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By *apeye OP Man
over a year ago

worcester

Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !

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By *apeye OP Man
over a year ago

worcester

No Vegans in then !! Lol

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By *urning the kinkMan
over a year ago

bristol

You have a point

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"No Vegans in then !! Lol"
There cant be , because they'd let you know for sure

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By *apeye OP Man
over a year ago

worcester

Any vegans care to reply ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !"
it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any vegans care to reply ??"

Give them time. The thread had only been running for 12 minutes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !"

That's a blody good question.

Also, what do vegan mothers feed newborn children?

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Vegans tend to spit before it reaches the back of the throat. Vegetarians will swallow but only if it’s on a Sunday

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By *an_LexaCouple
over a year ago

Sunderland

You could always try searching for the million and one other threads asking the same thing

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"You could always try searching for the million and one other threads asking the same thing "

In my opinion it's an ignorant question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They eat seeds so you could argue its the same thing.

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By *apeye OP Man
over a year ago

worcester

"You could always try searching for the million and one other threads asking the same thing

In my opinion it's an ignorant question "

Why is it ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so lets bash vegan's so in fashion its zzzzzzzzzzzz

and no im not a vegan

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By *wist my nipplesCouple
over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

Cum...contains eggs?

Mr.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

Cum...contains eggs?

Mr. "

Yeah, that confused me too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its ok im sat in the naughty corner pissing my self with laughter

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"its ok im sat in the naughty corner pissing my self with laughter

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I'm there too . Can you see me. Wave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

Cum...contains eggs?

Mr.

Yeah, that confused me too."

Think someone got their biology mixed up

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

Cum...contains eggs?

Mr.

Yeah, that confused me too.

Think someone got their biology mixed up

And as girls aloud once said "you cant escape the biology"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people.

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"I'm vegan, and this is a pretty silly question- I'd like to think it was intended as a joke. After all, there's a huge difference between killing and taking bodily fluids unnecessarily from animals who don't have any ability to give consent, Vs a consensual sexual act between two people.

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting."

Many a man are now crying in their cornflakes

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

I've had this conversation with a vegan friend and her answer was yes as she has the consent of the provider of the come.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting."

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically... "

No, I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Animals are living creatures, not commodities for us to use as we see fit. I've got no desire to consume any animal products, but if I did it's as simple as this: animals bodies don't exist for me to use/eat.

I've got more respect for other living creatures than that.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically...

I've got more respect for other living creatures than that."

How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically...

I've got more respect for other living creatures than that.

How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen? "

I'll put it another way,

The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them.

So no.

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting."
Stunning Vegan!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any one for a hunt , yes I said hunt

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically...

I've got more respect for other living creatures than that.

How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen?

I'll put it another way,

The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them.

So no."

Ah ok, so no honey either?

I’m not teasing, just curious..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically...

I've got more respect for other living creatures than that.

How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen?

I'll put it another way,

The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them.

So no.

Ah ok, so no honey either?

I’m not teasing, just curious.. "

That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't.

No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather.

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By *izzymonkeyMan
over a year ago

Hiding In A Bush

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !"

vegans don't do anything conventional, they have to go against the norm and the majority....they'd probably have some plant based sap substitute.....

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

When I was a kid I was teased non stop by other kids as I was a vegetarian. Yes in the sixties being a vegetarian was rare, and kids can be cruel.

So fast forward 50 years and here we are with more vegans now than there were vegetarians then.

And still the same rhetoric from the meat eaters who simply fail to understand that we all have a choice in this world, unlike the animals that are farmed for our delectation. Vegans choose not to a part of this, and in time the world will become a much better place when more people choose this more sustainable and healthy way to live.

In the meantime we will focus on what really matters, like, do vegans swallow cum.....ffs

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically...

I've got more respect for other living creatures than that.

How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen?

I'll put it another way,

The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them.

So no.

Ah ok, so no honey either?

I’m not teasing, just curious..

That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't.

No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather."

Yeah ok, from a vegans view I get wool and leather, silk production I know very little about.. The honey, maybe I find that a little odd.. you seem to be against animal products for moral reasons as opposed to “I want to be known as a vegan because it’s trendy” bandwagon..

Honey is never really something I thought about, I’ve a lot to discuss in my own brain for tonight haha..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You could always try searching for the million and one other threads asking the same thing "

There’s was me thinking it was totally original.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically...

I've got more respect for other living creatures than that.

How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen?

I'll put it another way,

The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them.

So no.

Ah ok, so no honey either?

