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"No never... having worked with the homeless voluntary ive seen where the money goes... and thats straight into the pockets of dealers. They dont need money they need a warm drink and a sandwich" Working with people who are homeless myself; firstly that’s not always true, and secondly I’d hope for and expect a clearer understanding of trauma coping mechanisms and what drug escapism and addiction is about in its many forms for those that are homeless from anyone working or supporting my services. | |||
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"No never... having worked with the homeless voluntary ive seen where the money goes... and thats straight into the pockets of dealers. They dont need money they need a warm drink and a sandwich Working with people who are homeless myself; firstly that’s not always true, and secondly I’d hope for and expect a clearer understanding of trauma coping mechanisms and what drug escapism and addiction is about in its many forms for those that are homeless from anyone working or supporting my services. " Definitely | |||
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"No never... having worked with the homeless voluntary ive seen where the money goes... and thats straight into the pockets of dealers. They dont need money they need a warm drink and a sandwich" I never took drugs Had no dealer I needed both Unless you’ve lived it - it’s hard to comprehend | |||
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"I have yes, money/ food and a warn jacket last year for a man who looked frozen. If I give money I don't care what they spend it on if it gets them through the night" Absolutely | |||
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"I was once approached by a homeless girl asking for money while I filled my car with fuel on a forecourt. I explained I only had my bank card with me & apologised. She then motioned towards the cash machine at the garage. That REALLY annoyed me. I do my bit for charity but her sense of entitlement rubbed me up the wrong way!" I think when you’re desperate you don’t really have entitlement. Tbf if you said you only had your card, you didn’t say no...I would say she’s being entrepreneurial. | |||
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"Nope!! Tried giving food to a guy who claimed he was hungry and homeless. He got abusive and said cash or alcohol. Another claimed to be a veteran and couldn't give me a legitimate service number or regiment. A lot around London are professional beggers and earn more than you and I. There are more charities and food banks than ever before. So I treat them all the same and fuck them all off. " I hear this about professional begging all the time. I work in London, and most of the professional begging rings I’ve come across are actually a lot of modern slavery and trafficked people being abused. And not earning much. I’m interested in why you needed to check a veteran’s credentials? And even if he lied I can comprehend why what with general attitudes (as you’ve ablely demonstrated) to the homeless unless they’re ex-serving forces. There are more charities and food banks around to plug the gaps in our welfare net which have been ripped wide with welfare reform, local housing allowance not matching benefit amounts, and other policy twunkery by this government. Also, when you’ve nowhere to store or cook food on the streets the food bank offering of three days worth of goods is quite hard to deal with. I’m sorry you had a traumatising experience with someone not accepting your generousity; I can’t imagine he was feeling particularly great about life either - and perhaps you could have shown compassion rather than expect it. | |||
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"to homeless people? If you do then what is the most you have given? and if you don't then why not? " their are so many now but yes or give them food | |||
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"Out of interest how do people know that coffee and sandwiches are what the person wants at the time? " Exactly. That's why we ask and offer to go to the shop together so they can pick what they need and we pay for it (excluding alcohol). Mrs | |||
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" I'm staying in London now and I have seen lots of homeless people since I've been here and its made me think about years ago when I was having a night out with my sister and brother-in-law in central London. We never came across homeless people before and it was kind of shocking to see so many. I remember we were all sitting outside a pub sipping on our drinks when a girl asked my sister if she could get her a glass of water out of the pub, because she said the pub won't serve homeless people. My sister gave her a glass of water and I have never seen someone drink so fast! She was so thirty.. Then she thanked my sister and turned to walk away.. My sister then called her back and said sit with us and have a chat. We talked about London with her and she went on to say that she met a couple of celebrities since living on the streets in central London.. She looked over the moon when she told us one of them gave her eight pounds. Before we were about to leave I noticed my sister started to cry and I felt the same. When they Walked on I put my hand in my pocket and gave her enough to get her off the street for awhile. I'm tight when it comes to money with anything but it got me in the heart. " For about 15 years in the late 80s/90s there was a place they called cardboard city in London near Waterloo station where hundreds of homeless used to sleep. They were all moved on by the council in the late nineties. | |||
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"Never give money half of them are on the dole pretending to be homeless seen a few. I work and no way am i giving my money to them." 100% agree. | |||
