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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My doc has strongly recommended the keto diet to me ...and I'm on day one now. Done a ton of research and it seems we do not need carbs in our diets...or very little say 5% . My sister in law has lost 5 stone on this diet and the same doctor 4 stone so far.Has anyone doing keto? If so please share your success story xx

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By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

Trying it at the moment mainly to get my sugar levels under control . John

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

I did it for about a month. I felt great to be honest. I found it hard to keep up though as I missed sweet things.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Trying it at the moment mainly to get my sugar levels under control . John"

Wishing you all the best....from what I've read and seen it really is the best diet esp if you're concerned about diabetes x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have done it for a month as well as gym regularly and lost over 2 stone in three weeks

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its something I've been wanting to do but unsure about fibre levels and also I cant eat red meat or cheese due to having gall bladder out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What rules has he told you to follow? How many calories a day?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Didn't work for me. 4000 calories is an awful lost without carbs, also killed my strength in the gym.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What rules has he told you to follow? How many calories a day?"

Not really focused on calories but 75% fat 20% protein and 5% carb...or none at all

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By *adeiteWoman
over a year ago

Staffordshire

I'm on keto. Week 3 tomorrow

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

About to start the Michael Mosley diet, cutting carbs and sugar. Partly prevent diabetes as its in the family, but actually its the only one I've ever read that makes sense

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By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

"Trying it at the moment mainly to get my sugar levels under control . John

Wishing you all the best....from what I've read and seen it really is the best diet esp if you're concerned about diabetes x"

I'm type 2 , don't drink or smoke or eat any potatoes,bread ,cakes,sweets,rice or pasta so just trying to cut any other carbs out as my body isn't responding to meds

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Didn't work for me. 4000 calories is an awful lost without carbs, also killed my strength in the gym."

Yeah I know a lot who are into body building do carb cycling so they have more carbs on gym days and eat low carb on rest days.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So basically no bread, pasta,rice or potatoes

Eat eggs...meat...cheese...berries..fish...seafood...avocado...

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By *adeiteWoman
over a year ago

Staffordshire

Also you don't count calories on keto.

20g of net carbs max per day. If you're under it's fine.

Take your goal weight in kg and that's how many grams you're allowed per day for protein. Then double that number for fats.

Don't go over these and try not to be too far under.

I.e.

20g carbs

50g protein

100g fats

No sugar, no processed foods ect. Sweetener is ok but not all of them are. Check our diet doctor if anyone is unsure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have done it for a month as well as gym regularly and lost over 2 stone in three weeks "

Fantastic!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Its something I've been wanting to do but unsure about fibre levels and also I cant eat red meat or cheese due to having gall bladder out

There are so many other foods you can eat...look into it love x

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By *entleman55Man
over a year ago

S’th West Mc/r

"So basically no bread, pasta,rice or potatoes

Eat eggs...meat...cheese...berries..fish...seafood...avocado..."

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By *attoodchapMan
over a year ago

Swansea

I've done it a few times over the years. Lost 6 stone the 1st time around then put it all back on over the years! I lost 5 last year doing it too. You have to be disciplined though to keep yourself in keto....ignore the Atkins bars etc and stick to no carbs if you can. It takes a few days to get into keto aswell, you feel horrific getting there and sometimes get keto flu but power through that and the cravings and you're onto a winner! You'll sleep better, have more energy and won't crave food as your insulin levels are consistent. Be weary that when you end the diet you need to introduce carbs very slowly as you'll literally pile on the weight! Only downside I found to this is your breath stinks so carry sugar free mints! If you're a meat lover it's really easy to do aswell!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been keto since the week before Xmas. (fallen off it a few times but such is life!)

I've lost around 3 stone so far and dropped 2-3 dress sizes. Overall I've lost around 40 inches from my body.

I've also reversed my type 2 diabetes (well put it into remission technically, if I eat carbs/sugar I'm certain my hb1ac will be high again) it's ridden me of inflammation in my body, and my energy levels these days are ridiculous.

I no longer track my macros so I do what's known as lazy keto, I keep my carbs below 20g a day, and mix it with intermittent fasting. (18hours fasted 6 hour window of eating)

For me it's genuinely changed my life in so many ways, and even though it's tough, if you make sure you keep your electrolytes in check it's definitely worth it in my opinion!

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By *urls and DressesWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere near here

I am doing the 16:8 with Keto at the moment, lost a stone so far and don’t really feel like I’m trying. I don’t crave food and sweet stuff anymore. I don’t feel so bloated and have more energy. I am plateauing at the moment, which is normal for 16:8, it’ll start coming off again soon.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've done it a few times over the years. Lost 6 stone the 1st time around then put it all back on over the years! I lost 5 last year doing it too. You have to be disciplined though to keep yourself in keto....ignore the Atkins bars etc and stick to no carbs if you can. It takes a few days to get into keto aswell, you feel horrific getting there and sometimes get keto flu but power through that and the cravings and you're onto a winner! You'll sleep better, have more energy and won't crave food as your insulin levels are consistent. Be weary that when you end the diet you need to introduce carbs very slowly as you'll literally pile on the weight! Only downside I found to this is your breath stinks so carry sugar free mints! If you're a meat lover it's really easy to do aswell! "

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By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

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By *attoodchapMan
over a year ago

Swansea

My typical day was an omelette for breakfast (4 full eggs) and I'd change every day what I put in it. Cheese and onion, bacon, mushrooms what ever just to mix it up! Typically I'd have chicken thighs in the day as they were cheaper than breasts and more fatty so tasted better! I'd have that with low carb coleslaw, avocado and a handful of nuts. For tea I'd change the meat daily too, steak, pork chops or lamb steaks with some veg and a boiled egg. Cottage cheese for snacks with nuts and everything has to be full fat! Full fat cream with coffee...nom nom!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Been keto since the week before Xmas. (fallen off it a few times but such is life!)

