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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture."

I love the architecture and craftsmanship but thats as far it goes.

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By *ersnickety PantsWoman
over a year ago

Club Meets Only

I'm now more curious to know if anyone has gotten up to any naughtiness inside a church

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

If I walked into a church the holy water would start to bubble

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I've not really thought about the significance of the building them self. I guess doom paintings are quite repressive. Often the older churches are statements of power wether it's the churches power or a symbol of other people's power. Just look at St Paul's Cathedral London, a real symbol of the State and its ambitions, I guess hence the pineapple on top of the dome. But religion has always been a double edge sword. Often it has been used to control and hold power but it has also provided the strength for many a revolution or change of power. Religion has also empowered the down trodden.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm now more curious to know if anyone has gotten up to any naughtiness inside a church "

I was told to take my hat off in Salisbury Cathedral once, does that count?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Feats of human endeavour and creativity. Unfortunately often in oppressive circumstances.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture."

I agree, such beautiful buildings but with such awful connotations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes as architects had to get paid and church had the money.

Same as art....commissioned to paint is not Devine intervention to paint ceilings.

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear. "

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear. "

Agree in general but I think the extent of this very much depends of the era, school of design and the leading religious intent/nature of the people who envisioned it. Not all churches are the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear.

Agree in general but I think the extent of this very much depends of the era, school of design and the leading religious intent/nature of the people who envisioned it. Not all churches are the same."

True. You've got that Cathedral for a start

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've not really thought about the significance of the building them self. I guess doom paintings are quite repressive. Often the older churches are statements of power wether it's the churches power or a symbol of other people's power. Just look at St Paul's Cathedral London, a real symbol of the State and its ambitions, I guess hence the pineapple on top of the dome. But religion has always been a double edge sword. Often it has been used to control and hold power but it has also provided the strength for many a revolution or change of power. Religion has also empowered the down trodden."

I agree with you entirely but i'm more interested in people's views of the buildings themselves.

For example: why are they so tall? A Christian would say it's the human desire to get closer to God. To me it's so that they can be seen from miles around as a stark reminder to the local population that God is watching them. They've also served as magnets for inconceivable amounts of wealth, usually at the expense of the surrounding countryside.

Further to that they've almost always entirely been built on top of sites already held sacred by the indiginous religion, they didn't have to do that and i think that that says it all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was in Prague a couple of weeks ago. The churches are absolutely phenomenal buildings of beauty and seem to be on every corner. However the irony that the Czech Republic is the most atheistic European nation is noteworthy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear.

Agree in general but I think the extent of this very much depends of the era, school of design and the leading religious intent/nature of the people who envisioned it. Not all churches are the same."

Of course, not all of this can be applied to churches built in more recent times, the architecture itself is testament to that.

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

It all went to pot when religion got linked to empire at the time of Constantine. Some of the buildings are impressive. And many have been very well used to serve the community for centuries. But technically the church is the people and not the building.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

You hear people say ‘it’s priceless’ for objects like paintings and sculptures etc. I visited the Vatican (St Peter’s Basilica) and the shear size a beauty of the place is phenomenal. There are numerous 15 feet high solid gold sculptures in there plus 100’s of pieces of work by artists such as Michelangelo, de Vinci, Raphael and Caravaggio. Now this place really is priceless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Old churches, and their stained glass windows are wondrous places to visit...

I'm lucky there are quite a few architectural gems scattered around north Wales and Cheshire...

I'm a bit of a geek about it tbh

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

My grandparents used to live near an old norman church. Its absolutely beautiful.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear. "

Pretty much this would add control and oppression..

But would say that they bring comfort and solace to people too..

The concept of faith is something a bit mysterious and a little fascinating..

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture."

Ditto. I've been no fan of organised religion since i was perhaps 7 years old... I even feel "wrong" entering places of worship.... But I appreciate a great cathedral or church, or even an old smsll village church.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On balance I find the vast majority of religious people both employees, and customers, are good people with good social intent.

Obviously there will be bad people who will use the social structure to their own ends, and when exposed tarnish the whole group.

Apart from the fact I don't believe in their gods, I think the power of churches to unite groups of people should be respected and the achievements of those groups to fund and often build impressive buildings, works of art, aid stations, hospitals, and schools, etc. shows what can be achieved by working as a unit.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

The architecture is often beautiful and fascinating. The ideas they convey are just nuts. I (Luke) used to be a committed Christian for over a decade. Now, the more I think about Christianity, the more incoherent and immoral it seems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture."
me too love these structures have been in many and taken a few pics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

I love finding either a small, very old church or a majestic large one and exploring inside and outside taking photos.