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"Nope!! Tried giving food to a guy who claimed he was hungry and homeless. He got abusive and said cash or alcohol. Another claimed to be a veteran and couldn't give me a legitimate service number or regiment. A lot around London are professional beggers and earn more than you and I. There are more charities and food banks than ever before. So I treat them all the same and fuck them all off. I hear this about professional begging all the time. I work in London, and most of the professional begging rings I’ve come across are actually a lot of modern slavery and trafficked people being abused. And not earning much. I’m interested in why you needed to check a veteran’s credentials? And even if he lied I can comprehend why what with general attitudes (as you’ve ablely demonstrated) to the homeless unless they’re ex-serving forces. There are more charities and food banks around to plug the gaps in our welfare net which have been ripped wide with welfare reform, local housing allowance not matching benefit amounts, and other policy twunkery by this government. Also, when you’ve nowhere to store or cook food on the streets the food bank offering of three days worth of goods is quite hard to deal with. I’m sorry you had a traumatising experience with someone not accepting your generousity; I can’t imagine he was feeling particularly great about life either - and perhaps you could have shown compassion rather than expect it. " What's the weather like up there on your high horse? I'm a veteran. I served 10 yrs. I'm insulted by someone trying to pass themselves off as veterans when they haven't served a single day. There are genuine veterens struggling to survive out there. My donations go direct to registered veteren and cancer charities and not to lazy chancers placing themselves conveniently by cash machines. | |||
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"Nope!! Tried giving food to a guy who claimed he was hungry and homeless. He got abusive and said cash or alcohol. Another claimed to be a veteran and couldn't give me a legitimate service number or regiment. A lot around London are professional beggers and earn more than you and I. There are more charities and food banks than ever before. So I treat them all the same and fuck them all off. I hear this about professional begging all the time. I work in London, and most of the professional begging rings I’ve come across are actually a lot of modern slavery and trafficked people being abused. And not earning much. I’m interested in why you needed to check a veteran’s credentials? And even if he lied I can comprehend why what with general attitudes (as you’ve ablely demonstrated) to the homeless unless they’re ex-serving forces. There are more charities and food banks around to plug the gaps in our welfare net which have been ripped wide with welfare reform, local housing allowance not matching benefit amounts, and other policy twunkery by this government. Also, when you’ve nowhere to store or cook food on the streets the food bank offering of three days worth of goods is quite hard to deal with. I’m sorry you had a traumatising experience with someone not accepting your generousity; I can’t imagine he was feeling particularly great about life either - and perhaps you could have shown compassion rather than expect it. What's the weather like up there on your high horse? I'm a veteran. I served 10 yrs. I'm insulted by someone trying to pass themselves off as veterans when they haven't served a single day. There are genuine veterens struggling to survive out there. My donations go direct to registered veteren and cancer charities and not to lazy chancers placing themselves conveniently by cash machines. " Please don’t project about high horses, I think you’re the one providing that attitude (if anyone is). I understand your feeling of insult. It doesn’t negate my points, and I standby my opinion which I’ve clearly stated in my last line. | |||
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"Nope!! Tried giving food to a guy who claimed he was hungry and homeless. He got abusive and said cash or alcohol. Another claimed to be a veteran and couldn't give me a legitimate service number or regiment. A lot around London are professional beggers and earn more than you and I. There are more charities and food banks than ever before. So I treat them all the same and fuck them all off. I hear this about professional begging all the time. I work in London, and most of the professional begging rings I’ve come across are actually a lot of modern slavery and trafficked people being abused. And not earning much. I’m interested in why you needed to check a veteran’s credentials? And even if he lied I can comprehend why what with general attitudes (as you’ve ablely demonstrated) to the homeless unless they’re ex-serving forces. There are more charities and food banks around to plug the gaps in our welfare net which have been ripped wide with welfare reform, local housing allowance not matching benefit amounts, and other policy twunkery by this government. Also, when you’ve nowhere to store or cook food on the streets the food bank offering of three days worth of goods is quite hard to deal with. I’m sorry you had a traumatising experience with someone not accepting your generousity; I can’t imagine he was feeling particularly great about life either - and perhaps you could have shown compassion rather than expect it. What's the weather like up there on your high horse? I'm a veteran. I served 10 yrs. I'm insulted by someone trying to pass themselves off as veterans when they haven't served a single day. There are genuine veterens struggling to survive out there. My donations go direct to registered veteren and cancer charities and not to lazy chancers placing themselves conveniently by cash machines. Please don’t project about high horses, I think you’re the one providing that attitude (if anyone is). I understand your feeling of insult. It doesn’t negate my points, and I standby my opinion which I’ve clearly stated in my last line." And I standby mine. That's the beauty of opinions. We all have one. | |||
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"I give money to homeless charities and food on the street, as I know the money will feed drink and drugs. I did give money other day though as he was so destitute and hopeless I just felt sorry for him. A lot of fake homeless in Manchester though amongst the genuine homeless, they are professional beggars. But I know some of the faces of genuine homeless as I see them crumpled asleep in doorways late when on nights out. Hate the attitudes of some of the more fortunate who say these people stay on the street out of choice. Many of them actually have mental health issues and been failed by the system. If you see Big Issue sellers please buy the magazines as they are working for that money and trying to get their lives on track. They are a good read too "I’m not sure I could describe the face of genuine homelessness after 15 odd years working in the field. Big Issue have opened their vending for anyone unemployed now, not everyone is homeless. Nowadays there’s so many in need and it is a really good flex hour p/t role as a stepping stone for many, whether homeless or not. | |||
