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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

...a feminist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Define it

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford

Yes, or at least I try to be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep! -K

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

No

I think it is sometimes an agenda which is used negatively.

There had been much repression of women in the past which is regrettable, but sometimes (not always) the feminist attitude seems to have a "now it's our turn" approach rather than working towards true equality and tolerance for all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Define it"

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it.

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Hell no. But I’m open to offers

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

Then, yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

so nope still women here on fab rule so men are not equal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

Then yes I'm a feminist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

Yep

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No

I think it is sometimes an agenda which is used negatively.

There had been much repression of women in the past which is regrettable, but sometimes (not always) the feminist attitude seems to have a "now it's our turn" approach rather than working towards true equality and tolerance for all.

"

I agree, a lot of people label themselves feminists when they actually just want a role reversal.

But they're not feminists.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it.so nope still women here on fab rule so men are not equal "

I'm talking in general, not just on fab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hell no!

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By *moothdickMan
over a year ago

stoke

I’m not a feminist but I believe we are equal .. feminists can be has decisive as sexists

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’m not a feminist but I believe we are equal .. feminists can be has decisive as sexists "

Those people aren't feminists!

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham


"No

I think it is sometimes an agenda which is used negatively.

There had been much repression of women in the past which is regrettable, but sometimes (not always) the feminist attitude seems to have a "now it's our turn" approach rather than working towards true equality and tolerance for all.

I agree, a lot of people label themselves feminists when they actually just want a role reversal.

But they're not feminists."

By the true definition, I agree, however they label themselves as such which sadly gives the whole concept bad press.

I wonder if there really should be an "Equalitist" movement, that campaigns for equal rights for all regardless of race, creed, gender or sexuality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No idea im not sure i really know what one is anymore

1st i like women we tend to get on do i think men are superior no

Do i think life should be fair no matter the sex yes

But heres where my line is drawn _______

the public pushing of femininity on everyone and force feeding it down our throats is ridiculous dr who nobody will tell me thats not political after the year before bbc are getting abused by all the womens lib nutters about pay gaps and equality

Same with the pushing of womens football its not even close comparison to mens but gets loads of air time but yet there arguing over why male footballers earn more when you watch 2k fans in a 30k stadium theres the answer

And dont get me started on the bond thing

Anyway like i said iv not a clue what it is anymore

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

If there’s a situation where you’re not sure what to do, look at what the mouth-breathers are doing and then do the opposite.

I’m not saying that all opponents of feminism are stupid, but the membership quota is definitely higher

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By *icetouch83Man
over a year ago

swansea

Yep i equally love everyone lol #Onelove

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it.so nope still women here on fab rule so men are not equal

I'm talking in general, not just on fab.

"

ahhhh well in general we are people so we should be treated as equals but life doesn't always allow this, which is sad really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes equality for all. I think the problem when using the word feminist, is that it’s so often hijacked by others pushing a different agenda and it put people (mainly us men) on rye back foot occasionally

But I’m absolutely down a equal rights abs treatment for all

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No

I think it is sometimes an agenda which is used negatively.

There had been much repression of women in the past which is regrettable, but sometimes (not always) the feminist attitude seems to have a "now it's our turn" approach rather than working towards true equality and tolerance for all.

I agree, a lot of people label themselves feminists when they actually just want a role reversal.

But they're not feminists.

By the true definition, I agree, however they label themselves as such which sadly gives the whole concept bad press.

I wonder if there really should be an "Equalitist" movement, that campaigns for equal rights for all regardless of race, creed, gender or sexuality. "

I like that idea

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

All good and well but would you have that attitude on a sinking ship when they say women and children first

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham


"No

I think it is sometimes an agenda which is used negatively.

There had been much repression of women in the past which is regrettable, but sometimes (not always) the feminist attitude seems to have a "now it's our turn" approach rather than working towards true equality and tolerance for all.

I agree, a lot of people label themselves feminists when they actually just want a role reversal.

But they're not feminists.

By the true definition, I agree, however they label themselves as such which sadly gives the whole concept bad press.

I wonder if there really should be an "Equalitist" movement, that campaigns for equal rights for all regardless of race, creed, gender or sexuality.

I like that idea "

Phew ... I thought I may be in for a roasting from some Haha

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it.

All good and well but would you have that attitude on a sinking ship when they say women and children first "

Absolutely...children first by all means...but men and women should be equal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm actually an anti-feminist but am definitely an equalist! This is how my daughter explained it and it works perfectly for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm actually an anti-feminist but am definitely an equalist! This is how my daughter explained it and it works perfectly for us "
what I can see of you looks far superior to what I can see of me

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it.

