FabSwingers.com forum: Is climate change a natural cycle?.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What’s your view op?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What’s your view op?"
I believe that for the most part it is the natural cycle, you?

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

There is evidence for natural cycles in climate change (ice ages etc) but there is also extremely compelling evidence that the climate is changing due to man made factors.

It’s not an either or question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do believe so yes for the reasons you point out. We have had cyclical changes and ice ages to differing degrees of severity previously.

However I think it's widely accepted that the impact of humans on the planet is responsible for the climate change we see now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s your view op?I believe that for the most part it is the natural cycle, you?"

I believe this but also think we are contributing to it

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman
over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

I don't think we've helped, probably contributed sped things up with pollution

But I do believe there is a cycle.

An example -less than a 1000 yrs ago, right were I live was underwater, something dried the seas up, the water level dropped, new land appeared & humans moved into it.

Now we're building flood defences, piling shingle up on the beach, building a wall along the river, as the sea is starting to rise & come back

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I think it's natural in as far as human beings were always going to increase in numbers until the planet couldn't sustain them and their activities any longer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is evidence for natural cycles in climate change (ice ages etc) but there is also extremely compelling evidence that the climate is changing due to man made factors.

It’s not an either or question. "

we arnt helping but it's true there are cyclical climate events

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By *edmark07Man
over a year ago

liverpool

I'll go with much cleverer ppl than me who look into the evidence saying humans have totally abused, exhausted and fucked up this planet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It needs to hurry up west yorkshire will be beachfront property so they say

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"There is evidence for natural cycles in climate change (ice ages etc) but there is also extremely compelling evidence that the climate is changing due to man made factors.

It’s not an either or question. "

Exactly. The planet has always changed climate. The difference is that it is happening much faster due to human contribution.

The same way animal species have always gone extinct over thousands and millions of years. They are going extinct much faster due to human involvement.

The human race is a virus/plague/vermin. We show up, we destroy, we multiply, we destroy some more. Long gone are the times of coexisting with other species in a natural balanced ecosystem.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"I'll go with much cleverer ppl than me who look into the evidence saying humans have totally abused, exhausted and fucked up this planet "
I'm with him . We have . And its probably too late , it sounds awful, but I'm glad I dont have kids who will grow up to pay for our generations fuck ups

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?"

Not as much as who thinks?

And what do you know that they don’t?

Seems odd if “they” are actually virtually every expert on climatology, and their views are based on the overwhelming majority of peer reviewed science on the subject.

I mean, I suppose they could be wrong, and random people on the internet who know fuck all about it could be right.

Sorry to sound harsh, but what next? The earth is flat?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What’s your view op?I believe that for the most part it is the natural cycle, you?"

Why do you believe that when virtually all experts think otherwise, and virtually all peer reviewed research and evidence suggests otherwise?

Seriously, why would you think that?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?

Not as much as who thinks?

And what do you know that they don’t?

Seems odd if “they” are actually virtually every expert on climatology, and their views are based on the overwhelming majority of peer reviewed science on the subject.

I mean, I suppose they could be wrong, and random people on the internet who know fuck all about it could be right.

Sorry to sound harsh, but what next? The earth is flat?"
That is fine and that is your view, as I said before, extreme events have happened before and temperature changes.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The last Ice age thaw was not caused by Fred Flintstone driving a V8.

It's natural.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Shag - your statement is totally wrong. The world does have natural cycles and variation but the current period of heating, starting from the industrial age (which is very, very recent, from a climate perspective), is almost 100% due to human activity. The amount of natural causation within this period of heating is something like just 5% of the total (don't quite me on that figure - but I can find out the actual percentage, if you'd like, though it's not too different).

Humanity has to accept responsibility for causing this extreme heating. Once we fully accept this, we can then more fully take charge of helping to limit the damage that it will cause.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Shag - your statement is totally wrong. The world does have natural cycles and variation but the current period of heating, starting from the industrial age (which is very, very recent, from a climate perspective), is almost 100% due to human activity. The amount of natural causation within this period of heating is something like just 5% of the total (don't quite me on that figure - but I can find out the actual percentage, if you'd like, though it's not too different).

Humanity has to accept responsibility for causing this extreme heating. Once we fully accept this, we can then more fully take charge of helping to limit the damage that it will cause."

Exactly. I fail to see how people don't understand this. Nowhere (among the scientific community) do they state natural climate change does not exist. It is changing all the time to compensate for the shift in balance caused by the sun etc.

However the changes are currently all aided by human intervention. Speeding up the process.

Yes the ice is melting on its own, it was always going to, but because of humans it is doing so at a much faster rate than it would naturally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?"
It's evolution it evolves sod all we can do about it

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?

Not as much as who thinks?

And what do you know that they don’t?

Seems odd if “they” are actually virtually every expert on climatology, and their views are based on the overwhelming majority of peer reviewed science on the subject.

I mean, I suppose they could be wrong, and random people on the internet who know fuck all about it could be right.

Sorry to sound harsh, but what next? The earth is flat?That is fine and that is your view, as I said before, extreme events have happened before and temperature changes."

You’re missing the point. This isn’t my view versus your view. It’s the view of virtually all climate experts based on virtually all peer reviewed research versus your view.

Just because there have been extreme events before does not invalidate the overwhelming evidence for man made climate change now. To think that it does is an utter logical fallacy.

I ask again, why do you choose to disbelieve the overwhelming scientific consensus on this?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Here’s an analogy.

Suppose for years you had been leaving a mug of water outside in the sun, and noticed that over the course of an afternoon the water in the mug warned up....