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"No never... having worked with the homeless voluntary ive seen where the money goes... and thats straight into the pockets of dealers. They dont need money they need a warm drink and a sandwich" If I had to live their life then I too would take whatever I could to deadening the pain. These sort of stereotypes are not only often inaccurate they disincentive some from reaching out to those in need. Not all homeless are addicts, no more than all Tories snort ! Yes I give food and drink and money to the homeless. I'm blessed that I dont have many of the issues they have in their lives.... | |||
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"Nope!! Tried giving food to a guy who claimed he was hungry and homeless. He got abusive and said cash or alcohol. Another claimed to be a veteran and couldn't give me a legitimate service number or regiment. A lot around London are professional beggers and earn more than you and I. There are more charities and food banks than ever before. So I treat them all the same and fuck them all off. I hear this about professional begging all the time. I work in London, and most of the professional begging rings I’ve come across are actually a lot of modern slavery and trafficked people being abused. And not earning much. I’m interested in why you needed to check a veteran’s credentials? And even if he lied I can comprehend why what with general attitudes (as you’ve ablely demonstrated) to the homeless unless they’re ex-serving forces. There are more charities and food banks around to plug the gaps in our welfare net which have been ripped wide with welfare reform, local housing allowance not matching benefit amounts, and other policy twunkery by this government. Also, when you’ve nowhere to store or cook food on the streets the food bank offering of three days worth of goods is quite hard to deal with. I’m sorry you had a traumatising experience with someone not accepting your generousity; I can’t imagine he was feeling particularly great about life either - and perhaps you could have shown compassion rather than expect it. What's the weather like up there on your high horse? I'm a veteran. I served 10 yrs. I'm insulted by someone trying to pass themselves off as veterans when they haven't served a single day. There are genuine veterens struggling to survive out there. My donations go direct to registered veteren and cancer charities and not to lazy chancers placing themselves conveniently by cash machines. Please don’t project about high horses, I think you’re the one providing that attitude (if anyone is). I understand your feeling of insult. It doesn’t negate my points, and I standby my opinion which I’ve clearly stated in my last line. And I standby mine. That's the beauty of opinions. We all have one. " I quite agree. I’m sorry (I had meant that genuinely) that you’re so angry about this. | |||
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"I give money to homeless charities and food on the street, as I know the money will feed drink and drugs. I did give money other day though as he was so destitute and hopeless I just felt sorry for him. A lot of fake homeless in Manchester though amongst the genuine homeless, they are professional beggars. But I know some of the faces of genuine homeless as I see them crumpled asleep in doorways late when on nights out. Hate the attitudes of some of the more fortunate who say these people stay on the street out of choice. Many of them actually have mental health issues and been failed by the system. If you see Big Issue sellers please buy the magazines as they are working for that money and trying to get their lives on track. They are a good read too
I’m not sure I could describe the face of genuine homelessness after 15 odd years working in the field.
Big Issue have opened their vending for anyone unemployed now, not everyone is homeless. Nowadays there’s so many in need and it is a really good flex hour p/t role as a stepping stone for many, whether homeless or not."What I meant by the faces of genuine homeless, are those I actually see sleeping in doorways in the early hours of the morning in the cold, when I have been out. I live in city centre so have grown to recognise some of the faces. Yes I know some Big Issue sellers are unemployed rather than homeless but it is giving them confidence and skills and they are working for that money, so I still support it | |||
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"I give money to homeless charities and food on the street, as I know the money will feed drink and drugs. I did give money other day though as he was so destitute and hopeless I just felt sorry for him. A lot of fake homeless in Manchester though amongst the genuine homeless, they are professional beggars. But I know some of the faces of genuine homeless as I see them crumpled asleep in doorways late when on nights out. Hate the attitudes of some of the more fortunate who say these people stay on the street out of choice. Many of them actually have mental health issues and been failed by the system. If you see Big Issue sellers please buy the magazines as they are working for that money and trying to get their lives on track. They are a good read too
I’m not sure I could describe the face of genuine homelessness after 15 odd years working in the field.
Big Issue have opened their vending for anyone unemployed now, not everyone is homeless. Nowadays there’s so many in need and it is a really good flex hour p/t role as a stepping stone for many, whether homeless or not.
What I meant by the faces of genuine homeless, are those I actually see sleeping in doorways in the early hours of the morning in the cold, when I have been out. I live in city centre so have grown to recognise some of the faces.
Yes I know some Big Issue sellers are unemployed rather than homeless but it is giving them confidence and skills and they are working for that money, so I still support it "Oh absolutely, it’s a great initiative.