All good and well but would you have that attitude on a sinking ship when they say women and children first

Absolutely...children first by all means...but men and women should be equal."

Hmm, I'm not convinced

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By *r_Jake70Man
over a year ago

London

Watching....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it.

All good and well but would you have that attitude on a sinking ship when they say women and children first

Absolutely...children first by all means...but men and women should be equal.

Hmm, I'm not convinced "

Of course you're not, you don't know me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Watching...."
join in ffs

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By *P_80Man
over a year ago

Waterford


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it.

All good and well but would you have that attitude on a sinking ship when they say women and children first

Absolutely...children first by all means...but men and women should be equal.

Hmm, I'm not convinced

Of course you're not, you don't know me "

Good point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No idea im not sure i really know what one is anymore

1st i like women we tend to get on do i think men are superior no

Do i think life should be fair no matter the sex yes

But heres where my line is drawn _______

the public pushing of femininity on everyone and force feeding it down our throats is ridiculous dr who nobody will tell me thats not political after the year before bbc are getting abused by all the womens lib nutters about pay gaps and equality

"

So you are actually bothered about Dr Who being a woman? A

And people complaining about pay gaps and equality are "women's lib nutters"? This despite the opening caveat of believing life should be fair irrespective of gender?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No idea im not sure i really know what one is anymore

1st i like women we tend to get on do i think men are superior no

Do i think life should be fair no matter the sex yes

But heres where my line is drawn _______

the public pushing of femininity on everyone and force feeding it down our throats is ridiculous dr who nobody will tell me thats not political after the year before bbc are getting abused by all the womens lib nutters about pay gaps and equality

So you are actually bothered about Dr Who being a woman? A

And people complaining about pay gaps and equality are "women's lib nutters"? This despite the opening caveat of believing life should be fair irrespective of gender?"

Quite agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes in that I support equality for all at all levels

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, 100%.

I do think there are extreme feminists who ruin what feminism is all about and then people assume that because you're a feminist you must hate every man on the planet drives me bananas.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes in that I support equality for all at all levels "

Splendid chap

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes, 100%.

I do think there are extreme feminists who ruin what feminism is all about and then people assume that because you're a feminist you must hate every man on the planet drives me bananas. "

Yup, I'm with you

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

Going off your definition yes, perhaps I am.

More importantly to me is I know I'm not a sets.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it.

Going off your definition yes, perhaps I am.

More importantly to me is I know I'm not a sets. "

*sexist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

~Mia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No but I'm all for equal opportunities and rights.

There was something on the radio a few weeks ago about it and a woman at work and I had a disagreement on this.

I made 2 examples

1 -An engineer, female, same experience same qualifications should get paid the same as a man in that job

2 - A brick layer, female, same experience and same qualifications but lays only 70% of the bricks a man lays in a day shouldn't get paid the same.

She lost her shit with me over number 2 and still won't let it go, she's a militant feminist that give the whole thing a bad name.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

I am. I believe in equality between the sex's and that neither should get a better deal than the other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No but I'm all for equal opportunities and rights.

There was something on the radio a few weeks ago about it and a woman at work and I had a disagreement on this.

I made 2 examples

1 -An engineer, female, same experience same qualifications should get paid the same as a man in that job

2 - A brick layer, female, same experience and same qualifications but lays only 70% of the bricks a man lays in a day shouldn't get paid the same.

She lost her shit with me over number 2 and still won't let it go, she's a militant feminist that give the whole thing a bad name. "

Are bricklayers paid per brick then?

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By *latinumkittenWoman
over a year ago

from Home Counties to Middle Earth

I'm definitely not a feminist. Survival of the fittest is nature's law, as long as you've the opportunity to be in it to win it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, I’m a pain in the arse!

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

Nope. I have never understood why anyone collects stamps, to each their own.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham


"Nope. I have never understood why anyone collects stamps, to each their own. "

Haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No and one I know said a good thing, she said she is a woman not a feminist.

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By *ryst In IsoldeWoman
over a year ago

your imagination


"No but I'm all for equal opportunities and rights.

There was something on the radio a few weeks ago about it and a woman at work and I had a disagreement on this.

I made 2 examples

1 -An engineer, female, same experience same qualifications should get paid the same as a man in that job

2 - A brick layer, female, same experience and same qualifications but lays only 70% of the bricks a man lays in a day shouldn't get paid the same.

