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"Road safety campaigners are now calling for a complete ban on any kind of mobile phone use while driving citing a driver's inability to multitask as the reason. Does this mean they think we should also not listen to music, speak to passengers or enjoy a coffee too? They back this up with the spurious claim that we managed without them 30 years ago so ee can do without them now. I don't think these people live in the real world. The same thing can be daid for many things. Clearly texting while driving is an act of madness but this is a ridiculous step too far." Anything that distracts you from driving is distracting you from driving. At 30mph you are in charge of a ton of machinery travelling at 45 feet every second or 2700 feet a minute. I'd say that's a good enough reason not to have any in car distractions. As it sits the phraseology of the law is an ass. You could use a calculator but not the calculator on your phone. There's a judicial review of the wording going through at the moment I believe. | |||
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"Does the ban include the built in hands free Bluetooth devices.? " The ban includes any kind of mobile phone use. | |||
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"This was my self same thought ... Having a conversation with someone in a car .... whether they are there or not ... still a distraction? Our is there something about the non presence of the person that is more distracting? What about screaming kids in the back ... ban those too? Driving had many distractions ... like driving through town on a hot day ... damn those skirts, ban those too "I take the same view as RoSPA and the IAM. How many times have you seen a driver chatting away to a passenger; every time they speak they turn their head towards the passenger. 10 seconds of dialogue and you've travelled 450 feet without a clue what's going on in front of you. | |||
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"Does the ban include the built in hands free Bluetooth devices.? " . Yes I believe it is. | |||
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"Does the ban include the built in hands free Bluetooth devices.? " Exactly, I use mine all the time...... Do they want to ban the stereo as well, we crnt sing in the car that's multitasking.....don't touch the sun visor or Windows.... that s multitasking......don't look at the dash clocks.....on and on and on.... | |||
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"It’s just another hit at drivers and yet more cash from fines. How can talking hands free be any different from talking to a passenger in the car or having kids in the back. Are radios going to be banned next it’s total bull shit " It's a hit particularly at the self-employed. They say drivers should pull over every time to take a call. As i said, i don't think they live in the real world. | |||
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"Does the ban include the built in hands free Bluetooth devices.? Exactly, I use mine all the time...... Do they want to ban the stereo as well, we crnt sing in the car that's multitasking.....don't touch the sun visor or Windows.... that s multitasking......don't look at the dash clocks.....on and on and on...." Or we have to pull over every time it starts raining to switch the wipers on. | |||
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"I think it's a good thing. If you can't leave your phone alone whilst you're driving there's something wrong. Too many people die on the roads cos people are fannying about with their mobiles! " Fannying about with mobiles is still illegal ... hence hands free I do agree with Byron's point ... any distraction that takes your eyes off the road is a bad thing Just feel there are greater evils out there in the world of driving than this particular issue ... | |||
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"I think it's a good thing. If you can't leave your phone alone whilst you're driving there's something wrong. Too many people die on the roads cos people are fannying about with their mobiles! Fannying about with mobiles is still illegal ... hence hands free I do agree with Byron's point ... any distraction that takes your eyes off the road is a bad thing Just feel there are greater evils out there in the world of driving than this particular issue ... " Tell that to someone who's lost a child because some other driver was answering a call instead of having their full attention on the road... | |||
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"I think it's a good thing. If you can't leave your phone alone whilst you're driving there's something wrong. Too many people die on the roads cos people are fannying about with their mobiles! Fannying about with mobiles is still illegal ... hence hands free I do agree with Byron's point ... any distraction that takes your eyes off the road is a bad thing Just feel there are greater evils out there in the world of driving than this particular issue ... Tell that to someone who's lost a child because some other driver was answering a call instead of having their full attention on the road..." Or turning round chastising their own screaming child ... the number of times I scarily witness this on the roads ... anything that takes your eyes off the road is bad | |||
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"Police cars have radios in them so they can speak to control centre usually during high speed pursuits are they getting banned. Don’t think so !!!!" Unlike Joe Public the police are trained to do this and in most cases their co driver is the one on the phone. Attend an RTA where some prick has been distracted by something and tell us all it's nothing more than a way of extracting money from motorists. | |||
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"I think it's a good thing. If you can't leave your phone alone whilst you're driving there's something wrong. Too many people die on the roads cos people are fannying about with their mobiles! Fannying about with mobiles is still illegal ... hence hands free I do agree with Byron's point ... any distraction that takes your eyes off the road is a bad thing Just feel there are greater evils out there in the world of driving than this particular issue ... Tell that to someone who's lost a child because some other driver was answering a call instead of having their full attention on the road... Or turning round chastising their own screaming child ... the number of times I scarily witness this on the roads ... anything that takes your eyes off the road is bad"  | |||
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"I think it's a good thing. If you can't leave your phone alone whilst you're driving there's something wrong. Too many people die on the roads cos people are fannying about with their mobiles! Fannying about with mobiles is still illegal ... hence hands free I do agree with Byron's point ... any distraction that takes your eyes off the road is a bad thing Just feel there are greater evils out there in the world of driving than this particular issue ... Tell that to someone who's lost a child because some other driver was answering a call instead of having their full attention on the road... Or turning round chastising their own screaming child ... the number of times I scarily witness this on the roads ... anything that takes your eyes off the road is bad" Totally agree | |||
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"This was my self same thought ... Having a conversation with someone in a car .... whether they are there or not ... still a distraction? Our is there something about the non presence of the person that is more distracting? What about screaming kids in the back ... ban those too? Driving had many distractions ... like driving through town on a hot day ... damn those skirts, ban those too
I take the same view as RoSPA and the IAM.