Ahhh I see, it’s an interesting one. Rough sleeping, for me, is one aspect (often the sharpest end) of homelessness. I tend to prefer the definition by FEANTSA (European Federation of National Organisations Working with the Homeless) which is broader - it’s called ETHOS - European Typology on Homelessness and Housing Exclusion. Shame I can’t link here but it’s easily found on google and is a simple one page chart to show other aspects of homelessness. | |||
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"to homeless people? If you do then what is the most you have given? and if you don't then why not? " No I don't give them money, I wouldn't like to think that I am enabling a drug user. No, I'll buy clothes in winter, hot food and drinks, baby wipes, etc. Shelter also gave me that advice. | |||
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" I'm staying in London now and I have seen lots of homeless people since I've been here and its made me think about years ago when I was having a night out with my sister and brother-in-law in central London. We never came across homeless people before and it was kind of shocking to see so many. I remember we were all sitting outside a pub sipping on our drinks when a girl asked my sister if she could get her a glass of water out of the pub, because she said the pub won't serve homeless people. My sister gave her a glass of water and I have never seen someone drink so fast! She was so thirty.. Then she thanked my sister and turned to walk away.. My sister then called her back and said sit with us and have a chat. We talked about London with her and she went on to say that she met a couple of celebrities since living on the streets in central London.. She looked over the moon when she told us one of them gave her eight pounds. Before we were about to leave I noticed my sister started to cry and I felt the same. When they Walked on I put my hand in my pocket and gave her enough to get her off the street for awhile. I'm tight when it comes to money with anything but it got me in the heart. For about 15 years in the late 80s/90s there was a place they called cardboard city in London near Waterloo station where hundreds of homeless used to sleep. They were all moved on by the council in the late nineties. " Really? Part of me wants to hang out with them to hear their stories. | |||
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"There was this one homeless person at a metro station I had to help ... A group chavs were messing around with his belongings, calling him names, pouring drinks over him and ripping his sleeping bag up .. . I was on the other platform and people were just standing around watching on both platforms, I had to go over, went over the bridge and as soon as I got there they started beating the shit out of him ... I just charged in without thinking ... Picked two of them up that were kicking this poor man on the ground crying I had pinned them up to wall by their necks and Ive never shouted as loud as I did my anger just came out at them ... And I just threw them at the others involved ... They ran as fast as they could. The homeless man couldn't thank me enough ... And I asked him if he was hungry and if he needed anything else ... He wanted a ham and cheese sandwich and a cup of tea... I told him to wait ... I came back with 2 ham and cheese sandwiches a cup of tea and a few bottles of water for him ... And a brand new sleeping bag, gloves and jacket. I've never heard anyone so grateful ... It made me upset that night I got home. " Some people are sick, takes a twisted soul to attack vulnerable homeless people or anyone else. I would have done exactly the same as you, they would have met my wrath | |||
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"Nope!! Tried giving food to a guy who claimed he was hungry and homeless. He got abusive and said cash or alcohol. Another claimed to be a veteran and couldn't give me a legitimate service number or regiment. A lot around London are professional beggers and earn more than you and I. There are more charities and food banks than ever before. So I treat them all the same and fuck them all off. I hear this about professional begging all the time. I work in London, and most of the professional begging rings I’ve come across are actually a lot of modern slavery and trafficked people being abused. And not earning much. I’m interested in why you needed to check a veteran’s credentials? And even if he lied I can comprehend why what with general attitudes (as you’ve ablely demonstrated) to the homeless unless they’re ex-serving forces. There are more charities and food banks around to plug the gaps in our welfare net which have been ripped wide with welfare reform, local housing allowance not matching benefit amounts, and other policy twunkery by this government. Also, when you’ve nowhere to store or cook food on the streets the food bank offering of three days worth of goods is quite hard to deal with. I’m sorry you had a traumatising experience with someone not accepting your generousity; I can’t imagine he was feeling particularly great about life either - and perhaps you could have shown compassion rather than expect it. What's the weather like up there on your high horse? I'm a veteran. I served 10 yrs. I'm insulted by someone trying to pass themselves off as veterans when they haven't served a single day. There are genuine veterens struggling to survive out there. My donations go direct to registered veteren and cancer charities and not to lazy chancers placing themselves conveniently by cash machines. " I've seen them as well, wearing an old dpm jacket or daysack to try and look like they've served but can't answer any questions that anyone who has even done basic could answer. It begs the question about why they haven't approached their regimental association or the RBL for help if they really are genuine veterans. I do give to some of the homeless in York as there are quite a few genuine, and I donate old clothes. | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one" I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. There’s no set line from any of the main homelessness charities as to whether to give money or not, it’s down to you as an individual. | |||
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"Only twice once I gave a apple to someone in Finsbury Park station and once a bag of crisps to some begging for money or food on a train.It’s not that I don’t feel sorry for them it’s a case of If I give to one person I should give to another and so on before I know it I will have no money.I am one of these people who If I see a homeless person I will ignore them as my safety comes first I don’t wanted to be mugged for trying to do a good deed.In my part of London I am to scared to put my hand in my pocket say as I am getting my wallet out it is snatched out of my hands or I get stabbed another stabbing yesterday in Edmonton Green.I prefer to buy a few extra items in Asda and leave them in there Fight the hunger shopping trolley which are then collected by the Foodbank." I would agree you have to first and foremost think of your safety, and anything else is about what you want or don’t want to do. Absolutely. | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, " It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. " Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity' | |||