Now suppose someone boiled some water in a kettle in a couple of minutes. Would you argue that that couldn’t have happened, because on numerous occasions in the past you had noticed the water get warm without a kettle?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

You saying what you have about climate change is like me telling you that the world is flat because all four wheels in a car touch the ground.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The planet is constantly undergoing change in my belief and will always adapt and evolve, some things will faulter whilst others grow stronger, some will peak then fall and vice versa.. Tis the way of things.. Imo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humanity has to accept responsibility for causing this extreme heating. Once we fully accept this, we can then more fully take charge of helping to limit the damage that it will cause.

However the changes are currently all aided by human intervention. Speeding up the process.

Yes the ice is melting on its own, it was always going to, but because of humans it is doing so at a much faster rate than it would naturally. "

Agreed, mans ways are speeding a process that is basically natural

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What does it matter?

The Earth has a life cycle,it's not going to last forever?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

climate change deniers need to stop listening to shite or reading shite.

This new wave of anti-science is just paving the way for other more extreme conspiracy types.

the science should not be subject to political or financial agendas.Unfortunately lately this has not been the case with lazy journalism,skewed politics and industry pressure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does it matter?

The Earth has a life cycle,it's not going to last forever?"

So you are happy that within the next 100 years, your grandchildren can safely sit back and say "well grandpa was right what did it matter?"-as they suffer wilder weather,a more inhospitable environment and food shortages.

Yeah go grandad, you were the best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even if there is no such thing... Shouldn't we treat it like there is?!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good climat change everyone

Whatever does that mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What does it matter?

The Earth has a life cycle,it's not going to last forever?"

That's like saying "why be nice to the people that look after us, might aswell treat em like a cunt, there just gonna die, so why does it matter?!"

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By *ired_upMan
over a year ago

ashton

There are cycles. We are overdue and ice age. So it's more compelling that we are responsible for the increase in temperature.

If you think you know different after reading the un panel on climate change then you need to let them know as you may know better than the sum total of the world's climate scientists. Either that or your on the wind up or a moron.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aren't we overdue an ice age?

Instead the climate is getting warmer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always find denying it strange because the planet will recover when we all dead and gone as a species we are only hurting ourselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are scientists on both sides of the climate change argument....

Some are financed by oil companies and the like... others are not...

The climate change argument will go on and on with some choosing to deny any human responsibility for what is happening.... i say let them... it is a waste of time going over and over it....

What is 100% undeniable is the fact that humans have destroyed millions of acres of forests.... wiped out countless species.... hammered bio diversity to a point where it will probably never fully recover in a recognisable form...

Humans are not so intelligent. If we wipe out what sustains us then we are behaving as a virus...

Man made climate change or not... we are killing our host.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

In essence.. everyone agrees that the ice is melting naturally but humankind is speeding it up. So whether it's ten years or a thousand years then the ice is gone.. it will melt anyway.

It's only a matter of time so why the fuck does it matter ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes it is natural. But we have contributed to an acceleration. All we are doing now is killing the planet for the species that live here now. This would happen anyway over time - i.e. the ice age already quoted.

So you are either happy to carry on accelerating, or happier trying to slow down the change. All a matter of where you are as a person I guess. Me, I'd like to try and help slow it down. I also believe we are probably beyond the tipping point and only a matter of time before all the trapped gas in permafrost is released. Boy will that be an acceleration.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Exactly. I fail to see how people don't understand this. Nowhere (among the scientific community) do they state natural climate change does not exist. It is changing all the time to compensate for the shift in balance caused by the sun etc.

However the changes are currently all aided by human intervention. Speeding up the process.

Yes the ice is melting on its own, it was always going to, but because of humans it is doing so at a much faster rate than it would naturally. "

Yep. This. It's natural but our activities are a catalyst.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Even if there is no such thing... Shouldn't we treat it like there is?!? "

Basically this. ^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't care won't be here if it ever does come

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In essence.. everyone agrees that the ice is melting naturally but humankind is speeding it up. So whether it's ten years or a thousand years then the ice is gone.. it will melt anyway.

It's only a matter of time so why the fuck does it matter ?"

The earth is a pretty dynamic and complex system,there is a lot involved from temperature rises,sea-levels,air currents,pressure gradients and obviously excessive man made pollution etc..

We speed things up,we get more unpredictable events and ultimately a harsher environment.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

Having watched BBC Planets I’d say very much natural. It was fascinating to learn how much the planets have changed over the billions of years to those relatively new (still billions!)

Gravity and magnetic fields can create utter destruction of a planet and the atmosphere around it. Earth is the only planet currently with an atmosphere viable to life but there is also belief that there is another that could eventually sustain microbial life forms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?"

Yes! Next!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having watched BBC Planets I’d say very much natural. It was fascinating to learn how much the planets have changed over the billions of years to those relatively new (still billions!)

In a small snippet of time let's say from industrial revolution to now, the evidence is clear of our direct impact.

There is quite a lot of satellite data showing the evidence and it's not all just from the likes of NASA.There are millions of scientists and the consensus is that we are exceeding a natural process at an alarming rate.

Most deniers never actually look into some of the 'scientists'(inverted commas due to a omission of the data in my opinion makes them non-scientific) who are deniers,not knowing they have political/financial/religious agendas.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"In essence.. everyone agrees that the ice is melting naturally but humankind is speeding it up. So whether it's ten years or a thousand years then the ice is gone.. it will melt anyway.

It's only a matter of time so why the fuck does it matter ?"

Have you got gills?

If not, that's why it matters.

