the state of the roads!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start"

Sure we could. Then we'd have a standing army that never does anything so the next natural progression would be to get rid of it and save even more money at which point we'll be vulnerable to anyone who wants to take anything from us knowing we can't fight back as we no longer have an army.

You can't have an army that never fights.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

Thing that really p*sses me off is that these tolls will be bound for foriegn owners, just like both of the Severn Bridge crossings, both apparently run by French Companies. And the old Severn Bridge was supposed to have been paid for and free to use years ago!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thing that really p*sses me off is that these tolls will be bound for foriegn owners, just like both of the Severn Bridge crossings, both apparently run by French Companies. And the old Severn Bridge was supposed to have been paid for and free to use years ago!

If the roads are owned by foreign companies, will you only be able to drive on them with Continental tyres?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start

You can't have an army that never fights."
what like the swiss. and the scandanavian countrys or the French the Germans and the Italians they have large standing armed forces that don't fight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

welcome guys and girls to tory britian.Now before i say another word i have always suported labour,not that they did a great job either ,but there you go . In the past when a topic has been spoke about on hear concerning the tory party,i have noticed there has been a huge support for them ,usaly by the i am all right jack troop ,some even going as far as saying that ,great instatuations like the NHS should be wound up ,and every one should make provision for there own health care .Now how wrong is that .If you can afford you get ,if you cant you dont ,what a greedy sociaty we have became .As for the roads as someone pointed out ,they will go down the way of other public utilitys handed over to some privit company owned by some people who are suporters of the tory party public school educated and already thilthy rich,whos company is only interested in profit .Just take a look at other things that have been sold from under the british publics feet ,have the service and performance of thiese companys inproved ,NO. has there profits soerd .YES. at our the british public expence ,and i dont think if the roads are sold that they will be any diferent. All those who care stand up and be counted wright speak shout from the roof tops stop this hapening ,its not theres to sell its ours ,who is cameron and his eton boys trying to fool,handing over our property to the already ritch few .And no doubt i will get a time out for my socialist opinions again as before. but there you go for free speach

Cheers guys and girls

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

just hope this lot dont here of the new car tax system in italy

ANY car over 125bhp incurs a yearly tax of 20 euro per bhp extra

so that means your 130bhp tdi audi would cost an extra £100 a year to tax

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By *uslaffMan
over a year ago

manchester

"welcome guys and girls to tory britian.Now before i say another word i have always suported labour,not that they did a great job either ,but there you go . In the past when a topic has been spoke about on hear concerning the tory party,i have noticed there has been a huge support for them ,usaly by the i am all right jack troop ,some even going as far as saying that ,great instatuations like the NHS should be wound up ,and every one should make provision for there own health care .Now how wrong is that .If you can afford you get ,if you cant you dont ,what a greedy sociaty we have became .As for the roads as someone pointed out ,they will go down the way of other public utilitys handed over to some privit company owned by some people who are suporters of the tory party public school educated and already thilthy rich,whos company is only interested in profit .Just take a look at other things that have been sold from under the british publics feet ,have the service and performance of thiese companys inproved ,NO. has there profits soerd .YES. at our the british public expence ,and i dont think if the roads are sold that they will be any diferent. All those who care stand up and be counted wright speak shout from the roof tops stop this hapening ,its not theres to sell its ours ,who is cameron and his eton boys trying to fool,handing over our property to the already ritch few .And no doubt i will get a time out for my socialist opinions again as before. but there you go for free speach

Cheers guys and girls"

They definitely need to spend more on education !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start

You can't have an army that never fights.

what like the swiss. and the scandanavian countrys or the French the Germans and the Italians they have large standing armed forces that don't fight "

The French have more troops committed abroad than we do. As for the Swiss, come on, who'd want them standing next to you in trench, great for Alpine warfare though, good at snowball throwing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i agree with wishy ,and justlaff ,schools need the cash ,however can you see this tory party not selling off the schools to the highest bidder ,it will come,trust me ,every thing will be in the hands of the rich few ,and the rest of us mugs will have to pay for it ,unless you have can afford a cleaver acountant,,which in the past it has been ok for some to dodge tax and not for the rest . One rule for the rich one rule for us .As for the forces we need them and if they have to go to other shores to defend the freedome or just defend us from home we cant count the cost,Note of late defence cuts have been drastic to the point of our forces being poorly equiped and under maned,but adds everywhere for men and women to join the reserve forces ,M,our lads and lassies in HM forces do a super job and long they be alowed to continue .Lets make some savings by not alowing politicians clame for second homes expencive dinners lunches drinks on us ,oh and tax dodge,whether it is labour torry or any other,or stupit waste of space scotish parlmints .I like any other dont mind paying a little more tax if we see a good sustainable public sector IE schools NHS and defence to name a few .but i am dammed if i can sit back in silience and watch this lot sell spoil or cut back just to hand huge profits to a select few

