FabSwingers.com forum: Was the Mark Field incident assault?

By *rontier Psychiatrist OP Man
over a year ago

Coventry

Was the way Mark Field ejected the Green peace protester assault or a rightful removal of an uninvited guest (who may or may not have been a potential danger).

BBC News - MP Mark Field accused of assaulting Greenpeace activist

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48714864

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

No. It was restraint I think. He didn’t hit her and he had no idea if she had a weapon. These protesters can’t just pounce on people. There are ways and means to make your point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. It was restraint I think. He didn’t hit her and he had no idea if she had a weapon. These protesters can’t just pounce on people. There are ways and means to make your point. "
Dodging one he did look a bit aggressive in the way he grabbed her neck but then again with the way the world is now I think he did right as you don't know what peoples motives and what they are carry now are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've only stills of the incident and not a video so don't know exactly what he did, but under Common Law there is a right to use "reasonable force" to defend yourself and your property or to prevent the commission of a crime. If the force he used was reasonable based on his perception of any threat involved then he's done nothing wrong. If he's slammed her against the wall and dragged her out in a headlock though, that's entirely different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. It was restraint I think. He didn’t hit her and he had no idea if she had a weapon. These protesters can’t just pounce on people. There are ways and means to make your point. "
yes I agree and you make your points look very well

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

It is slightly uncomfortable to to see, but quite honestly I don’t care.

Another day, another divisive event.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

In this day and age of Milkshakes and worse don’t approach MPs in the wild.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe he (Field) thought that someone could be about to get a dousing with battery acid.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

It looks heavy handed. But also, she did look particularly determined.

I don’t like seeing people being manhandled anyway, it ALWAYS looks aggressive.

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk

He had the balls to get up and stop her from doing whatever she was planning to do.. all the others just sat and watched,it may have been uncomfortable to see but if she'd had a weapon,acid or a device then that would have been far worse to watch, so well done him for Doing the right thing.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd deem it to be assault. He was violent and didn't give her opportunity to discuss leaving. He looked very scary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes he grabed her by the arm ans the back of the neck , that is classed as a common assault.

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By *auren001Woman
over a year ago

birmingham

The saying “but for your actions” springs to mind. If you set out to make trouble, don’t be surprised when you find it. It’s the same argument as the right to defend yourself in your own home when someone breaks in. But for the protestors initial actions, none of it would have happened. Was it assault? No. Was it self defence? Yes. In my opinion.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

She might have had a hidden weapon. Best to be safe than sorry.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

It's greenpeace, which was apparent given the rather large sash she was wearing and they are not known for their use of knives or acid..

However having said that he reacted instinctively and whilst he was firm I don't think it was an assault..

The real issue is how so many protesters in theses times were able to walk in..

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By *c1989Woman
over a year ago

Manchester

"It is slightly uncomfortable to to see, but quite honestly I don’t care.

Another day, another divisive event.

Exactly what I thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I found it a little uncomfortable to watch at first but then the second time no. He acted on instinct, prob was a bit rough but he marched her straight out so i think he done right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Common law allows the use of reasonable force to deal with any potential threat. This includes a pre-emptive strike if you fear immediate violence. This would fall under reasonable force as he was dealing with a potential threat.

The green peace pricks know the law and they push to the limits so their buddies can take photos at just the right moment to make it look like they are being beaten up for no reason etc, they are very good at it which is why the police deploy their own evidence gatherers who film the whole incident rather than take photos.

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

No. But just now the BBC is talking it up as if he'd sexually assaulted her - but the BBC would, wouldn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes he grabed her by the arm ans the back of the neck , that is classed as a common assault.

It is but under common law that is negated by the fact he used reasonable force to deal with a potential threat.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"No. But just now the BBC is talking it up as if he'd sexually assaulted her - but the BBC would, wouldn't it? "

Not seen any mention at all of the sexual assault claim you refer to..?

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

Not assault... for all of the above reasons... (apart from those who think it was assault)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If their roles were reversed, would we be having the same conversation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Assault. No way he thought she was armed.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I think he did what was necessary to eject an uninvited person from somewhere that they weren't invited. She suffered no harm, he's appologised, end of.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

When you go into the den of the lion then don't be surprised if the lion bites...