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By *everstopExploringMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Yes there have been different climatic conditions over the epochs and more recent fluctuations in and out of ice ages, but the release of large amounts of the greenhouse gases which had previously been locked in the form of coal or oil is going to upset the carbon cycle. If plant growth, which results in the drawdown of CO2 out of the atmosphere, cant keep pace with the amount of release then you'll have a net increase in greenhouse gases and consequently global warming beyond natural levels. People will decide to believe whatever they want based on a tv show they have just watched or conviction they have, but perhaps we should err on the side of caution though and take preventative measures because if we are impacting on the atmosphere in the same way that say a period of heavy volcanic activity would, then there would be no way of getting the bad genie back in the bottle.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Having watched BBC Planets I’d say very much natural. It was fascinating to learn how much the planets have changed over the billions of years to those relatively new (still billions!)

So it is your belief that the mountain of evidence provided by the overwhelming majority of scientific experts suggesting recent climate change has been largely man made is, in fact, wrong?

And you have decided this after watching a tv documentary? That planets change over billions of years is not in dispute. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

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By *ired_upMan
over a year ago

ashton

"In essence.. everyone agrees that the ice is melting naturally but humankind is speeding it up. So whether it's ten years or a thousand years then the ice is gone.. it will melt anyway.

It's only a matter of time so why the fuck does it matter ?"

Well there are many low area of the world that will be lost due to climate change. If it was your house or entire country that was under water I'm sure you would care. Have some empathy!

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"In essence.. everyone agrees that the ice is melting naturally but humankind is speeding it up. So whether it's ten years or a thousand years then the ice is gone.. it will melt anyway.

It's only a matter of time so why the fuck does it matter ?"

That’s like saying it’s only a matter of time until you die, so you’d be fine about getting run over by a bus tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Given the world has gone through many massive climatic experiences and changes I’d say yes. That’s not shunning climate change nor denying it, merely observing that we’ve been here before. I’m sure the human race doesn’t help it any though.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"Having watched BBC Planets I’d say very much natural. It was fascinating to learn how much the planets have changed over the billions of years to those relatively new (still billions!)

In a small snippet of time let's say from industrial revolution to now, the evidence is clear of our direct impact.

Exactly

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"Having watched BBC Planets I’d say very much natural. It was fascinating to learn how much the planets have changed over the billions of years to those relatively new (still billions!)

So it is your belief that the mountain of evidence provided by the overwhelming majority of scientific experts suggesting recent climate change has been largely man made is, in fact, wrong?

And you have decided this after watching a tv documentary? That planets change over billions of years is not in dispute. These are not mutually exclusive concepts."

Nope I’m not saying they are wrong, I’m saying it’s not the only contributing factor

Now get down from your high horse... thankyou!

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Given the world has gone through many massive climatic experiences and changes I’d say yes. That’s not shunning climate change nor denying it, merely observing that we’ve been here before. I’m sure the human race doesn’t help it any though. "

The point is that we haven’t been here before.

Just because climate has changed in the past does not mean that the changes we are seeing now have the same root cause, or is happening at the same rate.

Did you know that the Earth is flat?

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Having watched BBC Planets I’d say very much natural. It was fascinating to learn how much the planets have changed over the billions of years to those relatively new (still billions!)

So it is your belief that the mountain of evidence provided by the overwhelming majority of scientific experts suggesting recent climate change has been largely man made is, in fact, wrong?

And you have decided this after watching a tv documentary? That planets change over billions of years is not in dispute. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Nope I’m not saying they are wrong, I’m saying it’s not the only contributing factor

Now get down from your high horse... thankyou! "

You didn’t say it was “not the only contributing factor”, you said you believed it was “very much natural”.

The overwhelming evidence suggests otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Off course yes the planet has always changed uk gets 3inches closer to the USA every year so if were going that way surely it will get warmer.and also loving all the sexy bodies on here tonight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?"

I believe it's cyclic for the most part. Humans have caused changes and I think the Ice age may have been such an event. It's amazing how nature heals and recovers relatively quickly given the chance. Good local example was the devastation from the cyclone in '87. Nature healed far quicker than most optimistic predictions. Some scientists said it would take 4 to 5 generations. It demonstrates how little we really understand our world's natural healing ability.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

Is climate change a natural cycle?. Yes of course it is.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"Having watched BBC Planets I’d say very much natural. It was fascinating to learn how much the planets have changed over the billions of years to those relatively new (still billions!)

So it is your belief that the mountain of evidence provided by the overwhelming majority of scientific experts suggesting recent climate change has been largely man made is, in fact, wrong?

And you have decided this after watching a tv documentary? That planets change over billions of years is not in dispute. These are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Nope I’m not saying they are wrong, I’m saying it’s not the only contributing factor

Now get down from your high horse... thankyou!

You didn’t say it was “not the only contributing factor”, you said you believed it was “very much natural”.

The overwhelming evidence suggests otherwise. "

I guess picking arguments is your thing * sticks two fingers up**

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By *hunderstruckMan
over a year ago

Northampton

Man does contribute by adding co2 into the atmosphere. But the earth natural co2 pummels put far more then man . From volcanoes and algae etc .

Deforestation doesn’t help either .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently it was observed to be a cycle. Warmer period is followed by an ice age and then it's warm again and so on...

This time however, something else altogether is melting ice under the southern pole. It turns out there are volcanoes under the ice that have become active again.

That's what I know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you know that the Earth is flat?"

No, but if you hum it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally don't believe we have the balance in our hands. We however can and must do something about the contributing damage we do and should be reducing it. We cannot stop or change the natural cyclic changes that are going on.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Having watched BBC Planets I’d say very much natural. It was fascinating to learn how much the planets have changed over the billions of years to those relatively new (still billions!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?"