Some favourites are :

Sagrada Familia in Barcelona

St John's co-cathedral in Valletta

Waltham Abbey church

Radwell church

All different and beautiful in their own ways.

But the religion.... Nope... Never.... Wholly incompatible with the way my brain is wired.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries. "

Often erroneously.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

The most jaw-dropping church building I have seen is the cathedral in Florence.

On a different scale, we went to Durham over the weekend and visited the cathedral there. They have built a replica out of Lego and it's amazeballs! Check it out!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/35362429

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Stunning buildings, symbols of superstition and fear.

Pretty much this would add control and oppression..

But would say that they bring comfort and solace to people too..

The concept of faith is something a bit mysterious and a little fascinating.. "

True, but bringing unity and comfort is not the sole preserve of Christianity. Finding solace through religious practice is the common thread that links all religions.

My point is is that you don't need an often massive, ostentatious building for which it's the only reason it was built in the first place to do it in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries.

Often erroneously. "

How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect?

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries.

Often erroneously.

How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect?"

Anyone who chooses to do so. Religion is not and must not be above doubt and question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries.

Often erroneously.

How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect?

Anyone who chooses to do so. Religion is not and must not be above doubt and question. "

I think that you have the wrong idea about religion. There’s a difference between faith and, whatever it is the likes of isis etc have.

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

Considering religion was responsible for biggest murders on humanity,

Burn them all and forget about religion

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries.

Often erroneously.

How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect?

Anyone who chooses to do so. Religion is not and must not be above doubt and question.

I think that you have the wrong idea about religion. There’s a difference between faith and, whatever it is the likes of isis etc have. "

I believe that faith in the Abrahamic concept of God is misplaced.

That has nothing to do with isis, nor Isis.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

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By *edmark07Man
over a year ago

liverpool

I love to visit churches and cathedral's on city breaks. I love the architecture and often the peace and coolness from what can be quite oppressive heat on a break. I also love the history involved but I'm in no way religious myself. As an aside Liverpool cathedral is the UK's biggest and the biggest protestant cathedral in the world, 5th biggest overall with a number of 1sts. Biggest and highest peel of bells and highest internal arches amongst them. Told ye I was a geek

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No where near as oppressive as the banks. Churches have brought people solace and hope for centuries.

Often erroneously.

How so? If someone desires to have faith based hope, who is anyone to judge it as incorrect?

Anyone who chooses to do so. Religion is not and must not be above doubt and question.

I think that you have the wrong idea about religion. There’s a difference between faith and, whatever it is the likes of isis etc have.

I believe that faith in the Abrahamic concept of God is misplaced.

That has nothing to do with isis, nor Isis. "

You’re not being very forthcoming with your reasonings for this. It also does include isis, Islam is abrahamic...

Just a point on the latter half of your post, isis never chose the name - the broadcasting media did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If i ever win the lottery i want a converted church as a home, original architecture but untra modern. I find them very very peaceful plus the acoustics for piano are just amazing

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

You’re not being very forthcoming with your reasonings for this. "

I'm unsure what you're seeking. If pushed to describe my beliefs, I'd say I'm nearest to secular humanism.

Someone said that faith in religion is often misplaced. I agree.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in. "

There are those that choose to believe in particular deities and those who choose to believe in none. Neither view can be judged as correct or incorrect but there is a marked difference between religion and faith. Religion should always be open to question but faith, by it's very nature, exists beyond it. This, i think, is where it all starts to go wrong.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise. "

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

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amen

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never CAUSED anyone to die/be killed, just as tiny upper lip moustaches never caused the genocide in ww2. If you need someone to blame for all of the world’s ills, you should start with mankind.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

Organised religion is responsible for more deaths in history than any other concept.

And in the Bible, God is personally responsible for orders of magnitude more deaths than Satan......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Organised religion is responsible for more deaths in history than any other concept.

And in the Bible, God is personally responsible for orders of magnitude more deaths than Satan...... "

I guess that you should start the bonfire then....

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

"Organised religion is responsible for more deaths in history than any other concept.

And in the Bible, God is personally responsible for orders of magnitude more deaths than Satan...... "

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Accualy more people died in China during ww2 than from nazi Germany but OK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Accualy more people died in China during ww2 than from nazi Germany but OK "

I don’t think that you understood my point.

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Accualy more people died in China during ww2 than from nazi Germany but OK

I don’t think that you understood my point.

I did mate

It's not religion its man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Accualy more people died in China during ww2 than from nazi Germany but OK

I don’t think that you understood my point.

I did mate

It's not religion its man

Man created religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

You're right, religion isn't the cause, but a lot of the time it's the excuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

The problem is if you eradicate religion, it will be skin color or hair color, if not that it will be eye color.