And don't blame the lion..

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

"It's greenpeace, which was apparent given the rather large sash she was wearing and they are not known for their use of knives or acid..

However having said that he reacted instinctively and whilst he was firm I don't think it was an assault..

The real issue is how so many protesters in theses times were able to walk in..

Exactly. He shouldn’t have been placed in that position really.

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

Not seen it but in this world of terrorists no reaction is can be considered over reacting to a situation like that.

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

"It's greenpeace, which was apparent given the rather large sash she was wearing and they are not known for their use of knives or acid..

However having said that he reacted instinctively and whilst he was firm I don't think it was an assault..

The real issue is how so many protesters in theses times were able to walk in..

Exactly. He shouldn’t have been placed in that position really.

It's not as if she was the only person to gate crash, it seems there were at least five ladies who engaged with the security, and this one particular individual got to the head table.

I think you would see a lot worse in a town centre on a Friday night by door staff

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
Forum Mod
over a year ago

My Own Little World

I would say in my non-professional opinion, she probably has a legitimate claim for assault.

I think he was right to reject her from the room, but was a bit too forceful about it. I would hate to be manhandled like that.

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By *hangerMan
over a year ago

brighton

"It's greenpeace, which was apparent given the rather large sash she was wearing and they are not known for their use of knives or acid..

Just because someone is wearing a dash proclaiming to be from Greenpeace, and even shouting Greenpeace style slogans etc., does not mean they are necessarily what they appear to be. It could easily be a well planned terrorist action going under the guise of something more peaceful. There are all sorts of possible deception type scenarios and let's be thankful that this was not one of them.

Given the situation, expecting someone to calmly discuss matters is totally unrealistic.

With the very real possibility of some sort of weapon, acid, even anthrax etc., No it was not assault!

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By *elaxedcplCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

100% assault, far from reasonable use of force and in fact, very threatening and angry. Typical bully behaviour.

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

He did the right thing.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"100% assault, far from reasonable use of force and in fact, very threatening and angry. Typical bully behaviour. "

So was everyone just supposed to sit there like cabbages and take no action at all?

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By *notherGirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Somewhere

He had a good look first. Makes me wonder if he’d have been quite as “instinctive” if it were not a young woman in a dress.

Words first. That was all that was required.

Disproportionate response from him. If we can use fear as an excuse to manhandle people, we all better get used to being manhandled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely not...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I first saw it, I did think it was assault, but now that I know more, I'm not so sure.

The protester could have been carrying a weapon - he had no way of knowing.

They had gatecrashed a private event.

My question is where was security?

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By *elaxedcplCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"100% assault, far from reasonable use of force and in fact, very threatening and angry. Typical bully behaviour.

So was everyone just supposed to sit there like cabbages and take no action at all? "

Absolutely not but she looked far from aggressive and his use of force was far from "reasonable".

As someone else said, if it was the other way round, would you suggest the woman should be charged with assault?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was an appaling incident and difficult for me to watch. No woman should be manhandled by a man in such a way regardless of the reason behind it.

As for the claims of using reasonable force he was overly forceful and aggressive, he's a big bloke, he could have simply blocked her path.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

What is more surprising is the amount of guests sitting like lemons doing nothing. The man acted on instinct to protect others, putting himself in the way of danger. He is the sort of man who would defend his home and against burlars while others cower. He is a good man. It only needs good men to do nothing for evil to prevail..

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By *elaxedcplCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What is more surprising is the amount of guests sitting like lemons doing nothing. The man acted on instinct to protect others, putting himself in the way of danger. He is the sort of man who would defend his home and against burlars while others cower. He is a good man. It only needs good men to do nothing for evil to prevail.. "

The other guest sat there because they didn't feel threatened, the girl was very calm and didn't look aggressive at all.

I wonder if Field would have been quite as aggressive towards a 6ft6 220lb male? Was he overly forceful with a calm lady posing no physical threat? I think the latter, he should be charged with assault. He could have easily stood in her way and blocked her progress until security arrived but he chose to manhandled her.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It's greenpeace, which was apparent given the rather large sash she was wearing and they are not known for their use of knives or acid..