It's proven to be aided by man. Climate change happens, but it is being accelerated by mans use of carbon fuels. This has been proven scientifically, in a study, where 97/100 scientists independently came to the same conclusion. Scientists who deny it are usually being funded by big oil companies to sway their results in favour of big oil.

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over a year ago

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

"It needs to hurry up west yorkshire will be beachfront property so they say"

Not before Rochdale pal . Wait your turn

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

One thing is for certain . The human race will not have the kind of longevity the Dinosaurs had

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Yes its a natural cycle in my opinion the trouble is temperature records have only been kept for a small amount of time in the history of the world.The whole of the middle east must have been forest at one time otherwise they would have no oil.Who knows if it gets hotter or colder every 10,000, 100,000 or a million years? we dont have records.In this day and age we are able to gather data which they couldnt 500 years ago and with that comes "experts" but they are only guessing just like all of us on here as we dont have anything to compare it to.anyway thats my take on it for what its worth.

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By *e DevilMan
over a year ago

Blantyre

I have to laugh at all this climate change malarkey and ozo e erosion blah de blah. I bet most people spouting in about it drive cars or heat their homes etc etc etc. They bang on about the littlest things are important, well if they all got tents and lived in the forest feeding off the land that is a big difference . Bet you dont see many climatologists sleeping in tents . What will happen will happen. The suns days are numbered so if your looking to the future look there.

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By *ired_upMan
over a year ago

ashton

"Yes its a natural cycle in my opinion the trouble is temperature records have only been kept for a small amount of time in the history of the world.The whole of the middle east must have been forest at one time otherwise they would have no oil.Who knows if it gets hotter or colder every 10,000, 100,000 or a million years? we dont have records.In this day and age we are able to gather data which they couldnt 500 years ago and with that comes "experts" but they are only guessing just like all of us on here as we dont have anything to compare it to.anyway thats my take on it for what its worth. "

Well that's not even true. We can look at records going back over a long time by using geology. Just because you don't know something it doesn't mean you can extrapolate that to other people don't know it. We do know it gets hotter and colder on regular cycles.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

So in your opinion, the general consensus of the scientific community, based on research and evidence, is essentially the same as some bloke down the pub guessing?

Why did you put experts in inverted commas? Were you trying to suggest they have no expertise? If so, why?

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over a year ago

it'd be helpful if you could mention the breakup of the supercontinent Pangea,it might help you understand things to better argue.

I suspect most of what you have just said mostly came from your arse.

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over a year ago

"I have to laugh at all this climate change malarkey and ozo e erosion blah de blah. I bet most people spouting in about it drive cars or heat their homes etc etc etc. They bang on about the littlest things are important, well if they all got tents and lived in the forest feeding off the land that is a big difference . Bet you dont see many climatologists sleeping in tents . What will happen will happen. The suns days are numbered so if your looking to the future look there. "

yes..

in a few billion years,note you avoid a relevant timeframe because you're talking rubbish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is so much people dont know...we know gravity exists but not what energy powers it....we know that science shows human activity is and will result in the temperature rising...but we still dont know what causes high pressure and low pressure systems to form...with so many un answered questions how can we be certain of anything...

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over a year ago

It's the process of natural evolution, the earth will evolve according to its surroundings and abuse some things are meant, some are forced

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over a year ago

"There is so much people dont know...we know gravity exists but not what energy powers it....we know that science shows human activity is and will result in the temperature rising...but we still dont know what causes high pressure and low pressure systems to form...with so many un answered questions how can we be certain of anything..."

Here is a wee analogy though, would you trust a person that says they studied cancer treatment via youtube videos,or the cancer specialist who trained and studied the subject?- science has never said it has the ultimate answers and thats when multiple sources,data collection and experiment all come into play.

Most denial of such things such as climate change, come from people reading a a snippet of information normally of a journalistic nature.If only it was that easy to become a cosmetologist by reading a few magazine exerts then we'd all be experts in pretty much anything scientific.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

We're fucked, it's our fault as all of the evidence is pointing that way. Sleep tight folks

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Just because there have been cycled in the past doesn’t mean they are all equal in length or severity, or caused by the same things.

T_e devil, as they say, is in the detail.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Exactly this. I just don’t get what it is about climate change that makes people seem to take leave of their senses, and so inexplicably and adamantly think they know better than the overwhelming scientific community.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like to think I do my bit, my company even contributes toward carbon offset plans for all the air travel I do, but there are questions I would ask.

Are there any major companies, corporations or even countries who profit from the current climate change machinations?

Who funds the research?

Who would fund the research into proving man has no effect, if this was suspected?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The biggest influence on this planets climate is the sun everything else is a drop in the ocean.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I think the IPCC reports clearly show the current climate change is man made but maybe your not sure about this?

Ok so if someone told you there was for arguments sake a 20% chance of the next plane you get on crashing do you still get on it? Or a 30% your house will burn down? You would want to do something about it?

If the climate science shows there is a 95% chance of catastrophic global warming, do you want to take the 5% chance it will be ok or do something about it?

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over a year ago

"The biggest influence on this planets climate is the sun everything else is a drop in the ocean.

I like your thinking despite it being rubbish.

70% of the earth is covered in water,that 70% however is on par with what you might call something quite moist when you compare it to the actual size of the earth.

The fluidic parts(that includes air)which contain complex life are in such a small percent that they are affected by small changes as well as larger ones.

There are probably about 10 different specialised sciences which have collaborated on climate change data.

