FabSwingers.com forum: The working over time culture

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What do you think of it? I dont think it is so good as you have to work more for less in some cases, whilst compared to sweden we dont have that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been there, done that, never again

I am conscientious in terms of arriving for work 10 minutes early and, if a small task needs finishing, I'll stay 5-10 minutes after my finish time rather than leave it unfinished

The days of working late into the evening and working weekends are, however, behind me

These days, many employers expect extra with little or no acknowledgement and certainly no additional return

I very much now have the attitude that I work for me, not for them

I am as compliant as far I want to be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Or they are giving you too much work

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

I work on average around 10 extra hours a month I don’t get paid for (I’m salaried with OTB) I do it because I’m renown for going the extra mile. If I thought it wasn’t appreciated I stick to my 9-5 hours!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Traditionally overtime here would be extra hours, paid at a premium. The issue/problem is salaried employees being expected to work more hours as and when required. This would be fair enough if your getting paid £60,000 and knew the score when you accepted the position.

However there us a lot of employers these days that offer a £20,000 "salary" and expect the same sort of arrangement. When your only earning that type of money it doesn't take many extra hours to effectively push you under the minimum wage.

These type of employers are going to continue squeezing every last bit of value out of their staff until we elect a government that will put a stop to it.

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By *edmark07Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Lots of ppl rely on overtime to bust there pay packet. Its more a necessity than a choice. I haven't done any overtime this last year and my pay is down about 10k on the previous year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Any overtime I do is to cover holiday and sickness. It isn't about completing your own work load necessarily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lots of ppl rely on overtime to bust there pay packet. Its more a necessity than a choice. I haven't done any overtime this last year and my pay is down about 10k on the previous year. "

I work overtime because I have no choice, atm there is no one else to take some hours from me. For the foreseeable future I'm working 16 hours overtime every week. My pay is great like but I'm sure the tax man is happier than I am

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

A lot of my work is weather dependant, sometimes it’s crap all day then 6 or7 o’clock in the evening it comes right so you crack on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Huh, how do you know what someone’s work load is. In my last job we would often work over time and we couldn’t work any harder or any more efficient.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I used to work to live not live to work. I very much have the attitude that work is necessary to fund your other activities. It's no surprise then that while I was good at my job and worked hard at it and am still in demand despite being retired I never made any huge advances in my career, would rarely be found staying late and never once took work home.

In my opinion life is too damn short.

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

I work flexi-time office & home based. I only do extra hours to suit the family/build up to take off elsewhere as we don’t get paid for it

J x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only overtime I work is generally bank holidays or the odd extra hour here and there but I’m well compensated for it. I worked the last two bank holidays and had a day off cancelled at short notice so that was overtime too. For the three shifts I picked up nearly 1200 quid.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Or whoever you work for are short staffed so get people in for overtime on their days off to cover the shortfall. Happens in my job all the time to the point you can work as much or as little of it as you like as long as you stick to the working time regs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good working over time culture everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good working over time culture everyone

This

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I do quite a bit of overtime, it's part of the job and often necessary to keep up with deadlines. I've found that there are a lot of workers who want to work the extra hours, unfortunately there are too many companies who take advantage of an unlimited supply of labour and try to get away with paying lowered rates for overtime.

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By *irth.Minge.FireMan
over a year ago

Seen in far off places

For me, it's about fulfilling the responsibilities of my role - 'getting the job done' - and, delivering results.

Working long hours is par for the course / the nature of the beast.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

I sell my time in exchange for money.

I do the time I am paid for.

I'll do the odd bit here and there extra.

But I do not give my time for free basically.

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By *lloverkisserMan
over a year ago

preston

I do it and it has only ever been to cover for staffing deficiencies and national emergencies. Nothing to do with work load.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I sell my time in exchange for money.

I do the time I am paid for.

I'll do the odd bit here and there extra.

But I do not give my time for free basically.

Agreed. It's a contract in my opinion, you give me money in exchange for my work. If I don't do the work I expect you to stop giving me money and vice versa

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By *ardiffCoupleNJCouple
over a year ago

Pontypridd/Rhyfelin

"What do you think of it? I dont think it is so good as you have to work more for less in some cases, whilst compared to sweden we dont have that."

Average UK workers: 42hrs / wk. Two more than Euro average.

Denmark =37 hrs

Holland, Italy, Belgium, France, Sweden and Ireland average 39.

Despite this in 2017 Britain was ranked 14th in terms of output per worker per hour.

Not very good really. Still now we are nearly free of the shackles of Europe, we'll be able to ignore European working directives & all work even longer hours.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

I'll remember to leave a colleague with a queue of customers tomorrow then. I won't start a few minutes early or finish a few minutes late.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

My firm caps OT at 100hrs / month. If given the chance a lot of my colleagues would work more than that

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

I'll remember to leave a colleague with a queue of customers tomorrow then. I won't start a few minutes early or finish a few minutes late. "

Or if I ever do care work again I'll leave them on the floor or skip a few so I can finish on time. It's not that black and white with some types of employment as I've just demonstrated.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

I rarely work overtime, 5 hours a day putting up with people verbally abusing me on the phone when their delivery hasn’t happened due to them not being at home to answer the door is more than enough!

