FabSwingers.com forum: Should tipping be included in the bill?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I like to go to coffee shops and I always give tips as I like the service I get and I usually give 1 or 2 pounds, on my birthday we went to a restaurant and it was included in bill, it was 10%. I didnt mind paying that extra, should it be included in your bill automatically, whats your view, is it fair?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It IS included in the bill in the UK. Always has been

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. Tipping should be a choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just been to tenerife and every place we went to involved a table charge on the bill.

It was fine.

But isn't weird how we only tip certain occupations

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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Should be a choice

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

No it shouldn't as it's supposed to be a reward for good service.

Tips should be protected and shared amongst the team that provided the service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have been somewhere before and a service charge added to the bill but because the service was shit we refused to pay it and it was removed!

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By *edmark07Man
over a year ago

liverpool

I don't believe a tip should be included although I would always tip. Quite often if its on the bill I ask for it to be taken off then leave the cash as a tip soi know it goes to the staff not the house

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

I dont think it should but I do think we should pay all workers a decent living wage. Socialism ftw!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It IS included in the bill in the UK. Always has been"

Really?

How come I never see any of it?

How come on our menus it states that it ISN'T included in the bill and it let's customers know that if they do tip, it goes to their server?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont think it should but I do think we should pay all workers a decent living wage. Socialism ftw!"

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Round here its not included but when we went to oxford everywhere we went had 12.5% added

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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"Round here its not included but when we went to oxford everywhere we went had 12.5% added"
That's terrible. Hate it when restaurant add service charge

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By *o_eye_deerMan
over a year ago

The South Near That London

I object to service charge being automatically added , so I’ll ask for it to be removed, then I’ll tip my server directly.

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

I think it should be a choice and I nearly always tip (unless the service is bad) There were times back in the day when I survived off my tips because the wages weren't great. Fortunately that's no longer the case.

Everyone should be paid a decent wage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By *he riverdeep69Couple
over a year ago

North west ish

I ask them to remove the tip and then give the tip direct to the staff in cash, and that depends on how good the service is (sometimes I've left nothing for shite service).

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By *anky_PankyWoman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

I half live in the USA at the moment where it is pretty much obligatory but there are reasons going back to slavery times as to where it comes from......

I don't mind for a job done well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it should be a choice and I nearly always tip (unless the service is bad) There were times back in the day when I survived off my tips because the wages weren't great. Fortunately that's no longer the case.

Everyone should be paid a decent wage"

This is like me now.

My wages cover my rent/council tax/phone bill. I survive on tips. No tips, no food/electric/bus fare etc. Everything and I mean everything other than essential bills is paid for in any tips I make. Some weeks I can do ok and eat daily, others I can eat only what's gonna get thrown out at the end of the night at work. In the winter I regularly go without gas, you just get used to it being shit.

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

Everyone should be paid a decent wage

This is like me now.

I've been there and I hear you loud and clear

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By *uciyassMan
over a year ago

Leeds

No it shouldn’t. With the service levels I’ve seen these days they are lucky I pay anything for the service before I start tipping. We don’t want to go the way the US went where it’s obligitory to tip for everything and if you don’t you get shot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was reading on another forum outside of here about you should tip your tattooist.

My opinion is that they give a price, if I’m happy to pay that price then I expect a certain end product. The price reflects that.

You shouldn’t be expected to tip and it should remain an option if you think the person has gone above and beyond your expectations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone should be paid a decent wage

This is like me now.

I've been there and I hear you loud and clear"

It's tough ain't it. I'm 41 years old, I should be a classy lady wearing pretty dresses and going out with friends. Instead I practically live in my pjs when I'm not at work and only go out when B is here for a few days and we head to chams.

Least I have a sense of humour I guess coz I've got fuck all else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never tipped in my life so no

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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I once worked in a well known Bar/Restaurant Gibralter. They paid 6 quid an hour, and i was supervisor. I worked hard for them tips to keep me afloat at times. So i always tip because i know first hand

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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago

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"I once worked in a well known Bar/Restaurant Gibralter. They paid 6 quid an hour, and i was supervisor. I worked hard for them tips to keep me afloat at times. So i always tip because i know first hand"

in Gibralter

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm generally happy with tips and am used to it but really dislike a business who take over tips to be formulated within staff costs for the business. I generally prefer cash to the people who have given me good service - it doesn't give anyting direclty to restaurant staff etc but servers can redistribute, if they see fit to.

Overall, I prefer a business to price their products and services inclusive of all of their costs, which includes all employee costs, thus not expecting customers to have to add a fixed percentage for tips/service. If I'm comparing different businesses, including restaurants, I want to know the absolute price to me, without expecting me to run any extra calculations. And there should never be any customer shaming, where customers aren't particularly enthused by the overall restaurant's meal and want to tip less/not at all.