How many times have you seen a driver chatting away to a passenger; every time they speak they turn their head towards the passenger.
10 seconds of dialogue and you've travelled 450 feet without a clue what's going on in front of you. "I am with the forumite here Op. What is driving, it's for getting to a to B without a crash any eyes of the road you could cause an accident | |||
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"I think it's a good thing. If you can't leave your phone alone whilst you're driving there's something wrong. Too many people die on the roads cos people are fannying about with their mobiles! "
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"In the dim and distant past I could dial a number on my phone or change the music I was listening to all by touch in my car Try that without looking with touchscreens. It's touch screens that need banning." Definitely ... who thought that putting touch screens in cars was a good idea??? If you have to interact with the in car systems ... buttons and thumb rollers on the steering wheel had surely got to be a far better human machine interface The long and the short is... with the best will in the world, drivers will always be distracted at some point, and sometimes the consequences will be dire Better training, continuous assessment, would these be better things to focus on to improve safety on our roads? | |||
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"It’s just another hit at drivers and yet more cash from fines. How can talking hands free be any different from talking to a passenger in the car or having kids in the back. Are radios going to be banned next it’s total bull shit It's a hit particularly at the self-employed. They say drivers should pull over every time to take a call. As i said, i don't think they live in the real world." They should try and invent something that would take messages when people can't answer the phone. | |||
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"It’s just another hit at drivers and yet more cash from fines. How can talking hands free be any different from talking to a passenger in the car or having kids in the back. Are radios going to be banned next it’s total bull shit It's a hit particularly at the self-employed. They say drivers should pull over every time to take a call. As i said, i don't think they live in the real world. They should try and invent something that would take messages when people can't answer the phone. "  | |||
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"In the dim and distant past I could dial a number on my phone or change the music I was listening to all by touch in my car Try that without looking with touchscreens. It's touch screens that need banning. Definitely ... who thought that putting touch screens in cars was a good idea??? If you have to interact with the in car systems ... buttons and thumb rollers on the steering wheel had surely got to be a far better human machine interface The long and the short is... with the best will in the world, drivers will always be distracted at some point, and sometimes the consequences will be dire Better training, continuous assessment, would these be better things to focus on to improve safety on our roads?" I agree about better training and assessment. People do one test at a young age, but 30 years later still driving around having forgotten many aspects. Car design should also be sorted. Too many buttons to distract the driver. | |||
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"Road safety campaigners are now calling for a complete ban on any kind of mobile phone use while driving citing a driver's inability to multitask as the reason. Does this mean they think we should also not listen to music, speak to passengers or enjoy a coffee too? They back this up with the spurious claim that we managed without them 30 years ago so ee can do without them now. I don't think these people live in the real world. The same thing can be daid for many things. Clearly texting while driving is an act of madness but this is a ridiculous step too far." it will be about money but using the safety aspect as it's conscience but it is true to say that a phone call even hands free is very distracting your attention and thought is taken elsewhere any distraction of a bad driver and let's face it their are many is not to be encouraged  | |||
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"I think hands free should be banned. Talking on the phone is different to talking in person. People concentrate more on a phone call often to the exclusion of all else. Pedestrians are often completely unaware of their surroundings while using their phone hands free, walking into the road without looking, stopping, meandering all over. I've noticed drivers do the same. I also think looking at your passenger while talking to them should be banned and wearing earbuds. " Pedestrians should definitely also be banned from using phones near roads. There was a story recently where a woman was looking at her phone and walked out into the road. A cyclist hit her because she walked straight out in front of him. *He* got sued!! | |||
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"In the dim and distant past I could dial a number on my phone or change the music I was listening to all by touch in my car Try that without looking with touchscreens. It's touch screens that need banning. Definitely ... who thought that putting touch screens in cars was a good idea??? If you have to interact with the in car systems ... buttons and thumb rollers on the steering wheel had surely got to be a far better human machine interface The long and the short is... with the best will in the world, drivers will always be distracted at some point, and sometimes the consequences will be dire Better training, continuous assessment, would these be better things to focus on to improve safety on our roads?" A massive yes to this, particularly the last paragraph. I find it odd that any form of training and improvement is wholly voluntary. Let's start teaching people how to drive, not how to pass a test.... | |||
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" As it sits the phraseology of the law is an ass. You could use a calculator but not the calculator on your phone. " Using a calculator whilst driving would be covered by driving without due care and attention. | |||