Given the situation, expecting someone to calmly discuss matters is totally unrealistic.

With the very real possibility of some sort of weapon, acid, even anthrax etc., No it was not assault!"

Could have..

But it wasn't and yes fully aware through personal experiences ta as to what if etc..

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By *ibblingnewtWoman
over a year ago

by the sea

My first thoughts were he was acting like a bully

But reading all about it I’m now thinking he shouldn’t be treated like a villain

She could have done something really bad either to embarrass or hurt, he didn’t have a clue what she was planning and he would have passed those women dressed all in the same outfits and thought what on Earth are they planning and alarm bells were already ringing, so he was already feeling on edge and was obviously acting by his instinct to protect others and just get the woman out

The whole thing was staged by green peace, they are totally to blame and he shouldn’t have had to deal with this, and if it was a bloke he would be applauded for his actions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it was. Look at the clip closely and you'll see his eyes are firmly on whatever it is the protester was holding. He attempts to grab and disable that risk, he then pushes her back but she attempts to pass again, before he then ejects her.

This is only a gender issue because some in society seek to split and divide, to cause aggro.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd deem it to be assault. He was violent and didn't give her opportunity to discuss leaving. He looked very scary"

It's hard to defend yourself vwith a smile on your face..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was an appaling incident and difficult for me to watch. No woman should be manhandled by a man in such a way regardless of the reason behind it.

As for the claims of using reasonable force he was overly forceful and aggressive, he's a big bloke, he could have simply blocked her path."

A man isn't allowed to defend himself under any circumstances if the other person happens to be female? wow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Overreaction bordering on assault.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has now been suspended as a Minister pending a cabinet office inquiry.

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By *utchersDogMan
over a year ago

Orpington

There were forty or so protesters who gained entry to the property.

This woman has become an unwitting martyr.

Men also gained access to the room, one got up to the stage and no one stopped him until he started speaking but there's not much coverage of those bits of the story.

Just the female protests who was able to bypass all security with ease.

If I was a cynical person I'd say that it was in part staged or allowed to happen.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

Good job that in a room full of 300 people and government security goons he was the only one who saw danger in a woman in a ball gown with a handful of leaflets, and the only one who felt compelled to slam her into a stone pillar and grab her around the neck

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By *arneygumbleMan
over a year ago

Catcliffe

If I'd had paid for a private event/meal with such high profile people at the table and a load of activists stormed the room, I'd be threatened pissed off then worried what was about to happen. He retained her unaware of what her motives was in a truly instinctive way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I’m getting fed up of protesters doing whatever they want and then crying when they get dealt with - regardless of whether it’s heavy handed or not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course it wasn’t assault ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I’m getting fed up of protesters doing whatever they want and then crying when they get dealt with - regardless of whether it’s heavy handed or not"

If we weren't facing a catastrophe like climate change then maybe life could be more like Enid Blyton books

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was an appaling incident and difficult for me to watch. No woman should be manhandled by a man in such a way regardless of the reason behind it.

As for the claims of using reasonable force he was overly forceful and aggressive, he's a big bloke, he could have simply blocked her path.

A man isn't allowed to defend himself under any circumstances if the other person happens to be female? wow"

In the past i've dated women who liked to settle heated arguments with their fists, i never retaliated or even moved to defend myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It didn't look good peaceful protest is a democratic right she clearly only had leaflets in her hand so grabbing her by throat wasn't necessary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It didn't look good peaceful protest is a democratic right she clearly only had leaflets in her hand so grabbing her by throat wasn't necessary "

Either way it's a massive publicity coup for Greenpeace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I’m getting fed up of protesters doing whatever they want and then crying when they get dealt with - regardless of whether it’s heavy handed or not

If we weren't facing a catastrophe like climate change then maybe life could be more like Enid Blyton books "

Everything in this world is catastrophic according to whichever news story you read. Actions have consequences, it’s a vicious circle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I once attended a work event where balaclava clad men burst in with life like guns. I felt the urge to rugby tackle one as we were sat in a big group. Stupid actors hired to grab our boss! This was at the time of Bin Laden etc. I am surprised it didn't all end in tears.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No,