I’m not teasing, just curious..

That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't.

No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather.

Honey is never really something I thought about, I’ve a lot to discuss in my own brain for tonight haha.. "

Yeah, it's definitely an important ethics thing for me, though I know the meaning of veganism is being diluted a bit now, since it's become more of an 'in' thing.

It's great that you're able to see things from a different perspective, I often find people simply make fun of things they don't understand instead of actually thinking about it.

I won't clog the thread by continuing to post here, but if you want to talk more about it then feel free to send me a message.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"You could always try searching for the million and one other threads asking the same thing

In my opinion it's an ignorant question

Why is it ??"

That question again collaborates my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

I think you need to go back to school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting."

Well said. My best friend is a vegan and it’s a ridiculous question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !

vegans don't do anything conventional, they have to go against the norm and the majority....they'd probably have some plant based sap substitute.....

Yet another ridiculous comment!! People can be so ignorant.

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By *hezuMan
over a year ago

London

"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions."

You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions.

You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat"

Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future.

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By *hezuMan
over a year ago

London

"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions.

You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat

Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future. "

I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eating animal products isn't the most detrimental aspect to climate change. The use of fossil fuels and electricity is the worst contributor. I wonder if vegans will sit by candle light

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions.

You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat

Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future.

I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions"

I was responding to the ‘lorries’ comment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

Cum...contains eggs?

Mr. "

Sex ed lessons in this country are a bit hit and miss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions.

You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat

Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future.

I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions"

India is actually 12th and considering it has one of the second highest population in the world, your agreement doesn’t stake up, nice try though, have another go.

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By *hezuMan
over a year ago

London

"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions.

You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat

Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future.

I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions

India is actually 12th and considering it has one of the second highest population in the world, your agreement doesn’t stake up, nice try though, have another go."

India is 3rd as of june 2019 you must be using bing. it's second highest population n they don't eat meat im saying going vegan isnt a big factor in co emissions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions.

You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat

Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future.

I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions

India is actually 12th and considering it has one of the second highest population in the world, your agreement doesn’t stake up, nice try though, have another go.

India is 3rd as of june 2019 you must be using bing. it's second highest population n they don't eat meat im saying going vegan isnt a big factor in co emissions"

Plenty of meat when I go to India with work. It’s also highly polluted In many parts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tbh everyone is going vegan for different reasons, I'd like to try go vegan but I'm not doing it for the welfare of the animals but for the planet and to reduce carbon emissions.

You not eating meat isnt going to stop the lorries delivering the meat

Depends on how many people stop eating meat in the future.

I doubt it, most of Indias population do not eat meat and they still have 3rd highest co2 emissions

India is actually 12th and considering it has one of the second highest population in the world, your agreement doesn’t stake up, nice try though, have another go.

India is 3rd as of june 2019 you must be using bing. it's second highest population n they don't eat meat im saying going vegan isnt a big factor in co emissions"

Nah mate, up to date stats here, you must be getting your figures delivered by an Asthmatic carrier pigeon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Eating animal products isn't the most detrimental aspect to climate change. The use of fossil fuels and electricity is the worst contributor. I wonder if vegans will sit by candle light

Dogs and cats are responsible for a quarter of the greenhouse gas emissions caused by animal agriculture which adds up to a 64 million tons of carbon-dioxide equivalent emitted in the production of their food. Do the planet a favour, and eat your dog

(cats are exempt from consumption)

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

More importantly I'm sure they don't allow meat in there mouths in the first place so is the question relevant ?

Unless he shoots his load from a safe distance

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By *ollycouple71Couple
over a year ago

manchester

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

Cum...contains eggs?

Mr. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More importantly I'm sure they don't allow meat in there mouths in the first place so is the question relevant ?

Unless he shoots his load from a safe distance "

If it was meat then you would have no penis. I’m sure a rabid meat eater would have had it for a snack ages ago.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I am curious how many men will bullshit that they are vegan or vegetarian just to bed a vegan. And for the vegans who would not swing with a meat eater, how betrayed would you feel if you found out later that he ate meat... ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am curious how many men will bullshit that they are vegan or vegetarian just to bed a vegan. And for the vegans who would not swing with a meat eater, how betrayed would you feel if you found out later that he ate meat... ?"

I do swing with non vegans, selectively (vegans to the top of the list of course), but I'd hate to be lied to like that. I'd certainly never see them again if I found out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do swing with non vegans, selectively (vegans to the top of the list of course), but I'd hate to be lied to like that. I'd certainly never see them again if I found out."