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"I think hands free should be banned. Talking on the phone is different to talking in person. People concentrate more on a phone call often to the exclusion of all else. Pedestrians are often completely unaware of their surroundings while using their phone hands free, walking into the road without looking, stopping, meandering all over. I've noticed drivers do the same. I also think looking at your passenger while talking to them should be banned and wearing earbuds. Pedestrians should definitely also be banned from using phones near roads. There was a story recently where a woman was looking at her phone and walked out into the road. A cyclist hit her because she walked straight out in front of him. *He* got sued!! " Yes, I didn't understand that. A teenager was killed after walking directly in front of a bus while on their phone near here  | |||
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"It’s just another hit at drivers and yet more cash from fines. How can talking hands free be any different from talking to a passenger in the car or having kids in the back. Are radios going to be banned next it’s total bull shit It's a hit particularly at the self-employed. They say drivers should pull over every time to take a call. As i said, i don't think they live in the real world. They should try and invent something that would take messages when people can't answer the phone. "  isn’t that answer phone  | |||
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"In the dim and distant past I could dial a number on my phone or change the music I was listening to all by touch in my car Try that without looking with touchscreens. It's touch screens that need banning. Definitely ... who thought that putting touch screens in cars was a good idea??? If you have to interact with the in car systems ... buttons and thumb rollers on the steering wheel had surely got to be a far better human machine interface The long and the short is... with the best will in the world, drivers will always be distracted at some point, and sometimes the consequences will be dire Better training, continuous assessment, would these be better things to focus on to improve safety on our roads? A massive yes to this, particularly the last paragraph. I find it odd that any form of training and improvement is wholly voluntary. Let's start teaching people how to drive, not how to pass a test.... " Rebellious here ... but ... User aviation as an example, pilots are continuously assessed ... their hours monitored, only allowed to fly what they are type certified to do. A system for drivers where you have to maintain a certain number of hours... bi annual assessment ... competency assessment ... hazard perception testing ... continuous driving development ... there are many ways to improve things The laws are currently clear for careless driving, dangerous driving, due care and attention etc etc ... unfortunately these are reactive not proactive, invariably it only becomes an issue AFTER an incident had occurred It needs a step change in the driver's mindset | |||
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"In the dim and distant past I could dial a number on my phone or change the music I was listening to all by touch in my car Try that without looking with touchscreens. It's touch screens that need banning. Definitely ... who thought that putting touch screens in cars was a good idea??? If you have to interact with the in car systems ... buttons and thumb rollers on the steering wheel had surely got to be a far better human machine interface The long and the short is... with the best will in the world, drivers will always be distracted at some point, and sometimes the consequences will be dire Better training, continuous assessment, would these be better things to focus on to improve safety on our roads? A massive yes to this, particularly the last paragraph. I find it odd that any form of training and improvement is wholly voluntary. Let's start teaching people how to drive, not how to pass a test.... Rebellious here ... but ... User aviation as an example, pilots are continuously assessed ... their hours monitored, only allowed to fly what they are type certified to do. A system for drivers where you have to maintain a certain number of hours... bi annual assessment ... competency assessment ... hazard perception testing ... continuous driving development ... there are many ways to improve things The laws are currently clear for careless driving, dangerous driving, due care and attention etc etc ... unfortunately these are reactive not proactive, invariably it only becomes an issue AFTER an incident had occurred It needs a step change in the driver's mindset" Preach. I should probably stay away from threads like these, highly emotive from a personal and professional perspective. Too many people have too high a regard for their own competence. It's all too often the victims of their arrogance who pay the price. I'm out before I'm wandering in the wilderness for a few days trying to "find myself". | |||
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"I think the general standard of driving needs to be looked at more urgently than chasing phone usage they have had impact on people using a phone without hands free how are they going to police using one hands free.yet general poor driving never gets looked at.i blame the car maker's with too many driving aids people rely on the car to do the work for them " Change air bags for spikes and people would take a lot more care.  | |||
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"OP, how would you feel if one of your kids was killed by a distracted driver on a mobile phone ? I think you'd be the first one calling for mobile phone use in cars to be banned. I know I would be up in arms about it. To be fair I think it is a sensible law and would make policing much much easier." Using emotion is a way of getting laws like this passed. If that happened and the driver was using hands free i'd blame the driver, not the technology. If this goes through one has to wonder where it will stop. Should we be forced to install sound proof screens behind the front seats to block out screaming kids, do away with our stereos and refreshments, sit in complete silence and not utter a leep to our passengers? What about all the accidents caused by wasps? Should we ban drivers from having their windows open? We have to keep a level head and be sensible and accept that not all risk can be eradicated. | |||
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" As it sits the phraseology of the law is an ass. You could use a calculator but not the calculator on your phone. Using a calculator whilst driving would be covered by driving without due care and attention." And theirs no sums that couldn't wait till you stop. | |||