Human nature to have more power and chase the money.

No war or homicide was never commited over nothing else than personal gains, and religion is just a tool to force the masses to do just that, so the upper privilege cast can gain just that

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

I'm a heathen but I love church architecture.

Liverpool Anglican cathedral I'd one of my favourite buildings. I've done a (tiny) bit of building work in my time and I am in awe of the vision, skill and determination it must take to get a building like that completed.

Amazing dedication and workmanship

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

"I'm a heathen but I love church architecture.

Amazing dedication and workmanship"

That's true, but when I look at it it just makes me wonder how much blood that magnificent building costs

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

And coming back to holocaust,

It's worth to mention concentration camps been developed by English during boer wars,

Nazis just improve them

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

"I'm a heathen but I love church architecture.

Amazing dedication and workmanship

That's true, but when I look at it it just makes me wonder how much blood that magnificent building costs "

Every city that grew up as a result of the industrial revolution will have been built on the blood and sweat of the working poor or the slave trade.

Every stately home.

Every Victorian railway line and tunnel was probably carved out by Irish navvies paid a pittance.

Worth thinking about too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few "

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

The Bible/Quran/Torah has never caused these atrocities, the thick and greedy do. It’s unfortunate that it gets such a bad reputation due to it being USED and abused by such kind. It in itself has nothing to do with any of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm a heathen but I love church architecture.

Amazing dedication and workmanship

That's true, but when I look at it it just makes me wonder how much blood that magnificent building costs

Every city that grew up as a result of the industrial revolution will have been built on the blood and sweat of the working poor or the slave trade.

Every stately home.

Every Victorian railway line and tunnel was probably carved out by Irish navvies paid a pittance.

Worth thinking about too.

Everyone that wasn’t rich, was a slave in Victorian Britain. Just look at the children forced into the cotton mills.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And coming back to holocaust,

It's worth to mention concentration camps been developed by English during boer wars,

Nazis just improve them "

That's a fairly common misconception - the basic idea of forcing enemy civilians to leave their homes and gather in one place under guard is thousands of years old. The ancient Assyrians did it. The Inca of Peru did it. The term was first coined by the Spanish in Cuba in the late 19th century.

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

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over a year ago

Hull

"And coming back to holocaust,

It's worth to mention concentration camps been developed by English during boer wars,

Nazis just improve them

Not resettlement, accual concentration camps where ppl been killed in groups.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture."

A symbol of community if you ask me.

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over a year ago

"The problem is if you eradicate religion, it will be skin color or hair color, if not that it will be eye color.

Human nature to have more power and chase the money.

No war or homicide was never commited over nothing else than personal gains, and religion is just a tool to force the masses to do just that, so the upper privilege cast can gain just that

Explain Northern Ireland then. What personal gain do the catholic’s have from hating prods and vice Versa ? Purely religion.

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things."

Define evil, I can argue that Hitler was accualy good, one of not many politicians in history which accualy delivered for people, give Germans jobs,sense of belonging, and bread on the table

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

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"The problem is if you eradicate religion, it will be skin color or hair color, if not that it will be eye color.

Human nature to have more power and chase the money.

No war or homicide was never commited over nothing else than personal gains, and religion is just a tool to force the masses to do just that, so the upper privilege cast can gain just that

Explain Northern Ireland then. What personal gain do the catholic’s have from hating prods and vice Versa ? Purely religion. "
get free from Imperiistic Britain, religion was just a factor to gather people to fight common enemy, it sounds better to fight anvlican heathens than fight mighty england

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"The problem is if you eradicate religion, it will be skin color or hair color, if not that it will be eye color.

Human nature to have more power and chase the money.

No war or homicide was never commited over nothing else than personal gains, and religion is just a tool to force the masses to do just that, so the upper privilege cast can gain just that

Explain Northern Ireland then. What personal gain do the catholic’s have from hating prods and vice Versa ? Purely religion. get free from Imperiistic Britain, religion was just a factor to gather people to fight common enemy, it sounds better to fight anvlican heathens than fight mighty england "

Fighting amongst themselves about the same Christian god!!!

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

"The problem is if you eradicate religion, it will be skin color or hair color, if not that it will be eye color.

Human nature to have more power and chase the money.

No war or homicide was never commited over nothing else than personal gains, and religion is just a tool to force the masses to do just that, so the upper privilege cast can gain just that

Fighting amongst themselves about the same Christian god!!! "

Not about god, about interpretation of bible if something,

All though the fight was over united Ireland not religion

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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things."

