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By *randMrsNorthern OP Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

We have recently joined a couple of dating apps in our quest to find a single female (ah, the elusive unicorn!) One thing we have found is that there’s an abundance of profiles on them which are “catfish.”

We have had a few people recently (one as recent as last night) wanting to talk dirty and exchange pics/videos and under scrutiny turn out to be fake. We assume it’s dodgy men pretending to be women but whenever it is, it’s disgusting. Fortunately we haven’t given anything away but I do feel for anyone who has fallen victim to it.

I know Fab has the verification system which we find very useful. However, we have sadly found a few of these profiles even popping up on here. Some might victim blame and say “don’t send nudes” but if you are being conned and sending them under false pretences surely it should be punishable if it isn’t already.

Having found very little on google, I wanted to ask on here if anyone knows what the legality is surrounding this... The fact I can’t find anything about a specific law or campaign against it is a little worrying. I do know laws get passed as issues arise (like the recent upskirting law) and if it isn’t a law already then perhaps it should be. It might deter some of these creeps from doing what they are doing.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

If they're distributing or posting them elsewhere that's illegal, if it's just for their own personal wank bank I don't think it is.

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By *randMrsNorthern OP Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

We have had a few sending pics of women playing with their pussies etc. Assume they’ve got them off victims or whatever or maybe even just on amateur sites or whatever. Then they have tried to get Mrs to send videos of herself.

One recently added us as a couple (his Mrs was fit) and then we got chatting on snapchat but his persistence in asking for videos rang alarm bells. Anyway we pushed for cam and we said once we cammed with them both we would be comfortable exchanging pics etc. Anyway he blocked us. A few weeks later he unblocked us and said he was a single male and wanted to meet. When challenged he denied all knowledge of the woman. He must have thought we’d forgotten. He was falling over himself with his lies. We just blocked him then.

It’s very dangerous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have recently joined a couple of dating apps in our quest to find a single female (ah, the elusive unicorn!) One thing we have found is that there’s an abundance of profiles on them which are “catfish.”

We have had a few people recently (one as recent as last night) wanting to talk dirty and exchange pics/videos and under scrutiny turn out to be fake. We assume it’s dodgy men pretending to be women but whenever it is, it’s disgusting. Fortunately we haven’t given anything away but I do feel for anyone who has fallen victim to it.

I know Fab has the verification system which we find very useful. However, we have sadly found a few of these profiles even popping up on here. Some might victim blame and say “don’t send nudes” but if you are being conned and sending them under false pretences surely it should be punishable if it isn’t already.

Having found very little on google, I wanted to ask on here if anyone knows what the legality is surrounding this... The fact I can’t find anything about a specific law or campaign against it is a little worrying. I do know laws get passed as issues arise (like the recent upskirting law) and if it isn’t a law already then perhaps it should be. It might deter some of these creeps from doing what they are doing.

NC31"
It's a public domain, you can set settings to stop people from outside of the site looking at pics and cams but you can only stop members by individually blocking them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have recently joined a couple of dating apps in our quest to find a single female (ah, the elusive unicorn!) One thing we have found is that there’s an abundance of profiles on them which are “catfish.”

We have had a few people recently (one as recent as last night) wanting to talk dirty and exchange pics/videos and under scrutiny turn out to be fake. We assume it’s dodgy men pretending to be women but whenever it is, it’s disgusting. Fortunately we haven’t given anything away but I do feel for anyone who has fallen victim to it.

I know Fab has the verification system which we find very useful. However, we have sadly found a few of these profiles even popping up on here. Some might victim blame and say “don’t send nudes” but if you are being conned and sending them under false pretences surely it should be punishable if it isn’t already.

Having found very little on google, I wanted to ask on here if anyone knows what the legality is surrounding this... The fact I can’t find anything about a specific law or campaign against it is a little worrying. I do know laws get passed as issues arise (like the recent upskirting law) and if it isn’t a law already then perhaps it should be. It might deter some of these creeps from doing what they are doing.

NC31It's a public domain, you can set settings to stop people from outside of the site looking at pics and cams but you can only stop members by individually blocking them "
oh and would you really go to court if you're already this guarded?

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By *randMrsNorthern OP Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

I think you’ve missed the point.

Our public pics are public because we don’t care who sees them. Our private pics are private so we can vet who sees them.