I will occasionally do an extra hour if asked but it doesn’t happen often. Call centre customer services can be very hard on a person’s mental wellness, it keeps me sane knowing that I only work part time and get to go home at lunchtime

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

I had a new boss recently. He is very good about work life balance.

If one of our team sends emails over the weekend or into the evening, he will pull us up on it at our team meetings. He will tell us to leave it until the next day.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The classic evening thread bump, well played Sir, well played.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gotta stay til the work is done in both our jobs.

Problem is you're at the mercy of others efforts too, and in my case.... the public

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

I used to work 55 hour weeks.

Did it for 6 years.

Initially because I needed the money, and then because I got used to the money.

It made me ill.

And it was great once I stopped.

Now work 18 hours a week. Yes I'm earning much less but my quality of life is a million times better.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Well in my industry there's always plenty of overtime on offer and we don't give it away free. We are contracted so many hours a week at the rate agreed. If they want anymore labour outside of what's contracted that's ours to negotiate our own price for. Remember you labour is yours to sell, don't give it away to those that abuse you as a producer to line their own pockets. The money is better in your household than it is adding another extention onto the gaffer's mansion.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

There was a time in my life when I did but that was a very long time ago. I don’t routinely do it now.

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By *r on the EdgeMan
over a year ago

accrington

By the time iv finished this week on Sunday at 11am I’ll have done 24hrs overtime on top of a normal 39 hour week

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By *ustfun 1984Man
over a year ago

exeter

I love the overtime pay is really good and money comes in handy to treat kids etc and have the luxury items that makes doing the overtime worth while

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By *ristolcouple21Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

I do overtime both paid and unpaid. Unpaid, I’m often leaving late and not always taking breaks, it’s the type of Job I do.. I can’t just walk out on the clock.. Paid, I’m often picking up shifts because of short staffing!

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

To be fair I don't really do over time any road. I'm a single parent so most of the time overtime is not possible because of the kids. On the rare occasion I do over time, I demand a high price for it because I really value my down time so it needs to be worth while. After all I don't need to do it or rely on it. If they ask me, they need it, so they pay it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

10 years with my company. I did it at first and it was rewarded, all good. And then it felt like it became the norm and not rewarded anymore. I stopped.

It’s give-give in my views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you think of it? I dont think it is so good as you have to work more for less in some cases, whilst compared to sweden we dont have that."

Work to live, not live to work!

One place i worked for had mandatory overtime!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Been there, done that, never again

I am conscientious in terms of arriving for work 10 minutes early and, if a small task needs finishing, I'll stay 5-10 minutes after my finish time rather than leave it unfinished

The days of working late into the evening and working weekends are, however, behind me

These days, many employers expect extra with little or no acknowledgement and certainly no additional return

I very much now have the attitude that I work for me, not for them

I am as compliant as far I want to be"

Good points there. I am similar, but being self employed I work the hours that suit me now. Some jobs/companies do recognise/appreciate their employees so they do get paid overtime plus bonuses. Can be ideal if need extra money

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

No one lies on their death bed wishing theyd spent more time in work...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I’m single and live alone I have to work overtime to pay for everything , I have to work at least and extra 30 hours a month to get by, yes it means I have no life but I means I have a roof over my head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All the young single ones lap up the over time at work and they are all living it up with their holidays and living their best lives. I work 50 hours a week, permenant night shifts as well as having a young family. I'm pretty sure if I did any more I'd run myself into the ground

I'm like some permenantly exhausted pigeon with a messed up body clock ugh

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

There's some very out of touch people on this thread. It's not about not getting all of your work done. Some sectors now only take people on with contracts of something like 4 or 8 hours which is an absolute pittance to live on. They're promised endless amounts of overtime in interviews and the sad reality is that once they get in they're clawing at whatever they can get. Where I work we haven't had overtime for months but am lucky I'm on a decent contract which allows me ro live. I laugh when people spout off about unemployment being down. Getting a shit contract with a couple of hours is just as bad as being unemployed. Who would really work all these extra hours if they didn't need it? Not many.

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By *hekaiserMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

My mantra too. Plus with overtime....unless I work crazy hours, most of it goes to HMRC in the shape of tax....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work 37.5hrs a week, rarely ever work overtime. If I stayed till work was done, I'd be there 24/7 as there is always stuff to do without fail.

I get paid my standard hourly rate for overtime and don't get any extra. I will do overtime if something urgent needs done or whatever. But I rarely do that.

~Mia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work a ridiculous amount of hours ..it’s . Nature of my job , but I love it , just need to somehow do less

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

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Would agree with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Would agree with you"

Depends on the industry

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Would agree with you"

So just out of curiosity, do people who actually think like this feel that people have personal limitations, or that employers might try and take the piss a little bit where employing a decent amount of staff is concerned? Or is it always just that people are lazy bastards and should work themselves to the bone regardless for a wage that doesn't always reflect the work they do? Are we really this simple or basic in our understanding of what is going on in the world?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Would agree with you

Depends on the industry "

This.