It was trespass, he acted with reasonable force, where the hell were the protection officers, does that mean terrorists could have just walked into that room?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good job that in a room full of 300 people and government security goons he was the only one who saw danger in a woman in a ball gown with a handful of leaflets, and the only one who felt compelled to slam her into a stone pillar and grab her around the neck "

Good point

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman
over a year ago

Victoria, London

Indicent assault? Assault maybe, but he didn't have his hand cupping her boob or down her dress

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

Technically, yes it was assault. If you lay hands on someone, no matter how gently, by the letter of the law, that is assault.

Whether the law is right or wrong is another matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Technically, yes it was assault. If you lay hands on someone, no matter how gently, by the letter of the law, that is assault.

Whether the law is right or wrong is another matter. "

Ha ha .... what planet are u on. Uve never heard of self defence ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has been suspended from his job so someone thinks he over reacted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is assault, he had no reason to grab her the way he did, he should have left it to the security.

He could have stood up and blocked her without touching her, there's no need to put your hands on someone like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actions like this will prevent people from acting on instinct if a situation dictates it again. She was determined to be somewhere she shouldn't of been and when someone had the bottle to stop her he is persecuted for his actions. I agree slightly heavy handed but adrenaline and fear take over in situation like this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Actions like this will prevent people from acting on instinct if a situation dictates it again. She was determined to be somewhere she shouldn't of been and when someone had the bottle to stop her he is persecuted for his actions. I agree slightly heavy handed but adrenaline and fear take over in situation like this. "

He wasn't being attacked, he had no reason to be afraid of a woman walking past him, all he had to do was stand up and stop her without touching her, or let security do their job.

She wasn't a threat to anyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He wasn't being attacked, he had no reason to be afraid of a woman walking past him, all he had to do was stand up and stop her without touching her, or let security do their job.

She wasn't a threat to anyone"

Quite, in my opinion the woman in question had every right to attack Field for being assaulted and could have pleaded self defense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it was a private event with a Government minister in attendance then security should have been better.

That aside the right to freedom of speech is only applicable in the public environment (and within acceptable behaviour). These protesters were trespassers and therefore not within their right to exercise a lawful protest having been there unlawfully. How can they demand the right of freedom of speech when ignoring the right to privacy? If they wanted to demonstrate outside the venue with signs and chants then I’d gladly defend their right to do so. Gaining entry and causing a breach of the peace doesn’t give them a right to call foul when forced out.

I can’t help but feel that this is another example of a “Snowflakes” awakening to the fact that their rights aren’t more important than everyone else’s.

As mentioned Green Peace has scored a major PR stunt and another millennial is able to score a few more likes on Facebook.

Snowflakes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it was a private event with a Government minister in attendance then security should have been better.

Sorry deleated by mistake.

I can’t help but feel that this is another example of a “Snowflakes” awakening to the fact that their rights aren’t more important than everyone else’s.

As mentioned Green Peace has scored a major PR stunt and another millennial is able to score a few more likes on Facebook.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So Google informs me "The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins Dictionary's 2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the young adults of the 2010s, viewed as being less resilient and more prone to taking offence than previous generations".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He wasn't being attacked, he had no reason to be afraid of a woman walking past him, all he had to do was stand up and stop her without touching her, or let security do their job.

She wasn't a threat to anyone"

Was he telepathic? If she was going to do no harm why was she so intent on getting to him, he and everyone in the room had no idea of her in tensions. She had avaided security and with terrorism being the way it has, there is no point taking the risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On face value it looked very heavily handed. however I agree with what a lot of others have said on this post.

No one knew what she could or would do, I think it was reasonable and I don't think as much would have been made of it if she was a he.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They didn’t do anything when the big bloke jumped on Esther Mc bitch platform though eh?

Bullying is the norm

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By *019ReadyCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

"On face value it looked very heavily handed. however I agree with what a lot of others have said on this post.

No one knew what she could or would do, I think it was reasonable and I don't think as much would have been made of it if she was a he. "

Totally agree. He acted on instinct & effectively put himself in potential danger not knowing whether she had somekind of weapon or not.