I should add that it's more about the deception, ie. If they'll lie about something like that, what else are they lying about? Consenting spouse, STI status etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And imagine if you started dating someone but you both had eating differences but you fell in love. Would you have to have separate fridges and cookers. Personally I find it a turn off if I find a man who doesn't eat meat. Even more so if they're a Tory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've had this conversation with a vegan friend and her answer was yes as she has the consent of the provider of the come.

But then again did the poor wee innocent sperm get asked if they were ok being swallowed lol

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By *rReyMan
over a year ago

Fleet

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !"

Is it a form of canibalism?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve been seeing a vegan and my best friend is one too. No problems there. He has never dated a vegan nor has my friend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've had this conversation with a vegan friend and her answer was yes as she has the consent of the provider of the come.

But then again did the poor wee innocent sperm get asked if they were ok being swallowed lol "

And you'd have to make sure you use birth control as having kids surely is against vegan principles of more CO2 omissions with sprogs

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

sheffield

See. 5 hours in and not one vegan has swallowed any cum I think that says it all In now going to check my vegan button in settings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically...

I've got more respect for other living creatures than that.

How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen?

I'll put it another way,

The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them.

So no.

Ah ok, so no honey either?

I’m not teasing, just curious..

That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't.

No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather."

I didn't realise Vegans didn't eat Honey, until watching a clip on the news. And don't agree with Sheep shearing either, it was very interesting.

I'd like to think the majority on here simply ask questions out of curiosity, rather than teasing as lack of knowledge... Like myself!

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

But to answer it, I personally hate swallowing cum, and I won't do it. But that's not a vegan issue, I just think it's disgusting.

So with that, if you liked meat, you’d have no issues of eating venison if the Deer died of natural causes in the wild? Hypothetically...

I've got more respect for other living creatures than that.

How about an egg that has been disregarded by a wild hen?

I'll put it another way,

The bodies of animals and their byproducts are simply not mine to take. I have no right to them.

So no.

Ah ok, so no honey either?

I’m not teasing, just curious..

That's okay, I appreciate you being nice about it, many aren't.

No, no honey. I also don't wear silk, wool or leather.

I didn't realise Vegans didn't eat Honey, until watching a clip on the news. And don't agree with Sheep shearing either, it was very interesting.

I'd like to think the majority on here simply ask questions out of curiosity, rather than teasing as lack of knowledge... Like myself! "

Serious question here, but surely vegans that don’t use honey for “saving the world” reason is contradicting themselves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

so...

what do the vegans on the tread think of the "artificially created" meats that are being researched at the moment?

As I understand it they are chemically and structurally the same as a piece of meat, but have no connection to any animal. Would you eat this?

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also the contradiction here is many vegans are eating plant based food that has been flown/shipped thousands of miles while many a neat eater will be buying locally produced meat. To be an ethically sound vegan you surely have to have solar energy, an electric car, walk to work, your own allotment/veg patch and no kids

Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so...

what do the vegans on the tread think of the "artificially created" meats that are being researched at the moment?

As I understand it they are chemically and structurally the same as a piece of meat, but have no connection to any animal. Would you eat this?

Cal"

I'm against it, the initial cells are taken from an animal and then grown into the meat, weather that animal is slaughtered or not I don't think it's ethical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy "

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy "

Carrots don't have feet.

Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy

Carrots don't have feet.

Kevin has

Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.

Cal"

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"so...

what do the vegans on the tread think of the "artificially created" meats that are being researched at the moment?

As I understand it they are chemically and structurally the same as a piece of meat, but have no connection to any animal. Would you eat this?

Cal

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I'm against it, the initial cells are taken from an animal and then grown into the meat, weather that animal is slaughtered or not I don't think it's ethical."

what if that step could be bypassed... or based on cells extracted from a willing person?

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over a year ago

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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy

Carrots don't have feet.

Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.

Cal"

The definition of veganism is,

"A way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

Veganism doesn't mean being perfect (ie. Animal derived glues in cars or fabric sofas etc) it just means doing what's practical.

The inability to be ethically perfect in every way isn't an excuse to ridicule those who really are doing everything they can.

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over a year ago

"so...

what do the vegans on the tread think of the "artificially created" meats that are being researched at the moment?

As I understand it they are chemically and structurally the same as a piece of meat, but have no connection to any animal. Would you eat this?

Cal

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I'm against it, the initial cells are taken from an animal and then grown into the meat, weather that animal is slaughtered or not I don't think it's ethical.

what if that step could be bypassed... or based on cells extracted from a willing person?"