I've lost around 3 stone so far and dropped 2-3 dress sizes. Overall I've lost around 40 inches from my body.

I no longer track my macros so I do what's known as lazy keto, I keep my carbs below 20g a day, and mix it with intermittent fasting. (18hours fasted 6 hour window of eating)

For me it's genuinely changed my life in so many ways, and even though it's tough, if you make sure you keep your electrolytes in check it's definitely worth it in my opinion!"

Love it! Well done love! You have inspired me going forward xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I am doing the 16:8 with Keto at the moment, lost a stone so far and don’t really feel like I’m trying. I don’t crave food and sweet stuff anymore. I don’t feel so bloated and have more energy. I am plateauing at the moment, which is normal for 16:8, it’ll start coming off again soon."

Fantastic! Well done love keep going! I'm inspired xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?"

Unfortunately the fruit and yoghurt aren't low carb/sugar. Keto only permits a handful of berries on occasion and only full fat Greek yoghurt. All the others are high in carbs and sugars I'm afraid.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My typical day was an omelette for breakfast (4 full eggs) and I'd change every day what I put in it. Cheese and onion, bacon, mushrooms what ever just to mix it up! Typically I'd have chicken thighs in the day as they were cheaper than breasts and more fatty so tasted better! I'd have that with low carb coleslaw, avocado and a handful of nuts. For tea I'd change the meat daily too, steak, pork chops or lamb steaks with some veg and a boiled egg. Cottage cheese for snacks with nuts and everything has to be full fat! Full fat cream with coffee...nom nom!"

Perfect keto....love this. Have you lost weight/got more energy?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

Unfortunately the fruit and yoghurt aren't low carb/sugar. Keto only permits a handful of berries on occasion and only full fat Greek yoghurt. All the others are high in carbs and sugars I'm afraid. "

Took the words right out of mouth...ditch the yoghurt..peach and banana xx

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By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

I need to cut my fruit intake down then

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By *entleman55Man
over a year ago

S’th West Mc/r

I’ve just finished a 12 month trial to reverse T2 diabetes, which has been successful. I’ve lost 3.5 stone.

The keto diet is a great way to reset the body.

I now do keto and intermittent fasting 5-2.

I try and drive my body into ketosis so I burn the visceral fat that is stored around my body.

However some fruit will stop ketosis mainly because it contains fructose.

To everyone who is planning this please do it with medical advice.

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By *ouble_The_DelightCouple
over a year ago

Wakefield

Have been thinking of doing the keto diet so this thread is very informative.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

Unfortunately the fruit and yoghurt aren't low carb/sugar. Keto only permits a handful of berries on occasion and only full fat Greek yoghurt. All the others are high in carbs and sugars I'm afraid.

I need to cut my fruit intake down then

Yes....eat instead strawberries...blueberries...raspberries...but not huge quantities

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I’ve just finished a 12 month trial to reverse T2 diabetes, which has been successful. I’ve lost 3.5 stone.

The keto diet is a great way to reset the body.

I now do keto and intermittent fasting 5-2.

I try and drive my body into ketosis so I burn the visceral fat that is stored around my body.

However some fruit will stop ketosis mainly because it contains fructose.

To everyone who is planning this please do it with medical advice.

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By *xelf787Man
over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

Unfortunately the fruit and yoghurt aren't low carb/sugar. Keto only permits a handful of berries on occasion and only full fat Greek yoghurt. All the others are high in carbs and sugars I'm afraid.

I need to cut my fruit intake down then

Natural yogurt is low in sugar, just not the yogurts with added ingredients. Most fruit is low sugar just avoid things like melon and avocados. Banannas are medium carbs so only good if you do a lot of exercise. Remember though a lot of veg is high carb such as potato, swede, parsnip, turnip.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

Unfortunately the fruit and yoghurt aren't low carb/sugar. Keto only permits a handful of berries on occasion and only full fat Greek yoghurt. All the others are high in carbs and sugars I'm afraid.

I need to cut my fruit intake down then

Avocados are good....bananas are not

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

Unfortunately the fruit and yoghurt aren't low carb/sugar. Keto only permits a handful of berries on occasion and only full fat Greek yoghurt. All the others are high in carbs and sugars I'm afraid.

I need to cut my fruit intake down then

Yes....eat instead strawberries...blueberries...raspberries...but not huge quantities "

Some types of melon are okay too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

High fat ...low carb is the way forward for me

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have done it for a month as well as gym regularly and lost over 2 stone in three weeks "

Wow well done!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

Unfortunately the fruit and yoghurt aren't low carb/sugar. Keto only permits a handful of berries on occasion and only full fat Greek yoghurt. All the others are high in carbs and sugars I'm afraid.

I need to cut my fruit intake down then

I must disagree with your post about fruit, it isn't low sugar. An apple for example is 14g carbs. For someone on keto who eats less than 20g carbs a day, it's a huge proportion of their daily allowance and spikes insulin, the whole notion behind keto is to keep insulin levels at a minimum. If you produce insulin, your body stops producing ketones.

It also doesn't just go on sugar and carb levels but the glycemic index too, fruit metabolises fast which is why very little is allowed.

Most green leafy veg is low carb, but as keto cuts out starches too, potatoes, turnips and parsnips etc fall into that category and aren't included in the diet either.

They tend to say if it grows above ground it's much lower carb than below. Although celeriac, and swede are relatively low carb in comparison and used in moderation by some people.

And avocado's are perfect keto food. The balance between fat,carbs and protien fit exactly what keto tries to achieve.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was on the Cambridge diet. They claimed whilst on step two I could lose 5lb per week. Within 6 weeks I only lost a stone!

I ate their food and done what was required, including using their mix-a-mousse to make harribo style sweets and mousse puddings.