She lost her shit with me over number 2 and still won't let it go, she's a militant feminist that give the whole thing a bad name. "

I'm in agreement with you on pay being in accordance with productivity and it being unlikely that a female blocklayer will consistently be as productive as a male one purely based on physiology, but would also like to point out that aside from physiology, there may be lazy or unfit male blocklayers on the same site who also only lay 70% of the bricks... Should they still get paid the same as their more productive colleagues because they're male?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We're all created equal but some are more equal than others lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We're all created equal but some are more equal than others lol "

Omg you can have babies!!! Way to go!! Hahahahahahahahaha

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

no not a feminist... just one for equality for all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No

I think it is sometimes an agenda which is used negatively.

There had been much repression of women in the past which is regrettable, but sometimes (not always) the feminist attitude seems to have a "now it's our turn" approach rather than working towards true equality and tolerance for all.

"

Sitting on the fence with this one. Simply because I have a similar view to the above post.

We are all equal no matter who we are....

It's about understanding we were created different for a reason and that's not to say anyone is better or inferior.

Just don't ask me to explain on here or I will miss a word or type the wrong word and the whole of fab will be looking to slaughter me

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham


"We're all created equal but some are more equal than others lol "

Orwell, Animal Farm?

4 legs good, 2 legs bad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We're all created equal but some are more equal than others lol

Orwell, Animal Farm?

4 legs good, 2 legs bad"

Thought we only talking humans here

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

I would rather say that I'm an equalist than a feminist. Too many bad connotations of feminists and honestly most are bought on by women themselves, like many things, it's a loud vocal minority ruining it for the majority.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

I (Luke) am always wary of labels because they can mean different things to different people.

I would say yes but with the above caveat. I believe in equal rights and opportunities for men and women except where biological differences make it appropriate to behave differently.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Yes.

There are problems and challenges with different branches/factions in feminism.

In the broad sense I am an intersectional feminist and have a lot of regard for Kimberle Williams Crenshaw's work.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Feminism succeeds for ALL of us when we have men as allies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

Problem is that's not the common definition anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No but I'm all for equal opportunities and rights.

There was something on the radio a few weeks ago about it and a woman at work and I had a disagreement on this.

I made 2 examples

1 -An engineer, female, same experience same qualifications should get paid the same as a man in that job

2 - A brick layer, female, same experience and same qualifications but lays only 70% of the bricks a man lays in a day shouldn't get paid the same.

She lost her shit with me over number 2 and still won't let it go, she's a militant feminist that give the whole thing a bad name. "

If both people put 100% effort in, they should be paid equally regardless of the amount of bricks layed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it.so nope still women here on fab rule so men are not equal "

That is down to the men, themselves. They have the same choices etc that women do... But they chose to change the dynamic to be less equal, whether that was their intent or not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Not at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feminism means different depending on what country you are in, in sweden the radical feminist govern and they dont stand for equality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We're all created equal but some are more equal than others lol

Omg you can have babies!!! Way to go!! Hahahahahahahahaha"

I watched a programme one time and they had rigged some kind of electrical device to sensors which were attached to guys bodies simulating contraction pains, it had different levels of intensity the guys all struggled at the basic power level , I have great respect for a woman's ability to give birth but that's genetics lol

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By *r_Jake70Man
over a year ago

London


"Feminism means different depending on what country you are in, in sweden the radical feminist govern and they dont stand for equality."

RadFems do not govern in Sweden. They have a Green/Left alliance. The major difference (for Europe at least) is that they have a near 50/50 male/female split between elected MPs which is precisely as it should be, although by no means the highest in the world. They are a self-declared ‘Feminist Government’ which purely means that “gender equality is central to the Government’s priorities – in decision-making and resource allocation. A feminist government ensures that a gender equality perspective is brought into policy-making on a broad front, both nationally and internationally. Women and men must have the same power to shape society and their own lives. This is a human right and a matter of democracy and justice.” They are to applauded for making this stance and we, with less than 30% of English and Welsh MPs, have a lot to learn from them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Feminism means different depending on what country you are in, in sweden the radical feminist govern and they dont stand for equality.

RadFems do not govern in Sweden. They have a Green/Left alliance. The major difference (for Europe at least) is that they have a near 50/50 male/female split between elected MPs which is precisely as it should be, although by no means the highest in the world. They are a self-declared ‘Feminist Government’ which purely means that “gender equality is central to the Government’s priorities – in decision-making and resource allocation. A feminist government ensures that a gender equality perspective is brought into policy-making on a broad front, both nationally and internationally. Women and men must have the same power to shape society and their own lives. This is a human right and a matter of democracy and justice.” They are to applauded for making this stance and we, with less than 30% of English and Welsh MPs, have a lot to learn from them.