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"OP, how would you feel if one of your kids was killed by a distracted driver on a mobile phone ? I think you'd be the first one calling for mobile phone use in cars to be banned. I know I would be up in arms about it. To be fair I think it is a sensible law and would make policing much much easier. Using emotion is a way of getting laws like this passed. If that happened and the driver was using hands free i'd blame the driver, not the technology. If this goes through one has to wonder where it will stop. Should we be forced to install sound proof screens behind the front seats to block out screaming kids, do away with our stereos and refreshments, sit in complete silence and not utter a leep to our passengers? What about all the accidents caused by wasps? Should we ban drivers from having their windows open? We have to keep a level head and be sensible and accept that not all risk can be eradicated." whilst i agree not ALL risks CAN be eradicated some certainly can! I use an i phone which blocks all texts and calls whilst i am driving sending a message telling the texter that i will get their message when i stop driving! and those of you that HAVE to discuss trivial matters whilst driving will have to live with the consequences should you be involved in an accident whist distracted! Sadly we live in a society that is ruled by phone use, many do not even have the courtesy to get off their phone whilst paying for their goods in a shop!!!! ( rant over!)  | |||
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"OP, how would you feel if one of your kids was killed by a distracted driver on a mobile phone ? I think you'd be the first one calling for mobile phone use in cars to be banned. I know I would be up in arms about it. To be fair I think it is a sensible law and would make policing much much easier. Using emotion is a way of getting laws like this passed. If that happened and the driver was using hands free i'd blame the driver, not the technology. If this goes through one has to wonder where it will stop. Should we be forced to install sound proof screens behind the front seats to block out screaming kids, do away with our stereos and refreshments, sit in complete silence and not utter a leep to our passengers? What about all the accidents caused by wasps? Should we ban drivers from having their windows open? We have to keep a level head and be sensible and accept that not all risk can be eradicated. whilst i agree not ALL risks CAN be eradicated some certainly can! I use an i phone which blocks all texts and calls whilst i am driving sending a message telling the texter that i will get their message when i stop driving! and those of you that HAVE to discuss trivial matters whilst driving will have to live with the consequences should you be involved in an accident whist distracted! Sadly we live in a society that is ruled by phone use, many do not even have the courtesy to get off their phone whilst paying for their goods in a shop!!!! ( rant over!) "I do that all the time, I even pause randomly too go 'yah? Yah? Omg lol' while I've got my card just teasingly close to the chip and pin machine, especially if theirs a load of people waiting and one till on.  | |||
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"OP, how would you feel if one of your kids was killed by a distracted driver on a mobile phone ? I think you'd be the first one calling for mobile phone use in cars to be banned. I know I would be up in arms about it. To be fair I think it is a sensible law and would make policing much much easier. Using emotion is a way of getting laws like this passed. If that happened and the driver was using hands free i'd blame the driver, not the technology. If this goes through one has to wonder where it will stop. Should we be forced to install sound proof screens behind the front seats to block out screaming kids, do away with our stereos and refreshments, sit in complete silence and not utter a leep to our passengers? What about all the accidents caused by wasps? Should we ban drivers from having their windows open? We have to keep a level head and be sensible and accept that not all risk can be eradicated. whilst i agree not ALL risks CAN be eradicated some certainly can! I use an i phone which blocks all texts and calls whilst i am driving sending a message telling the texter that i will get their message when i stop driving! and those of you that HAVE to discuss trivial matters whilst driving will have to live with the consequences should you be involved in an accident whist distracted! Sadly we live in a society that is ruled by phone use, many do not even have the courtesy to get off their phone whilst paying for their goods in a shop!!!! ( rant over!) "Don't peak before Thursday!!! | |||
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"Is it more distracting than using a touchscreen to change your satnav route, then navigating back one submenu to change the radio station? What’s the difference between doing these things in a car with a touchscreen and on a phone? Maybe better to enforce the “driving without due care” instead of bringing in additional laws?" Is this one of those sat navs that invariably warn you about using one while driving?  | |||
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"OP, how would you feel if one of your kids was killed by a distracted driver on a mobile phone ? I think you'd be the first one calling for mobile phone use in cars to be banned. I know I would be up in arms about it. To be fair I think it is a sensible law and would make policing much much easier. Using emotion is a way of getting laws like this passed. If that happened and the driver was using hands free i'd blame the driver, not the technology. If this goes through one has to wonder where it will stop. Should we be forced to install sound proof screens behind the front seats to block out screaming kids, do away with our stereos and refreshments, sit in complete silence and not utter a leep to our passengers? What about all the accidents caused by wasps? Should we ban drivers from having their windows open? We have to keep a level head and be sensible and accept that not all risk can be eradicated. whilst i agree not ALL risks CAN be eradicated some certainly can! I use an i phone which blocks all texts and calls whilst i am driving sending a message telling the texter that i will get their message when i stop driving! and those of you that HAVE to discuss trivial matters whilst driving will have to live with the consequences should you be involved in an accident whist distracted! Sadly we live in a society that is ruled by phone use, many do not even have the courtesy to get off their phone whilst paying for their goods in a shop!!!! ( rant over!)