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

Let’s look at it as an us vs them, which society in the west is attempting to do away with; which is the true reason for all of this. If there were no ties to religion it would be socialist v conservative, white v black, one rock of land v the other. Humanity needs no excuse for hatred and stupidity, though we always like to have something to blame.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

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over a year ago

Symbols of power and excess.

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over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts. "

Who’s being naive here? Most religious people lovely? Muslims think that they have final solution. Xtians happy to see people burn in hell forever...jews gm their own kids...brainwashing children is not lovely. Believing fairy tales is the childish behaviour of the naive.....anti abortion, anti gay doctrine...no equal rights...taking tax money to fund churches and head of Church of England!! Lovely?? Wow

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts. "

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY

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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY "

How come they aren’t appalled that gay people can’t get wed in church? That their god is sending me to hell for all eternity for not believing in him? Not appealed the god they worship drowned every baby on the planet and now lets 20,000 die of preventable illnesses every single day? How come they aren’t appalled their god condones slavery ? Says a woman sex victim should marry their abuser? If they were nice people, the Christians would not worship that god. They should turn away from that evilness and abandon such heinous beings.

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Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither

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over a year ago

Hull

"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither "

Good point

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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY

You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.

You’ve also just accused every Muslim as being a terrorist, Christian sadist and Hebrew of [word that cannot be used]. I mentioned before, it’s a philosophy, it’s a map of how to live ones life, it can be applied and utilised to get through life’s hardships.

May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?

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"I'm now more curious to know if anyone has gotten up to any naughtiness inside a church "

Priests... rhyming slang is closer than they think... "dirty beasts"

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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither "

Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex.

We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course

Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought.....

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Theres a great section in The Crow Road by Iain Banks where a central character has a d*unken argument that churches aren't a symbolic testament to the power of God, but an example of the ingenuity, artistry and determination of mankind. He then gets struck by lightning trying to climb the steeple.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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People used to try to buy their place in heaven, through religious donations - the rich were fine, whilst they let the poor struggle, never having any cash for their food etc.

The major western religions have acquired wealth, as part of their desire is power. We've still got royalty that have been leeches, via acquisition of power and riches from the everyday person, who has learned to be subservient.

It's good that more people no longer fear the afterlife and punishment etc.

Some religious buildings are amazing, though they aren't my place of frequent abode.

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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither "

And some would say we need religion to have morals.

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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither

And some would say we need religion to have morals. "

Yes. Christians do and get the from god. The same god who wakes unruly children stoned to death! Morals! Chortle

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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither

And some would say we need religion to have morals. "

Do you think all those who have no religion also have no morals?

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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither

Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex.

We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course

Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought....."

Human thought stifled by religion. Beliefs need some evidence. Belief in the supernatural is absurd .

As for these mass shooters....many are atheists? Is that fact are a simple assertion without evidence?

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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither

Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex.

We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course

Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought.....

Human thought stifled by religion. Beliefs need some evidence. Belief in the supernatural is absurd .

As for these mass shooters....many are atheists? Is that fact are a simple assertion without evidence?"

The clue is in the name - 'faith based'

What evidence do you need? The stories in the bible are metaphorical analogies, there is no need to prove if there was a giant boat or man in the sky: as it's irrelevant to what the true meaning is...

The terrorists and religious groups that commit atrocities are not doing so for religion, they're doing it for the same reasons in which you give for disliking religions.

Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online)

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

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Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online) "

They did not kill in the name of atheism, nor to propagate atheism.

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By *uilder506Man
over a year ago

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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture."

As a builder I would agree, plus I have had a couple bjs outside my local church lol

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By *xperimentalistMan
over a year ago

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I love the smell of incense in old churches.

As for being naughty, played cards for money during a school annual service many moons ago, does that count?

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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither

Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex.

We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course

Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought.....

Human thought stifled by religion. Beliefs need some evidence. Belief in the supernatural is absurd .

As for these mass shooters....many are atheists? Is that fact are a simple assertion without evidence?

The clue is in the name - 'faith based'

The terrorists and religious groups that commit atrocities are not doing so for religion, they're doing it for the same reasons in which you give for disliking religions.

Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online) "

Where can I look that up? And how many and in the name of atheism?

Besides that....it still doesn’t make a god or god’s a real thing

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Like most things, few of us who do not understand something appreciate the finer qualities it may offer. Often those of us who do not understand can be cynical. This could be said about asking such a question to fabbers. Much like asking at a conference of nuns for their experience of and understanding and deep value of sexual expression.

Both sides will have their cynical views.

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"Like most things, few of us who do not understand something appreciate the finer qualities it may offer. Often those of us who do not understand can be cynical. This could be said about asking such a question to fabbers. Much like asking at a conference of nuns for their experience of and understanding and deep value of sexual expression.

Both sides will have their cynical views."