Yes the sun is the main influencer,but that has nothing to do with mans accelerating a fragile ecosystem with a rather psychopathic and ignorant viewpoint,blaming the sun is like saying "god did it".

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By *sianMancMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I think whether it's natural or man made the fact is the world is getting warmer and weather patterns are becoming more volatile.

What matters more is how do we fix this without 1 nation or groups of people monetizing this for their gain.

The West was full steam ahead if you excuse the pun during the industrial revolution and thus got richer and far ahead of poorer nations. Now those poorer nations are catching up and why shouldn't they but of course we're a step ahead by telling them, no wait, asking them, to stop yet we still will gain financially and resourcefully from this.

Until humanity fucks it's narrow mindedness petty arguments over race religion pride ego and stops trying to always be the biggest bully in the playground but instead comes together to help one another then we haven't got a chance ever!

Let's start with Africa. Fuck their loans for fabswingers sake and help them deal with climate change and stop the 1000 other issues on the planet.

Let's stop trying to ignore the man on the street that hasn't money for shelter or food.

Stop trying to ignore your neighbours the very people next door to you who could be in need.

Start at home don't forget your parents and think they're better in a nursing home or with a dog just so you can have a life that they gave you.

Stop going ape at the way someone looks but look at their hearts.

Humanity global warming isn't the start it's only the intermission.

God help us all

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

No this is definitely man made

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over a year ago

I think it's because we feel (at least I do) that we can't directly change the outcome. We need the people in power to push new laws through to help us switch to more eco friendly ways. For example this new low emission zone in London is just a way to make money. Why not take the hit and make a better incentive for people to use electric cars - reduce the price so everyone can afford one and offer better scrap schemes for old cars. Saying we will be fully green by 2050 isn't good enough. That's 30 years! "
ahhhh but that's about humans being greedy, you know that's not going to happen, humans don't have the power to change the outcome of evolution, when the polar ice cap melts and it is sea level will rise, don't buy a house at sea level not a good investment

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over a year ago

Of course it's a cycle, but humanity has rapidly helped speed up that cycle over the past 150 years.

I remember a quote from somewhere, we're not killing the planet, we're killing ourselves, the earth will become uninhabitable and kill us off, then it will cycle again over time and carry on without us.

Greed got us here, we've known since the 1950's but it was never treated as a serious issue and certain parties were more focused on the money from certain industries.

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By *orkiebar51Man
over a year ago

Keighley

What does piss me off, and in my opinion ruins the message, is that every weather 'event' is reported on TV and is then invariably followed by the statement "is this another example of climate change"

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

You are basically saying that unless you can (easily) change the outcome of something, then the thing can’t be happening. Which makes no sense.

You can’t dismiss the science based on political decisions like the low emissions zone. Are you suggesting the science has been fabricated in order to justify these sorts of schemes?

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over a year ago

You are basically saying that unless you can (easily) change the outcome of something, then the thing can’t be happening. Which makes no sense.

You can’t dismiss the science based on political decisions like the low emissions zone. Are you suggesting the science has been fabricated in order to justify these sorts of schemes?

Nope. That's not what I said. So please don't misquote me. I agree with you completely about it being a man made problem. The point I'm making is that the average person can't afford to make the changes that are required (getting an electric car etc)

The average person can at best

Recycle

Reduce meat from their diet

Use public transport

That's it. It's the industries and government that need to lead from the front and change our infrastructure - more electric charge points, moving away from fossil fuels earlier than 30 years, zero plastic production starting the end of this year, limiting the destruction of our forests etc etc.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

You are basically saying that unless you can (easily) change the outcome of something, then the thing can’t be happening. Which makes no sense.

You can’t dismiss the science based on political decisions like the low emissions zone. Are you suggesting the science has been fabricated in order to justify these sorts of schemes?

The average person can at best

Recycle

Reduce meat from their diet

Use public transport

I didn’t mean to misquote you, but I had asked:

“what it is about climate change that makes people seem to take leave of their senses, and so inexplicably and adamantly think they know better than the overwhelming scientific community?"

And you had replied:

“I think it's because we feel (at least I do) that we can't directly change the outcome.”

Which appeared to be you saying that you felt you knew better than the scientific community, and that, by definition, the science was wrong.

Of course industries and governments need to do more, and do it more quickly. Unfortunately I guess that is a bit more like turning an oil tanker. Things are improving, and attitudes are changing. For example, all of Apples US operations now run off renewables, and they have fancy robots that take apart old iPhones so virtually all of the components are recycled.

And more electric cars are being produced by more companies, and the costs beginning to fall. With that, as much as anything, it’s new tech so takes a while to mature and become more affordable.

My point though, was that just because they might not be, does not invalidate the science, which was what you appeared to be suggesting.

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over a year ago

We really don't have anything like enough data to draw any conclusions.

We have data covering at best 200 years and most of that is sketchy. The earth is billions of years old.

It's like having a teaspoon of sea water and concluding there are no fish in the teaspoon therefore the sea contains no fish.

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

The best way scientist can go with proving that is Milankovitch cycles

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"We really don't have anything like enough data to draw any conclusions.

We have data covering at best 200 years and most of that is sketchy. The earth is billions of years old.

It's like having a teaspoon of sea water and concluding there are no fish in the teaspoon therefore the sea contains no fish."

So all the science is wrong? No disrespect, but doesn’t it strike you as odd they don’t have the same level of insight as you do?

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over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

I find the whole thing really rather depressing and worrying. Whatever/whoever is to blame I would like to see more dome to reduce its impact. We had a beautiful rich planet and it feels like it's just disappearing in front of my eyes

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

"I find the whole thing really rather depressing and worrying. Whatever/whoever is to blame I would like to see more dome to reduce its impact. We had a beautiful rich planet and it feels like it's just disappearing in front of my eyes "

Only natural, birth and rebirth cycle

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Climate change is natural, yes.