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on "As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list. | |||
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"OP, how would you feel if one of your kids was killed by a distracted driver on a mobile phone ? I think you'd be the first one calling for mobile phone use in cars to be banned. I know I would be up in arms about it. To be fair I think it is a sensible law and would make policing much much easier. Using emotion is a way of getting laws like this passed. If that happened and the driver was using hands free i'd blame the driver, not the technology. If this goes through one has to wonder where it will stop. Should we be forced to install sound proof screens behind the front seats to block out screaming kids, do away with our stereos and refreshments, sit in complete silence and not utter a leep to our passengers? What about all the accidents caused by wasps? Should we ban drivers from having their windows open? We have to keep a level head and be sensible and accept that not all risk can be eradicated. whilst i agree not ALL risks CAN be eradicated some certainly can! I use an i phone which blocks all texts and calls whilst i am driving sending a message telling the texter that i will get their message when i stop driving! and those of you that HAVE to discuss trivial matters whilst driving will have to live with the consequences should you be involved in an accident whist distracted! Sadly we live in a society that is ruled by phone use, many do not even have the courtesy to get off their phone whilst paying for their goods in a shop!!!! ( rant over!)
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"OP, how would you feel if one of your kids was killed by a distracted driver on a mobile phone ? I think you'd be the first one calling for mobile phone use in cars to be banned. I know I would be up in arms about it. To be fair I think it is a sensible law and would make policing much much easier. Using emotion is a way of getting laws like this passed. If that happened and the driver was using hands free i'd blame the driver, not the technology. If this goes through one has to wonder where it will stop. Should we be forced to install sound proof screens behind the front seats to block out screaming kids, do away with our stereos and refreshments, sit in complete silence and not utter a leep to our passengers? What about all the accidents caused by wasps? Should we ban drivers from having their windows open? We have to keep a level head and be sensible and accept that not all risk can be eradicated. whilst i agree not ALL risks CAN be eradicated some certainly can! I use an i phone which blocks all texts and calls whilst i am driving sending a message telling the texter that i will get their message when i stop driving! and those of you that HAVE to discuss trivial matters whilst driving will have to live with the consequences should you be involved in an accident whist distracted! Sadly we live in a society that is ruled by phone use, many do not even have the courtesy to get off their phone whilst paying for their goods in a shop!!!! ( rant over!)
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Ooo I salivate in anticipation "I often make men salivate!!! and occasionally scream in pain too!!!!!! lol | |||
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"... phone whilst paying for their goods in a shop!!!! ( rant over!)