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"Only twice once I gave a apple to someone in Finsbury Park station and once a bag of crisps to some begging for money or food on a train.It’s not that I don’t feel sorry for them it’s a case of If I give to one person I should give to another and so on before I know it I will have no money.I am one of these people who If I see a homeless person I will ignore them as my safety comes first I don’t wanted to be mugged for trying to do a good deed.In my part of London I am to scared to put my hand in my pocket say as I am getting my wallet out it is snatched out of my hands or I get stabbed another stabbing yesterday in Edmonton Green.I prefer to buy a few extra items in Asda and leave them in there Fight the hunger shopping trolley which are then collected by the Foodbank. I would agree you have to first and foremost think of your safety, and anything else is about what you want or don’t want to do. Absolutely. ". Estella thanks for understanding my reluctance to give to the homeless directly been a London lady yourself you may know the two areas I mentioned in my post.I have no problem buy a extra couple of tins of baked , pasta or tuna from Asda and putting them in the Asda fight the hunger trolley.Once a month outside Edmonton Green train station there are volunteers who are serving hot drinks and hot breakfasts to homeless people as well as other people young and old on a couple of occasion.Next time I see them I ask them if I can buy some bread and milk from the supermarket that way perhaps they can feed a few more. | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity'" It’s an incredibly astute point. | |||
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"Had some cheeky sod asking for a tenner saying it would mean the world. I worked for that money. So can they. " Many people on the street do work too. It’s a myth that all are unemployed. | |||
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"Had some cheeky sod asking for a tenner saying it would mean the world. I worked for that money. So can they. " Yeah once you are on the streets it kinda makes it hard to find employment? | |||
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"to homeless people? If you do then what is the most you have given? and if you don't then why not? " Never. I regularly give to food banks, but will never give money on the street. We have gangs in my local area, they are inimitating and vile to passers by, often with a can of special brew in hand. Elderly, children, they spare no one. Yes they maybe dealing with issues, hut no way am I financing any part of that behaviour. Have bought food for them to have it thrown back in my face. | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity'" Someone talking sense! I think if I was on the streets, in all weather, in the constant threat of danger: what little I had being stolen, receiving abuse, being ignored by fellow human beings, loss of respect for self, then I might turn to a habit. When people want to survive they have to be, they have little choice, I'm sure this wasn't in their 5 year plan. I never give food or drink unless when I ask them if there is anything they need they tell me what they want. Who are we to be so high and mighty and decide what someone spends their money on to make what little choices they have left. If someone spends it on a fix then so be it. Come along side them, not stand over them with your high and mighty food and judgement. | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. " You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion | |||
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"to homeless people? If you do then what is the most you have given? and if you don't then why not? " never. | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion " this | |||
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" I quite agree. I’m sorry (I had meant that genuinely) that you’re so angry about this. He doesn't sound angry, he gave his opinion like you gave yours, suggesting otherwise tends to annoy people and send a thread away from the discussion" Apologies, his posts *had* sound angry to me. I will go by your moderation though. | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion "Actually, I disagree. | |||
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" I quite agree. I’m sorry (I had meant that genuinely) that you’re so angry about this. He doesn't sound angry, he gave his opinion like you gave yours, suggesting otherwise tends to annoy people and send a thread away from the discussion Apologies, his posts *had* sound angry to me. I will go by your moderation though. "That would be good thanks, it saves me having to get involved when people get wound up by it | |||
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"I give money to homeless charities and food on the street, as I know the money will feed drink and drugs. I did give money other day though as he was so destitute and hopeless I just felt sorry for him. A lot of fake homeless in Manchester though amongst the genuine homeless, they are professional beggars. But I know some of the faces of genuine homeless as I see them crumpled asleep in doorways late when on nights out. Hate the attitudes of some of the more fortunate who say these people stay on the street out of choice. Many of them actually have mental health issues and been failed by the system. If you see Big Issue sellers please buy the magazines as they are working for that money and trying to get their lives on track. They are a good read too "The big issue was founded to give a hand up to people who are homeless or vulnerably housed. I stopped buying it when I saw the guy who lived in the flat below my sister selling it. He lived in a housing association flat, was in benefits and his rent was paid directly to the housing association. He was neither homeless or vulnerably housed, he sold it as a way of topping up his benefits. Op in answer to your question, I do not give money directly to people I see on the streets. Instead, I donate money to charities who help the homeless | |||
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" I quite agree. I’m sorry (I had meant that genuinely) that you’re so angry about this. He doesn't sound angry, he gave his opinion like you gave yours, suggesting otherwise tends to annoy people and send a thread away from the discussion Apologies, his posts *had* sound angry to me. I will go by your moderation though.
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
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"I used to & have done BUT now no way! If I had no money for food...who would help me? I only ever meet people who think they are entitled to some or ALL of what I have...regardless of my own circumstances. We are all capable of growing our own food or accessing services...some people are just lazy & entitled...so no way!!" How would you grow your own food if you lived on the streets with only the clothes you stood in as possessions? | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity' Someone talking sense! I think if I was on the streets, in all weather, in the constant threat of danger: what little I had being stolen, receiving abuse, being ignored by fellow human beings, loss of respect for self, then I might turn to a habit. When people want to survive they have to be, they have little choice, I'm sure this wasn't in their 5 year plan. I never give food or drink unless when I ask them if there is anything they need they tell me what they want. Who are we to be so high and mighty and decide what someone spends their money on to make what little choices they have left. If someone spends it on a fix then so be it. Come along side them, not stand over them with your high and mighty food and judgement. " It's not their money tho. It's mine, that I have worked hard for to support my family, not fund someones habit to make me feel good. How is that helping someone out if their situation? Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice. | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
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Con artists deserve compassion?