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just hope this lot dont here of the new car tax system in italy

ANY car over 125bhp incurs a yearly tax of 20 euro per bhp extra

so that means your 130bhp tdi audi would cost an extra £100 a year to tax

But lets look at it logically. We live in a country smaller than the State of Texas, with traffic cameras, average speed cameras and the Po-Po who now reclaim the revenue from speeding fines. We live in a time where (in the last 20 years) the cost of petrol / diesel has tripled.

Who needs a car over 120bhp? Chances are the only place you can do over 85mph these days is on a track day (or the M1 at 3am, as long as you avoid the speed traps).

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start

You can't have an army that never fights."

The swiss and the swedes seem to do all right

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

bugger ...missed someone else saying that ...sorry

I am cool with the 120bhp. My 4x4 only puts out 106 ...do I get a rebate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The swiss and the swedes seem to do all right"

The Swiss are unique in so much as organisations from all over the world have bank accounts with Swiss banks (even terrorists have a cash card y'know), and it's in Switzerland's and everyone else interest's to keep Switzerland neutral. Even during WW2 Switzerland was a known route for prisoner exchange if they actually made it that far. Why do you think Germany never invaded it when it would have been a simple country to overun.

As for Sweden, they do send troops out as part of a UN force but in nowhere near the numbers we and the US commit which is why you don't hear about them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone think the trains are good value? Because they were privatised and now they want to do the same with the roads.

They say there's not enough money to maintain them. Despite fuel duty, road tax and the VAT on both.

So we would be going from a Govt who we paid to maintain our roads, and who failed us, to paying for another egulator and team and any shareholders of these private companies - and history tells us this will be on top of what we pay now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a thought.

When everyone has done knocking the Government for levying and collecting taxes, just where do you think they should make savings in the £750bn, they spend each year on things like :

Health, Pensions, Education, etc

They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start

+2 ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just hope this lot dont here of the new car tax system in italy

ANY car over 125bhp incurs a yearly tax of 20 euro per bhp extra

so that means your 130bhp tdi audi would cost an extra £100 a year to tax

Who needs a car over 120bhp? Chances are the only place you can do over 85mph these days is on a track day (or the M1 at 3am, as long as you avoid the speed traps).

A pet hate of mine!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think they are just making up stupid ideas like the toll roads to get a reaction out of people, to distract them from the real things we should be worrying about. Such as the NHS reforms they are pushing through.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start

That doesn't follow at all.

Iraq and Afghanistan were not necessary campaigns and we could still have the army we have today without having fought them. No one is going to decide that just because we haven't bashed up the middle east for a bit we suddenly don't need an army.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We had an army who stood around in NIreland for years ,which was not a full scale war as such.

As for the toll roads,they won't last.

Most cars are now fitted with GPS nowadays ,soon your GPS in your car will be in direct contact with our favourite eton boys banker cartel. Who after having bought the roads for a song or most likely a nazi styled dance ,will then charge us all by the mile. motorways A roads B roads all the way down to that dirt track you use to get down to the beach .

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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago

southampto

this is usually a story that appears before real bad news, ie, the budget. by the time the budget is announced and is digested among the population, you will find the toll road will be pulled, and we will be led to think that this goveenment like all others actually listens to us, meanwhile we would have probably been shafted for an extra 1000 pound tax per year before we realise it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just had a quick look around the net and found that the government collects over £6 Billion for road tax and over £27 Billion for fuel duty a year.

That's a total that exceeds £33 billion every single year

and that figure doesn't even include VAT or to put it another way the 30 million UK motorists pay on average £1100 a year to the government already.

I'm convinced toll roads are a massive con for private firms owned by rich friends of those in power to line their pockets from British motorists.

They talk about bringing tolls to cut congestion, toll boths increase congestion not cut it.

A gripe of mine is the VAT put on fuel after the duty so that you pay 20% tax on tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a thought.

When everyone has done knocking the Government for levying and collecting taxes, just where do you think they should make savings in the £750bn, they spend each year on things like :

Health, Pensions, Education, etc

They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start

+2 ,

+3 "

Reduce foriegn aid, we send billions to would you believe- China Russia and India each year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They could stop fighting wars?