What I mean is, is it against the law for some freak to pretend to be someone else to get people to send them nudes?

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By *randMrsNorthern OP Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

Our privacy settings are fine thanks for asking. And I not going to court against anyone as we have not fallen victim. Maybe you should have read the post. I’m asking is there a law against catfishing for nudes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't understand the problem. Why send nudes etc to a stranger if you don't want the risk that they may post them elsewhere.

Even a partner may use the pics for something dodgy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you’ve missed the point.

Our public pics are public because we don’t care who sees them. Our private pics are private so we can vet who sees them.

What I mean is, is it against the law for some freak to pretend to be someone else to get people to send them nudes? "

There are revenge porn laws.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you’ve missed the point.

Our public pics are public because we don’t care who sees them. Our private pics are private so we can vet who sees them.

What I mean is, is it against the law for some freak to pretend to be someone else to get people to send them nudes? "
Probably but if they show as a couple that includes a guy so would have thought legally not much you can do even if you were prepared to go to the courts, only show pics that you don't mind sharing and if you want to make sure it's a couple either cam, share telephone number and call to speak to woman or meet them in a public place for a social

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By *randMrsNorthern OP Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

Sounds like you’re victim blaming.

We don’t send nudes as a rule of thumb. However, if we did, it’s assuming they wouldn’t be distributed. Trust can be abused we get that but trying to con people under a false identity into sending nudes or vids is out of line irrespective of whether you shouldn’t be sending them in the first place.

Would you be happy if we used your pictures and said it was your fault for posting them? Doubt it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sounds like you’re victim blaming.

We don’t send nudes as a rule of thumb. However, if we did, it’s assuming they wouldn’t be distributed. Trust can be abused we get that but trying to con people under a false identity into sending nudes or vids is out of line irrespective of whether you shouldn’t be sending them in the first place.

Would you be happy if we used your pictures and said it was your fault for posting them? Doubt it.

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I only post pics that I don't care where they end up.

Of course it is the person who posts them all over who is it fault. However they wouldn't have the pics if the person hadn't sent them.

Just going to give a total stranger the keys to my house while I nip into town. Hope he doesn't steal anything.

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By *randMrsNorthern OP Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

Fortunately we haven’t sent anything to anyone but if we were stupid enough to do so we shouldn’t be held accountable. You’ve seen Catfish haven’t you? There are some gullible folk out there and people abusing them and asking for videos under false pretences are technically sex offenders.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Whilst there are revenge porn laws I don't think they would apply here as there is not necessarily "revenge" involved more deception - now there may be some law that could be used around deception being used to obtain something under false pretences.

However I would think even then it might not fly dependent on proving both the intent and the consequences of the deceit.

The problem is it's very easy to pretend to be someone else and borrow pictures from the internet to support that - and the origination of those pictures could be anywhere. There are profiles here, even regular forum users who are using borrowed pics - many of them "verified" (which is actually quite easy to fake) and all we as users can do is be vigilant and report them when we find them.

It's not right that people do it and you raise a good point that it should be illegal - sadly the manpower and cost involved in upholding that law would be massive.

There's more information here:

https://www.staffordshire.police.uk/article/2292/Impersonating-People-Online

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By *randMrsNorthern OP Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

Thank you. Someone speaking a bit of sense. I understand what you’re getting at too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you. Someone speaking a bit of sense. I understand what you’re getting at too. "

The other posters were speaking sence, you just choose to ignore their points as it didn't fit with what you wanted. Please remember that people are allowed to disagree with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you. Someone speaking a bit of sense. I understand what you’re getting at too.

The other posters were speaking sence, you just choose to ignore their points as it didn't fit with what you wanted. Please remember that people are allowed to disagree with you. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure if there's a law,but there should be

Miss leading people is so wrong,but unfortunately it's going to happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure if there's a law,but there should be

Miss leading people is so wrong,but unfortunately it's going to happen "

The problem is policing such a thing is practically impossible. I think we all just need to take personal responsibility and don't share or post anything we are not happy for the world to see.

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over a year ago

"I'm not sure if there's a law,but there should be

Miss leading people is so wrong,but unfortunately it's going to happen

The problem is policing such a thing is practically impossible. I think we all just need to take personal responsibility and don't share or post anything we are not happy for the world to see. "

That's so very true ,hence when I don't do naked photos of myself

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By *randMrsNorthern OP Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

"Thank you. Someone speaking a bit of sense. I understand what you’re getting at too.

