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"Are you a qualified electrician? If not, good luck! "No I am not an electrician, but have done a little bit of DIY electrics over the years, and not had any problems with the stuff I have done I the past, | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?" when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool." So you want your fridge turned off whenever someone works on your boiler ... erm .. ok | |||
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"Are you a qualified electrician? If not, good luck! "No need in this case if you’re: A - careful and thorough, and B - can follow some instructions. Top tip: don’t lick the wires. | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. So you want your fridge turned off whenever someone works on your boiler ... erm .. ok" well how often do you have your boiler worked on ha ha, I might eventfully run a wire from the fuse board and have a radial circuit for these sockets. | |||
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"Does anyone know if the OP is still alive?" I was just going to ask that, hopefully he was concentrating on his electrics rather than fab. Other wise, well it would be a shocking result....
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"Does anyone know if the OP is still alive? I was just going to ask that, hopefully he was concentrating on his electrics rather than fab. Other wise, well it would be a shocking result....
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"Does anyone know if the OP is still alive? I was just going to ask that, hopefully he was concentrating on his electrics rather than fab. Other wise, well it would be a shocking result....
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool." Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool." You've some power there with a washing machine and those other devices, you sure about all that? | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice" . HUGE! are you sure? 8 amps maximum, large maybe hardly HUGE. | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice. HUGE! are you sure? 8 amps maximum, large maybe hardly HUGE." What do you base this information on? | |||
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" Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice" I thought that too, a fridge freezer hardly insignificant either, mine is 1.8kw at max load. I'm sure that the law on doing Diy electrical work says something about "competent person"? Cal | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol." I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future. | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future." Anybody can do their own work as long as a registered electrician checks it and signs it off | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future. Anybody can do their own work as long as a registered electrician checks it and signs it off" Since when ? | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future." . A criminal offence?. Which statute | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice. HUGE! are you sure? 8 amps maximum, large maybe hardly HUGE. What do you base this information on?" . Maximum power of 2000w on hear up, 2000w divided by 230v (although he's more likey to be 238v in reality) equals 8.23 amps. | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future. Anybody can do their own work as long as a registered electrician checks it and signs it off Since when ?" Since always. Same with cars and MOT tests, same with plumbing I'm an electrician.and I got a grant for a new boiler. Installed it all, did all the pipework to move the thing into an outbuilding, paid a plumber to Check it and sign it off, then got paid my grant money after building control had checked the paperwprk. I'm a qualified electrician, but not a member of a trade organisation like NICEIC or NAPIT so have to pay a registered spark to do the testing and sign it off. That's normal in my work. | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future. Anybody can do their own work as long as a registered electrician checks it and signs it off" I was just going to make that point, I don't think it is a criminal offence to work on your own property, I have been sinking the new socket boxes while thinking about whether I should make the effort to lift the floor boards to run a 20AMP radial circuit to play safe, or if I use the original socket wire, maybe fit a 13 amp fused isolation box, I believe you can do that when running a spur to multiple sockets so you can not over load the wire. | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice. ----- HUGE! are you sure? 8 amps maximum, large maybe hardly HUGE. " From memory, if the circuit is running from a single leg of 2.5mm buried in a wall then the max current is only about 14amps. With 3 double sockets there is so much potential for exceeding that, with a washer & fridge/freezer potential capable of a prolonged load of 12(ish)amps on their own. Sounds slightly worrisome to me. Cal | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice. ----- HUGE! are you sure? 8 amps maximum, large maybe hardly HUGE. From memory, if the circuit is running from a single leg of 2.5mm buried in a wall then the max current is only about 14amps. With 3 double sockets there is so much potential for exceeding that, with a washer & fridge/freezer potential capable of a prolonged load of 12(ish)amps on their own. Sounds slightly worrisome to me. Cal" . Load designates breaker and breaker designates cable. | |||