If the cells are coming from a person, then that would be human meat, and if the person consents to that then it's ethical in my opinion. But that's completely different to animal lab grown meat.

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over a year ago

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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy

Carrots don't have feet.

Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.

Cal"

But if your avocado it using more air miles than your locally produced joint of beef what's the point?

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

I'm vegan (K). And to be quite honest I'm sick of this question and the constant attack on vegans!!

For me veganism was a choice mostly for health reasons but ethics was bi product!! Dairy and red meat are heavily link to making joint conditions worse and with discussion from a consultant I trialled going vegan which has done wonders!!

But I do value the ethics of being vegan and I don't eat honey, etc either.

As for cum which is extracted with consent from a sentient beings capable of communication. Yes I do swallow!! Giving someone a blow job is poles apart from forcibly impregnating a cow to use it's breast milk to feed adult humans.

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over a year ago

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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy

Carrots don't have feet.

Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.

Cal

But if your avocado it using more air miles than your locally produced joint of beef what's the point?"

For the animals.

Veganism is, by definition for he animals.

You can't be vegan for any other reason, you can be plant based for the environment, or health, but not vegan.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy

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Carrots don't have feet.

Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.

Cal

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The definition of veganism is,

"A way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

Veganism doesn't mean being perfect (ie. Animal derived glues in cars or fabric sofas etc) it just means doing what's practical.

The inability to be ethically perfect in every way isn't an excuse to ridicule those who really are doing everything they can."

That's kind of what I was trying to say.

Even though I personally would not consider veganism, I applaud those who are willing to stand by their own convictions.

Cal

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over a year ago

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Carbon footprint of a carrot is getting crazy

Carrots don't have feet.

Seriously though, there are many different ethical points-of-view, and to do one thing for "ethical reasons" doesn't mean that every ethical viewpoint of everything needs to be considered.

Cal

The definition of veganism is,

"A way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

Veganism doesn't mean being perfect (ie. Animal derived glues in cars or fabric sofas etc) it just means doing what's practical.

The inability to be ethically perfect in every way isn't an excuse to ridicule those who really are doing everything they can."

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over a year ago

The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

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over a year ago

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

Cum...contains eggs?

Mr. "
sperm then little swimming wriglers

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over a year ago

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

Cum...contains eggs?

Mr. sperm then little swimming wriglers "
that fertilise the egg lol

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!"

It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes?

Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism.

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over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!"

Actually they do know.

If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources.

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over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!"
My friends cat has arthritis in its legs she takes medicine to relieve pain with her food but even though she walks like she's d*unk and has really weird Kenny Everett style leg fits she seems happy in herself and eats fine and goes about her life as normal and best she can, no visible signs of pain or not want to climb or explore, she's 17 now

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over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

Actually they do know.

If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources."

If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead

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over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes?

Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism."

We assume they do but we don't know for absolute. Back this up by science and you might have a good argument

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes?

Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism.

We assume they do but we don't know for absolute. Back this up by science and you might have a good argument"

Sorry but your proposal is both flawed and perhaps designed to amuse or offend.

Humans are animals and mammals and as we feel pain so do horses and cats...

Ever seen a moggie in a catfight.. They feel pain..

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Obviously we are limited as to which websites we are allowed to post, but this one should be safe enough...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain/

Hope this helps.

Cal

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over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes?

Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism.

We assume they do but we don't know for absolute. Back this up by science and you might have a good argument"

Seriously?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

It's not relevant... but have you ever heard a dog when you've accidentally stepped on it's toes?

Many animals definitely feel pain... but that's not the argument behind veganism.

We assume they do but we don't know for absolute. Back this up by science and you might have a good argument"

It's quite easy to back up what is being said which is

Regardless of sciences position on pain vegans choose their lifestyle based upon a wide range of reasons not least important is it makes them feel better or positive

The OP question was ignorant, the exchange of human body fluids and reasons behind an individual's veganism have zero correlation. And to suggest such shows both disrespect and lack of knowledge about which he woefully tried to ridicule

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

Actually they do know.

If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources.

If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead "

There's just one, to get you started:

https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2002.221.208?journalCode=javma

I'm happy to provide more, if that's not enough for you.

Or you could simply ask yourself why you wouldn't kick your pet dog, or why an animal makes that high pitched whine if you accidentally step on a paw or tail....

I really find it unbelievable that you'd need more evidence. It's like you've never spent any time around animals.

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over a year ago

"Obviously we are limited as to which websites we are allowed to post, but this one should be safe enough...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain/

Hope this helps.