Skeptic rather than cynical myself.

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Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online)

They did not kill in the name of atheism, nor to propagate atheism. "

They killed because of sex.

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"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither

Plenty of mass shooters though, yes. Mainly due to sex - either not getting any or, infidelity. We should ban sex.

We should also ban feminism: Amazon’s that, wish to slaughter all men, of course

Let’s just ban everything and, disallow any belief and human thought.....

Human thought stifled by religion. Beliefs need some evidence. Belief in the supernatural is absurd .

As for these mass shooters....many are atheists? Is that fact are a simple assertion without evidence?

The clue is in the name - 'faith based'

The terrorists and religious groups that commit atrocities are not doing so for religion, they're doing it for the same reasons in which you give for disliking religions.

Those mass shooters are atheists according to their suicide notes. (journals which are all online)

Where can I look that up? And how many and in the name of atheism?

Besides that....it still doesn’t make a god or god’s a real thing "

All I can do is laugh at this, I can't help myself, sorry.

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

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You can (mostly) pray at my alter if you'd like?

Well, some of you.

Maybe just you two.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY

You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.

May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales? "

I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life

The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense

Within the books , a very good person will find a small nod to common sense behaviour that all,cultured,civilised humans would be doing anyhow the good books absolutely were NOT the originators of polite social etiquette, or dont kill others it's not nice

The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !

Churches amazing

Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable

God stories , all human invented

God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales

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"You can (mostly) pray at my alter if you'd like?

Well, some of you.

Maybe just you two.

Or you can worship the phallus if you're up to it.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

My local one is very peaceful. Lovely people and has a lot of events for the community.

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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY

You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.

May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?

I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life

The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense

The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !

Churches amazing

Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable

God stories , all human invented

God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales "

Evidently having trouble understanding the meaning of Philosophy. You do realize that the ten commandments were in actual fact stemmed from Religious texts. If you believe there was such a thing or, even could have been a "polite society" without it, you're sadly mistaken. Our society has gotten to where we are with the help of religion.

You've evidently never read the Bible before, each of those commandments are set within the stories of the bible. No one is even talking about a man in the sky, apart from the lot that need to try and speak down on religion.

You should go and ask the homeless who feeds them, clothes them, puts them in shelter when the rest of society has forgotten about them. The church gets nothing in return for this, nor helping the aged.

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over a year ago

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"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY

You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.

May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?

I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life

The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense

The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !

Churches amazing

Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable

God stories , all human invented

God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales

He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx

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over a year ago

"Anyone remember any atheists suicide bombers blowing up buildings in the name of secularism? Nope, me neither

And some would say we need religion to have morals.

Do you think all those who have no religion also have no morals?"

No.

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over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY

You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.

May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?

I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life

The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense

The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !

Churches amazing

Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable

God stories , all human invented

God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales

He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx"

Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls?

It precedes your idea of 'polite society' by thousands of years...

You shall have no other Gods but me.

You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.

You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.

You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.

Respect your father and mother.

You must not commit murder.

You must not commit adultery.

You must not steal.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.

You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

There you go, essentially everything that makes society habitable. Also, faith in a being higher than humanity, is essentially a belief in oneself, as it's YOUR God; in essence, no one can bring one down that has no faith in humanity in the first place. (Which is essentially the entire purpose in Jesus)

Good day.

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over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY

You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.

May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?

I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life

The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense

The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !

Churches amazing

Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable

God stories , all human invented

God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales

He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx

Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls?

It precedes your idea of 'polite society' by thousands of years...

You shall have no other Gods but me.

You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.

You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.

You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.

Respect your father and mother.

You must not commit murder.

You must not commit adultery.

You must not steal.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.

You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

Good day.

And genuinely, some people believe this was the word of an actual god! No..honestly, grown people !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY

You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.

May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?

I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life

The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense

The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !

Churches amazing

Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable

God stories , all human invented

God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales

He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx

Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls?

It precedes your idea of 'polite society' by thousands of years...

You shall have no other Gods but me.

You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.

You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.

You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.

Respect your father and mother.

You must not commit murder.

You must not commit adultery.

You must not steal.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.

You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

Good day.

And genuinely, some people believe this was the word of an actual god! No..honestly, grown people !! "

No, as I have already mentioned to you 500 times, everyone is aware that it was written by a mans hand.

Why do you keep replying when you clearly haven't got a clue about the topic nor, do you wish to understand anything from a Christian's perspective.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

I know people who believe that the Bible is the direct word of god and who refuse to believe it was written over many decades by men.... Chopped, changed, edited, whole books removed... Translated etc.

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture."