I was paying them £45/£50 per week! After 6 weeks I gave up attending the Cambridge diet. It's too expensive and I wasn't seeing the results promised. I just felt paying that much money and only seeing 1lb loss a week was extremely annoying.

I still eat good. I rely on Jamie Oliver's 5 ingredients and Joe Wicks recipe books. I snack on chicken and broccoli or hard boiled egg. I'll also eat as much veg as I like. Unlike before only being allowed 80g of veg per day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

Unfortunately the fruit and yoghurt aren't low carb/sugar. Keto only permits a handful of berries on occasion and only full fat Greek yoghurt. All the others are high in carbs and sugars I'm afraid.

I need to cut my fruit intake down then

It also doesn't just go on sugar and carb levels but the glycemic index too, fruit metabolises fast which is why very little is allowed.

Most green leafy veg is low carb, but as keto cuts out starches too, potatoes, turnips and parsnips etc fall into that category and aren't included in the diet either.

They tend to say if it grows above ground it's much lower carb than below. Although celeriac, and swede are relatively low carb in comparison and used in moderation by some people.

And avocado's are perfect keto food. The balance between fat,carbs and protien fit exactly what keto tries to achieve. "

I was told I wasn't allowed avocado on my keto diet. I love them! They encouraged celaric in meals. Cut up to look like chips. I loved them but they taste like parsnips.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Diet + exercise = weight loss

Weight loss should always be individualised and balanced.

Any “diet” with a “name” should be approached with caution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just want to add that if medically advised to follow a particular diet for medicinal reasons then always do so.

For those who are just trying to lose a bit of weight for non medical dietary reasons low carb diets might be useful in the short term to lose weight, lower blood pressure, and improve blood glucose control, but many studies suggest that they are unsustainable and lead to a host of short and long term problems.

However.. each for their own and good luck.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's not one size fits all and o think you have to find what works for you....you can lose weight without exercise but it's still important MOVE more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not one size fits all and o think you have to find what works for you....you can lose weight without exercise but it's still important MOVE more "

Apols if I came across the wrong way.. one size certainly doesn’t fit all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Just want to add that if medically advised to follow a particular diet for medicinal reasons then always do so.

However.. each for their own and good luck. "

I tend to disagree...our bodies do not need bread...cereals and sugary foods and drinks

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By *xelf787Man
over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester

"Typical daily diet for me is breakfast 3 egg mushroom omelete, lunch tuna, boiled egg and olive salad a peach and banana , dinner chicken salad followed by fruit salad with natural set yoghurt ?

Unfortunately the fruit and yoghurt aren't low carb/sugar. Keto only permits a handful of berries on occasion and only full fat Greek yoghurt. All the others are high in carbs and sugars I'm afraid.

I need to cut my fruit intake down then

It also doesn't just go on sugar and carb levels but the glycemic index too, fruit metabolises fast which is why very little is allowed.

Most fruit is low in sugar as anything below 30g/100g is low. If you want to go ketotic though that is too high. however diets like Atkins have been shown to be very unhealthy "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just want to add that if medically advised to follow a particular diet for medicinal reasons then always do so.

However.. each for their own and good luck.

I tend to disagree...our bodies do not need bread...cereals and sugary foods and drinks "

I understand your point but the are foods as opposed to nutrients. The body needs a balance of carbs, proteins and fats

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *heorgasmaddictMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Done a ton of research and it seems we do not need carbs in our diets."

Wow. This is wrong. Excessive calories put weight on, not carbs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any diet will work if your disciplined in following it.

I don’t think that any diet where you eliminate one food group is healthy.

Your body needs carbs, your body needs fats and your body needs protein.

It’s just matter of eating the right food groups, in the right proportion, at the right times.

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By *oul BrothaMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy far far away

Anyone have any useful food plans?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another."

Where does it go then?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Done a ton of research and it seems we do not need carbs in our diets.

Wow. This is wrong. Excessive calories put weight on, not carbs. "

Carbs metabolise in to sugars which are then stored in fat cells. Excessive carbs will lead to weight gain if you are big using that energy.

We don't need processed carbs in our diet (but they taste nice). We can get all the carbs we need from vegetables and some fruits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether it’s healthy or not I don’t know but Keto does work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?"
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Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?"

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?"
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Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

Please tell me I’m not the only one cringing at some of the opinions here..

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By *heffmMan
over a year ago

sheffield

eating less is the only proven diet

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please tell me I’m not the only one cringing at some of the opinions here..

I’m with you Dirk

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By *heorgasmaddictMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Done a ton of research and it seems we do not need carbs in our diets.

Wow. This is wrong. Excessive calories put weight on, not carbs.

Carbs metabolise in to sugars which are then stored in fat cells. Excessive carbs will lead to weight gain if you are big using that energy.

We don't need processed carbs in our diet (but they taste nice). We can get all the carbs we need from vegetables and some fruits. "

OP said "we don't need carbs". Nothing about processed food. And neither did I.

I agree that people should be eating more veg and fruit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

The chemical formula for fat is something like c18h22o3 basically it's an arrangement of carbon hydrogen and oxygen, pretty much like a car to use the fuel faster you breath in faster creating chemical bonds and 96% of the mass comes out the exhaust, without accelerating the breathing it's impossible to get rid of the mass because that's where it goes, you breath it out as c02.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

I haven't heard of Keto but since dropping my carbs I have lost a load of weight. Luke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics."

I'm hyperventilating here but I'm not losing weight. Am I doing it wrong?