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"I'm not a qualified electrician either, but did all the wiring in the hovel we're "renovating" before having it signed off by a pukka electrician to satisfy Building Control. Our friend here is talking about having a lot more potential load on a single 13A circuit than I'd be happy with. " . There's no such thing as a 13amp circuit. 6,10,16,20,25,32 or in old money 5,15,20,32 | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice. HUGE! are you sure? 8 amps maximum, large maybe hardly HUGE. What do you base this information on?. Maximum power of 2000w on hear up, 2000w divided by 230v (although he's more likey to be 238v in reality) equals 8.23 amps." But if he's wiring 13Amp sockets to plug things into, anything could be plugged in as well as the washing machine. A quick Google search for appliance loads has a washing machine at 2200 watts and 10 amps!! If he has a 13 Amp fuse in the plug it could pull 13 amps regardless. The main consideration is that the cable can handle the amps, and if he's running a single 2.5 twin and earth rather than 2 as a ring off a 32 amp breaker then that's starting to look a bit scary. | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice. ----- HUGE! are you sure? 8 amps maximum, large maybe hardly HUGE. -----'x From memory, if the circuit is running from a single leg of 2.5mm buried in a wall then the max current is only about 14amps. With 3 double sockets there is so much potential for exceeding that, with a washer & fridge/freezer potential capable of a prolonged load of 12(ish)amps on their own. Sounds slightly worrisome to me. Cal. ----- Load designates breaker and breaker designates cable." Yes it should, but not with the OPs suggested plan. Cal | |||
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"Add a spur or into the ring? Hmm ... Kitchen ... part P?when I had my combi boiler installed I got the electrician to install a socket in my kitchen as he had the floor board up above the kitchen, so it is actually on the same breaker as the boiler, I then spured of that socket for power into the outhouse, so I am just going to take the power from that original socket, I know it shouldn't really be on the boiler circuit, but it will not be drawing much power, just a fridge and washing machine, and odd kitchen power tool. Woah!!! I'm a qualified electrician..first problem, washing machine is a HUGE load... PM me for some advice. ----- HUGE! are you sure? 8 amps maximum, large maybe hardly HUGE. -----'x From memory, if the circuit is running from a single leg of 2.5mm buried in a wall then the max current is only about 14amps. With 3 double sockets there is so much potential for exceeding that, with a washer & fridge/freezer potential capable of a prolonged load of 12(ish)amps on their own. Sounds slightly worrisome to me. Cal. ----- Load designates breaker and breaker designates cable. Yes it should, but not with the OPs suggested plan. Cal" . He's taken into account load, 3 items running under 16amps, breaker 16 amp, cable 2.5. The socket faces are problematic but he could use fused spurs to get round it. The real issue is shut off time and length of cable | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future.. A criminal offence?. Which statute" The site won't allow me to link to it. But if you google "is it a criminal offence to do your own electrics in a rented house" The very first answer is "The regulations Explained" Click on it and you will clearly se it says it's a criminal offence. | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future.. A criminal offence?. Which statute The site won't allow me to link to it. But if you google "is it a criminal offence to do your own electrics in a rented house" The very first answer is "The regulations Explained" Click on it and you will clearly se it says it's a criminal offence." Legally, you would need the landlords permission and a trade registered electrician to sign off any work done. | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future. Anybody can do their own work as long as a registered electrician checks it and signs it offI was just going to make that point, I don't think it is a criminal offence to work on your own property, I have been sinking the new socket boxes while thinking about whether I should make the effort to lift the floor boards to run a 20AMP radial circuit to play safe, or if I use the original socket wire, maybe fit a 13 amp fused isolation box, I believe you can do that when running a spur to multiple sockets so you can not over load the wire." I never said it was a criminal offence to work on your own property, i said it was on a rented property. I don't actually know even one sparks that would issue a certificate for another sparks work. In fact it's actively discouraged by the NICEIC. | |||
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"My wife told me I was useless at fixing electrical appliances, .. . . . . Well shes in for a shock " LMAO!! I just sprayed my coffee across the lounge!! | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future. Anybody can do their own work as long as a registered electrician checks it and signs it offI was just going to make that point, I don't think it is a criminal offence to work on your own property, I have been sinking the new socket boxes while thinking about whether I should make the effort to lift the floor boards to run a 20AMP radial circuit to play safe, or if I use the original socket wire, maybe fit a 13 amp fused isolation box, I believe you can do that when running a spur to multiple sockets so you can not over load the wire. I never said it was a criminal offence to work on your own property, i said it was on a rented property. I don't actually know even one sparks that would issue a certificate for another sparks work. In