FabSwingers.com forum: Your thoughts on this

By *ust Rachel OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

No ... I would think they have a right to say no to anyone

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

I don't think so. I would hope it's up to her who she waxes.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

No, I imagine waxing an area you're not trained to could have painful consequences

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

I don't think a refusal would warrant a complaint.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter.

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

More to the point would any pre-op trans lady want someone untrained waxing her there !

if she was post op it may be different but pre-op I think she is perfectly entitled to say that it is outside her training and therefore refuse (politely of course).

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Away for Christmas

"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?"

Bottom line is no, everyone should have the right to refuse service to anyone else. It's free will and should not be forced to.

That does not mean the reasoning for refusal has to be morally correct or right (and that opinion will differ greatly among people).

Also so long as the refusal is polite and considerate then I don't see any issue at all and definitely no need for a complaint.

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By *WKinkMan
over a year ago

Bury

"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter. "

Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I personally wouldn't want to be waxed by someone untrained either OP. Why would you want to complain about it anyway? If she waxed you untrained then you would have cause for complaint.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was this in the news?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter.

Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis. "

I was talking generally. Why would you want your male genitals waxed by an untrained person?!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

If this is what I think it’s about then no.

Why should they be forced to touch something they didn’t train for.

The person who I believe this is about may have some legal worries of their own approaching

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"If this is what I think it’s about then no.

Why should they be forced to touch something they didn’t train for.

The person who I believe this is about may have some legal worries of their own approaching "

That doesn't sound great.

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

Obviously wasn't asked if she was ok with it before booking the appointment. I'd hate a surprise like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely sha HAS to refuse service since she isn't trained?

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?"

No, because its nothing to do with whether you are trans or not, she's not trained to deal with the male genitalia, I imagine it's a lot different and more awkward to do

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Depends on the grounds for refusal.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Surely sha HAS to refuse service since she isn't trained? "

It would be dangerous at worst and unprofessional at best to perform a service she's not trained to do. The client would have excellent grounds to sue.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?

No, because its nothing to do with whether you are trans or not, she's not trained to deal with the male genitalia, I imagine it's a lot different and more awkward to do"

It is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surely sha HAS to refuse service since she isn't trained?

It would be dangerous at worst and unprofessional at best to perform a service she's not trained to do. The client would have excellent grounds to sue. "

Surely her insurance wouldn't cover her either?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Surely sha HAS to refuse service since she isn't trained?

It would be dangerous at worst and unprofessional at best to perform a service she's not trained to do. The client would have excellent grounds to sue.

Surely her insurance wouldn't cover her either? "

No it wouldn't because she has performed a treatment she's not qualified to do. This is why therapists have to keep records for so long, even if they aren't working as a therapist any longer, think it's 7 years.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

And in the case of a minor, we keep them indefinately. Even if it's just a manicure.

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?"

I would have said no from a health and safety point of view.

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By *xmfrvnMan
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent

It's not quite the same as the gay cake refusal story - this is discernment, not discrimination. You shouldn't have to perfom work you don't feel adequately prepared to.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?

I would have said no from a health and safety point of view."

It's a no from every point of view lol. No brainer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?"

Maybe she does not want to wax a willy ? As you are pre op then you’re still a male maybe you’re expecting her to make a special exception for you?

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

"No ... I would think they have a right to say no to anyone"

Hear hear but trans love to complain if they feel excluded God forbid.

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

a qualified barber wouldn't cut a ladies hair if it was long because they are not trained to do so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should only do what there comfortable doing

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

"If a woman has only been trained to wax female genitals, should she have a complaint made against her for saying no to waxing a pre op trans woman?"

Why do you ask, OP?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

I'm getting the vibe from the original post that it's being portrayed as the therapist is anti trans and trying to stir things up on here. I read the article, Google Daily Mail Jessica Yaniv. I think this maybe be what the OP is referring to. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong OP.

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over a year ago

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"a qualified barber wouldn't cut a ladies hair if it was long because they are not trained to do so."

So I can complain when they refuse to cut my long hair?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More to the point would any pre-op trans lady want someone untrained waxing her there !

if she was post op it may be different but pre-op I think she is perfectly entitled to say that it is outside her training and therefore refuse (politely of course)."

It was in the news this week. She has a right to refuse to do the wax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter.

Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis. "

You can if they are a penis though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"a qualified barber wouldn't cut a ladies hair if it was long because they are not trained to do so.

So I can complain when they refuse to cut my long hair? "

Yeah probably, in this day and age you’d probably get compensation and they’d be shut down. Ludicrous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"a qualified barber wouldn't cut a ladies hair if it was long because they are not trained to do so."

A barber refused to cut my hair once when my hair was short. I apologised for asking, they made a fair point. I didn't make a fuss or go to the papers.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter.

Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis.

You can if they are a penis though "

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

just googled the name. Say no more

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"just googled the name. Say no more"

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By *adbury girlWoman
over a year ago

Lanarkshire

"a qualified barber wouldn't cut a ladies hair if it was long because they are not trained to do so.

So I can complain when they refuse to cut my long hair?

Yeah probably, in this day and age you’d probably get compensation and they’d be shut down. Ludicrous "

Absolutely all because they didn't want to cut your hair wrong

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching

Quite disturbing.