"

They do and it is the first feminist government in the world, you can see it on their site.

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By *r_Jake70Man
over a year ago

London


"Feminism means different depending on what country you are in, in sweden the radical feminist govern and they dont stand for equality.

RadFems do not govern in Sweden. They have a Green/Left alliance. The major difference (for Europe at least) is that they have a near 50/50 male/female split between elected MPs which is precisely as it should be, although by no means the highest in the world. They are a self-declared ‘Feminist Government’ which purely means that “gender equality is central to the Government’s priorities – in decision-making and resource allocation. A feminist government ensures that a gender equality perspective is brought into policy-making on a broad front, both nationally and internationally. Women and men must have the same power to shape society and their own lives. This is a human right and a matter of democracy and justice.” They are to applauded for making this stance and we, with less than 30% of English and Welsh MPs, have a lot to learn from them.

They do and it is the first feminist government in the world, you can see it on their site."

Perhaps you’d like to define ‘radical feminist’

The quote I gave was directly from the website, it doesn’t mention ‘radical’. It says that the government is feminist, all of the parties in the coalition agreed on this.

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By *lex D.Man
over a year ago

London


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

Absolutely yes. I certainly dislike uninspiring Trump-Johnson like misogynists. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm all for equality on work places but if women are not pulling the same weight as men it's not right. Equal opportunity needs equal input. I think men need more equal opportunities too when it comes to their kids among other things.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


" I'm all for equality on work places but if women are not pulling the same weight as men it's not right. Equal opportunity needs equal input. I think men need more equal opportunities too when it comes to their kids among other things. "

Do all men pull the same weight?

Is it right to penalise women because only they CAN bear children?

I agree men should have more opportunities around family and children but when offered the take up is low.

The solutions are both individual and societal. Heternormativity costs men as well as women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No but I'm all for equal opportunities and rights.

There was something on the radio a few weeks ago about it and a woman at work and I had a disagreement on this.

I made 2 examples

1 -An engineer, female, same experience same qualifications should get paid the same as a man in that job

2 - A brick layer, female, same experience and same qualifications but lays only 70% of the bricks a man lays in a day shouldn't get paid the same.

She lost her shit with me over number 2 and still won't let it go, she's a militant feminist that give the whole thing a bad name.

I'm in agreement with you on pay being in accordance with productivity and it being unlikely that a female blocklayer will consistently be as productive as a male one purely based on physiology, but would also like to point out that aside from physiology, there may be lazy or unfit male blocklayers on the same site who also only lay 70% of the bricks... Should they still get paid the same as their more productive colleagues because they're male? "

No they shouldn't get paid the same. There has to be equality both ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Feminism means different depending on what country you are in, in sweden the radical feminist govern and they dont stand for equality.

RadFems do not govern in Sweden. They have a Green/Left alliance. The major difference (for Europe at least) is that they have a near 50/50 male/female split between elected MPs which is precisely as it should be, although by no means the highest in the world. They are a self-declared ‘Feminist Government’ which purely means that “gender equality is central to the Government’s priorities – in decision-making and resource allocation. A feminist government ensures that a gender equality perspective is brought into policy-making on a broad front, both nationally and internationally. Women and men must have the same power to shape society and their own lives. This is a human right and a matter of democracy and justice.” They are to applauded for making this stance and we, with less than 30% of English and Welsh MPs, have a lot to learn from them.

They do and it is the first feminist government in the world, you can see it on their site.

Perhaps you’d like to define ‘radical feminist’

The quote I gave was directly from the website, it doesn’t mention ‘radical’. It says that the government is feminist, all of the parties in the coalition agreed on this. "

That is good and yes it doesnt mention it, but it is widely known in sweden, we call them batikhexor and it is them that are creating the inequality.

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By *r_Jake70Man
over a year ago

London


"we call them batikhexor and it is them that are creating the inequality."

Inequality in what sense?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No

I think it is sometimes an agenda which is used negatively.

There had been much repression of women in the past which is regrettable, but sometimes (not always) the feminist attitude seems to have a "now it's our turn" approach rather than working towards true equality and tolerance for all.

I agree, a lot of people label themselves feminists when they actually just want a role reversal.

But they're not feminists.