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list."Hey better to miss them I say, most accidents can be attributed to lack of concentration and driving requires attention put it in boot on silent until you get to your destination it's the only way | |||
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list.Hey better to miss them I say, most accidents can be attributed to lack of concentration and driving requires attention put it in boot on silent until you get to your destination it's the only way "First it has to be proved that hands free is responsible. There's a huge distinction between accidents that occur while the diver is using hands free and accidents that are actually the result of it. | |||
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list.Hey better to miss them I say, most accidents can be attributed to lack of concentration and driving requires attention put it in boot on silent until you get to your destination it's the only way
First it has to be proved that hands free is responsible. There's a huge distinction between accidents that occur while the diver is using hands free and accidents that are actually the result of it. "cmon you know yourself it's a major contributor, I understand the business phone call thing but it's getting ridiculous I see women and men texting while driving just put it in boot how long are you driving for not long normally I bet | |||
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"They should also ban talking with passengers in the vehicle. " I think a form of vehicle where you have just the operator and a real vested interest in concentrating fully on the road would be a good idea ... Wait ... that's a motorbike isn't it?? | |||
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list.Hey better to miss them I say, most accidents can be attributed to lack of concentration and driving requires attention put it in boot on silent until you get to your destination it's the only way
First it has to be proved that hands free is responsible. There's a huge distinction between accidents that occur while the diver is using hands free and accidents that are actually the result of it. "Well it HAS already , repeatedly illustrated driving and talking hands free , on a driving obstacle course that it is equal or worse than the observed results after a person has consumed alcohol to be just over limit !!!! Deny it all you want , the fact is talking, listening and thinking about anything else other than the job in hand causes distraction We get away mostly with driving on autopilot, however it's not the preferred state I would like to drive in or have coming within 6 inches at 60 in opposite directions or at a junction Yes I'm too a risk taker who indeed drinks ,talks, dreams, and hands free However I'd be a fool in denial if I could not admit they are not beneficial to safety | |||
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list.Hey better to miss them I say, most accidents can be attributed to lack of concentration and driving requires attention put it in boot on silent until you get to your destination it's the only way
First it has to be proved that hands free is responsible. There's a huge distinction between accidents that occur while the diver is using hands free and accidents that are actually the result of it.
Well it HAS already , repeatedly illustrated driving and talking hands free , on a driving obstacle course that it is equal or worse than the observed results after a person has consumed alcohol to be just over limit !!!!
Deny it all you want , the fact is talking, listening and thinking about anything else other than the job in hand causes distraction
We get away mostly with driving on autopilot, however it's not the preferred state I would like to drive in or have coming within 6 inches at 60 in opposite directions or at a junction
Yes I'm too a risk taker who indeed drinks ,talks, dreams, and hands free
However I'd be a fool in denial if I could not admit they are not beneficial to safety "I agree that they're not beneficial to safety, the question is how detrimental they are to it. I'm not aware of the test, i'll have to look into it | |||
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list."Doesn't really matter how many bus stops crowded with schoolchildren you plough through, as long as Mrs Miggins gets her tap washer fixed eh? | |||
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"Does the ban include the built in hands free Bluetooth devices.? The ban includes any kind of mobile phone use." How about listening to radio or music on my earphones? | |||
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list.
Doesn't really matter how many bus stops crowded with schoolchildren you plough through, as long as Mrs Miggins gets her tap washer fixed eh?
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list.
Doesn't really matter how many bus stops crowded with schoolchildren you plough through, as long as Mrs Miggins gets her tap washer fixed eh?
Thought you were bowing out "I tried. You have no idea how hard I tried. Unfortunately I have a picture in my head that cannot be unseen. Or forgotten.... | |||
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list.
Doesn't really matter how many bus stops crowded with schoolchildren you plough through, as long as Mrs Miggins gets her tap washer fixed eh?
Thought you were bowing out
I tried.
You have no idea how hard I tried.
Unfortunately I have a picture in my head that cannot be unseen.
Or forgotten.... "Past experience does that | |||
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"Does the ban include the built in hands free Bluetooth devices.? Exactly, I use mine all the time...... Do they want to ban the stereo as well, we crnt sing in the car that's multitasking.....don't touch the sun visor or Windows.... that s multitasking......don't look at the dash clocks.....on and on and on.... Or we have to pull over every time it starts raining to switch the wipers on." Comparing apples and oranges. There’s a difference between operating the controls and being bombarded with calls and expected to answer questions while driving. I turn mine off when I’m driving. Nobody needs to speak to me that urgently that they can’t wait half an hour (or sometimes half a day) for an answer. | |||
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"What about using my blender? I usally make shakes on my way to work..." How ffs..... ? Don't lie to me now. | |||
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"Darlings, Darlings, Darlings........... Calm down. Driverless cars are a coming so - fuck it- we can use phones. We can shag on the way to work ..... Chill your beans please. Women will be able to iron on the way to work ( that tickled me )
Men can wank on the way to work or even wash their scuzzy arse holes. "Quality as always | |||