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over a year ago

"Whether it’s healthy or not I don’t know but Keto does work

I’m following paleo again as it’s no processed food. People still try to tell you it’s no good but if eating organic meat, fruit and veg, no wheat, dairy or sugar is bad for you then I’m lost for words. It’s worked for me in the past and I felt amazing, slept better, more energy and better concentration. I know what works for my body. (Cutting the alcohol out is not so easy so I eat super strict to allow some fun)

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Whether it’s healthy or not I don’t know but Keto does work

I need to get back to this. I felt so good and lost almost 3 stone doing it

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over a year ago

"Whether it’s healthy or not I don’t know but Keto does work

I need to get back to this. I felt so good and lost almost 3 stone doing it "

I did too before moving to London 4 years ago. Bread, takeaways and other stuff crept in what with dating and being lazy. After a few festivals recently, I needed a change to balance things. I couldn’t keep going and eating badly. I like to party and will still have a fun lifestyle but in between, I need to be disciplined.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

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It's not healthy, and your body does need carbs. Your brain can function on nothing else.

Thats where the sterotype muscle idiot comes from. Its popular among bodybuilders cutting for competition. Their are videos on youtube of their reduced brain capacity.

To put it in perspective no olympian is on a keto diet, and they all have the best bodies on the planet.

If you want a great body you wont get it trough diet, you get it through exercise. You eat carbs to give your brain energy and your muscles energy, you eat protein to help your muscles grow, and cut down fats to the essential healthy ones as fats combined with carbs cause fat storage.

Being on a carb diet, allowing yourself to eat 50% of your calories from carbs, still cuts out sweets, and premade meals, and ketchup, and everything else. It just means you eat a boiled potato/air fryed, rice, brown rice, quinoa, the odd sugar in your tea. It does not mean you can eat a cake and packet of crisps.

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over a year ago

"It's not healthy, and your body does need carbs. Your brain can function on nothing else.

Thats where the sterotype muscle idiot comes from. Its popular among bodybuilders cutting for competition. Their are videos on youtube of their reduced brain capacity.

To put it in perspective no olympian is on a keto diet, and they all have the best bodies on the planet.

I eat low carbs but just a banana and a few blueberries and spinach in my smoothie is almost 25% carbs and I want to do 20%. We already eat loads through fruit and veg. I just don’t want pasta etc that have no nutritional value and just a filler and sugar. I don’t follow keto though as too strict. I do around 50 percent good fats, 30 percent protein and 20 carbs but it varies day to day. It keeps me fuller longer and I don’t need to snack which was my biggest problem.

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over a year ago

Diets are always controversial, but low carb high fat or lchf as I know it has worked for me. I’m going to ignore the negative comments on here but I’ve done Keto for about 8 years. I’m as healthy as can be. The easiest way to go about it is to remember veg that grow above the ground is usually fine, below ground higher in carbs. Green leafy veg always best. No fruit as a rule too much sugar but berries have a Low sugar content so they are good to eat.

Read the nutritional information on everything and stuff with higher than 5gr of carbs per 100gr is a no. With regards to protein palm size is usually what I would go by. Hate measuring stuff. Fasting periods where you eat at night and skip breakfast is pretty good too. When your body goes into ketosis you will get a metal taste in your mouth and optimizing exercise at this time is really good.

That’s all she wrote

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"It's not healthy, and your body does need carbs. Your brain can function on nothing else.

Thats where the sterotype muscle idiot comes from. Its popular among bodybuilders cutting for competition. Their are videos on youtube of their reduced brain capacity.

To put it in perspective no olympian is on a keto diet, and they all have the best bodies on the planet.

But Olympians are professional athletes and have the ability to train endlessly as well a nutritional advisors etc.

The run of the mill human doed not need anywhere near the amount of carbs that we eat because they aren't using the sugars they give us and those sugars then get stored as fat.

Carbs from vegetables and some fruits are plenty.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

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My brain is starting to melt reading some of this.. fact of the matter is, you can eat all the kale, radishes, brown rice, bananas, egg whites all you want, but if you have a moderate active live and you’re consuming on average about 4000cal a day they you’re gonna be a fat lump, take from that as you wish...

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over a year ago

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"I eat low carbs but just a banana and a few blueberries and spinach in my smoothie is almost 25% carbs and I want to do 20%. We already eat loads through fruit and veg. I just don’t want pasta etc that have no nutritional value and just a filler and sugar. I don’t follow keto though as too strict. I do around 50 percent good fats, 30 percent protein and 20 carbs but it varies day to day. It keeps me fuller longer and I don’t need to snack which was my biggest problem. "

That sounds good. As far as I know only eskimo can eat a keto diet and keep 100% healthy.

its 50% fat, 50% carbs that needs to be avoided, as this turns to fat every single time you eat it. Icecream, doughnuts, kethcup, most man made items go towards this ratio.

So if youre lower carbs you go higher fat, if youre higher carbs you go lower fat. You keep the ratio as far away from 50:50 as possible.

I just like carbs, I lose 1 to 2 pounds eating high carb diet, but I use a lot of energy in the day, and think a lot in my job, so I just cant handle keto at all while working.

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over a year ago

We are both on week 2 day 2 of fast 800, which is keto based... good results so far.

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By *rReyMan
over a year ago

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"Its something I've been wanting to do but unsure about fibre levels and also I cant eat red meat or cheese due to having gall bladder out

I didn't know having your gall bladder out meant no red meat.

I'd have a nightmare and may have gall stones

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By *ap AdgeMan
over a year ago

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On one now getting ready for Nudist holiday. Meat and salads

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over a year ago

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On one now getting ready for Nudist holiday. Meat and salads

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over a year ago

"It's not healthy, and your body does need carbs. Your brain can function on nothing else.

Thats where the sterotype muscle idiot comes from. Its popular among bodybuilders cutting for competition. Their are videos on youtube of their reduced brain capacity.

To put it in perspective no olympian is on a keto diet, and they all have the best bodies on the planet.

But Olympians are professional athletes and have the ability to train endlessly as well a nutritional advisors etc.

The run of the mill human doed not need anywhere near the amount of carbs that we eat because they aren't using the sugars they give us and those sugars then get stored as fat.