Cal"

This article is flawed with assertion and no evidence to back it up. This is clearly shown by this quote

'So there's some science behind owners' and vets' assertion that "I can see it in their eyes and I can see it in their face,” Brown says.'

I have read this and see no scientific evidence and vet's assertion does not give fact that an animal suffers from pain. We assume they do but scientists, I will repeat, do not actually know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

Actually they do know.

If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources.

If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead

There's just one, to get you started:

https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2002.221.208?journalCode=javma

I'm happy to provide more, if that's not enough for you.

Or you could simply ask yourself why you wouldn't kick your pet dog, or why an animal makes that high pitched whine if you accidentally step on a paw or tail....

I really find it unbelievable that you'd need more evidence. It's like you've never spent any time around animals."

Do you know any scientists? Do you know what a peer reviewed paper is? Maybe you should research that before showing one document from one person citing claims with no actual evidence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

Actually they do know.

If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources.

If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead

There's just one, to get you started:

https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2002.221.208?journalCode=javma

I'm happy to provide more, if that's not enough for you.

Or you could simply ask yourself why you wouldn't kick your pet dog, or why an animal makes that high pitched whine if you accidentally step on a paw or tail....

I really find it unbelievable that you'd need more evidence. It's like you've never spent any time around animals."

Please read this before you send unauthorized websites. Thanks. I've got better things to do than educate the uneducated

https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_16

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Troll

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over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!

Actually they do know.

If you'd like to educate yourself, if be happy to provide sources.

If you've got some peer reviewed research by doctorates of science, go ahead

There's just one, to get you started:

https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2002.221.208?journalCode=javma

I'm happy to provide more, if that's not enough for you.

Or you could simply ask yourself why you wouldn't kick your pet dog, or why an animal makes that high pitched whine if you accidentally step on a paw or tail....

I really find it unbelievable that you'd need more evidence. It's like you've never spent any time around animals.

Do you know any scientists? Do you know what a peer reviewed paper is? Maybe you should research that before showing one document from one person citing claims with no actual evidence"

I am a scientist myself as it happens, so I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm going to be sending you a message with more sources. Since you seem determined to be obtuse about this.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Troll

Not at all. Just stating fact thanks

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!"
there alive why would they not feel pain .. ?

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over a year ago

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel pain

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

You have no facts..

You are just being silly for the sake of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The very contentious argument here is you're vegan for animal rights reasons is how do you know animals feel pain? Scientists don't know!there alive why would they not feel pain .. ?

Being alive as an animal does not assure humans that they do feel pain. We just don't know

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over a year ago

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel pain"

There is absolutely evidence of this.

I'm not able to send you a message since I'm outside your age range. If you'd like more sources then do send me a message, and I'll reply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You have no facts..

You are just being silly for the sake of it

That's the point, no-one has facts to say they do

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel pain"
as said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Being alive as an animal does not assure humans that they do feel pain. We just don't know"

I feel pain... And paint yourself into a corner..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel pain

There is absolutely evidence of this.

I'm not able to send you a message since I'm outside your age range. If you'd like more sources then do send me a message, and I'll reply."

I'll happily read as I'll mention yet again from peer reviewed articles from genuine scientists. Not one off assertions from back street scientists. I have done lots of research into this and yet to find evidence based research that says animal feel pain.

If you're a true scientist as you say you are then you'd put emotions to one side and agree that there is no evidence. We all want to assume that they do feel pain as most of us are caring humans and won't inflict unnecessary cruelty to animals but finally, scientists DO NOT know if animals feel pain

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear "
all mammals share the same nervous system, neurochemicals, perceptions, and emotions, all of which are integrated into the experience of pain. They feel it just like we do

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Scientists are never the sharpest tool in the box

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

That's not scientific proof. You assume they do based on your emotional response to its noise

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

That's not scientific proof. You assume they do based on your emotional response to its noise "
well it's not trying to say thank you I enjoyed that please stand on me again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear all mammals share the same nervous system, neurochemicals, perceptions, and emotions, all of which are integrated into the experience of pain. They feel it just like we do"

I'm going round in circles here. There is no evidence! How do you know animals have emotions scientifically?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I have no scientific proof that you are trolling..

So you can't be

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear all mammals share the same nervous system, neurochemicals, perceptions, and emotions, all of which are integrated into the experience of pain. They feel it just like we do

I'm going round in circles here. There is no evidence! How do you know animals have emotions scientifically? "
I've had animals all my life dogs especially they know when your dad they know when you happy there happy when you play walk feed stroke tickle them they know .. there not rocks that just sit on the sofa or in a field. Have you ever met an animal ??