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"Darlings, Darlings, Darlings........... Calm down. Driverless cars are a coming so - fuck it- we can use phones. We can shag on the way to work ..... Chill your beans please. Women will be able to iron on the way to work ( that tickled me )
Men can wank on the way to work or even wash their scuzzy arse holes. "Do they still have the scuzzy interface?? I thought industry had moved top SATA | |||
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"In the dim and distant past I could dial a number on my phone or change the music I was listening to all by touch in my car Try that without looking with touchscreens. It's touch screens that need banning." I agree with your comment. I had a courtesy car a few weeks which had a touch screen. I hated it!! Even changing radio station was a major distraction let alone use of the phone (which I didn’t) | |||
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"Put your phone in boot sorted, whoever it is can wait, life will go on
As anyone who is self employed can attest, if you don't answer the phone chances are you've lost the business. People don't wait for you to 'get back to them', they just move on to the next one on the list.Hey better to miss them I say, most accidents can be attributed to lack of concentration and driving requires attention put it in boot on silent until you get to your destination it's the only way
First it has to be proved that hands free is responsible. There's a huge distinction between accidents that occur while the diver is using hands free and accidents that are actually the result of it. cmon you know yourself it's a major contributor, I understand the business phone call thing but it's getting ridiculous I see women and men texting while driving just put it in boot how long are you driving for not long normally I bet "this | |||
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"Its all to gain revenue full stop, more people are killed by falling off a ladder, ok some people are dim an shouldnt be on the road, those should definitely not use devices of anykind, I can use in car devices, eat talk to passengers an I could still tell you the colour and reg of the car behind, but we are sheep at the end of the day, bred to fill already full pockets and an suffer for incompetent people, that's my view anyway " Duh!!! it will only create revenue if people break the law!!!! same as any other law of the land! | |||
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"Its all to gain revenue full stop, more people are killed by falling off a ladder, ok some people are dim an shouldnt be on the road, those should definitely not use devices of anykind, I can use in car devices, eat talk to passengers an I could still tell you the colour and reg of the car behind, but we are sheep at the end of the day, bred to fill already full pockets and an suffer for incompetent people, that's my view anyway Duh!!! it will only create revenue if people break the law!!!! same as any other law of the land! "yes but that's the point most people will if it becomes law break it as they do speeding and drinking a cup of coffee or smoking while driving | |||
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"Not sure any knows this, but the police have the power to confiscate your mobile phone after an accident. To see if you were using it at the time of the accident. " And impound your car as well to check it for faults. | |||
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"Until you’ve lost a loved one in an accident (as the perpetrator likes to call it) where a mobile phone was proved to be a key contributor, you will never know OP. Seriously. There’s no phone call in the Universe that can’t wait for the next motorway junction." That's the thing though. Just because a driver has an accident while using hands free does not automatically make it to blame. It's just an easy scapegoat. | |||
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"Until you’ve lost a loved one in an accident (as the perpetrator likes to call it) where a mobile phone was proved to be a key contributor, you will never know OP. Seriously. There’s no phone call in the Universe that can’t wait for the next motorway junction. That's the thing though. Just because a driver has an accident while using hands free does not automatically make it to blame. It's just an easy scapegoat." It’s not as simple as that when it comes to convincing the Crown Prosecution Service to proceed with a case against a driver using a mobile. There’s quite a bit more to it. Let’s hope no one you care about is smashed beyond recognition in the future by someone on a mobile. Hands free or otherwise. | |||
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"Its all to gain revenue full stop, more people are killed by falling off a ladder, ok some people are dim an shouldnt be on the road, those should definitely not use devices of anykind, I can use in car devices, eat talk to passengers an I could still tell you the colour and reg of the car behind, but we are sheep at the end of the day, bred to fill already full pockets and an suffer for incompetent people, that's my view anyway Duh!!! it will only create revenue if people break the law!!!! same as any other law of the land! yes but that's the point most people will if it becomes law break it as they do speeding and drinking a cup of coffee or smoking while driving "The things is, most people don’t break these rules by | |||
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"In the dim and distant past I could dial a number on my phone or change the music I was listening to all by touch in my car Try that without looking with touchscreens. It's touch screens that need banning. I agree with your comment. I had a courtesy car a few weeks which had a touch screen. I hated it!! Even changing radio station was a major distraction let alone use of the phone (which I didn’t) " Talking professionally they are dangerous distractions and must be stopped and prevented from touch screen use , ie like a phone cannot be right now in law | |||
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"It's a good idea but who will enforce it ? The police cannot stop people using mobile phones or driving with no seat belt now , " Camera enforcement... | |||
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"How on earth would it even be detected? They only stop drivers for using a phone when they can see them doing it. How are they going to see a driver is using a Bluetooth device? Even if they have a scanner, they have to identify where the signal is coming from. This could be one of a number of cars or pedestrians or even nearby properties. What's more Bluetooth in itself isn't the point, it's using a hands free telephone so just detecting a Bluetooth transmission is not sufficient evidence on its own. The next detection system would be the driver was moving their lips. Again very hard to see in a moving vehicle and talking to a passenger or to oneself is not the offence in question. Next option is a database of who handsets are registered to so they can detect a mobile transmission near the owners vehicle. This would need to cross reference between the handset database and the dvla and would still flag up if a passenger uses the phone, or someone else were driving. Ultimately its unenforceable. " exactly and the user could have left phone at hone and lodger could be using it for a collect call to tasmania | |||