Carbs from vegetables and some fruits are plenty. "

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over a year ago

"My brain is starting to melt reading some of this.. fact of the matter is, you can eat all the kale, radishes, brown rice, bananas, egg whites all you want, but if you have a moderate active live and you’re consuming on average about 4000cal a day they you’re gonna be a fat lump, take from that as you wish...

I only have 1500 a day on paleo and that’s with exercise.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

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I only have 1500 a day on paleo and that’s with exercise. "

Paleo is a great and healthy way of eating but it’s the 1500 bit that’s keeping weight moderated and not the paleo bit.. I’m guessing you already know that but there’s a lot here not grasping it..

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over a year ago

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics.

I'm hyperventilating here but I'm not losing weight. Am I doing it wrong?"
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Yes, you can only hyperventilate for a few mins or you'll pass out because your exhaling more than inhaling, what were actually talking about is raised breathing levels for long periods, your taking in oxygen to break down fat cells into energy then you exhale the mass of fat out as c02 hence why people sat at desks for long periods find it hard to shift mass even with an hour's gym.

The preservation of mass is a well know chemistry law.

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over a year ago

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics.

I'm hyperventilating here but I'm not losing weight. Am I doing it wrong?.

The preservation of mass is a well know chemistry law."

What you’re talking about is exercise. You’re dressing it up as if Brian Cox is giving a lecture.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics.

I'm hyperventilating here but I'm not losing weight. Am I doing it wrong?.

The preservation of mass is a well know chemistry law.

What you’re talking about is exercise. You’re dressing it up as if Brian Cox is giving a lecture. "

It’s coming out like a car uses fuel because it emits exhaust fumes and not because the engine is running

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over a year ago

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics.

I'm hyperventilating here but I'm not losing weight. Am I doing it wrong?.

The preservation of mass is a well know chemistry law.

What you’re talking about is exercise. You’re dressing it up as if Brian Cox is giving a lecture.

It’s coming out like a car uses fuel because it emits exhaust fumes and not because the engine is running

Also, to throw a spanner in the works...I sit at a desk for 10 hours a day. I spend most of that time eating pretty much what ever I like

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over a year ago

I only have 1500 a day on paleo and that’s with exercise.

There will come a time when I don’t count the calories. I will know what works and what doesn’t by then.

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over a year ago

My son has done it and lost the weight he wanted to loose. X

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over a year ago

Lots of positivity being posted and it's almost convinced me to give it a go, as I could really do with dropping a few stone

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over a year ago

"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics.

I'm hyperventilating here but I'm not losing weight. Am I doing it wrong?.

The preservation of mass is a well know chemistry law.

What you’re talking about is exercise. You’re dressing it up as if Brian Cox is giving a lecture.

It’s coming out like a car uses fuel because it emits exhaust fumes and not because the engine is running

Also, to throw a spanner in the works...I sit at a desk for 10 hours a day. I spend most of that time eating pretty much what ever I like

What do you eat?

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over a year ago

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Christ this thread

The number of people who "swear by" a diet they've done more than other diets they've done.

Do you ever ask yourself why you have to keep dieting?

The best diet is the one you'll do.

Simple, sustainable, sensible.

99% of the diets mentioned here are bullshit. And quite frankly, looking at people's pictures your lifestyle isn't working if you want to be slimmer (which I'm guessing you do since you're on another diet).

If you're living a life of eating now that you won't or can't do a year from now then you're wasting your time.

Keto, paleo - it doesn't matter, it always ALWAYS comes down to calories in and calories out. If you're eating too much then you're going to get or stay fat.

Fad diets are just that - fads. If you want to change your body then you need to change your lifestyle.

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over a year ago

"Christ this thread

The number of people who "swear by" a diet they've done more than other diets they've done.

Do you ever ask yourself why you have to keep dieting?

The best diet is the one you'll do.

Simple, sustainable, sensible.

If you're living a life of eating now that you won't or can't do a year from now then you're wasting your time.

Keto, paleo - it doesn't matter, it always ALWAYS comes down to calories in and calories out. If you're eating too much then you're going to get or stay fat.

Fad diets are just that - fads. If you want to change your body then you need to change your lifestyle. "

I don’t see paleo as a diet, I see it as a lifestyle. Just like my vegan close friends. They know what they can and cannot eat, I do the same. I just want to eat clean with occasionally drinking. Some people have to follow certain health plans for all kinds of reasons, not just to lose weight. Many have illnesses, some have intolerance. Why should it bother you what people do? Let people eat how they want to eat. Their body, their choice.

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"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics.

I'm hyperventilating here but I'm not losing weight. Am I doing it wrong?.

The preservation of mass is a well know chemistry law.

What you’re talking about is exercise. You’re dressing it up as if Brian Cox is giving a lecture.

It’s coming out like a car uses fuel because it emits exhaust fumes and not because the engine is running

Also, to throw a spanner in the works...I sit at a desk for 10 hours a day. I spend most of that time eating pretty much what ever I like

What do you eat? "

Any thing except fish and pork pretty much.

I had dominos today for lunch

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"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics.

I'm hyperventilating here but I'm not losing weight. Am I doing it wrong?.

The preservation of mass is a well know chemistry law.

What you’re talking about is exercise. You’re dressing it up as if Brian Cox is giving a lecture.

It’s coming out like a car uses fuel because it emits exhaust fumes and not because the engine is running

Also, to throw a spanner in the works...I sit at a desk for 10 hours a day. I spend most of that time eating pretty much what ever I like

What do you eat?

Any thing except fish and pork pretty much.

I had dominos today for lunch "

You are lucky then. I do love pork and fish and not pizza so we are opposites.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Christ this thread

The number of people who "swear by" a diet they've done more than other diets they've done.

Do you ever ask yourself why you have to keep dieting?

The best diet is the one you'll do.

Simple, sustainable, sensible.

If you're living a life of eating now that you won't or can't do a year from now then you're wasting your time.