She shouldn't have been there & in that split second he chose to act. In that moment, his adrenalin would have been pumping & fight or flight would have kicked in. I feel bad that he is being punished & suspended & she is seemingly getting off scot free.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So Google informs me "The term "snowflake generation" was one of Collins Dictionary's 2016 words of the year. Collins defines the term as "the young adults of the 2010s, viewed as being less resilient and more prone to taking offence than previous generations"."

The term should be banned from use in the forums as some people clearly don't understand it's meaning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He wasn't being attacked, he had no reason to be afraid of a woman walking past him, all he had to do was stand up and stop her without touching her, or let security do their job.

She wasn't a threat to anyone"

How did he, or anyone else know she wasn't a threat to anyone? Threats come in all shapes and sizes and sometimes they come from the most unlikely of sources - even sturdy women in red dresses.

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He wasn't being attacked, he had no reason to be afraid of a woman walking past him, all he had to do was stand up and stop her without touching her, or let security do their job.

She wasn't a threat to anyone

How did he, or anyone else know she wasn't a threat to anyone? Threats come in all shapes and sizes and sometimes they come from the most unlikely of sources - even sturdy women in red dresses."

Tottaly agree with this.

I seems like we live in a society we're anyone can do what they want and it's the people that stand up against somthing/someone they don't think is right. Then some who the person calling out bad behaviour is somehow the bad person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He wasn't being attacked, he had no reason to be afraid of a woman walking past him, all he had to do was stand up and stop her without touching her, or let security do their job.

She wasn't a threat to anyone

How did he, or anyone else know she wasn't a threat to anyone? Threats come in all shapes and sizes and sometimes they come from the most unlikely of sources - even sturdy women in red dresses."
she was only carrying leaflets he over reacted if he restrained her by arms instead of the throat this conversation would not be happening and he would not of been suspended

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No and she deserves everything she got very lucky not to have been shot with things how they are I'd have done the same thing if not more I agree with protesting but time and place about time people that do this are given some serious time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He wasn't being attacked, he had no reason to be afraid of a woman walking past him, all he had to do was stand up and stop her without touching her, or let security do their job.

She wasn't a threat to anyone

How did he, or anyone else know she wasn't a threat to anyone? Threats come in all shapes and sizes and sometimes they come from the most unlikely of sources - even sturdy women in red dresses.she was only carrying leaflets he over reacted if he restrained her by arms instead of the throat this conversation would not be happening and he would not of been suspended "

If she was a man, this conversation wouldn't be happaning!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

I'd prefer not to live in a fear based society which makes the physical assault of a woman by a man acceptable. The fact that most people seem to be ok with Field's actions is further indicative of the decline in modern standards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out on the street.... Assault. In a private meeting, reasonable restraint.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

No let's take gender out of this. She was a serious potential threat!

I don't want to live in a society where woman can behave as they please, simply because they are a woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

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its the new normal since trump in America and brexit here the fact you get called a snowflake for finding it shocking a politician grabbing a woman by the throat it should never become normal or acceptable I definitely agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out on the street.... Assault. In a private meeting, reasonable restraint. "

Totally agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd deem it to be assault. He was violent and didn't give her opportunity to discuss leaving. He looked very scary"
so if a burglar came into your house office you'd give them the opportunity to leave first or just hit them

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The term should be banned from use in the forums as some people clearly don't understand it's meaning.

Now there is a great example of tolerance for you...

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

Could have had a hidden knife and she was approaching the stage. Best not to take risks these days.

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

One thing that must be made clear, sebs is obvious from the footage is that he did not grab her by the throat.

He pushed her, grabbed an arm and then held her by the back of the neck.

Whether that is reasonable or not is by the by

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could have had a hidden knife and she was approaching the stage. Best not to take risks these days. "
why grab her throat instead of arms then she could of still used any concealed weapon with her arms free

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could have had a hidden knife and she was approaching the stage. Best not to take risks these days. why grab her throat instead of arms then she could of still used any concealed weapon with her arms free "

He acted on instinct! Maybe he could have reacted differently but he had seconds to react and should not be punished for a perfectly human response.