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Crimson, lock your dog in a car on a hot day and get out in front of the beak and tell the judge that there is no evidence that dogs feel pain..

Good luck with that one..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im vegan and i do

Im vegan for my own reasons and don't begrudge anyone their choices.

We arent all the same

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Perhaps you can provide the evidence that animals, including humans, do not feel pain ?

Ha ha. That is the point of this. There is NO evidence that scientists know animals feel painas said above if you've ever accidentally stood on a dogs foot they feel it !! Dont need to be a doctorate scientist to know that .... proof is in their cries that you can actually hear all mammals share the same nervous system, neurochemicals, perceptions, and emotions, all of which are integrated into the experience of pain. They feel it just like we do

I'm going round in circles here. There is no evidence! How do you know animals have emotions scientifically? "

What exactly would you class as evidence?

Does the animal have to tell the scientist it hurts or that it has an emotion?

I find it incredible that anyone truly thinks that because there isn’t any scientific paper somewhere to prove it, that animals feel no pain and have no emotion.

This has to be trolling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan.

However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival.

One big clue is having a nervous system.

Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly

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over a year ago

"Crimson, lock your dog in a car on a hot day and get out in front of the beak and tell the judge that there is no evidence that dogs feel pain..

Good luck with that one..

They might die but do you know your dog felt pain? Your response is anthropomorphic.

We think an animal usually with a face feels pain but we don't know, we assume

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan.

However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival.

One big clue is having a nervous system.

Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly"

Where's the scientific evidence?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I am making an assumption about trolls too

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

If animals don’t feel pain and have no emotion, then how is it possible to be cruel to an animal?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Crimson, lock your dog in a car on a hot day and get out in front of the beak and tell the judge that there is no evidence that dogs feel pain..

Good luck with that one..

They might die but do you know your dog felt pain? Your response is anthropomorphic.

We think an animal usually with a face feels pain but we don't know, we assume"

And again.. what would the judge and jury say.. ?

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By *iss.RedWoman
over a year ago

somewhere

Mammals including ourselves have a complex nervous system that includes pain receptors as well as all the other receptors (pressure, temperature, light etc). It is nonsense to suggest they don't feel pain just because you claim there isn't a scientific paper to evidence this.

Why give anesthetics to animals having operations? Why are there pet painkillers?

Nonsense argument towards vegans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan.

However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival.

One big clue is having a nervous system.

Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly

Where's the scientific evidence? "

People have shown you websites.

Also emotions is a part of psychology. Psychology is the study of behaviour, did you know that? Have you studied animals cos if you do you see emotions as again its part of survival. Hence why swans mate for life.

Also as i said, what do you think the nervous system does? Why do animals cry out if you hurt them?

Youre ridiculous

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Humans dont feel pain ... ever any at all .... prove to me that they do .. I dont believe it for one minute ... this kettle isnt making water hot oh dear wheres my spoon sod it I'll stir my tea with my finger ... I'll get my tray out of the oven with bare hands it wont hurt I feel no pain just like an animal

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan.

However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival.

One big clue is having a nervous system.

Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly

Where's the scientific evidence?

People have shown you websites.

Also as i said, what do you think the nervous system does? Why do animals cry out if you hurt them?

Youre ridiculous"
they were by the wrong scientists though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan.

However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival.

One big clue is having a nervous system.

Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly

Where's the scientific evidence?

People have shown you websites.

Also as i said, what do you think the nervous system does? Why do animals cry out if you hurt them?

Youre ridiculousthey were by the wrong scientists though

I guess common sense and logic means nothing to then by the fact animals react to pain

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Mammals including ourselves have a complex nervous system that includes pain receptors as well as all the other receptors (pressure, temperature, light etc). It is nonsense to suggest they don't feel pain just because you claim there isn't a scientific paper to evidence this.

Why give anesthetics to animals having operations? Why are there pet painkillers?

Nonsense argument towards vegans "
no no no this cant be true theres no paper to show it ... must be a government money making scheme to get more Money out of people who love their pets

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"The whole vegan campaign is ridiculous and illogical, that i agree even as a fellow vegan.

However to say animals dont feel pain is ridiculous and just stupid. Pain is part of survival instincts and all animals have a pain response for survival.

One big clue is having a nervous system.

Trying to devunk the ridiculous vegan ideologues with ridiculous counter arguements is just silly

Where's the scientific evidence?