I don’t accept your premise. "Estella there are con artists begging on the streets, especially London. It’s a fact I’m afraid. | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity' Someone talking sense! I think if I was on the streets, in all weather, in the constant threat of danger: what little I had being stolen, receiving abuse, being ignored by fellow human beings, loss of respect for self, then I might turn to a habit. When people want to survive they have to be, they have little choice, I'm sure this wasn't in their 5 year plan. I never give food or drink unless when I ask them if there is anything they need they tell me what they want. Who are we to be so high and mighty and decide what someone spends their money on to make what little choices they have left. If someone spends it on a fix then so be it. Come along side them, not stand over them with your high and mighty food and judgement. It's not their money tho. It's mine, that I have worked hard for to support my family, not fund someones habit to make me feel good. How is that helping someone out if their situation? Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice." Couldn’t agree more | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
Actually, I disagree.
Con artists deserve compassion?
I don’t accept your premise.
Estella there are con artists begging on the streets, especially London. It’s a fact I’m afraid. "That’s not what I don’t accept. I’ve made commentary earlier as to my points on this. | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
Actually, I disagree.
Con artists deserve compassion?
I don’t accept your premise.
Estella there are con artists begging on the streets, especially London. It’s a fact I’m afraid.
That’s not what I don’t accept. I’ve made commentary earlier as to my points on this. "But you said they deserve compassion. Why? They are con artists. | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
Actually, I disagree.
Con artists deserve compassion?
I don’t accept your premise.
Estella there are con artists begging on the streets, especially London. It’s a fact I’m afraid.
That’s not what I don’t accept. I’ve made commentary earlier as to my points on this.
But you said they deserve compassion. Why? They are con artists."^^ further up thread. | |||
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"I used to & have done BUT now no way! If I had no money for food...who would help me? I only ever meet people who think they are entitled to some or ALL of what I have...regardless of my own circumstances. We are all capable of growing our own food or accessing services...some people are just lazy & entitled...so no way!!" | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
Actually, I disagree.
Con artists deserve compassion?
I don’t accept your premise.
Estella there are con artists begging on the streets, especially London. It’s a fact I’m afraid.
That’s not what I don’t accept. I’ve made commentary earlier as to my points on this.
But you said they deserve compassion. Why? They are con artists.
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
Actually, I disagree.
Con artists deserve compassion?
I don’t accept your premise.
Estella there are con artists begging on the streets, especially London. It’s a fact I’m afraid.
That’s not what I don’t accept. I’ve made commentary earlier as to my points on this.
But you said they deserve compassion. Why? They are con artists.
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Yes i saw your post. You said they had demons and deserved compassion. Why? Why should I show compassion to someone who prays on the emotions of kind hearted people - a con artist. "I’m not sure what the sentence having demons deserving compassion doesn’t explain to you. You’re entitled to not show compassion. I’m entitled to show it. I don’t think con artistry is as black and white as it’s easy to assume and judge. Hope that helps. | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
Actually, I disagree.
Con artists deserve compassion?
I don’t accept your premise.
Estella there are con artists begging on the streets, especially London. It’s a fact I’m afraid.
That’s not what I don’t accept. I’ve made commentary earlier as to my points on this.
But you said they deserve compassion. Why? They are con artists.
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Yes i saw your post. You said they had demons and deserved compassion. Why? Why should I show compassion to someone who prays on the emotions of kind hearted people - a con artist.
I’m not sure what the sentence having demons deserving compassion doesn’t explain to you. You’re entitled to not show compassion. I’m entitled to show it. I don’t think con artistry is as black and white as it’s easy to assume and judge. Hope that helps. "Yes it tells me all I need to know. | |||
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one I find that rather hard to fathom, I’ve never met someone who was encouraged to become homeless in 15yrs working with people in this situation. Maybe I’ve missed those who have. I’d suggest if someone feels the need to pretend to be homeless they’re probably struggling with some demons and deserve some compassion too. You can't blame demons for everything in life, some people are just con artists and will try and rip people off. Surely you must know as much as there are many homeless people that there are con artists too, they don't deserve compassion
Actually, I disagree.
Con artists deserve compassion?
I don’t accept your premise.
Estella there are con artists begging on the streets, especially London. It’s a fact I’m afraid.
That’s not what I don’t accept. I’ve made commentary earlier as to my points on this.
But you said they deserve compassion. Why? They are con artists.
^^ further up thread.
Yes i saw your post. You said they had demons and deserved compassion. Why? Why should I show compassion to someone who prays on the emotions of kind hearted people - a con artist.
I’m not sure what the sentence having demons deserving compassion doesn’t explain to you. You’re entitled to not show compassion. I’m entitled to show it. I don’t think con artistry is as black and white as it’s easy to assume and judge. Hope that helps.