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By *c1989Woman
over a year ago

Manchester

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

No let's take gender out of this. She was a serious potential threat!

I don't want to live in a society where woman can behave as they please, simply because they are a woman. "

Exactly. If the threat isn't taken seriously what's to stop a real female terrorist carrying out a real attack in a similar way.

Oh they were wearing dresses and sashes. They must be ok...

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

He was right to intervene but he probably could have then blocked her to walk out rather than frogmarch her by the neck - however, that may have been malintent or simply his adrenaline at the situation taking over. No need for the furore it is, IMO. But worth a reminder to people not to feel they have carte blanche beyond initial reactions to manhandle, so worth a momentary comment on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The term should be banned from use in the forums as some people clearly don't understand it's meaning.

Now there is a great example of tolerance for you...

Tolerance of ignorance, i suppose i could try that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

You're not a believer in equality then? If somebody had made a grab at the guy who killed Jo Cox, maybe she would still be alive. In Field's case, a potential threat was dealt with using a small amount of force. The woman wasn't injured, but she now knows her gender is no protection.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I think the GreenPeace planners need to rethink their planning. They will have risk assessed the activity but not taken into account the recent fears of terror and knife crime etc. To do this activity in these troubled times is lunacy. It could have ended far worse. They could have peacefully demonstrated outside and still made their point. They probably used female agents deliberately as well which put them in danger..

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

Better to be tried by 12...

Than carried by 6

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

No let's take gender out of this. She was a serious potential threat!

I don't want to live in a society where woman can behave as they please, simply because they are a woman. "

I'm not suggesting that women should be free to do as they please any more than anyone else. What i am saying is that women should not be physically assaulted by men. There is a difference, i thought that was clear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

Spot on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

Spot on.

Totally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

I'm a firm believer in sexual equality but when it comes to physical attack that belief stops right there. I make no apolgies for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

No let's take gender out of this. She was a serious potential threat!

I don't want to live in a society where woman can behave as they please, simply because they are a woman.

So a woman can attack a man and he just has to take it! So a woman terrorist should not be tackled by a men! No there is not a difference in situations like this or what happened last night.

Do you not think she was relying on the fact she was a woman, less likly to be stopped/challenged!

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By *musedforlifeMan
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Assault.

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Its an unfortunate indictment of the world we live in today.

So bearing that in mind, his actions were commendable if not a little fool hardy putting himself into potential mortal danger..

Hats off to him, he acted selflessly to a potential situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure Kim Jong Nam wasn't expecting two women to rub his face with cloths laced with VX

Attacks/ attackers can come in all shapes and sizes, and in all places and the assailants can seem quite innocuous

I'm a firm believer in sexual equality but when it comes to physical attack that belief stops right there. I make no apolgies for that."

Have a look at the now many Police documentaries on TV and see how may cops it takes to restrain a violent female. What are they supposed to do get spat on, kicked and scratched because it's not politically correct to put hands on a female?

If a female member of your family were being attacked by another female I take it you would just ask them to stop then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was probably tipsy.

However, I doubt he has any formal restraint training and could have caused injury(I never restrained anyone by pushing them against walls!). His actions were impulsive and she was walking past him.

Whether you like it or not,we can't simply just jump to fearfulness or retaliation everytime a protester enters into an area ffs!

I swear it's got to the point I think if I clearly held a banana in a gun pose,people would agree I was worthy to be shot because of a 'possible threat'.

I would not say it's assault,but cautionable.Greenpeace have trespassed yes, but most of us would expect trained(make sure you understand that word it is vital)staff to deal with physical situations.

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

The question that would be posed to a court would be what right this man had to act in the first place. Was she on his property? Was he employed by the venue etc.

Then were his actions reasonable, necessary and proportionate.

I don’t think he did anything particularly violent, but question what legal right he thinks he had to take any form of action at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He was probably tipsy.

However, I doubt he has any formal restraint training and could have caused injury(I never restrained anyone by pushing them against walls!). His actions were impulsive and she was walking past him.

Whether you like it or not,we can't simply just jump to fearfulness or retaliation everytime a protester enters into an area ffs!