The other posters were speaking sence, you just choose to ignore their points as it didn't fit with what you wanted. Please remember that people are allowed to disagree with you. "

Sure victim blaming is speaking sense love

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure if there's a law,but there should be

Miss leading people is so wrong,but unfortunately it's going to happen

The problem is policing such a thing is practically impossible. I think we all just need to take personal responsibility and don't share or post anything we are not happy for the world to see.

That's so very true ,hence when I don't do naked photos of myself"

Exactly. Revenge porn is illegal but if someone chooses to send nude photos to a stranger on the Internet without knowing if they are who they say they are, I don't know how you could legislate against that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you. Someone speaking a bit of sense. I understand what you’re getting at too.

The other posters were speaking sence, you just choose to ignore their points as it didn't fit with what you wanted. Please remember that people are allowed to disagree with you.

Sure victim blaming is speaking sense love "

Don't be patronising! I nor has anyone victim blamed. It's is a choose to send naked photos to a stranger.

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By *randMrsNorthern OP Couple
over a year ago

Cheshire

If someone impersonates someone else (eg pretending to be a family member in need) to steal money off people then it’s a crime. It’s called fraud. That much is fact. Whether or not the victim should have been more savvy, I concede is a matter of opinion, but whatever the circumstances, nobody in the right mind would take sides with the criminal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If someone impersonates someone else (eg pretending to be a family member in need) to steal money off people then it’s a crime. It’s called fraud. That much is fact. Whether or not the victim should have been more savvy, I concede is a matter of opinion, but whatever the circumstances, nobody in the right mind would take sides with the criminal."

You are going totally off topic now.

This is hardly the same thing. I'm going to leave it here because you you don't want opinions, you want people to agree with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there were laws they would be very hard to enforce, it's to easy to stay totally anonymous online.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"Thank you. Someone speaking a bit of sense. I understand what you’re getting at too.

The other posters were speaking sence, you just choose to ignore their points as it didn't fit with what you wanted. Please remember that people are allowed to disagree with you.

Sure victim blaming is speaking sense love "

Where did I victim blame?

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"Thank you. Someone speaking a bit of sense. I understand what you’re getting at too.

The other posters were speaking sence, you just choose to ignore their points as it didn't fit with what you wanted. Please remember that people are allowed to disagree with you.

Sure victim blaming is speaking sense love "

I don't think *anyone* is victim blaming at all or saying that anyone but the perpetrators who impersonate others for whatever gain are the criminals of the piece BUT given it is not illegal to impersonate someone on-line (see link I provided further up) it *IS* down to each of us as individuals to accept that if we share something on the internet that we do not want others to see that there is a risk that they may do, because once it is out there it *IS* in the public domain whether shared privately or otherwise.

No-one is saying that is right, or that those who have their pictures shared shouldn't feel violated and abused BUT they should also be aware that it CAN happen and therefore tale steps to be careful about who they share it with - that is *NOT* victim blaming, it's common sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure if there's a law,but there should be

Miss leading people is so wrong,but unfortunately it's going to happen

The problem is policing such a thing is practically impossible. I think we all just need to take personal responsibility and don't share or post anything we are not happy for the world to see. "

I'd prefer the police to be hunting murderers not pic collectors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you. Someone speaking a bit of sense. I understand what you’re getting at too.

The other posters were speaking sence, you just choose to ignore their points as it didn't fit with what you wanted. Please remember that people are allowed to disagree with you.

Sure victim blaming is speaking sense love

I don't think *anyone* is victim blaming at all or saying that anyone but the perpetrators who impersonate others for whatever gain are the criminals of the piece BUT given it is not illegal to impersonate someone on-line (see link I provided further up) it *IS* down to each of us as individuals to accept that if we share something on the internet that we do not want others to see that there is a risk that they may do, because once it is out there it *IS* in the public domain whether shared privately or otherwise.

No-one is saying that is right, or that those who have their pictures shared shouldn't feel violated and abused BUT they should also be aware that it CAN happen and therefore tale steps to be careful about who they share it with - that is *NOT* victim blaming, it's common sense."

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