Very expensive places should have exeptionally fantastic as standard - if it's below that, then they should compensate their customers. I would still tip for great service but be unhappy with the restaurant's comprehensive product.

And such staff should be paid very well, much, much more than living wage levels.

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

Everyone should be paid a decent wage

This is like me now.

I've been there and I hear you loud and clear

Least I have a sense of humour I guess coz I've got fuck all else

They can't take that away...that's ours

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

Everyone should be paid a decent wage

This is like me now.

I've been there and I hear you loud and clear

Least I have a sense of humour I guess coz I've got fuck all else

Class and beauty don't come from pretty dresses it comes from within. When times are tough that's when true character shines

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone should be paid a decent wage

This is like me now.

It's disgusting how it's legal. Imagine if every job needed to be made up with tips. Bus drivers, supermarket assistants, phone workers, chefs, office workers. It's bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont tip.

a) I can't really afford to.

b) Why would I pay more than what's being asked of me?

When I worked in restaurant industry for a bit.. The female waitresses would get tips all the time, usually from sleazy men trying to attract their attention.

Us male waiters never got a thing, no matter how far we bent over backwards to please.

When I worked in the kitchen, it was never shared out, despite being on a lower wage than most of the waiting staff (first job as a potwasher).

The only time I've ever got a tip is when one of my employers, or I have had to do something extra and not quoted for, to please the customer. Occasionally then I may be chucked a fiver. Hardly a tip if I've had to do extra unquoted work though is it?

I'm lucky if I'm offered a cold drink in the summer, only very rarely receive a nice email from a customer who is grateful for level of effort I put in.

I get paid a wage though, I don't expect one, so unsure why others do. Waitresses arent the only people on low and minimum wages you know.

I wasng allowed to take tips or gifts as a Care Assistant, they work far harder for their money and it's a job most turn their nose up at. Waitresses could be care assistants if they're that hard up that they rely on tips.

End of the day.. Another shining example of capitalism failed.

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

"I dont tip.

a) I can't really afford to.

b) Why would I pay more than what's being asked of me?

When I worked in restaurant industry for a bit.. The female waitresses would get tips all the time, usually from sleazy men trying to attract their attention.

Us male waiters never got a thing, no matter how far we bent over backwards to please.

When I worked in the kitchen, it was never shared out, despite being on a lower wage than most of the waiting staff (first job as a potwasher).

I'm lucky if I'm offered a cold drink in the summer, only very rarely receive a nice email from a customer who is grateful for level of effort I put in.

I get paid a wage though, I don't expect one, so unsure why others do. Waitresses arent the only people on low and minimum wages you know.

End of the day.. Another shining example of capitalism failed. "

From whatever angle you look at it shit wages equal hard times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont tip.

a) I can't really afford to.

b) Why would I pay more than what's being asked of me?

When I worked in restaurant industry for a bit.. The female waitresses would get tips all the time, usually from sleazy men trying to attract their attention.

Us male waiters never got a thing, no matter how far we bent over backwards to please.

When I worked in the kitchen, it was never shared out, despite being on a lower wage than most of the waiting staff (first job as a potwasher).

I'm lucky if I'm offered a cold drink in the summer, only very rarely receive a nice email from a customer who is grateful for level of effort I put in.

I get paid a wage though, I don't expect one, so unsure why others do. Waitresses arent the only people on low and minimum wages you know.

End of the day.. Another shining example of capitalism failed.

From whatever angle you look at it shit wages equal hard times.

No matter how silly the face you put on and pretend you're happy.

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By *qua vitaeWoman
over a year ago

Shropshire/Midlands

"I object to service charge being automatically added , so I’ll ask for it to be removed, then I’ll tip my server directly."

I do this too, so that I know the staff will get their tips!

This thread reminds me over 20 years or so ago when we went to our local Harvester. I paid by card and signed just for the meal - no tips. The service had been quite poor, so didn’t leave a tip. In those days before online banking, I would keep all my card receipts and match them up when my bank statement would come. When the statement did arrive, about £1.80 odd had been added to the bill. Effectively, round it up to £45. I went back to the restaurant (it was within walking distance to my home) and complained and was refunded the difference. I know £1.80 may sound petty to complained about, but how many people had they done this to, whom either forgotten how much they paid or couldn’t be bother making the trip back?

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

no, as sometimes staff are rude, or place is terrible, why tip in that case, only tip when good

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By *heekyFlirtyCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Stockport

"We have been somewhere before and a service charge added to the bill but because the service was shit we refused to pay it and it was removed!

We’ve done the same but just crossed out the service charge. If people are good you leave a tip if not you don’t!