People have shown you websites.

Also as i said, what do you think the nervous system does? Why do animals cry out if you hurt them?

Youre ridiculousthey were by the wrong scientists though

I guess common sense and logic means nothing to then by the fact animals react to pain

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but how do you know they react to pain .. have you seen it with your own eyes ... have you lol ... are you a scientist of animal pain

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By *oguish1Man
over a year ago

Carrigrohane

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Humans ARE animals too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do vegans swallow cum ??

After all the cum does come from an animal !it's a source of protein but does contain eggs

Cum...contains eggs?

Mr.

Yeah, that confused me too.

Think someone got their biology mixed up

I am wondering if they can suckle on Breastmilk too lol

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over a year ago

If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

"
but do you have scientific evidence of this how do we know that most of us have been altruistic ?

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over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please"

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

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over a year ago

"Obviously we are limited as to which websites we are allowed to post, but this one should be safe enough...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain/

Hope this helps.

Cal

This article is flawed with assertion and no evidence to back it up. This is clearly shown by this quote

'So there's some science behind owners' and vets' assertion that "I can see it in their eyes and I can see it in their face,” Brown says.'

I have read this and see no scientific evidence and vet's assertion does not give fact that an animal suffers from pain. We assume they do but scientists, I will repeat, do not actually know.

Is this post a joke surely you cannot believe that animals don’t feel pain. Have you had any contact with any animals at all. I can assure you just because a cat or dog can’t say “Ouch that fucking hurt” they most definitely feel pain just the same as we do.

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over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

but do you have scientific evidence of this how do we know that most of us have been altruistic ? "

Basic Darwinism makes most humans altruistic - it's in our best interests to be so

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Actually I know that animals feel pain.. my pet parrot told me so..

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over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

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over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems. "

Is there any scientific evidence to say that animals don’t feel pain.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems. "

So guilty as charged...

NEXT ...

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over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

So guilty as charged...

NEXT ...

Still doesn't answer my original question that no-one knows if animal feel pain. Doesn't mean to say people will go out intentionally to harm animals because we don't know. Most people have moral upstanding to stop this. What's your point?

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over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems. "

Im saying this seriously, do you need help?

Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?

All The proof Is here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/

What more evidence do you need?

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems. "
so british animals feel pain but other countryside animals dont

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

My point is that you could go to jail, not for your beliefs, but for your nonsense defence..

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over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

Im saying this seriously, do you need help?

Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?

All The proof Is here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/

What more evidence do you need?"

Anyone who has ever had even the slightest contact with an animal knows they can feel pain it’s crazy to think they can’t. Had a cat for 7 years he gets in everything so occasionally he gets paws or tail stood on the fucking noise he makes is not one of pleasure and comfort like when he purrs during being petted. He screeches out and runs away so pretty damn sure he feels pain.

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over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

Im saying this seriously, do you need help?

Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?

All The proof Is here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/

What more evidence do you need?"

More please. These are independent articles from non peer reviewed articles. May I suggest you take some time to research how science shows facts with vigorous testing over long periods of time and validated by other professionals. None of these articles have been peer reviewed. If I Google 'Does God exist?' then I'll find what I want. Please speak to a practising peer reviewed scientist then I'm more than happy to discuss this further with more intellectual rigour

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over a year ago

"My point is that you could go to jail, not for your beliefs, but for your nonsense defence..

I never said I advocating killing animals for my own personal pleasure. Thanks for your strawman argument

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

So guilty as charged...

NEXT ...

Surely you’re not being serious?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

Im saying this seriously, do you need help?

Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?

All The proof Is here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/

What more evidence do you need?

How do you explain an animals response to any injury if it feels no pain why cry out and run pretty sure it’s feeling something.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

He is not being serious. He is a troll

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

Im saying this seriously, do you need help?

Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?

All The proof Is here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/

What more evidence do you need?

One of the sites is the national geographic.. get real

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

So guilty as charged...

NEXT ...

Surely you’re not being serious? "

I'm coming from a purely scientific point of view not an emotional one. People feel morally responsible for mainly domestic animals as they have an emotional connection to them usually as they have a human like face. Although that won't stop them eating a slab of beef as they've not been privy to the slaughter of it therefore disconnecting themselves from killing.

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over a year ago

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

Im saying this seriously, do you need help?

Why do you keep saying something that is so obviously not true if it isnt to get a reaction? Is this someone way to deal with issues inside you?