Keto, paleo - it doesn't matter, it always ALWAYS comes down to calories in and calories out. If you're eating too much then you're going to get or stay fat.

Fad diets are just that - fads. If you want to change your body then you need to change your lifestyle. "

Except that it's not always that easy.

I'm guessing I'm one of the ones you're referring too. I have insulin resistance which means I should (and at the moment I don't) reduce carbs or good that spike my insulin or it will course around in by blood looking for things to do so signal hunger symptoms very soon after I've eaten.

I also have polycystic ovaries and type 2 diabetes which again have a bearing on how my body craved and reacts to good.

I also do over eat for other reasons. Laziness, boredom, depression, greed. I'm not saying that I am not to blame but I will say that simply telling me to eat less is not helpful. You don't know me.

Simply saying eat less is an out dated idium. It should be eat right, eat to your body. Billions of people on the planet, all a little bit different than the rest.

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"Christ this thread

The number of people who "swear by" a diet they've done more than other diets they've done.

Do you ever ask yourself why you have to keep dieting?

The best diet is the one you'll do.

Simple, sustainable, sensible.

If you're living a life of eating now that you won't or can't do a year from now then you're wasting your time.

Keto, paleo - it doesn't matter, it always ALWAYS comes down to calories in and calories out. If you're eating too much then you're going to get or stay fat.

Fad diets are just that - fads. If you want to change your body then you need to change your lifestyle.

Except that it's not always that easy.

I also have polycystic ovaries and type 2 diabetes which again have a bearing on how my body craved and reacts to good.

I also do over eat for other reasons. Laziness, boredom, depression, greed. I'm not saying that I am not to blame but I will say that simply telling me to eat less is not helpful. You don't know me.

Simply saying eat less is an out dated idium. It should be eat right, eat to your body. Billions of people on the planet, all a little bit different than the rest. "

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"Christ this thread

The number of people who "swear by" a diet they've done more than other diets they've done.

Do you ever ask yourself why you have to keep dieting?

The best diet is the one you'll do.

Simple, sustainable, sensible.

If you're living a life of eating now that you won't or can't do a year from now then you're wasting your time.

Keto, paleo - it doesn't matter, it always ALWAYS comes down to calories in and calories out. If you're eating too much then you're going to get or stay fat.

Fad diets are just that - fads. If you want to change your body then you need to change your lifestyle.

Except that it's not always that easy.

I also have polycystic ovaries and type 2 diabetes which again have a bearing on how my body craved and reacts to good.

I also do over eat for other reasons. Laziness, boredom, depression, greed. I'm not saying that I am not to blame but I will say that simply telling me to eat less is not helpful. You don't know me.

Simply saying eat less is an out dated idium. It should be eat right, eat to your body. Billions of people on the planet, all a little bit different than the rest. "

Eat right, yes... but saying eat less is out dated is just ridiculous and will always come round to that, especially to 99.9% of people that’s overweight..

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"Most dieters don't fundamentally understand where the mass they are intending to lose goes.

Until you understand the physics of it you'll be always on a diet of some sort or another.

Where does it go then?.

Out of curiosity,where do you think it goes?

Are you going to patronise or ridicule my response if I'm wrong?.

Neither, it's interesting to see the thoughts of where people think it goes, the usual answer I get is you use it to make energy?.

Because that's what you are told it's stored for.

I think it comes from natural perceptions and the natural way our brains work on puzzle solving.

Moral of the story is you need to breathe heavier and faster to maintain weight loss and no one diet will get round that fact of physics.

I'm hyperventilating here but I'm not losing weight. Am I doing it wrong?.

The preservation of mass is a well know chemistry law.

What you’re talking about is exercise. You’re dressing it up as if Brian Cox is giving a lecture.

It’s coming out like a car uses fuel because it emits exhaust fumes and not because the engine is running

Also, to throw a spanner in the works...I sit at a desk for 10 hours a day. I spend most of that time eating pretty much what ever I like

That's good but it's not normal.

During any conversation about the technicalities of something we'd obviously be describing the norm and not the abnormal like yourself.

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

"My doc has strongly recommended the keto diet to me ...and I'm on day one now. Done a ton of research and it seems we do not need carbs in our diets...or very little say 5% . My sister in law has lost 5 stone on this diet and the same doctor 4 stone so far.Has anyone doing keto? If so please share your success story xx"

This is great news. I've been in Keto now for 7 months, best thing I ever did. Original reason was terrifying acid reflux, weight loss was a bonus. Got rid of so many ailments, 23 lbs lighter and good muscle gain.

Don't treat it as a diet though, must be a lifetime eating habit. Tons of info around now from many sauces saying it is best for overall health.

As for bodybuilders, you can gain muscle without eating half a kilo of pasta a day ffs. Unless you're a strongman or over 7ft tall or want insulin resistance/diabetes then you don't need anywhere near that amount. I and many others are proof. Rarely exceed 60-70g on workout days.

Like anything strong opinions on both sides, there is no perfect way to eat, and we're individuals but the best and most logical way for most of us to eat for good overall health is Keto. You've researched which is the Key, I did about 3 weeks before starting and haven't stopped researching since. That's the ultimate point, do your own research.

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over a year ago

I lost over 3st on Atkins a long time ago.

I felt physically amazing but I couldn't live like it - no bread or pasta or potatoes or booze

It made me miserable and bored.

I have almost accepted my body now.

I'd rather be fat and happy.

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over a year ago

A friend of mine is on it and shes done great. Keeps telling me I should try it as there is so much it can help me with.

But just looking and what I should be eating on the diet doesn't match what I will be willing to eat. I'm not a great meat lover and the veg and fruit I eat are the wrong ones for that diet.

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over a year ago

You don’t need carbs to build muscle but it’s a much better protocol to follow rather than Keto for a bodybuilder.