Cant not like the architecture but they are symbols of power, designed to humble the weak into compliance, especially the cathedrals.. Give me a standing stone or tree any day

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over a year ago

"I know people who believe that the Bible is the direct word of god and who refuse to believe it was written over many decades by men.... Chopped, changed, edited, whole books removed... Translated etc. "

I know a man that drank too much absinthe and, drowned in a swimming pool thinking that he was a seal.

People can believe whatever they wish to believe.

There are many that believe certain things about swinging, doesn't make it right.

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over a year ago

There are still plenty of Christians across the globe who believe the Bible is the word of God, regardless of the fact that it was written by man's hand, that he was merely dictating. Those that believe their preachers speak with God's voice as though channelling him directly, schools that insist on teaching Creationism ensuring that their congregations remain with their collective heads planted firmly in the sand.

This is what i was referring to as faith, it is blind, beyond question and the preserve of the mentally weak and emotionally unstable and as such is insidious and extremely dangerous.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

I know a man that drank too much absinthe and, drowned in a swimming pool thinking that he was a seal.

People can believe whatever they wish to believe.

There are many that believe certain things about swinging, doesn't make it right."

Hold on... A few minutes ago you said "everyone's aware it was written by a man's hand"

I'm calling it. Troll.

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By *entileschiWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture."

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

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over a year ago

"There are still plenty of Christians across the globe who believe the Bible is the word of God, regardless of the fact that it was written by man's hand, that he was merely dictating. Those that believe their preachers speak with God's voice as though channelling him directly, schools that insist on teaching Creationism ensuring that their congregations remain with their collective heads planted firmly in the sand.

This is what i was referring to as faith, it is blind, beyond question and the preserve of the mentally weak and emotionally unstable and as such is insidious and extremely dangerous."

I have already explained the reasonings for this, which, outside of being delusional, is actually a tactic in which is commonly used in psychology.

Yes, there are some "ill" people who take things to the extreme, as there are with all things in life. Those people are "extremists" or plain delusional.

I'm sure that the vast majority of you are aware of this and, just enjoying the debate as much as I am myself

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over a year ago

I know a man that drank too much absinthe and, drowned in a swimming pool thinking that he was a seal.

People can believe whatever they wish to believe.

There are many that believe certain things about swinging, doesn't make it right.

Hold on... A few minutes ago you said "everyone's aware it was written by a man's hand"

I'm calling it. Troll. "

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By *astyEricMan
over a year ago

Hull

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion."

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone brought up with no religion I'm always curious as to why do many people blame everything in religion and appear to hate it so much!

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over a year ago

Also I love churches, nice tranquil places

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over a year ago

"As someone brought up with no religion I'm always curious as to why do many people blame everything in religion and appear to hate it so much! "

As it divides. As it controls. As it teaches people not to think critically. As it’s responsible for many deaths. As it halted scientific discovery. As it promotes evil concepts. As it hides pedophiles. As it approved genital mutation. As it scares innocent children. As it takes money that would be better spent. The list is endless

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that "

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies "

Preach! People in poverty, starving and can't get clean water but let's raise millions for a fucking building

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely nothing should be above question. People can have faith if they want to, but if we suspend critique, problems creep in.

One can choose to have faith and stop questioning or question selectively. More power to you/them.

But the idea that some claims are beyond any criticism by anyone because some people have faith is... not wise.

I’m not sure that I know of any (sane) Christians that would ever be of this opinion? Religion is mainly a philosophy to live your life by, it’s not about others, though the self.

Tell that to countless death people, in the name of God, Allah, Budda or any other deity.

Say sorry its just philosophy

So by that reasoning alone, sex and promiscuity is also bad.....

Religion never caused anyone to die? Spanish Inquisition? The holocaust? 9/11.....Northern Ireland??? To name a few

This is like blaming a football for all of the world’s violence. It’s not the fault of the football, though those that use it as an excuse.

Without them there would be no excuse to fly planes into buildings.

Evil people will do evil things.

Good people will do good things.

But it takes religion to make good people do evil things.

That’s incredibly naive. Religion is an excuse and, not the root cause. If it wasn’t religion it would be something else.

The vast majority of religious people are lovely and are appalled at the atrocities in which use it to commit such acts.

Agreed all comes down to one thing well 2

POWER AND MONEY

You sound awfully angry, Jesus May do you some good. You do also understand that if the abused marries their abuser, the abuser then becomes the slave.

May I ask, are you a great believer of Tommy Robinson’s fairytales?

I disagree , neither christianity nor Islam offer wholesome maps for life

The truth is the 2 above texts for the very most part are either horrid or utter nonsense

The good believer must filter out more than 90 percent of the texts baggage to find what they should know anyway !