fact it's actively discouraged by the NICEIC." As a qualified electrician it's day to day life. Many sparks working for 1 company, maybe only 2 sparks qualified to test. Any sparks can do the work, but only 2 guys on the firm can test it and sign it off. It's normal. Many industrial/commercial sparks do domestic jobs at the weekend and pay the testing sparks to sign them off. I did some mods to the electrics in a house once that was having a new kitchen fitted. The kitchen fitter chippies had just done a weeks course on testing electrics for Part P, so they could test their own electrical mods in the kitchens they fitted!! In this one house I did the electrical mods in the kitchen for the homeowner who was a friend of mine. I'm not qualified to sign it off under Part P but the chippies fitting the kitchen were after a 1 week course!! They didn't know how to use their own electrical test meters, so I showed them how to use their new meters, tested my own work with them and a chippy signed it off!!! | |||
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"Well this one has got everyone talking, Point one I am 99.9% sure if it is your own property you can do what ever you want including a full rewire if your confident in your ability to do it, they would just strongly recommend that you have it inspected by an electrician when you have completed the work. I watch a lot of Electricians on youtube and they run 20amp radial circuits, I believe a 2.5 cable can handle a load of about 23 amps without being over loaded ?? I have sunken the 3 new socket boxes, and still contemplating whether to lift the floor boards to run a 20amp radial circuit from the consumer unit, or I could just use the socket wire as planned and put a 13amp fused spur in first so it cant be over loaded as the fuse would blow first, I was told you can do that on a spur now so you can fit a lot of socket knowing it cant over load." For a 2.5mm radial run it off a 16 Amp mcb. Connecting the washing machine via a 13 AMP fused spur would be great, rather than a plug and socket. Or run a 4.0mm cable from the board with a double socket at the washing machine off a 25 Amp mcb Or ditto with a 6.0mm cable off a 32 amp mcb, but the 6.0 would probably be too big to terminate in the double socket | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future. Anybody can do their own work as long as a registered electrician checks it and signs it offI was just going to make that point, I don't think it is a criminal offence to work on your own property, I have been sinking the new socket boxes while thinking about whether I should make the effort to lift the floor boards to run a 20AMP radial circuit to play safe, or if I use the original socket wire, maybe fit a 13 amp fused isolation box, I believe you can do that when running a spur to multiple sockets so you can not over load the wire. I never said it was a criminal offence to work on your own property, i said it was on a rented property. I don't actually know even one sparks that would issue a certificate for another sparks work. In fact it's actively discouraged by the NICEIC. As a qualified electrician it's day to day life. Many sparks working for 1 company, maybe only 2 sparks qualified to test. Any sparks can do the work, but only 2 guys on the firm can test it and sign it off. It's normal. Many industrial/commercial sparks do domestic jobs at the weekend and pay the testing sparks to sign them off. I did some mods to the electrics in a house once that was having a new kitchen fitted. The kitchen fitter chippies had just done a weeks course on testing electrics for Part P, so they could test their own electrical mods in the kitchens they fitted!! In this one house I did the electrical mods in the kitchen for the homeowner who was a friend of mine. I'm not qualified to sign it off under Part P but the chippies fitting the kitchen were after a 1 week course!! They didn't know how to use their own electrical test meters, so I showed them how to use their new meters, tested my own work with them and a chippy signed it off!!! " I had a quick look one at the part P training, is this meant for electricians or could a DIY'er do this training, if they can how long is the part P course, and what would you then be qualified to do. ? | |||
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"Well this one has got everyone talking, Point one I am 99.9% sure if it is your own property you can do what ever you want including a full rewire if your confident in your ability to do it, they would just strongly recommend that you have it inspected by an electrician when you have completed the work. I watch a lot of Electricians on youtube and they run 20amp radial circuits, I believe a 2.5 cable can handle a load of about 23 amps without being over loaded ?? I have sunken the 3 new socket boxes, and still contemplating whether to lift the floor boards to run a 20amp radial circuit from the consumer unit, or I could just use the socket wire as planned and put a 13amp fused spur in first so it cant be over loaded as the fuse would blow first, I was told you can do that on a spur now so you can fit a lot of socket knowing it cant over load." This is sort of typical of peeps that watch youtube to solve diy issues when the youtuber has no idea on what the regs say. To give you an example from you own post " use the socket wire as planned and put a 13amp fused spur in first so it cant be over loaded as the fuse would blow first" It's well known that most 13amp fuses will not blow until 20amp or loaded above that. Second, most diy peeps think that a fuse is there to protect the appliance plugged into it. it's not, it's there to protect the cables that are connected