Cataclysmic events can intervene.

Think of an asteroid strike, a huge volcanic eruption or nuclear holocaust.

All those things will cause huge climatic disruption.

The industrial revolution is another.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"We really don't have anything like enough data to draw any conclusions.

We have data covering at best 200 years and most of that is sketchy. The earth is billions of years old.

It's like having a teaspoon of sea water and concluding there are no fish in the teaspoon therefore the sea contains no fish."

Look up ice coring in places like Greenland and you may revise your thinking about how much we know.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There is evidence for natural cycles in climate change (ice ages etc) but there is also extremely compelling evidence that the climate is changing due to man made factors.

It’s not an either or question.

Exactly. The planet has always changed climate. The difference is that it is happening much faster due to human contribution.

The same way animal species have always gone extinct over thousands and millions of years. They are going extinct much faster due to human involvement.

The human race is a virus/plague/vermin. We show up, we destroy, we multiply, we destroy some more. Long gone are the times of coexisting with other species in a natural balanced ecosystem."
That is right

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over a year ago

"We really don't have anything like enough data to draw any conclusions.

We have data covering at best 200 years and most of that is sketchy. The earth is billions of years old.

It's like having a teaspoon of sea water and concluding there are no fish in the teaspoon therefore the sea contains no fish."

sketchy data? 200 years old? yet you claim the earth is billions of years old.Where did that data that the earth is billions of years old come from,considering you don't find that 'sketchy'?

This is like flat earthers who claim we can't go past the van allen radiation belts due to how deadly they are,failing to cite the actual Dr that discovered and studied them helping nasa progress.His name was dr van Allen strangely enough,(you can use the same analogy for anti-evolutionists,anti-vaxxers.)

The data is there and it is not 'sketchy', nobody is suggesting the earth is not constantly changing,and with the collaboration of many scientific fields all agreeing on some mysterious cause for rapid decreases and effects,points the finger at our quite mysterious selves.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of 'one thing is certain' comments based upon a lot of speculative assumptions. Even the guesswork of millions of years and geology is based upon many theories and guesswork. Science evolves as much is based upon assumptions based upon the little knowledge we have gain, some of which can change drastically with new 'evidence'.

There's one thing that is certain and that is we don't know what will happen. We can only guess based upon information, much of which is interpreted depends upon agendas and who finances the studies.

We can only and should all do our bit to try and help. Simple.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Originally, there were five or six humanoid species.

Only one exists today - Homo Sapiens.

Did the others become extinct naturally, or did Homo Sapiens slaughter them.

The presence of Neanderthal DNA in some humans today suggests at least some population mixing.

Here is the really startling bit.

It took us 100,000 years to reach a population of 1 billion.

It has taken us 200 years to reach a population of 8 billion.

That rate of growth is unsustainable.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So stop feeding them...

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"So stop feeding them..."

Do you mean people like you?

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Who gets to decide who perishes and who flourishes?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The state as always

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By *uzukiNo1Woman
over a year ago

Rhyl

Yes! I doubt the dinasours drove 4x4,s.....

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I think climate change is cyclic from warm and wet to dry and cold etc but I think since about 1850 they say, the climate is becoming more extreme and so I believe ‘global warming’ is speeding up because of human activity.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So stop feeding them..."

Stop feeding who?

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over a year ago

"I think climate change is cyclic from warm and wet to dry and cold etc but I think since about 1850 they say, the climate is becoming more extreme and so I believe ‘global warming’ is speeding up because of human activity. "

mexico!

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

It's a way of taxing people ...and yet lots seem good with it.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

I wish that i had time to read through all of the responses so i can have a good giggle at the climate change deniers claims. Oh well, I might get time later

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's a way of taxing people ...and yet lots seem good with it."

What are some of the worst taxes?

So do think man made climate change is even real, or just, I dunno, a global conspiracy?

Maybe, just maybe, these taxes (which I suspect are fewer than people seem to think anyway), are designed not to raise revenue, but to deter from particular activities.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

No they are to raise money

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"No they are to raise money "
.....to combat climate change

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over a year ago

"No they are to raise money "

So you just choose to ignore the widely known information because you think it's some way of fleecing people for more money?

Granted,I think all these governments should stop wasting money on futile things.

However with someone like you with this basic denial,I just wonder do you not even watch the odd attenborough program,have you not seen europe going through record temps,did you not see mexico having a sudden hailstorm,have you not seen the damaging impacts on the oceans from plastic/oil pollution,have you not heard about the record numbers of disappearing animal life(the pollinators especially).

The list goes on,and these are widely reported without needing to look at graphs and maths etc.

It's pretty easy to understand the rapid decline of ecosystems as well as rapid changes in climate are the results of human complacency.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

What is it with all this pessimism. What miserable lives you must be having if you think we are all doomed to burn up in a run away thermal armageddon.

Twenty years ago they were saying we have ten years to save the planet and and yet things are better than ever. We live longer, are healthier, cure ever more of the fatal diseases. The air is cleaner, the water is cleaner. We have more food than we should be eating.

There is no limit to human ingenuity and we solve whatever problems are put in our way. Humans live in temperatures from 50c to -50c, and every day the temperature can change by 20c between day and night so a degree here or there is not going be the end of the world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Of course it's a cycle, but humanity has rapidly helped speed up that cycle over the past 150 years.