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity' Someone talking sense! I think if I was on the streets, in all weather, in the constant threat of danger: what little I had being stolen, receiving abuse, being ignored by fellow human beings, loss of respect for self, then I might turn to a habit. When people want to survive they have to be, they have little choice, I'm sure this wasn't in their 5 year plan. I never give food or drink unless when I ask them if there is anything they need they tell me what they want. Who are we to be so high and mighty and decide what someone spends their money on to make what little choices they have left. If someone spends it on a fix then so be it. Come along side them, not stand over them with your high and mighty food and judgement. It's not their money tho. It's mine, that I have worked hard for to support my family, not fund someones habit to make me feel good. How is that helping someone out if their situation? Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice." Yep,you have the luxury of autonomy. I think food banks and charities are a great way to contribute | |||
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"I was once approached by a homeless girl asking for money while I filled my car with fuel on a forecourt. I explained I only had my bank card with me & apologised. She then motioned towards the cash machine at the garage. That REALLY annoyed me. I do my bit for charity but her sense of entitlement rubbed me up the wrong way!" That would annoy me too. I would say no. | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity' Someone talking sense! I think if I was on the streets, in all weather, in the constant threat of danger: what little I had being stolen, receiving abuse, being ignored by fellow human beings, loss of respect for self, then I might turn to a habit. When people want to survive they have to be, they have little choice, I'm sure this wasn't in their 5 year plan. I never give food or drink unless when I ask them if there is anything they need they tell me what they want. Who are we to be so high and mighty and decide what someone spends their money on to make what little choices they have left. If someone spends it on a fix then so be it. Come along side them, not stand over them with your high and mighty food and judgement. It's not their money tho. It's mine, that I have worked hard for to support my family, not fund someones habit to make me feel good. How is that helping someone out if their situation? Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice." Giving with conditions is patronising ... I would sooner someone gave me nothing than stood over me looking down on me. | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity' Someone talking sense! I think if I was on the streets, in all weather, in the constant threat of danger: what little I had being stolen, receiving abuse, being ignored by fellow human beings, loss of respect for self, then I might turn to a habit. When people want to survive they have to be, they have little choice, I'm sure this wasn't in their 5 year plan. I never give food or drink unless when I ask them if there is anything they need they tell me what they want. Who are we to be so high and mighty and decide what someone spends their money on to make what little choices they have left. If someone spends it on a fix then so be it. Come along side them, not stand over them with your high and mighty food and judgement. It's not their money tho. It's mine, that I have worked hard for to support my family, not fund someones habit to make me feel good. How is that helping someone out if their situation? Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice. Yep,you have the luxury of autonomy. I think food banks and charities are a great way to contribute "Absolutely! And at least I am helping in the best way I see fit. Wouldn't it be lovely to live in a world where this debate was not needed, homeless people got the support they needed and the con artists were dealt with by the appropriate authorities, but that ain't the way of the world. So until then I will do what I think is right and contribute my way. | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity' Someone talking sense! I think if I was on the streets, in all weather, in the constant threat of danger: what little I had being stolen, receiving abuse, being ignored by fellow human beings, loss of respect for self, then I might turn to a habit. When people want to survive they have to be, they have little choice, I'm sure this wasn't in their 5 year plan. I never give food or drink unless when I ask them if there is anything they need they tell me what they want. Who are we to be so high and mighty and decide what someone spends their money on to make what little choices they have left. If someone spends it on a fix then so be it. Come along side them, not stand over them with your high and mighty food and judgement. It's not their money tho. It's mine, that I have worked hard for to support my family, not fund someones habit to make me feel good. How is that helping someone out if their situation? Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice. Giving with conditions is patronising ... I would sooner someone gave me nothing than stood over me looking down on me. " What conditions am I imposing on you? I am giving to charity, this is not personally about you, it's about me having a bit of spare cash and chosing what to do with it. Comments like this can put people off helping those in need. | |||
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"Some are homeless some are con artists with newer phones and fags and booze and more money then me. I put stuff in supermarket donate trolleys so the real people in need get the help " I live in a small town so know who is new on the streets. I just talk to the regulars and they will often tell if you are barking up the wrong tree and dealing with someone who is fake. Also if you help out either at a local food bank or homeless centre you get to know the people themselves. Con artists in towns such as mine are rare because they get seen off by the genuinely homeless. But you get your opportunists, especially in cities. But I wouldn't let the few stop me from taking a gamble and helping someone in what little ways I can. Socks, hats, blankets, gloves and actually asking them what they need. If they are begging all day and every one is bringing them food they might not be hungry, but I know £8 can get them a night off the streets here, money can genuinely help and not just go in the wrong place. | |||