to the appliance. In the same way that RCD's are in the consumer unit to protect the cables that run to the sockets. | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future.. A criminal offence?. Which statute The site won't allow me to link to it. But if you google "is it a criminal offence to do your own electrics in a rented house" The very first answer is "The regulations Explained" Click on it and you will clearly se it says it's a criminal offence." . Well I used to work in the criminal offence department and I can categorically tell you that's bollocks, there's statute for working on gas maybe you've confused the two?. In fact you don't even need to be a qualified to work on electrics hence you'll see the wording "this should be carried out by a competent person". The IEE wiring regulations are non statutory there guidance notes. Of course if you kill somebody in your actions you would have to defend yourself in a court of law on why you didn't take the guidance into account. | |||
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"Well the job for today, is to remove one double socket from the kitchen, then install some new 2.5 wires to install 3 new sockets so I can move things around in the kitchen, new location for the fridge, and new socket to have my washing machine in the kitchen at last instead of having it in the outhouse, and another double socket above it at work top height, lets see how it goes lol. I take it this is your own house ? that is you do own it or have a mortgage on it ? I also take it you are a registered electrician ? If none of the above and you do the suggested work, it's a criminal offence. If you are just not a registered electrician, then you won't go to jail................but you can wave goodby to being able to sell your house in the future. Anybody can do their own work as long as a registered electrician checks it and signs it offI was just going to make that point, I don't think it is a criminal offence to work on your own property, I have been sinking the new socket boxes while thinking about whether I should make the effort to lift the floor boards to run a 20AMP radial circuit to play safe, or if I use the original socket wire, maybe fit a 13 amp fused isolation box, I believe you can do that when running a spur to multiple sockets so you can not over load the wire. I never said it was a criminal offence to work on your own property, i said it was on a rented property. I don't actually know even one sparks that would issue a certificate for another sparks work. In fact it's actively discouraged by the NICEIC. As a qualified electrician it's day to day life. Many sparks working for 1 company, maybe only 2 sparks qualified to test. Any sparks can do the work, but only 2 guys on the firm can test it and sign it off. It's normal. Many industrial/commercial sparks do domestic jobs at the weekend and pay the testing sparks to sign them off. I did some mods to the electrics in a house once that was having a new kitchen fitted. The kitchen fitter chippies had just done a weeks course on testing electrics for Part P, so they could test their own electrical mods in the kitchens they fitted!! In this one house I did the electrical mods in the kitchen for the homeowner who was a friend of mine. I'm not qualified to sign it off under Part P but the chippies fitting the kitchen were after a 1 week course!! They didn't know how to use their own electrical test meters, so I showed them how to use their new meters, tested my own work with them and a chippy signed it off!!! I had a quick look one at the part P training, is this meant for electricians or could a DIY'er do this training, if they can how long is the part P course, and what would you then be qualified to do. ?" I see your thinking, but regardless of that you'll need to spend a few hundred on test meters, which need to be kept in regular calibration, membership of a recognised trade organisation, which is a few hundred a year and they demand to see 1 or 2 of your completed electrical jobs each year, which is why us smaller sparks pay the registered tester sparks to test and sign the jobs off. Before I left England 6 years ago I was paying around £120 to test and sign off complete 3 bedroom houses. I was charging 20 an hour for my hands on work while the bigger guys that are big enough to register their businesses and able to test were charging 30 an hour. It should go without saying that ANYONE can wire, how do you think electricians mates and helpers fit in, as long as the work passes the proper test. When I did my boiler replacement it took me a lot of ringing around to find a registered plumber to sign it off as most are not registered to do it. Cost me 50 quid and he said my work was better than most plumbers!! I'm currently building an extension on my cottage, bricklaying at the moment, and doing everything via my local building control guy. He comes out to me every time I call him with so many silly little questions, literally half an hour after I ring him. All this for a 1 off fee of £120 when I submitted the plans. | |||
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"My wife told me I was useless at fixing electrical appliances, .. . . Well shes in for a shock LMAO!! I just sprayed my coffee across the lounge!! "Brilliant!! Do we know if OP is still alive? Has the house burnt down? Has his mother in law switched on the load-heavy washing machine and met her maker???? This is better than Eastenders, Neighbours, Corrie and Home & Away! | |||
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"My wife told me I was useless at fixing electrical appliances, .. . . Well shes in for a shock LMAO!! I just sprayed my coffee across the lounge!!