Greed got us here, we've known since the 1950's but it was never treated as a serious issue and certain parties were more focused on the money from certain industries."
That is right

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city

The only evidence that humans are involved is to do with industrial revolution lining up with a spike in heat.

This heat could have been the cause of the industrial revolution and not vice versa though. As Europe became warmer, it gave the people more time to sit down and think and come up with inventions, in a cold europe all our time would be spent surviving.

There is evidence for this in many civilizations around the globe. The Aztecs exploded as they managed their water properly and so did the egyptians, both fell as the water managment failed. It would make perfect sense for europeans to enter an age of advandced civilization as the climate hit a sweet spot.

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over a year ago

"Of course it's a cycle, but humanity has rapidly helped speed up that cycle over the past 150 years.

Greed got us here, we've known since the 1950's but it was never treated as a serious issue and certain parties were more focused on the money from certain industries.That is right

Absolutely

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?"

My view is are you a professor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do something yourselves for the environment if you are concerned about it get a local job, ditch the car, use public transportation, that would have a massive impact, cycle, walk don't talk about it do it

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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"Do something yourselves for the environment if you are concerned about it get a local job, ditch the car, use public transportation, that would have a massive impact, cycle, walk don't talk about it do it

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

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I walk and cycle everywhere, but it does feel like I'm wasting my time when the planet loses a football pitch of rainforest every minute

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over a year ago

I walk and cycle everywhere, but it does feel like I'm wasting my time when the planet loses a football pitch of rainforest every minute

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If all concerned people did it it would have an effect though

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

I walk and cycle everywhere, but it does feel like I'm wasting my time when the planet loses a football pitch of rainforest every minute

If all concerned people did it it would have an effect though "
Its mainly the Brazilian government that need to be told . The new prime minister there has started cutting it all down again for farms and palm oil. So eventually there will be nothing left and we'll all die from not enough oxygen . Think I'm being over dramatic ?? Every little helps but it's no good if the planets lungs are being destroyed.

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

"I think it's natural in as far as human beings were always going to increase in numbers until the planet couldn't sustain them and their activities any longer."

Nature is out to rebalance itself, so if you haven't had loads of fun and done the things you want to already you had better get a move on.

Any ladies who fantasize about sex with an older man please get in touch now before nature ends the human race.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan
over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"What is it with all this pessimism. What miserable lives you must be having if you think we are all doomed to burn up in a run away thermal armageddon.

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Actually it could , just a 2 degree worldwide heat rise would cause most polar ice caps to melt and sea levels to significantly rise , causing worldwide carnage , coastal areas would be fucked and more extreme weather patterns as a consequence.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The only evidence that humans are involved is to do with industrial revolution lining up with a spike in heat."

To be fair I did not know that that was the sum total of all scientific research on the subject.

Have you written the the IPCC with your findings?

Either way, it’s a bit like saying the only evidence that humans are involved with that kettle of boiling water is that hand movement lining up with the on button.

But it could have been caused by anything.

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By *utchersDogMan
over a year ago

Orpington

I had a vague recollection that during the Tudor period they had Orangeries in the country.

Given that oranges tend to need hotter than UK averages...

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By *im ZeeMan
over a year ago

north staffs/cheshire

I believe it is a cycle which has continued through time including a mini ice age not too long ago where people skated on the river Thames in winter

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Either way, it’s a bit like saying the only evidence that humans are involved with that kettle of boiling water is that hand movement lining up with the on button.

coincidence does not imply causation.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Either way, it’s a bit like saying the only evidence that humans are involved with that kettle of boiling water is that hand movement lining up with the on button.

coincidence does not imply causation."

True, but the point is that the science around climate change goes far beyond causation implied by coincidence.

In the face of all the evidence supporting the near universally accepted theory of climate change, to suggest that it’s entirely possible that actually, climate change brought about the industrial revolution rather than vice versa seems a bit of a stretch.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's pretty easy to understand the rapid decline of ecosystems as well as rapid changes in climate are the results of human complacency. "

Yes the humans driving V8s must have wiped out the dinosaur population.. I blame the Flintstone's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?"

Can you post your experience or training to say these things?

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

In William the Bastard's day, Scotland was warm enough to grow grape vines. In the Bronze age many farming settlements were high up on what is now bleak moorland. In the 1600s the sap in trees froze and Frost Fairs were regularly held on the frozen Thames.

Climate fluctuations are natural. Of course fossil fuel emissions have some effect but not that much. The Sun's activity and small fluctuations in the Earth's orbit have much more effect - and we can't control those.

But "Climate Change" is a nice little earner for some people, isn't it? Also a good excuse to control what the population does, too. Look carefully at the types who want us all to be vegetarians and want to control how we travel and heat our houses. As the saying goes, they're usually "watermelons" - Green outside but Red inside. Beware!

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Man has accelerated the warming process faster than nature can deal with...

Coral bleaching is a pointer to this..

If the rainforests are the lungs of the planet, the reefs are the "lungs" of the oceans.

Without the reefs, most of the seas will become devoid of most life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In William the Bastard's day, Scotland was warm enough to grow grape vines. In the Bronze age many farming settlements were high up on what is now bleak moorland. In the 1600s the sap in trees froze and Frost Fairs were regularly held on the frozen Thames.

Another YouTube climate expert.

Watches 3 videos and knows it all

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

Another YouTube climate expert.