Contracted 40 hours a week! Do more like 50 hours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Would agree with you

Depends on the industry

This.

Contracted 40 hours a week! Do more like 50 hours.

Also depends on seniority.

A few of the Company directors where im contracted I know work every hour available.

I work as long as needed to get the job done. Some days that will be within normal hours 8-5, other days ill still be going at midnight. Comes with the job and is reflected in my package.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Would agree with you

Depends on the industry

This.

Contracted 40 hours a week! Do more like 50 hours.

Also depends on seniority.

A few of the Company directors where im contracted I know work every hour available.

I work as long as needed to get the job done. Some days that will be within normal hours 8-5, other days ill still be going at midnight. Comes with the job and is reflected in my package."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personnaly don't do overtime. If you can't do your job in normal hours, you're not working hard enough.

Would agree with you

Depends on the industry

This.

Contracted 40 hours a week! Do more like 50 hours.

Also depends on seniority.

A few of the Company directors where im contracted I know work every hour available.

I work as long as needed to get the job done. Some days that will be within normal hours 8-5, other days ill still be going at midnight. Comes with the job and is reflected in my package."

Yep, as a manager I'm expected to do longer shifts. I'm salaried, but do get overtime paid on top, and will get extra holidays to reflect my time taken. This is on top of bonus's for performance and extra holidays for not taking sick days.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

I know of a hotel company where staff are on contracted 40 hours p.w. for 5 days out of 7 but always end up working 6 or even 7 days, on 12 hrs per day. Come Pay Day, the payroll dept will have only paid for 40 hours (per contract) as the exceeded hours hadn't been approved on advance dept hourly budgets.

This kind of hours skulduggery is getting worse.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

"I know of a hotel company where staff are on contracted 40 hours p.w. for 5 days out of 7 but always end up working 6 or even 7 days, on 12 hrs per day. Come Pay Day, the payroll dept will have only paid for 40 hours (per contract) as the exceeded hours hadn't been approved on advance dept hourly budgets.

This kind of hours skulduggery is getting worse."

Someone who gets it completely.

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

I work far more hours than I’m paid in fact my contract expects 15 hours a month over and above before I can claim it back and even then it’s toil and not paid but I’m in a career were there aren’t enough hours in the day and I can’t just say it’s 5pm I’m off if things are in crisis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I receive a salary, plus if I'm lucky and doing well at my job I get a bonus related to various kpi's. I have a job to get done, a business to grow, in whatever way I see fit, sometimes I work very long days and travel lots, and sometimes I get paid by my company to shag Saffie during the week. I'm happy about that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I receive a salary, plus if I'm lucky and doing well at my job I get a bonus related to various kpi's. I have a job to get done, a business to grow, in whatever way I see fit, sometimes I work very long days and travel lots, and sometimes I get paid by my company to shag Saffie during the week. I'm happy about that

Don't tell my boss

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

This kind of hours skulduggery is getting worse.

Someone who gets it completely. "

I used to work for that company as a Salaried manager but my hourly rate equivalent was as low as £3 ph.

I finally walked out & went freelance via agencies, earning pro-rata around £24k pa. My ex-company still cheated me out of £2.5k holiday & unpaid salary. Tribunal did nowt for me either.

But I work in decent place now. No stress and I get paid well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stopped all over time when my kids arrived. 40 hours a week is too much time away from family refused to do longer hours. Had plenty of arguments with bosses but did them family comes first.

When I started work my Dad told me when you work for a company you sell them your time. Even if you win big on the lottery you can never buy that time back.

No point getting to retirement and thinking I was never at home for family. Work to live not live to work.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

One thing this thread as highlighted to me is the amount of people working on terrible terms and conditions. I suspect most people in jobs that have such conditions are not unionised. People dont have faith in unions or understand the potential of their collective power to change things. From someone who in a industry with great solidarity and terms and conditions doggedly protected by our union it's hard to understand why more people don't unionise. To all those people I say McStrike (look it up). Rather inspirational how all those McDonalds workers joined the bakers union, took on the might of McDonald's and won.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Have you ever seen a gravestone inscribed with: "He wished he had spent more time at the office"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gotta stay til the work is done in both our jobs.

Problem is you're at the mercy of others efforts too, and in my case.... the public

Yes indeed may sweet. Or in the final days in my case, clients too. A client may give a specification, then once completed to that spec say "Hmmm, well actually I've had a rethink..." This happened on my just completed job 5 bloody times concerning 3 structures...

This week was also only a 4 day week as have time off booked in the latter half, but still nearly punched 50 hours actual physical work, plus copious amounts of driving, about 18 hours in total there?

85-90 hours work plus 25 hours driving can happen regularly.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

I do a lot of overtime but can remote connect into work which helps.

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