Brilliant!!
Do we know if OP is still alive? Has the house burnt down? Has his mother in law switched on the load-heavy washing machine and met her maker????
This is better than Eastenders, Neighbours, Corrie and Home & Away! "I'll have to attend the Soap Awards next year for my prize then will I  | |||
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"Well this one has got everyone talking, Point one I am 99.9% sure if it is your own property you can do what ever you want including a full rewire if your confident in your ability to do it, they would just strongly recommend that you have it inspected by an electrician when you have completed the work. I watch a lot of Electricians on youtube and they run 20amp radial circuits, I believe a 2.5 cable can handle a load of about 23 amps without being over loaded ?? I have sunken the 3 new socket boxes, and still contemplating whether to lift the floor boards to run a 20amp radial circuit from the consumer unit, or I could just use the socket wire as planned and put a 13amp fused spur in first so it cant be over loaded as the fuse would blow first, I was told you can do that on a spur now so you can fit a lot of socket knowing it cant over load. This is sort of typical of peeps that watch youtube to solve diy issues when the youtuber has no idea on what the regs say. To give you an example from you own post " use the socket wire as planned and put a 13amp fused spur in first so it cant be over loaded as the fuse would blow first" It's well known that most 13amp fuses will not blow until 20amp or loaded above that. Second, most diy peeps think that a fuse is there to protect the appliance plugged into it. it's not, it's there to protect the cables that are connected to the appliance. In the same way that RCD's are in the consumer unit to protect the cables that run to the sockets." ok good point about the fuse maybe not blowing at 13 amps, so maybe fit a 10 amp instead. I would disagree about the fuse in the plug being there to protect the wires and not the electrical item, the MCB is there to protect the wires from over loading, I am a school caretaker and have been sent a few years ago to do the portable appliance testing course, to save the school having to pay a contractor to come in every year, and in the course they point out that most people put a 13 amp fuse in everything, but what you should actually do is look at how much power the item use's then divide that by 240 and that will give you the correct size fuse for that item, so it will blow before damaging the item in the event of a power surge, For example my kettle is 3000w divide by 240 = 12.5amps so you would fit a 13 amp fuse, but if the item was only 1100w = 4.5amp so you would go to the nearest rated fuse which would be 5amp, something for everyone to look at in their homes, because its true everyone just thinks you stick a 13amp fuse in everything. | |||
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"Well this one has got everyone talking, Point one I am 99.9% sure if it is your own property you can do what ever you want including a full rewire if your confident in your ability to do it, they would just strongly recommend that you have it inspected by an electrician when you have completed the work. I watch a lot of Electricians on youtube and they run 20amp radial circuits, I believe a 2.5 cable can handle a load of about 23 amps without being over loaded ?? I have sunken the 3 new socket boxes, and still contemplating whether to lift the floor boards to run a 20amp radial circuit from the consumer unit, or I could just use the socket wire as planned and put a 13amp fused spur in first so it cant be over loaded as the fuse would blow first, I was told you can do that on a spur now so you can fit a lot of socket knowing it cant over load. This is sort of typical of peeps that watch youtube to solve diy issues when the youtuber has no idea on what the regs say. To give you an example from you own post " use the socket wire as planned and put a 13amp fused spur in first so it cant be over loaded as the fuse would blow first" It's well known that most 13amp fuses will not blow until 20amp or loaded above that. Second, most diy peeps think that a fuse is there to protect the appliance plugged into it. it's not, it's there to protect the cables that are connected to the appliance. In the same way that RCD's are in the consumer unit to protect the cables that run to the sockets.ok good point about the fuse maybe not blowing at 13 amps, so maybe fit a 10 amp instead. I would disagree about the fuse in the plug being there to protect the wires and not the electrical item, the