By the true definition, I agree, however they label themselves as such which sadly gives the whole concept bad press.

I wonder if there really should be an "Equalitist" movement, that campaigns for equal rights for all regardless of race, creed, gender or sexuality. "

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By *il FiskMan
over a year ago

sefton

Not as such, I'm a humanist!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we call them batikhexor and it is them that are creating the inequality.

Inequality in what sense?"

That the man dont have much a say in the society.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

100%

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By *r_Jake70Man
over a year ago

London


"we call them batikhexor and it is them that are creating the inequality.

Inequality in what sense?That the man dont have much a say in the society."

Really? I find that impossible to believe. Have you got any concrete examples?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Afraid not...I like being taken care of by a big strong man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I'm all for equality on work places but if women are not pulling the same weight as men it's not right. Equal opportunity needs equal input. I think men need more equal opportunities too when it comes to their kids among other things.

Do all men pull the same weight?

Is it right to penalise women because only they CAN bear children?

I agree men should have more opportunities around family and children but when offered the take up is low.

The solutions are both individual and societal. Heternormativity costs men as well as women.

"

In certain situations men pick up way more slack than women in jobs, not then all but equality is for everyone not just women

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes.

There are problems and challenges with different branches/factions in feminism.

In the broad sense I am an intersectional feminist and have a lot of regard for Kimberle Williams Crenshaw's work.

"

This

Intersectionality is finding its way into all sorts of areas now and that can only be a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we call them batikhexor and it is them that are creating the inequality.

Inequality in what sense?That the man dont have much a say in the society.

Really? I find that impossible to believe. Have you got any concrete examples?"

Yes inequality such as job positions, for example in the media you will find it is mostly run by women and when you watch tv you wont see many male presenters.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I would never call myself a feminist, particularly not when it becomes demeaning to men. Not sure I would try to demand equality in two things that are very different either - fairness and justice? Well yes, of course that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a peopleist.

Don't care what gender you are, as long as you're treated fairly.

Unless you're a cunt - in which case you've earned that shitnizzle

P

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Absolutely...children first by all means...but men and women should be equal.

Hmm, I'm not convinced "

Women and children first is a myth from the movies. Children first is just crazy? Load up a lifeboat with just children and launch them into the ocean?

I will wait until some experienced crew and preferably the navigator picks a boat before I join them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh yeah feminist thingy... no not really equal opportunity, but without dragging others down to a common level is my preference.

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By *r_Jake70Man
over a year ago

London


"Yes inequality such as job positions, for example in the media you will find it is mostly run by women and when you watch tv you wont see many male presenters."

So thousands of years of patriarchy have been overturned in just a few years, by having more female tv presenters? Are you serious?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God no! Its sad though some equate wanting equality for being a feminist as they aren't the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the equal right sense yes.

In the skewed way that some people push it, fuck no.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"God no! Its sad though some equate wanting equality for being a feminist as they aren't the same thing. "

yes they are.

The twats who think otherwise and call themselves feminists are not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God no! Its sad though some equate wanting equality for being a feminist as they aren't the same thing.

yes they are.

The twats who think otherwise and call themselves feminists are not."

I'm not a feminist but believe in equality more an equalist as a human right.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"God no! Its sad though some equate wanting equality for being a feminist as they aren't the same thing.

yes they are.

The twats who think otherwise and call themselves feminists are not.

I'm not a feminist but believe in equality more an equalist as a human right."

I consider myself a feminist. I believe in equality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God no! Its sad though some equate wanting equality for being a feminist as they aren't the same thing.

yes they are.

The twats who think otherwise and call themselves feminists are not.

I'm not a feminist but believe in equality more an equalist as a human right."

I believe in equality for men, we need all the help we can get here

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

No.

Telling a woman "A lady must always wear a knee length dress or she is not feminine", is disgusting thing to say, just like its disgusting for women to try define masculinity to men by telling them how to behave.

I just dont think its right to label men toxic so much. Ask for equal pay, ask to be treated fair in work, ask for sexuality to be removed from the work place, ask for a professional environment. But dont call a guy toxic for opening the door for you or asking you if want to go on a date, or trying to pay for the meal you just ate.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No.

Telling a woman "A lady must always wear a knee length dress or she is not feminine", is disgusting thing to say, just like its disgusting for women to try define masculinity to men by telling them how to behave.

I just dont think its right to label men toxic so much. Ask for equal pay, ask to be treated fair in work, ask for sexuality to be removed from the work place, ask for a professional environment. But dont call a guy toxic for opening the door for you or asking you if want to go on a date, or trying to pay for the meal you just ate."