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"How on earth would it even be detected? They only stop drivers for using a phone when they can see them doing it. How are they going to see a driver is using a Bluetooth device? Even if they have a scanner, they have to identify where the signal is coming from. This could be one of a number of cars or pedestrians or even nearby properties. What's more Bluetooth in itself isn't the point, it's using a hands free telephone so just detecting a Bluetooth transmission is not sufficient evidence on its own. The next detection system would be the driver was moving their lips. Again very hard to see in a moving vehicle and talking to a passenger or to oneself is not the offence in question. Next option is a database of who handsets are registered to so they can detect a mobile transmission near the owners vehicle. This would need to cross reference between the handset database and the dvla and would still flag up if a passenger uses the phone, or someone else were driving. Ultimately its unenforceable. exactly and the user could have left phone at hone and lodger could be using it for a collect call to tasmania "home ffs | |||
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"My company banned this year’s ago. There’s no ‘need’ for anyone to do anything other than concentrate on driving when they’re behind the wheel." Because they are afraid of being held legally liable in case of an accident. Not because they are trying to save their drivers or think its unsafe. | |||
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"Cyclists are the biggest distraction on the road, because them following the rules of the road is pot luck, so they require your attention which distracts you." Hang on, watching out for vulnerable road users is a distraction? Isn't that exactly what you should be doing when driving? | |||
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"Cyclists are the biggest distraction on the road, because them following the rules of the road is pot luck, so they require your attention which distracts you. Hang on, watching out for vulnerable road users is a distraction? Isn't that exactly what you should be doing when driving? " No, you should be able to expect them not to pop on and off foot paths while you drive along. But you have to watch them, and take your eye off other vulnerable road users to do so, just because they live by their own rules. | |||
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"Cyclists are the biggest distraction on the road, because them following the rules of the road is pot luck, so they require your attention which distracts you. Hang on, watching out for vulnerable road users is a distraction? Isn't that exactly what you should be doing when driving? No, you should be able to expect them not to pop on and off foot paths while you drive along. But you have to watch them, and take your eye off other vulnerable road users to do so, just because they live by their own rules." EXACTLY THIS | |||
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"Cyclists are the biggest distraction on the road, because them following the rules of the road is pot luck, so they require your attention which distracts you. Hang on, watching out for vulnerable road users is a distraction? Isn't that exactly what you should be doing when driving? No, you should be able to expect them not to pop on and off foot paths while you drive along. But you have to watch them, and take your eye off other vulnerable road users to do so, just because they live by their own rules." Maybe if your driving is so bad that looking out for other road users is such a stress that it's not actually the other road users that are the issue? | |||
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"Cyclists are the biggest distraction on the road, because them following the rules of the road is pot luck, so they require your attention which distracts you. Hang on, watching out for vulnerable road users is a distraction? Isn't that exactly what you should be doing when driving? No, you should be able to expect them not to pop on and off foot paths while you drive along. But you have to watch them, and take your eye off other vulnerable road users to do so, just because they live by their own rules." You could say the same for pedestrians; small children or people walking dogs. In Germany (at least I think it's Germany) for instance the driver is held accountable for stopping if a pedestrian walks or falls in to the road. But as for the main point: I've got no problem with a hands free ban. If a call is that important, I'll pull over to answer it, I've done it before and it's not difficult. As a motorcyclist as well who's nearly been wiped more times than I'd like, I'm all for anything that reduces driver distraction. | |||
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"Cyclists are the biggest distraction on the road, because them following the rules of the road is pot luck, so they require your attention which distracts you." lol let's do away with personal cars and make all those who don't require a car for work use public transport it's economic friendly lol reduces Road rage | |||
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"Cyclists are the biggest distraction on the road, because them following the rules of the road is pot luck, so they require your attention which distracts you.lol let's do away with personal cars and make all those who don't require a car for work use public transport it's economic friendly lol reduces Road rage "You might be on to something there... | |||
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"Cyclists are the biggest distraction on the road, because them following the rules of the road is pot luck, so they require your attention which distracts you.lol let's do away with personal cars and make all those who don't require a car for work use public transport it's economic friendly lol reduces Road rage
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"I think if you have a bad accident they can check your phone records to see if you were on the phone.. I heard about an early morning accident once where a car was on its roof, poor driver dead and no other vehicle involved. His battery powered razor was still buzzing when they found him. " were his kecks open | |||
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"Simple solution... Ban cars and go back to horses!!!??" But what about the people texting and riding? | |||
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