MCB is there to protect the wires from over loading, I am a school caretaker and have been sent a few years ago to do the portable appliance testing course, to save the school having to pay a contractor to come in every year, and in the course they point out that most people put a 13 amp fuse in everything, but what you should actually do is look at how much power the item use's then divide that by 240 and that will give you the correct size fuse for that item, so it will blow before damaging the item in the event of a power surge, For example my kettle is 3000w divide by 240 = 12.5amps so you would fit a 13 amp fuse, but if the item was only 1100w = 4.5amp so you would go to the nearest rated fuse which would be 5amp, something for everyone to look at in their homes, because its true everyone just thinks you stick a 13amp fuse in everything." One of my pet hates is that ALL 13 Amp plugs and fused spurs come with the biggest fuse possible, being a 13 Amp. Meaning most people just fit these without even thinking or know to put a lesser sized fuse in!! They should all be sold with the smallest 3 amp fuse in and the buyer advised what size fuse should be required according to the appliance that they plan to plug the plug onto will draw. Most appliances only need a 3 Amp fuse and the flex alone often couldn't even handle 13 Amps!! | |||
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"Well this one has got everyone talking, Point one I am 99.9% sure if it is your own property you can do what ever you want including a full rewire if your confident in your ability to do it, they would just strongly recommend that you have it inspected by an electrician when you have completed the work. I watch a lot of Electricians on youtube and they run 20amp radial circuits, I believe a 2.5 cable can handle a load of about 23 amps without being over loaded ?? I have sunken the 3 new socket boxes, and still contemplating whether to lift the floor boards to run a 20amp radial circuit from the consumer unit, or I could just use the socket wire as planned and put a 13amp fused spur in first so it cant be over loaded as the fuse would blow first, I was told you can do that on a spur now so you can fit a lot of socket knowing it cant over load. This is sort of typical of peeps that watch youtube to solve diy issues when the youtuber has no idea on what the regs say. To give you an example from you own post " use the socket wire as planned and put a 13amp fused spur in first so it cant be over loaded as the fuse would blow first" It's well known that most 13amp fuses will not blow until 20amp or loaded above that. Second, most diy peeps think that a fuse is there to protect the appliance plugged into it. it's not, it's there to protect the cables that are connected to the appliance. In the same way that RCD's are in the consumer unit to protect the cables that run to the sockets.ok good point about the fuse maybe not blowing at 13 amps, so maybe fit a 10 amp instead. I would disagree about the fuse in the plug being there to protect the wires and not the electrical item, the MCB is there to protect the wires from over loading, I am a school caretaker and have been sent a few years ago to do the portable appliance testing course, to save the school having to pay a contractor to come in every year, and in the course they point out that most people put a 13 amp fuse in everything, but what you should actually do is look at how much power the item use's then divide that by 240 and that will give you the correct size fuse for that item, so it will blow before damaging the item in the event of a power surge, For example my kettle is 3000w divide by 240 = 12.5amps so you would fit a 13 amp fuse, but if the item was only 1100w = 4.5amp so you would go to the nearest rated fuse which would be 5amp, something for everyone to look at in their homes, because its true everyone just thinks you stick a 13amp fuse in everything. One of my pet hates is that ALL 13 Amp plugs and fused spurs come with the biggest fuse possible, being a 13 Amp. Meaning most people just fit these without even thinking or know to put a lesser sized fuse in!! They should all be sold with the smallest 3 amp fuse in and the buyer advised what size fuse should be required according to the appliance that they plan to plug the plug onto will draw. Most appliances only need a 3 Amp fuse and the flex alone often couldn't even handle 13 Amps!! " I agree maybe just stick a 5 amp in the plug and just a little note included explaining how to check what size fuse items needs, its just a quick calculation. | |||
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