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"One night outside Glasgow Royal Concert Hall a homeless guy was sitting with his plastic cup. My then partner went and got him some hot food and a tea . . His angry reaction to this amazed us both. . . "FUCK YOUR FOOD, I want money". . So now I just walk past, It absolutely can happen. Some people on the streets are in entrenched trauma and often reacting to perceived threats constantly. Money can provide ways out of pain. I can’t imagine I’d always be acting my best if in that situation. Charity can be very difficult to accept. If you have nothing all you can do is hang on to your pride and pride is a connected to autonomy. I suspect after many times of being bought food and drink that you haven't chosen for yourself or been asked if you even want a person must feel extremely pissed off. I applaud the generosity of people who give food and drink it's a good thing to do but I would feel humiliated and somehow a lesser person if I had to accept it. I accept that this is an unpopular opinion but having been on the receiving end of charity myself at one point in my life I understand the phrase 'as cold as charity' Someone talking sense! I think if I was on the streets, in all weather, in the constant threat of danger: what little I had being stolen, receiving abuse, being ignored by fellow human beings, loss of respect for self, then I might turn to a habit. When people want to survive they have to be, they have little choice, I'm sure this wasn't in their 5 year plan. I never give food or drink unless when I ask them if there is anything they need they tell me what they want. Who are we to be so high and mighty and decide what someone spends their money on to make what little choices they have left. If someone spends it on a fix then so be it. Come along side them, not stand over them with your high and mighty food and judgement. It's not their money tho. It's mine, that I have worked hard for to support my family, not fund someones habit to make me feel good. How is that helping someone out if their situation? Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice. Giving with conditions is patronising ... I would sooner someone gave me nothing than stood over me looking down on me. " What a very strange comment. I’m sure that’s not what the genuine homeless people think when someone kindly offers them a hot drink and something to eat out of their own hard earned money and the kindness of their heart. Patronising?! | |||
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"Help the homeless Leicester are doing brill works guys, you can see what started off as just 2 good people changing lives. Check them out on Facebook. " "Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice. Giving with conditions is patronising ... I would sooner someone gave me nothing than stood over me looking down on me." So why is my comment about giving to charity patronising but this is not? | |||
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"Help the homeless Leicester are doing brill works guys, you can see what started off as just 2 good people changing lives. Check them out on Facebook. "Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice. Giving with conditions is patronising ... I would sooner someone gave me nothing than stood over me looking down on me." So why is my comment about giving to charity patronising but this is not?" Look, I'm not arguing with you. I never said giving to charity was patronising. What you said above about your money your choice sounded high and mighty. Do what you like, it's your choice, I was trying to say that they have choices to, even if they are homeless and if they don't want a 5th sandwich or sausage roll in a day then they might prefer some money to get them a bed for the night. Even if it's 50p. | |||
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"I've given a few homeless ladies a coffee and a sausage roll before. Never money. I was in town yesterday, I saw 4 homeless guys and each one had a physical injury/issue, it was hard to see especially as my daughter noticed. I felt really bad because I couldn't help them. 2 reasons ~ I'm really skint myself at the moment and the guys looked really aggressive and approachable. " Have you seen the ones in Rome who have Hollywood worthy prosthetics to make them look badly crippled to beg for money? They look utterly convincing till you see videos on YouTube of them suddenly getting up and jumping into a car at the end of their 'shift' | |||
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"Homelessness is a complex issue that is often multi factorial.Sometimes it's mental health issues, non existent family, drug abuse or people who have just fallen on hard economic times...or a combination of any or all. Everyone contributes in their own way and this is based on the feeling of kindness towards their fellow human. Let's not preach from atop our soapbox on which manner is best or not. Kindness is kindness and should be praised, regardless in what form "Preach  | |||
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"Help the homeless Leicester are doing brill works guys, you can see what started off as just 2 good people changing lives. Check them out on Facebook. "Foodbanks - yes. Charities - yes. Handing out cash - no. My money. My choice. Giving with conditions is patronising ... I would sooner someone gave me nothing than stood over me looking down on me." So why is my comment about giving to charity patronising but this is not? Look, I'm not arguing with you. I never said giving to charity was patronising. What you said above about your money your choice sounded high and mighty. Do what you like, it's your choice, I was trying to say that they have choices to, even if they are homeless and if they don't want a 5th sandwich or sausage roll in a day then they might prefer some money to get them a bed for the night. Even if it's 50p. " It is my money. It is my choice. If that offends you thats your issue to deal with. I don't give food anymore. Again my choice after having it thrown back at me. Charity and food banks only from now on. Tho i'm sure that would offend some on here. | |||
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"I've given a few homeless ladies a coffee and a sausage roll before. Never money. I was in town yesterday, I saw 4 homeless guys and each one had a physical injury/issue, it was hard to see especially as my daughter noticed. I felt really bad because I couldn't help them. 2 reasons ~ I'm really skint myself at the moment and the guys looked really aggressive and approachable. Have you seen the ones in Rome who have Hollywood worthy prosthetics to make them look badly crippled to beg for money? They look utterly convincing till you see videos on YouTube of them suddenly getting up and jumping into a car at the end of their 'shift' "No, I've not seen that. One of the men I was talking about was in a wheelchair. He had an injury to his foot. I'm not sure he even had one tbh, the area was really swollen, I thought perhaps he could of had frost bite last winter. One of the other ones, his under eye area was so red and just looked loose, it was hanging down. The other two looked like they had been in a fight. They were together, being really loud and sweary. It's so sad. | |||
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"I can’t understand why in this day and age we have beggars we have a welfare system that takes care of people maybe some chose to be on the streets I never give money to them or people who wave tins in my face but I’ve bought people a warm drink in the past " The welfare system is broken. The homeless are often ineligible.... because they have no home! All will have their own view make their own choices. That is always the way. But many are only 2 paychecks from being homeless too. Where is the
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"I can’t understand why in this day and age we have beggars we have a welfare system that takes care of people maybe some chose to be on the streets I never give money to them or people who wave tins in my face but I’ve bought people a warm drink in the past The welfare system is broken. The homeless are often ineligible.... because they have no home! All will have their own view make their own choices. That is always the way. But many are only 2 paychecks from being homeless too. Where is the
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"I would help anything to do to take them of streets but giving them money or food doesn't help that means you encouraging others to become homles or pretend they are one Encourage others to become homeless? "Yes thats happens alot we all know | |||
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