Keto reduces IGF-1, most anabolic hormone in the body

Cortisol can be raised

Protein synthesis is decreased

All three of the above make it harder to gain muscle

Performance can decrease significantly, ketones are not as effective as glucose for providing fuel in highj intensity workouts. The CNS works and recovers better with carbs, poor recovery equals poor performance.

Water retention reduces which affects overall strength.

As a bodybuilder, strength athlete or strongman a higher carb diet is a better option.

Not saying it can’t be done on Keto but it’s not the best way to do it.

My 8 weeks on Keto enforced this, drops in strength were over 6% in all lifts due to a combined effect of all the above.

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over a year ago

Exercise (weights and Hiit) and clean diet plus good low carbs like leafy veg. I lost over a stone in 3 weeks!

You need good carbs

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

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What I've read/watched/listened to is the complete opposite. Keto increases muscle retention and protein synthesis. And overall more efficient. A key component to this is increased sensitivity to insulin with Keto/intermittent fasting which is vital for muscle growth and glucose replenishment.

Some of the biggest mass bodybuilders would inject themselves with insulin cause they know how important it is, but because of their high carb/sugar diet they have developed insulin resistance/diabetes, so can only get the spike they require with an injection.

I did say that strongmen obviously need a lot more carbs, they require a huge amount of quick energy, as the average person doesn't lift a car and pull a truck. Mr olympia level bodybuilders also, but for the vast majority of people, and low-mid level bodybuilders, 30-100g a day.

I've never had an energy issue working out on Keto, if anything a slight increase in energy and strength. But I'm sure some may have a bit more energy via carbs/sugar.

Both of those high end category of athletes are incredibly unhealthy and in some instances killing themselves.

Overall health is the most important thing. Keto provides this.

We'll never agree on this, so agree to disagree. For anyone new, thoroughly research both sides, then come to your own calculated decision, it's your health.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

When my dog starts getting a bit chubby I must remember to put him on keto diet, it’s obviously better than a bit less food and a extra bit of walking

.. some of the rubbish here is just mind boggling..

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

You're comparing a Dog's biochemistry with a Human's...

Only rubbish is coming from you.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"You're comparing a Dog's biochemistry with a Human's...

Only rubbish is coming from you. "

You should be comparing my photo to yours and think about which of us is correct..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're comparing a Dog's biochemistry with a Human's...

Only rubbish is coming from you.

You should be comparing my photo to yours and think about which of us is correct.. "

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

"You're comparing a Dog's biochemistry with a Human's...

Only rubbish is coming from you.

You should be comparing my photo to yours and think about which of us is correct.. "

... Seriously... Don't attack the person, attack the theory/princeple. I was a big fatty, now only a bit of a fatty. Gym for a only a couple of months.

Give me a couple of years (probably less time than most of you) and I'll look better than you, and crucially better overall health. A point your 'type' seem to keep missing.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"You're comparing a Dog's biochemistry with a Human's...

Only rubbish is coming from you.

You should be comparing my photo to yours and think about which of us is correct..

... Seriously... Don't attack the person, attack the theory/princeple. I was a big fatty, now only a bit of a fatty. Gym for a only a couple of months.

Give me a couple of years (probably less time than most of you) and I'll look better than you, and crucially better overall health. A point your 'type' seem to keep missing. "

I am attacking the theory but you’re stuck in your ways with it.. and until you realise that it’s as simple as eating less and a bit better and moving more you’ll be here debating a different fad in a years time, if you can do that going keto fair enough but one thing is a cert, you will not be on keto in 6 months time, I’d love to be proven wrong but I won’t be..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

... And this is why I don't talk about my diet on Fab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're comparing a Dog's biochemistry with a Human's...

Only rubbish is coming from you.

You should be comparing my photo to yours and think about which of us is correct..

... Seriously... Don't attack the person, attack the theory/princeple. I was a big fatty, now only a bit of a fatty. Gym for a only a couple of months.

Give me a couple of years (probably less time than most of you) and I'll look better than you, and crucially better overall health. A point your 'type' seem to keep missing. "

But your attacking the method that I, dirky and pretty much every decent level strongman, powerlifter and bodybuilder use.

By your reckoning I should be in shit health given I eat 400g of carbs a day.

I sit at just under 18 stone, 20% bodyfat. I have no need for abs being a champion powerlifter.

Cholesterol, blood pressure, liver and kidney markers are all perfect, no sign of diabetes. All other blood markers are perfect. How so according to your theory?

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

"You're comparing a Dog's biochemistry with a Human's...

Only rubbish is coming from you.

You should be comparing my photo to yours and think about which of us is correct..

... Seriously... Don't attack the person, attack the theory/princeple. I was a big fatty, now only a bit of a fatty. Gym for a only a couple of months.

Give me a couple of years (probably less time than most of you) and I'll look better than you, and crucially better overall health. A point your 'type' seem to keep missing.

You're not, but anyway. I'm constantly researching actually. It's really not as simple as that, the obesity epidemic happened when more sugar/carbs were added to foods when fat was taken out, activity levels obviously matter but diet is the most important factor. It's sounds like you're stuck with outdated info.

For many diets are fads yes, not for me. Keto has removed so many ailments, which return within a couple of days of eating mid-high carb meals. There really is no choice for me, it's a lifetime eating change.

If you put money on me not being on Keto in the future you would definitely lose. Lifetime eating change for better overall health.

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

"But your attacking..."

That's the difference, I'm attacking the method, not the person. Personally I hope your in good health, but too many good men have keeled over or had health problems with that method. What part steroids play is another debate.

That is also a line morbidly obese people use 'I'm healthy right now so I always will be'. Health isn't a fixed marker, always changing. As for what you claim, I can't debate it either way, because there's no evidence. Same with my positive health claims, although many people echo mine.