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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land

"We have been somewhere before and a service charge added to the bill but because the service was shit we refused to pay it and it was removed!

We’ve done the same but just crossed out the service charge. If people are good you leave a tip if not you don’t!"

We did same in USA didnt feel service was worth 18.5% of bill so only paid 10%. Was chased out the door by waiter & manager wanting us pay full amount, told manager why &he accepted that

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Tipping shouldn't happen at all. It's archaic.

Do all the tippers think they are Lord of the Manor chucking pennies to the servants ?

Pay people a living wage.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"no, as sometimes staff are rude, or place is terrible, why tip in that case, only tip when good"

Do you all tip the bin man ?

The doctor ?

The postman ?

The girl on the checkout ?

Your solicitor ?

No...... Why not ?

Engage your brains n stop tipping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ll tip if the service has been good no matter where I am dining.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only tip if she lefts me cum on her tits.

Sorry I’ve done it again haven’t I...

Return to the sensible debate. Nothing to see here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like to go to coffee shops and I always give tips as I like the service I get and I usually give 1 or 2 pounds, on my birthday we went to a restaurant and it was included in bill, it was 10%. I didnt mind paying that extra, should it be included in your bill automatically, whats your view, is it fair?"

Depends on the type of establishment.....Costa NO!!!

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

You do have the right to refuse the service charge if service has not been good

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

"It IS included in the bill in the UK. Always has been"

Sorry, in certain businesses in Hospitality, service charges are NOT included as standard.

There are some companies or businesses that won't include it, leaving it up to the customers to decide.

However, there are others who'll auto insert a Service Charge to every transaction. Invariable, it will be tagged as 'Discretionary" but unless you scrutinise your bill closely, you will miss it.

Then there are the unscrupulous companies who NEVER split the service charges amongst the staff but pocket every penny. An ex-company I worked for even investigates if any personnel get cash in hand tips and insist staff hand it over or else! That money is never seen again!

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By *he riverdeep69Couple
over a year ago

North west ish

If you are interested in tipping book a cruise with an american company. They breakdown exactly how much you should tip. It was around £350 per person. We queried it and they said it's voluntary. If we didnt want to pay then that's ok, they just wont pay their staff (basically emotional b*mail). We cancelled, was worth losing the deposit for such a shitty attitude, and went to another company.

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By *lex D.Man
over a year ago

London

I tip. I don't follow why coffee shops have a tipping jar though. Perhaps some people just like to pay a liitle bit more for a pricey coffee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm quite possibly going to get slated for saying this but

I don't agree with a service charge being automatically added to the bill

If I get extremely good service then yes I will leave a tip

However I don't see why I should pay somebody extra money when they're only doing their job unless they go above and beyond you don't tip a shopkeeper when they serve you

I don't see why somebody should be paid extra money for literally doing what they are paid to do it's their choice to work in that profession

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Don't you just love those establishments that put "for your convenience, we've added 10% service charge", on the bottom of your bill!

I always question it, especially if it's one of those places that's owned by a multi-millionaire chef.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

New Zealand. NO tipping. Once left a modest tip at a restraunt in Auckland and was chased down the street my the manager trying give me my change. Very good meal so refused to accept it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I tip in restaurants but I don't like it automatically added on. I generally tip between 10-15% however if I went to a pricey restaurant. Had a few drinks, cocktails etc and my bill was for over £100 for just the two of us I would tip below 10% as I don't feel the server has had that much extra work I would probably tip around 6%. If I have a group bill then I tend to tip per person so make everyone cough up a couple of quid each if its good service so the server could easily come away with a £30 tip.

I was also in tenerife recently and the tip was added on but it was only 6.5% so I almost always rounded it up to 10%.

I like to choose if I tip service

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

I pay the price on the menu and not a penny more.

If the menu says a discretionary service charge will be added - I ask for it to be taken off.

If the service is below normal - no tip

If the service is as I would expect - I give them a smile and say thank you.

If the service is above what I would expect - I give them a smile and leave a tip

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you get tips in your job? I don't! Why bother tipping at all, they do get paid you know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you get tips in your job? I don't! Why bother tipping at all, they do get paid you know."

Yes they do get paid. Minimum wage.

They also regularly spend a lot of their shift needing the toilet, needing a drink, hungry.

If they go to the toilet, customers will complain that their server was nowhere to be found. If they have a drink customers complain that whilst they were waiting for something, anything, their server was "standing around drinking" even though that could have been the first liquid to pass that servers lips in 6 hours of running around.

People will complain about anything and everything in the hope of getting something for free (not all of them, some are bloody wonderful and a real pleasure) but there are many in this culture of "if you complain you'll get it for free" that servers are at the scrutiny of every set of eyes in that building.