Iraq £10b

Afganistan £18b

Theres a good start

You can't have an army that never fights."

So we should fight wars just to keep in shape? How ridiculous. Who is going to invade the UK? A few missile batteries and no one is getting a ship within 100km of our coast, that's such a stupid argument I cant believe im wasting my time even replying.

The money from the tolls would go to the company operating the toll booths not to schools/NHS/MOD et al

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've had a toll road near us for years

In 1991 The Queen Elizabeth II Bridge was opened. The PFI scheme allowed DRC Ltd a 20 year concession to collect revenue, although this could be ended early once debts were repaid. Under the scheme, some parties had expected that the government of the time would scrap the toll once the debt had been repaid and a suitable maintenance fund had been accumulated,[5] which was deemed to have occurred on 31 March 2002.

Guess what? We're still paying and the charge still gets increased every now and then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we should fight wars just to keep in shape? How ridiculous. Who is going to invade the UK? "

Have you heard of The Falklands?

No big deal, you might say, but those a British men, women & children down there and they have an automatic right to protection from Argentina. How can they be offered that protection without an army trained and equipped to do it and without a navy trained and equipped to get them there?

Feel free to reply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we should fight wars just to keep in shape? How ridiculous. Who is going to invade the UK?

Have you heard of The Falklands?

Feel free to reply."

I never said to get rid of the armed forces i asserted a view that to fight wars because "you cant have an army that doesn't fight" is a ridiculous argument. Yes im aware of the Falklands, i have relatives that fought there 30 years ago but i fail to see how blowing up Iraq and Afghanistan trains our armed forces to defend the Falklands. The Navy frigate, submarine and anti-ship/air missile batteries and 1100 troops are more likely to deter Argentina and its army with 30+ year old equipment than having a large amounts of our army even further away from the Faulklands than they would be if they were in the UK with no way of getting there as we have no aircraft carriers to retake the islands if we were to loose them. So again i assert my view that your claim that we need to fight wars is ludicrous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

war is peace!

dont you get it yet excession?

Be pure,

Be vigiliant,

Behave!

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

There is a mural I saw on a wall and it stated "Imagine there is another War and nobody participated ..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well those warring nations will just go bankrupt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"war is peace!

dont you get it yet excession?

Be pure,

Be vigiliant,

Behave!"

My apologies i let my thoughtcrimes show

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So we should fight wars just to keep in shape? How ridiculous. Who is going to invade the UK?

Have you heard of The Falklands?

Feel free to reply.

sheesh! Does everything have to spelled out in black and white for you. I used the Falklands as an EXAMPLE.

Our army trains for all sorts of theatres of war. For example, they go to Norway to train for arctic warfare, and they go to Belize to train for jungle warfare etc etc., but that's beside the point. We are in Afghanistan and Iraq to support the United Nations, and our closest ally America. Where would we stand in the world if we told either of these two bodies "er, sorry, can't do this next one cos we got a few fookin pacifists kicking up a stink at home."

Or how about, when called upon for help by a peoples whose 'government' is systmatically killing it's citizens for things as trivial as listening to music, or having a dance?

Or how about when a despot is slaughtering men, women and children and the ages old mantra of "we must never let this happen again" is put out yet when it comes to the crunch a few fookin pacifists don't want to spend money to back up their big pacifist mouths and would rather have an army that does sod all except play at being soldiers.

The world is a tough place to live in and your idea of utopia doesn't, hasn't and never will exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nice attack on me there. I'm not an idiot thankyou I'm aware that our army trains all over the place for a whole variety of reasons.

When did I say I was a pacifist? When did I say we shouldn't support our allies? I didn't so don't ram dead children down my throat, the responsibility for there deaths does not lie at my feet or the feet of anyone who protested against either war they lie at the feet of those who perpetrated the violence.

There is no UN mandate for Iraq and I'm quite sure there wasn't one for Afganistan until after the US started its intervention so no wouldnt have "turned our back" on them. That the UN is never likely to agree on anything is beside the point. 1million people protested the Iraq war, that's hardly a tiny number.

I have no idea of utopia, I've never seen it and my world view of politics isn't the question here. The question here is your view that those two wars are worthwhile because it would be pointless to have an army and not use it. That the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people can be justified just to give the troops a run out. I can think of much better ways the world could have spent the hundreds of billions of $'s to help the world and none of them involve bombs.

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