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

"No ... I would think they have a right to say no to anyone"

I think so too , its a very personal procedure for the professional and the client

Exactly the same as a female client not wishing a male beauty therapist to wax them

Just because it’s a job / service no one should feel they have to - it’s a very easy OP , just find a salon where you all feel comfortable

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By *ust Rachel OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

[Removed by poster at 27/07/19 19:45:59]

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"[Removed by poster at 27/07/19 19:45:59]"

Are you referencing Jessica Yaniv OP?

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By *ust Rachel OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching

Quite disturbing.

I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.

I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching

Quite disturbing.

I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.

I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not."

Well that's good then, to save anyone delving any deeper, the waxer was a woman working from her own home with small children present, who was then harassed by Jessica/Jonathan for refusing to do intimate waxing on male genitals. Just to get both sides of the story. There is no cause for complaint as stated in your OP.

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By *ust Rachel OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching

Quite disturbing.

I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.

I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not.

No, I was coming from just the article heading of

It's not a hate crime for a woman to feel uncomfortable waxing male genitalia.

I was seeing what others thoughts were in this, seeing as there is such a broad spectrum of society here.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching

Quite disturbing.

I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.

I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not."

Yes, there is the court case aspect to this.

Yes the female beauticians have the right to refuse. It is not a human right to have ones genital area waxed.

There is however, in my opinion, something quite sinister about the individual .

She is organising an all-bodies LGBQT2S swim event for 12+ year olds where they are invited to swim topless if they wish - the invitation flyer however includes a note : “for participant privacy and security, parents and/or caregivers are not permitted to attend”

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"People should only do what there comfortable doing"

Im not comfortable paying taxes.....

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching

Quite disturbing.

I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.

I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not.

Yes, there is the court case aspect to this.

Yes the female beauticians have the right to refuse. It is not a human right to have ones genital area waxed.

There is however, in my opinion, something quite sinister about the individual .

12?!

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"If it is Jessica Yaniv that is being referenced here, then I would suggest digging a bit more into this individual. It’s all available from web searching

Quite disturbing.

I was only looking at it from the point of saying no, not delving deeper into the whole human rights court case.

I agree with the posts. That it should be up to the individual person offering the services, whether it is right if they accept or not.

Yes, there is the court case aspect to this.

Yes the female beauticians have the right to refuse. It is not a human right to have ones genital area waxed.

There is however, in my opinion, something quite sinister about the individual .

12?!

Yes.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

If it's private, of course you can say no, unless specific equality laws surround it (like tenancy for example). Like those cake people in Northern Ireland, for a private service it just can't be anything else, or common freedoms are just too curtailed.

If you can get your fanny waxed on the NHS it's different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Easy solution is for Jessica Yaniv to lose the willy and then might stand a chance at getting waxed

But I'm guessing thats not the option they would go for

It seems it's all about the copensation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone has the right to refuse service to anyone else for any reason.

I hope they'd do it for good reasons, worrying they'd do something wrong, rather than prejudice.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

"No ... I would think they have a right to say no to anyone"

that’s fair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speaking as a qualified beauty and holistic therapist myself, she has every right to say no. The same right as refusing service in a bar, shop, or anywhere else for that matter.

Except you can’t refuse to serve someone in a bar/shop because they’ve a penis. "

Yes you can. There is a military club near me. No woman allowed even though woman have served.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, surely you want somebody that's fully trained.

If they did it and weren't trained and they made a mess of it what happens.

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

No . . Just because you offer a private business to the public you should never be obliged to give that service to absolutely everyone. . . It's your business and not theirs. You run it as you see fit.

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Easy solution is for Jessica Yaniv to lose the willy and then might stand a chance at getting waxed

But I'm guessing thats not the option they would go for

It seems it's all about the copensation

Surgery doesn't make a Male into a female . . You can cut and stitch all day long and you are still what your biology tells you . . Fact

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopefully this little stunt backfires on the pig, he's a plague to society...waxing or not.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Hopefully this little stunt backfires on the pig, he's a plague to society...waxing or not."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Easy solution is for Jessica Yaniv to lose the willy and then might stand a chance at getting waxed

But I'm guessing thats not the option they would go for

It seems it's all about the copensation

Surgery doesn't make a Male into a female . . You can cut and stitch all day long and you are still what your biology tells you . . Fact "

True but! I do respect a persons right to be what they want to be as long as they don’t expect others to go out of their way to accommodate them.

This is a clear case of grandstanding by the person making the complaint against the the beauty therapist because they already knew that they would be refused.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Hopefully this little stunt backfires on the pig, he's a plague to society...waxing or not."

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Hopefully this little stunt backfires on the pig, he's a plague to society...waxing or not.

Absolutely this.

He is one of the most disgusting creatures on this planet. His fixation with young girls as young as 10 and their sanitary products is more than just disturbing.

This swim he is arranging is another attempt by him to act in his usual predatory manner.

An absolute insult to a pig to liken him to one. No animal is as sick as he is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hopefully this little stunt backfires on the pig, he's a plague to society...waxing or not.

Absolutely this.

He is one of the most disgusting creatures on this planet. His fixation with young girls as young as 10 and their sanitary products is more than just disturbing.

This swim he is arranging is another attempt by him to act in his usual predatory manner.

An absolute insult to a pig to liken him to one. No animal is as sick as he is

Oh is it that one!! Yes I agree!

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