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over a year ago

"When my dog starts getting a bit chubby I must remember to put him on keto diet, it’s obviously better than a bit less food and a extra bit of walking

.. some of the rubbish here is just mind boggling.. "

What diet do you recommend?

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"You're comparing a Dog's biochemistry with a Human's...

Only rubbish is coming from you.

You should be comparing my photo to yours and think about which of us is correct..

... Seriously... Don't attack the person, attack the theory/princeple. I was a big fatty, now only a bit of a fatty. Gym for a only a couple of months.

Give me a couple of years (probably less time than most of you) and I'll look better than you, and crucially better overall health. A point your 'type' seem to keep missing.

If you put money on me not being on Keto in the future you would definitely lose. Lifetime eating change for better overall health.

Yes, I’m stuck with outdated info even though it has worked for 2000 yrs on every creature and being that has existed..

look, when you realise keto isn’t sustainable, post again and we’ll be happy to lead you in the right direction..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""But your attacking..."

I may be morbidly obese by BMI but that's also massively outdated and a pile of shit.

It's not a line, I pay for private bloods every 3 months to keep an eye on what's going on.

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By *inky SpiceWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0

Just going to leave that there for anyone that wants to see some real, medical, scientific facts rather than reading individual people's anecdotal evidence on their own personal experiences.

What a lot of people fail to understand is that not all humans are the same. We have different DNA, different developments and different lifestyles. What works for one will not work for all, and saying my way is right and you are wrong exhibits astounding ignorance and arrogance.

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

All creatures are the same again...

Human genetics haven't changed much yet the obesity epidemic happen like I said with increased sugar/carbs.

You're full of shit. Try becoming obese from eating 2kg of meat a day ffs. (not that I recommend the Carnivore diet). The point stands it's sugar and carbs causing the damage. A bit from fruit and veg is good obviously.

Tell us all why it's unsustainable then...

I'll be on Keto the rest of my life.

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By *irkydirkyMan
over a year ago

Stevenage

"All creatures are the same again...

Human genetics haven't changed much yet the obesity epidemic happen like I said with increased sugar/carbs.

Tell us all why it's unsustainable then...

I'll be on Keto the rest of my life."

It happened with people eating more, look at portion sizes compared to what they were 30yrs ago.. yes of course sugary foods and drinks are a big problem also, but don’t try and tell me 99.9% of people can’t lose fat by simply eating less, that’s just not taking personal responsibility for mainly greed and laziness..

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

Hypocritical bollocks from you there Kinky. Anyone can link a vid saying anything. I've had these discussions on Twitter and bombarded people with scientific info, haven't done it in here as have bought the t-shirt ect.

Obesity is highest when consuming a typical high carb 'western' diet for most people, not some, it's not a coincidence. Regardless of race, or World area. Portion size is a factor but again not the most important.

You're being arrogant and ignorant saying you're wrong I have the answer with this great 'scientific' vid.

I've never claimed anything is the prefect diet, just that Keto works for most and is the most logical. I'm educated, not arrogant.

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By *inky SpiceWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Hypocritical bollocks from you there Kinky. Anyone can link a vid saying anything. I've had these discussions on Twitter and bombarded people with scientific info, haven't done it in here as have bought the t-shirt ect.

You're being arrogant and ignorant saying you're wrong I have the answer with this great 'scientific' vid.

I've never claimed anything is the prefect diet, just that Keto works for most and is the most logical. I'm educated, not arrogant. "

If you bothered watching the video you'd see that I was supporting you...good own goal there mate..

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

I'm not going to watch hours of YouTube vids obviously. He has many by the looks of it. My point still stands.

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By *inky SpiceWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm not going to watch hours of YouTube vids obviously. He has many by the looks of it. My point still stands. "

Your point that I posted "hypocritical bollocks" with my video of renowned expert in intermittent fasting, insulin resistance and diabetes, Dr Fung? Well as he's in favour of the Keto diet for the type of people that benefit from it then you're not making any sense are you? But then again I suppose climbing down and making an apology for your rudeness would have more difficult than just digging your heels in.

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By *arcuszMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

Not the video. Your text accompanying it.

I'll watch some of him though, sounds interesting.

Can you blame me, I get attacked left, right and centre. So naturally I interpreted your text directed at me. Then your sarky comment to follow. A misunderstanding unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keto diet works, I know as I lost 4 stone, but bizarrely it worked too well!! You eat only when hungry and stop when sated, I found I wasn't hungry for up to two days but it didn't feel natural not to eat, especially at normal eating times.

If you see what I mean?

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Keto for 11 years, carnivore since the beginning of April. There are millions of people living the keto way and just as many website and forums about it too.

Message me if you need anything.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

"Diet + exercise = weight loss

Weight loss should always be individualised and balanced.

Any “diet” with a “name” should be approached with caution "

...and the old dogma equation that you’ve just quoted should be avoided too!

That little bit of useless theory was blown out of the water years ago.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Persoanlly I prefer the Kyoto Grill diet. Now there's a place where the Sushi and hot grill don't stop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... And this is why I don't talk about my diet on Fab. "

People will always have opinions and try to tell you it’s not good for you or it’s not sustainable. Eating crap is not sustainable either. I’m a long haul flight attendant and I can tell you that it’s bloody hard to be disciplined and be able to eat healthily. Too many temptations and convenience foods around. I need to stick to something or it goes out of the window. I’m an all or nothing girl in everything I do. I can’t just cut down, I have to cut out completely certain things. I will be weak and back to square one. What works for one person may not work for another. We should all do what we are happy doing and not listen to some so called ‘experts’ online that we don’t even know.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"... And this is why I don't talk about my diet on Fab.

Oh, I mean more generally. Bunch of people looking for sex pontificating because they can Google. Some will know what they're talking about, some won't, none will know what I do in particular and specifically why. But everyone has an opinion.

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over a year ago

"... And this is why I don't talk about my diet on Fab.

Exactly.

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