So when your server does hit the mark, please think about the fact they're probably bursting for the loo but put you first, they probably really need a drink but put you first, they probably haven't eaten all day because they haven't had time but put you first, they've probably had someone complain about them even though they've done everything right just for a freebie, but they still put you first and greet you with a smile even though they're really quite upset on the inside.

There's also a good chance that server hasn't seen their family for quite a while as by the time they get home their kids are in bed, that server probably needs to walk an hour home after being on their feet for hours at midnight as the buses are no longer running.

Yes, it's their choice to be in that job, but many would love to move forward and get a job where they feel they're respected, not spoken to like something a customer has just trodden in, not because they've done anything wrong but because the customer is having a bad day and takes it out on the server.

Some are simply stuck in a job that barely pays their bills, but are too afraid to leave because barely paying their bills is better than not being able to pay them at all and losing their homes.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

I don’t believe tipping should be routine, it’s an excuse for employers to pay poor wages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good tipping point everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

waiting staff get breaks for the toilet and are free to drink when they want one

As others have said they get paid it is their choice to do the job

If the service is good I will give them a tip if not I don't

If something falls below the standard I expect I will speak up

Doesn't mean I'm expecting something for free but when all is said and done you are already paying for a service so why shouldn't you get a decent one with out paying extra

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"waiting staff get breaks for the toilet and are free to drink when they want one

As others have said they get paid it is their choice to do the job

If the service is good I will give them a tip if not I don't

If something falls below the standard I expect I will speak up

Doesn't mean I'm expecting something for free but when all is said and done you are already paying for a service so why shouldn't you get a decent one with out paying extra"

Waiting staff get breaks for the toilet and are free to drink?

Seriously? If it's quiet then yes of course, but not if there are people who want/need serving. I dunno what restaurant you work in but do you have any jobs going coz that sounds like luxury!

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Tipping should def remain a personal choice for quality of service..unfortunately a service charge on the bill doesn't always make it's way to the staff

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By *adylydfordWoman
over a year ago

altinkum

"I don't believe a tip should be included although I would always tip. Quite often if its on the bill I ask for it to be taken off then leave the cash as a tip soi know it goes to the staff not the house "

A lot of places actually collect the cash tips from staff daily that get given them. Take out for any mistakes or people who have left without paying and then devide the remainder between all staff working that shift. Usually breakfast staff get nothing. This has happened in several places i have worked so its worth asking the waiting staff on the day what happens.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No. Tipping should be a choice "
That is right it, should be a choice too

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It is also good to give little extra, cos the back staff wont have any chance to get any tips as they are busy behind the scenes. I heard that at the end of the day, the total tipping will be devided amongst all of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is also good to give little extra, cos the back staff wont have any chance to get any tips as they are busy behind the scenes. I heard that at the end of the day, the total tipping will be devided amongst all of them

In our place the chefs are on a higher wage than the servers. We put in a pound out of any tips we are given into a pot for the kitchen staff on a day shift and £2 on an evening shift.

Some days I make nothing in tips, other days I make enough to eat that day, get home without having to walk and put a few quid in my electric meter. The kitchen tips get divided between them twice a year.

We don't get double pay on bank holidays, we don't get a xmas bonus or anything like that, the only day of the year we get double pay in xmas day itself.

People say you don't tip the shopkeeper, many people do but they just don't realise it. That 3p change that you can't be arsed knocking around in your pocket so you tell him to keep the change, that's exactly the same thing. Or with a taxi driver, 10p change? "Keep the change mate"

The tips I make are nowhere near the 10% levels people talk about. I'd say mine average 1% -3%

I wholeheartedly agree tips should be optional, I don't agree at all with putting a service charge on the bill, but what gets my goat is people who don't have a clue what they're talking about making sweeping statements. Every business works differently and if someone wants to show their appreciation for the work another person has done, the effort and personality they've put into looking after them, it doesn't hurt to ask how the tip system works in their establishment. If they are happy with how it works then leave a tip if they want to, if not then don't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

In our place the chefs are on a higher wage than the servers. We put in a pound out of any tips we are given into a pot for the kitchen staff on a day shift and £2 on an evening shift.

We don't get double pay on bank holidays, we don't get a xmas bonus or anything like that, the only day of the year we get double pay in xmas day itself.

The tips I make are nowhere near the 10% levels people talk about. I'd say mine average 1% -3%

P"
I see, so yes the chefs there is on a higher wage. I guess it is different from different workplaces, but as you say, it is nice you have a collection for them too there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ill only tip if its exceptional..

If its included on the bill and all the waiter/ess hasnt shone i ask for it to be removed.

I was a waiter when i was at collage and really put the effort in to make the dining experience a good one, so expect none less.

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