All The proof Is here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2017/1/23/14325172/animals-feel-pain-biologist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/news/2016/12/animals-science-medical-pain

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/do-animals-feel-pain

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/fish-feel-pain-180967764/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/science/animals-feelings-heres-science-prove/amp/

What more evidence do you need?

One of the sites is the national geographic.. get real"

Final time! Not a peer reviewed article! Please read what this means

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"If the best you all can do is use give ad hominem arguments then I can't be fucked.

To finally say, I wouldn't harm an animal but all we know is they may feel some rudimentary sensation but no-one knows if it's the same as humans.

If most animals were more sophisticated they'd be eating humans all the time. They don't give a shit about us ha ha.

Most of you on this have been altruistic but yet to show the evidence.

Of course you have a point..

Why not lay beartraps and snares and when prosecuted tell the judge that animals don't feel pain..

Answer that one please

That's why scientists haven't done this and why wouldn't be ethical for research onto why animals do or don't feel pain.

Science is also governed by laws and morals with a touch of philosophy thankfully.

But also it is socially acceptable to butcher western domestic animals in eastern countries therefore morals and laws differ wherever you live.

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

And you haven't answered how this would stand up in court

The law doesn't state that animals feel pain, merely make moral judgements therefore this isn't a counter arguments to my original point that science doesn't know that animals feel pain.

Hunting is legal in different countries therefore globally the law is subjective to different cultural and ethical belief systems.

So guilty as charged...

NEXT ...

Surely you’re not being serious?

Your point being ?

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By *r MoriartyMan
over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So explain why an animal cries out when experiencing pain?

Explain why animals have pain receivers in their nervous system?

Explain why animals are used in the research for pain medication for humans?

Explain why the websites mention research that has been done proving they do?

Explain why animals are given pain relief and why that pain relief changes their behaviour as if not in pain anymore the same as a human would?

Are you actually this dense?

Have you ever met an animal?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I have no scientific evidence to prove it but this troll may be a man pretending to be a woman with no meets ever..

All the hallmarks..

Man Troll

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

I would say the fact animals have pain receptors is scientific proof. The fact they react to pain. What more proof can you get?

That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have no scientific evidence to prove it but this troll may be a man pretending to be a woman with no meets ever..

All the hallmarks..

Man Troll"

Ad hominem as you have no science to disprove. Have a lovely evening

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Bye Man Troll

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it.

Strawman argument but yet to give accuracy to what I said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bye Man Troll

I look forward to your peer led reviews when scientists show that animals do feel pain and you acknowledge women aren't always trolls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it.

Strawman argument but yet to give accuracy to what I said"

Do you have scientific evidence to say they dont experience pain?

Also youve ignored my questions.

At least answer why an animal reacts to pain the same way a human does

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bye Man Troll

I look forward to your peer led reviews when scientists show that animals do feel pain and you acknowledge women aren't always trolls "

Show scientific proof animals can’t feel pain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bye Man Troll

I look forward to your peer led reviews when scientists show that animals do feel pain and you acknowledge women aren't always trolls "

So scientists havent proved they dont feel pain?

So the evidence of their reactions and the fact they have pain receptors means nothing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bye Man Troll

I look forward to your peer led reviews when scientists show that animals do feel pain and you acknowledge women aren't always trolls

So scientists havent proved they dont feel pain?

So the evidence of their reactions and the fact they have pain receptors means nothing?"

Can man trolls feel pain or are they too stupid

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By *r MoriartyMan
over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it.

Strawman argument but yet to give accuracy to what I said"

Oh I wasn't arguing, just enjoying the chat my lovely.

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"So explain why an animal cries out when experiencing pain?

Explain why animals have pain receivers in their nervous system?

Explain why animals are used in the research for pain medication for humans?

Explain why the websites mention research that has been done proving they do?

Explain why animals are given pain relief and why that pain relief changes their behaviour as if not in pain anymore the same as a human would?

Are you actually this dense?

Have you ever met an animal? "
apparently none of that counts

it's not done by the correct scientists

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

zzzzzzzzzz

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bradford

If you read my responses I've never advocated animal cruelty but merely pointed out we don't know if animals feel pain.

That may be factually accurate but like the Higgs Boson particle enough evidence points to it for us to be pretty confident of it's existence, even before we scientifically prove it.

Strawman argument but yet to give accuracy to what I said

Do you have scientific evidence to say they dont experience pain?

Also youve ignored my questions.

At least answer why an animal reacts to pain the same way a human does

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its just moking the humans lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://academic.oup.com/ilarjournal/article/40/3/97/959811

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

This article seems to confirm many times that animals DO experience pain...

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