Churches amazing

Religion like all indoctrination, ethically questionable

God stories , all human invented

God defined as creator almost certainly only exists in human imagined fairy tales

He he , go on list the magic ten , pretty please you do it else I shall and illustrate how inaccurate and misinformed your post was xxx

Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls?

It precedes your idea of 'polite society' by thousands of years...

You shall have no other Gods but me.

You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.

You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.

You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.

Respect your father and mother.

You must not commit murder.

You must not commit adultery.

You must not steal.

You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.

You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.

Good day.

And genuinely, some people believe this was the word of an actual god! No..honestly, grown people !!

No, as I have already mentioned to you 500 times, everyone is aware that it was written by a mans hand.

Why do you keep replying when you clearly haven't got a clue about the topic nor, do you wish to understand anything from a Christian's perspective."

Written by man but is the word of god! That’s exactly what Christians believe. It’s what Muslims believe as dictated by god to them! What don’t you understand? The bible IS god’s word according to the pope, Quran worship in their case....etc. Are you trying to say it’s written by man to control...well der of course it was!!! It’s bolocks written by men BUT people believe it’s god’s word.

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS
over a year ago

Larne

Liked there 2nd album lol

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies "

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The most unchristian people I have ever met are Christians!

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

)

You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them "

Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people

And I'm the bigot here?

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

)

You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them

Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people

And I'm the bigot here?

Why would I give to a Christian one when I can give to Doctors Without Borders? You know, free thinking, mon Agenda driven. No doubt charities from religious backgrounds do good BUT you don’t need them to do good.

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies "

Blame the rich for that, not the church.

Also to the post above, there is no genital mutilation within the Catholic Church. There is no hiding of paedo's either, they can't exactly prove nor disprove, nor police EVERY person within the Church. They do however make it as difficult to become a priest as a doctor, which I'm sure has more predators in the profession; you just hear about more priests, as it's rarer. The division is more a people thing than a church thing. It's also not "control" if you willingly abide by the rules and wish to live your life in such a way.

If you look deep enough, you shall find that it actually helped science progress. If you disbelieve this, read Francis Bacon's advancement of learning. You do realize also that, psychology is entirely imitated from the Catholic church.

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over a year ago

To the other comment from the same above poster. I have answered all of your questions multiple times with accurate and succinct answers. You keep misunderstanding the points in which I have made.

I am done, you can't have discourse, you blame others of "bigotry" yet are definitive definition of the word.

God Bless

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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Churches? The biggest money-making scam in the history of the universe. Yes the architecture is often impressive but it was paid for by tithes, grants from nobles who robbed the poor and other dubious sources.

The cross WASN'T the original xtain symbol, that was the two greek letters chi and rho, first letters of 'christos' as they call their god.

In some churches you can see obviously Pagan symbols, carved by masons who probably secretly followed the old ways. "Green Men" are quite common, usually on the North walls as that was the old sacred direction. A few have "Sheela na gigs' or females holding their cunts open - very xtain! There's a great one on the outside North wall of St Lawrence church in Church Stretton, if you live nearby.

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

)

You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them

Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people

And I'm the bigot here?

Failing to see your point. Their agenda is to end poverty. I'm suggesting that you get involved in a Christian charity so you can discover that they're not all a bunch of agenda driven, closed minded idiots (like you seem to believe)

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

Blame the rich for that, not the church.

Where to start...gm from other religious group. Was not being specific. However, catholic countries DO carry it out on girls in Africa!!

Proven pedophiles moved priests around from one church to another and covered up in Ireland and Australia and within Vatican itself. All facts. More rare than doctors? 10, 000 cases plus!! Wow man.

Yes some excellent scientific breakthroughs from religious people but many many more stifled progress.

And the discoveries were separate from their religious beliefs. Knowing today what we know, I doubt they would be of faith today.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

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I’ve lost count of the times we have had meets and fun outside Gloucester Cathedral . We used to have loads of pics on here too !

What an amazing building it is .

Churches have been a place of peace for millions of people over the years , so I have no problem with them . Religion and belief are still very important to so many people around the world . Not everyone is as cynical as most are on this thread , and I certainly have some sort of belief , even if it isn’t easily defined .

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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

)

You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them

Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people

And I'm the bigot here?

Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!!

And the fact they still believe in a deity makes them closed minded. Can’t be open minded and believe in a god. Open minded and intellectually honest would be to, by default, not believe in anything without evidence

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over a year ago

"I’ve lost count of the times we have had meets and fun outside Gloucester Cathedral . We used to have loads of pics on here too !

What an amazing building it is .