I swear it's got to the point I think if I clearly held a banana in a gun pose,people would agree I was worthy to be shot because of a 'possible threat'.

I would not say it's assault,but cautionable.Greenpeace have trespassed yes, but most of us would expect trained(make sure you understand that word it is vital)staff to deal with physical situations. "

*Oh and yes the event was interrupted a bit earlier too(look at how security dealt with one of the protesters in that case,quite calmly and responsibly),so I don't know where all this overreaction to thinking she had a knife/acid etc has come from.

Let's face it he was just pissed off the party was being disrupted.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

If she'd had a weapon he'd be a hero.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is perfectly obvious that many people on this thread have never , and would never either put themselves in harms way or do anything in any potential threat situation . They would just sit there , immobile . I have personally put myself in harms way probably hundreds of times, saved peoples lives and got the medals to prove it. Wake up from your comfortable armchair torpor people and stop bleating about assault . Good god .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The question that would be posed to a court would be what right this man had to act in the first place. Was she on his property? Was he employed by the venue etc.

Then were his actions reasonable, necessary and proportionate.

I don’t think he did anything particularly violent, but question what legal right he thinks he had to take any form of action at all. "

By that reasoning nobody has any right to intervine with anything!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is perfectly obvious that many people on this thread have never , and would never either put themselves in harms way or do anything in any potential threat situation . They would just sit there , immobile . I have personally put myself in harms way probably hundreds of times, saved peoples lives and got the medals to prove it. Wake up from your comfortable armchair torpor people and stop bleating about assault . Good god ."

Me too so probably best not to genralse!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not assault, just some ignorant, self entitled millennial being prevented from disrupting an event over an issue that does not exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suggest you watch the video clearly and the whole video in fact.That was not being in harms way.

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"The question that would be posed to a court would be what right this man had to act in the first place. Was she on his property? Was he employed by the venue etc.

Then were his actions reasonable, necessary and proportionate.

I don’t think he did anything particularly violent, but question what legal right he thinks he had to take any form of action at all.

By that reasoning nobody has any right to intervine with anything!

No, that’s not the case at all, and it isn’t my reasoning, that’s the law. In this country we can’t go around grabbing people because we simply want to, that would be assault. He could argue he was using reasonable force because he was trying to prevent a criminal act. But if the woman made a complaint he would probably be charged and it would be for a court to decide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He was probably tipsy.

However, I doubt he has any formal restraint training and could have caused injury(I never restrained anyone by pushing them against walls!). His actions were impulsive and she was walking past him.

Whether you like it or not,we can't simply just jump to fearfulness or retaliation everytime a protester enters into an area ffs!

I swear it's got to the point I think if I clearly held a banana in a gun pose,people would agree I was worthy to be shot because of a 'possible threat'.

You make a valid point but as far as I'm aware there were no trained security staff present. Mark Field is a lawyer and was likely frustrated at the protest I agree.

However, he seems to have acted instinctively and used the force that he (this is the important bit) felt was necessary in the circumstances. Sc 3 of the Criminal Law Act 1967 states "A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large. He didn't strike the woman or pull her to the floor which I agree is OTT. To fulfil the definition of an assault would be difficult in these circumstances.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The female of the species is deadlier than the male". I know this is just a phrase from Kipling, but it has endured and is still used today. I don't know exactly how true it is, but another phrase "no smoke without fire" comes to mind. All I know for sure is that he does make exceedingly small cakes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The question that would be posed to a court would be what right this man had to act in the first place. Was she on his property? Was he employed by the venue etc.

Then were his actions reasonable, necessary and proportionate.

I don’t think he did anything particularly violent, but question what legal right he thinks he had to take any form of action at all.

By that reasoning nobody has any right to intervine with anything!

Earlier in the evening a woman was trying to make her way towards Philip hammand, other protesters had already tried to disrupt the event. Our law says you can use resanable force if you fear for your or others safety. After the events of the evening he was perfectly reasonable!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he felt there was a threat then no(probable given they were evicted earlier & made effort to get back in). If it was an act of "don't gatecrash" then I suggest a bit of training in how to handle the public. Far better to act intelligently and show the protester up as disruptive for the sake of press coverage as happened earlier. To cry assault when clearly a trouble maker is crazy.made your point now leave. Their actions have hardly made me want to go green.