That's not feminism.

I don't brand chivalrous men toxic. I believein balance, equality and women's rights. Not branding all men assholes. I love men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Define it

A feminist believes that women and men should have equal opportunities and rights. They would be against any kind of sexist or misogynistic behaviour. And want to empower others.

That's how I would define it."

By that definition I would be a feminist. I'm not sure I agree with the term though as it only applies to one gender with it's very wording? It's like saying a communist believes in democracy and communist manifestos equally?

I'd say I'm more of an 'equalitarian' if that makes sense?

B

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By *entleman JayMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

I most definitely am.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"That's not feminism.

I don't brand chivalrous men toxic. I believein balance, equality and women's rights. Not branding all men assholes. I love men "

I appreciate your view, but a feminist defined it as such on TV, that a feminist pays for the meal, holds the door open for the man and that a mans attitude that he should do these things are toxic.

Maybe thats extreme feminisim, or I dunno, all I know is men should be allowed be their own men, and women their own women and that equality should be the obvious things like you dont grope someone, slap someones ass, give them a sexual comment, or hold them back due to gender. That kinda stuff is clearly wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"That's not feminism.

I don't brand chivalrous men toxic. I believein balance, equality and women's rights. Not branding all men assholes. I love men

I appreciate your view, but a feminist defined it as such on TV, that a feminist pays for the meal, holds the door open for the man and that a mans attitude that he should do these things are toxic.

Maybe thats extreme feminisim, or I dunno, all I know is men should be allowed be their own men, and women their own women and that equality should be the obvious things like you dont grope someone, slap someones ass, give them a sexual comment, or hold them back due to gender. That kinda stuff is clearly wrong."

Feminism is about equality.

Women's rights to be equal to men.

The rest is bullshit spewed by dingbats CLAIMING to be feminists. They're not.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you believe women should have equal rights then you're a feminist.

Why is it such a hard thing for some people to admit?

I think people see feminism in their own way, but isn't it just a woman being allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men? And surely any decent human being would agree with that?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

If you believe women should have equal rights then you're a feminist.

Why is it such a hard thing for some people to admit?

I think people see feminism in their own way, but isn't it just a woman being allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men? And surely any decent human being would agree with that?"

Thank you....someone who gets it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If you believe women should have equal rights then you're a feminist.

Why is it such a hard thing for some people to admit?

I think people see feminism in their own way, but isn't it just a woman being allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men? And surely any decent human being would agree with that?"

I believe every person regardless should have the same rights as every person! You don't actually have to be a feminist to believe in that surely?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

If you believe women should have equal rights then you're a feminist.

Why is it such a hard thing for some people to admit?

I think people see feminism in their own way, but isn't it just a woman being allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men? And surely any decent human being would agree with that?

I believe every person regardless should have the same rights as every person! You don't actually have to be a feminist to believe in that surely? "

I have the same belief.

You don't have to be a feminist to believe that, but believing it makes you a feminist even if you'd rather not label yourself as such (which is cool of course)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are both masculinists, so no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

If you believe women should have equal rights then you're a feminist.

Why is it such a hard thing for some people to admit?

I think people see feminism in their own way, but isn't it just a woman being allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men? And surely any decent human being would agree with that?

I believe every person regardless should have the same rights as every person! You don't actually have to be a feminist to believe in that surely?

I have the same belief.

You don't have to be a feminist to believe that, but believing it makes you a feminist even if you'd rather no

t label yourself as such (which is cool of course)"

I suppose the difference I believe in men's rights equally to women's rights therefore just an equalist ... easier way to put it

The label "feminist" has so many connotations and sub-parts, divides so many people that prefer not to be associated with the term solely, so I'm not I'm an equalist

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

If you believe women should have equal rights then you're a feminist.

Why is it such a hard thing for some people to admit?

I think people see feminism in their own way, but isn't it just a woman being allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men? And surely any decent human being would agree with that?

I believe every person regardless should have the same rights as every person! You don't actually have to be a feminist to believe in that surely?

I have the same belief.

You don't have to be a feminist to believe that, but believing it makes you a feminist even if you'd rather no

t label yourself as such (which is cool of course)

I suppose the difference I believe in men's rights equally to women's rights therefore just an equalist ... easier way to put it

The label "feminist" has so many connotations and sub-parts, divides so many people that prefer not to be associated with the term solely, so I'm not I'm an equalist "

Fair enough

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