Mixing cynical with skepticism there I’m afraid. And if one needs a god or a religion for a purpose, they need to open their minds to science

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over a year ago

"To the other comment from the same above poster. I have answered all of your questions multiple times with accurate and succinct answers. You keep misunderstanding the points in which I have made.

I am done, you can't have discourse, you blame others of "bigotry" yet are definitive definition of the word.

God Bless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally, I choose to simply appreciate them as beautiful architecture

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

Blame the rich for that, not the church.

TODAY it has been announced that the RC diocese of Birmingham covered up nearly 300 cases of child abuse over the last 20 years, The current head of the RC Church in England, Bishop of Brum at the time, was implicated - see tomorrow's papers!

The church helped science progress? Tell that to the marines! In the 1300s ROGER Bacon was imprisoned by the church for 7 years for carrying out scientific investigations. Galileo was excommunicated in the 1600s for saying the Earth went around the Sun rather that the RC teaching of vice-versa. The RC church admitted it was wrong and forgave Gailieo when? In 1997, absolutely true! In the 1600s FRANCIS Bacon was an anglican but not connected with the church in any other way. The church has stood against almost every scientific investigations throughout history, preferring people to live in ignorance and poverty and not ask questions. The first people to translate the bible into English were burnt at the stake. What a lovely organisation!

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

Blame the rich for that, not the church.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

There’s non so blind as thought that will not see.

Trouble with Christians, cherry pick need, cherry pick the bible. Rest is “mysterious” ways. And won’t debate or answer simple questions.

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over a year ago

"Churches? The biggest money-making scam in the history of the universe. Yes the architecture is often impressive but it was paid for by tithes, grants from nobles who robbed the poor and other dubious sources.

The cross WASN'T the original xtain symbol, that was the two greek letters chi and rho, first letters of 'christos' as they call their god.

The New Testament is Greek. It's not a secret.

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

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You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them

Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people

And I'm the bigot here?

Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!!

"Can't be open minded and believe in a god"

Possibly the most close minded comment I've ever read

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

)

You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them

Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people

And I'm the bigot here?

Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!!

"Can't be open minded and believe in a god"

Possibly the most close minded comment I've ever read

How can you be open minded and believe in a god?? You can leave your options open as can’t prove god doesn’t exist but to actually believe in a god? Believe in Bigfoot make you open minded? Lock ness monster? No...it makes you gullible and believing without evidence. Belief in a deity is saying he exists without prove and that is not open minded. It’s blinkered nonsense

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over a year ago

The cross WASN'T the original xtain symbol, that was the two greek letters chi and rho, first letters of 'christos' as they call their god.

The New Testament is Greek. It's not a secret."

Koine Greek. With Aramaic and others thrown in. Still written over 100s of years by people not even around when the supposed son of god was knocking about

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

Blame the rich for that, not the church.

Where to start...gm from other religious group. Was not being specific. However, catholic countries DO carry it out on girls in Africa!!

Proven pedophiles moved priests around from one church to another and covered up in Ireland and Australia and within Vatican itself. All facts."

Correct

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

)

You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them

Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people

And I'm the bigot here?

Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!!

"Can't be open minded and believe in a god"

Possibly the most close minded comment I've ever read

It's not that being religious makes you open minded - it's that being religious doesn't automatically make you close minded. The same say being non-religious doesn't automatically make you open minded

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over a year ago

"I'm now more curious to know if anyone has gotten up to any naughtiness inside a church "

Without going into details let’s just say I secured the Vicar’s son and my one way ticket to hell...

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over a year ago

"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies

People are free to raise money for whatever they like

If you're concerned about starving babies, consider giving to a religious charity like Christian Aid (unless your hatred for all things religious prohibits you from doing so of course

)

You do know there are secular charities I guess? Or does you bigotry not allow this knowledge? And they do it without throwing bibles at people and saying god helped them

Of course. I'm suggesting you give to a religious one instead. You mind be surprised to find that they also don't throw bibles at people

And I'm the bigot here?

Their hidden agenda is god is helping and, for example, when they give good to homeless, they make them pray for their “gifts”. Just give em the Feckin food!!!

"Can't be open minded and believe in a god"

Possibly the most close minded comment I've ever read

It shows one is willing to believe anything without evidence. That’s not open minded, that’s gullibility

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By *entileschiWoman
over a year ago

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"Celebrations of the divine or symbols of oppression? Their symbolism i can't abide but i have to admit an admiration for their architecture.

Look at the global sense of loss over Notre Dame... I feel that loss and yet I have no religion.

I don't tbh, even though I think building itself was magnificent, there is still the price which been payed to put it up, and everyone forgets that

And the money raised to fix it but can’t raise money for starving babies "

Fair point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody echo-y when you’re misbehaving in one, v easy to get caught, but a getting setting for unholy acts of passion

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