I'd love to see the same woman try that in China or North Korea who are worst environmental offenders.

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By *nowy and the GruffaloCouple
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"The question that would be posed to a court would be what right this man had to act in the first place. Was she on his property? Was he employed by the venue etc.

Then were his actions reasonable, necessary and proportionate.

I don’t think he did anything particularly violent, but question what legal right he thinks he had to take any form of action at all.

By that reasoning nobody has any right to intervine with anything!

Do you really think this woman caused him to fear for his own safety or the safety of others? Or do you think he was just pissed off a protestor disrupted the evening?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suggest you watch the video clearly and the whole video in fact.That was not being in harms way."

An unarmed female Greenpeace activist is hardly an extremist armed with an AK47. I fail to see why such a comparison is being drawn.

It was the nature of his actions that i have a problem with. If he'd simply held the woman to halt her progress and then blocked her path that would have been more acceptable

Instead he grabbed her forcefully around the neck and manhandled her toward the door. Vital seconds where he could have questioned whether what he was doing was actually the right course of action or not.

In my eyes the man is a coward and a bully.

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By *c1989Woman
over a year ago

Manchester

"The question that would be posed to a court would be what right this man had to act in the first place. Was she on his property? Was he employed by the venue etc.

Then were his actions reasonable, necessary and proportionate.

I don’t think he did anything particularly violent, but question what legal right he thinks he had to take any form of action at all.

By that reasoning nobody has any right to intervine with anything!

Do you really think this woman caused him to fear for his own safety or the safety of others? Or do you think he was just pissed off a protestor disrupted the evening?"

I don't see why not. See earlier comments from others re Jo Cox and Kim Jong nam.

She could have been carrying anything. A knife. A nerve agent.

I dread to think what we would be saying if she had and there were fatalities.

Did no one see the signs... why didn't anyone stop her...

He did right in my book.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has appoligised and acknowledged he used excessive force if he accepts that himself who are we to argue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The question that would be posed to a court would be what right this man had to act in the first place. Was she on his property? Was he employed by the venue etc.

Then were his actions reasonable, necessary and proportionate.

I don’t think he did anything particularly violent, but question what legal right he thinks he had to take any form of action at all.

By that reasoning nobody has any right to intervine with anything!

Do you really think this woman caused him to fear for his own safety or the safety of others? Or do you think he was just pissed off a protestor disrupted the evening?"

Er...most likely what you said. Dam you reality! Back to typing with one hand again I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If she'd had a weapon he'd be a hero. "

But she didn't so he's a dick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He was probably tipsy.

However, I doubt he has any formal restraint training and could have caused injury(I never restrained anyone by pushing them against walls!). His actions were impulsive and she was walking past him.

Whether you like it or not,we can't simply just jump to fearfulness or retaliation everytime a protester enters into an area ffs!

I swear it's got to the point I think if I clearly held a banana in a gun pose,people would agree I was worthy to be shot because of a 'possible threat'.

I would not say it's assault,but cautionable.Greenpeace have trespassed yes, but most of us would expect trained(make sure you understand that word it is vital)staff to deal with physical situations.

You make a valid point but as far as I'm aware there were no trained security staff present. Mark Field is a lawyer and was likely frustrated at the protest I agree.

As stated in my reply to my own post.He was aware the protesters had already been there.Trained staff were present just not at that moment.

If after his push,she had fallen and cracked her head open we all know what the outcome could be.

In my opinion,he was just pissed off at the disruption and acted inappropriately.Hence the apology.

I'll agree I don't think it's worthy of a suspension or sacking,just a caution.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The 'never hit a woman brigade' have probably never had one lunge at them with knives or a stilleto shoe.

Who knows what that woman was capable of. She could have been a suicide bomber and she certainly looked well padded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The 'never hit a woman brigade' have probably never had one lunge at them with knives or a stilleto shoe.

Who knows what that woman was capable of. She could have been a suicide bomber and she certainly looked well padded.

No she did not.