Watches 3 videos and knows it all "

So did did you read the UN report on climate? Or the Summary for policy makers? Or the sensationalised newspaper articles that aren't supported by the report? Or just the apocalyptic headlines?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I walk and cycle everywhere, but it does feel like I'm wasting my time when the planet loses a football pitch of rainforest every minute

If all concerned people did it it would have an effect though Its mainly the Brazilian government that need to be told . The new prime minister there has started cutting it all down again for farms and palm oil. So eventually there will be nothing left and we'll all die from not enough oxygen . Think I'm being over dramatic ?? Every little helps but it's no good if the planets lungs are being destroyed. "

Trees are being cut down to provide grazing for cows so we can eat the beef. Cows emit a huge amount of methane. Try being vegetation if you want to make an impact. Not you, people in general....

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

So if everyone goes veggie the planet is saved... Hallelujah

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

That’s all very interesting.

So, to be clear, based on the flimsiest of anecdotal “evidence”, you think the overwhelming majority of peer reviewed scientific research on tenge subject is wrong?

Can you talk a bit more about why you would think that, and also any other areas of scientific research where you believe that to be the case?

Your last paragraph sounds a little hysterical to be honest. In case you hadn’t noticed you could say much the same thing about the opposite. You may not have noticed, for example, that the fossil fuel industry has been “a nice little earner” for decades.

And whilst “control what the population does” certainly sounds sinister, could you give some examples, and talk a bit about how they have any meaningful negative impact on our lives?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"So if everyone goes veggie the planet is saved... Hallelujah"
a rather simplistic view but you’re on the right track.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So if everyone goes veggie the planet is saved... Hallelujah a rather simplistic view but you’re on the right track. "

Well no, it would allow that all farmed livestock could be killed to save all that breathing and farting space for humans. There would be some increase in food stability which would soon allow the human population to grow and fill the breathing and farting quota. Sadly we are the problem, and less of us is the solution.

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

Clearly, Climate Change is the new fundamentalist religion. If you don't believe in it totally, you must be insulted, re-educated or even exterminated. Just wait and see!

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

" In case you hadn’t noticed you could say much the same thing about the opposite. You may not have noticed, for example, that the fossil fuel industry has been “a nice little earner” for decades.

The oil and gas industry is unfairly demonized. It provides us with the cheap energy that makes our lives possible. It allows us to live in heated houses not caves. It allows us to grow enough food to feed 7 billion people. It makes it possible to take a flight abroad for the cost of a nice meal. Cheap energy lifts people out of poverty. As people get richer they look after the environment more because they can afford to. It is why the pollution in China is so bad, just like it was in the UK 100 years ago. First you get rich then you care about cleaning up the environment.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I wasn’t demonising it. I just said that the industry generated a lot of money to highlight the point that it’s a bit of a straw man to trot out the whole ‘climate change as conspiracy to generate revenue’ nonsense.

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By *entish79Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Clearly, Climate Change is the new fundamentalist religion. If you don't believe in it totally, you must be insulted, re-educated or even exterminated. Just wait and see!

Is there a reason you’re comparing the blind faith required you to believe in an almighty deity with scientific evidence required to “believe in” climate change?

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

"Clearly, Climate Change is the new fundamentalist religion. If you don't believe in it totally, you must be insulted, re-educated or even exterminated. Just wait and see!

Is there a reason you’re comparing the blind faith required you to believe in an almighty deity with scientific evidence required to “believe in” climate change? "

So you've read the science, understood it and verified it. Or are you taking their word for it. Like religious people 'just believe'.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

" Sadly we are the problem, and less of us is the solution."

So stop feeding the planet..

It's killing us all..

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

I think government embraced climate change when it realised that, whilst nobody likes a regular tax rise, call it a green tax and it's much easier to get it through, oppose it at your peril.

Climate apocalypse also plays to people's fears that the good times can't last.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

gotta love these 'expert' deniers, claiming this is all some form of government(s) fear tactics,control of the masses,natural earth cycle,solar reasoning.

It's all some sorta hoax,but of course the governments and scientists are quite happy to tell you about it all and of course most people here have been saying things about the last ice ages,global warming periods etc.

So you'll trust the science you have learned(let's call it indoctrination as conspiritards like to call it)and are able to understand the theories and the causes expressed.However now,you can sit back and reject what information you have been given,information that you can now pretty much get access to at your fingertips because suddenly the science is 'wrong' or has an financial or political agenda because 'they'(that's the men in black for some people)must be lying.

This is exactly how anti-vaxxers,chemtrailers,flatearthers creationists,geocentrists and moonhoaxers respond to facts.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

I'm perfectly happy to accept that the world is a little warmer than it was (not really surprising given that we have been coming out of an ice age for the last 10,000 years).

What I don't accept is that we need to trash our economy to reduce our co2 emissions (which will make no difference to the rest of the world). Let's all concentrate on making the country richer so those who think it's a bit warm can get air conditioning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm perfectly happy to accept that the world is a little warmer than it was (not really surprising given that we have been coming out of an ice age for the last 10,000 years).

So the world gets a little warmer,thats climate change? Great stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm perfectly happy to accept that the world is a little warmer than it was (not really surprising given that we have been coming out of an ice age for the last 10,000 years).

So the world gets a little warmer,thats climate change? Great stuff."

Yeah, but if we burn all the fossil fuels to make electrickery to run air con that will help right?

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By *punkyMcFuckKnuckleMan
over a year ago

Glasvegas/Kilmarnock

Does it matter seeing as we live in the matrix anyway. Prove we don't I dare you

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Of course scientists are never wrong are they..

Think about GM crops.. five years later they lose all protection from insects and disease... They are the lunatics running the global warming asylum..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst yes we humans do contribute abit to it, but not as much as some think, before we was on earth there was even more extreme events and ice age, whats your view?"
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I'm pretty sure that's the view of the climate scientists as well, it's not exactly controversial

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