FabSwingers.com forum: When did gollywog become offensive? ?

By *ny1local OP Man
over a year ago

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I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?"

I bet there were plenty of girls who liked the badges and boys who liked the doll too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That was years ago! I had the Enid Blyton book. Still have somewhere

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By *ny1local OP Man
over a year ago

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I bet, but why's it so offensive now?

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By *iddlesticksMan
over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

"I bet, but why's it so offensive now? "

In reality it was always offensive, it’s just that we’ve since moved on from racial stereotypes.

Wing Commander Guy Gibson VC called his black Labrador ni**er, there’s no evidence he was racist but it wouldn’t be right to do it nowadays.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"I bet, but why's it so offensive now?

In reality it was always offensive, it’s just that we’ve since moved on from racial stereotypes.

Wing Commander Guy Gibson VC called his black Labrador ni**er, there’s no evidence he was racist but it wouldn’t be right to do it nowadays. "

I agree with Mr Fiddlesticks here

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By *c1989Woman
over a year ago

Manchester

Yep. I've known the term to be offensive in all my 30 years.

As other have said they were innocent to begin but then the term was use derogatively. Much like the word gay used to mean happy, then homosexual then it was used by some in a derogatory fashion.

My grandma has a few of the dolls but shes a big collector.

Given they reduce black people to a stereotypical caricature like what was seen in minstrel shows, whilst they do remain part of history that is where they should stay.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Personally I don't find them offensive (maybe because of the shoes I'm standing in). As far as I can see despite some of the connotations you can draw from their historical origin they are not used, adored, played with in a negative way. I think we need to be sensible and not throw the baby out with the bathwater or let cynicism smoother innocence. I am not comfortable with whitewashing the past or tarnishing the innocence that these figures (whatever their more sinister background) have been enjoyed with. However it is also important to understand their history, the wider history context and why some may find them offence. What I think we need to do is veiw these figures in a balanced way that reflects the many angles to this debate. Personally they don't offend me and I wouldn't what to see a toy/character that has been innocently enjoyed by so many for years removed or banded (When used with inocent intent). But neither do I think their mass further production or propagation in culture is a great thing either given the history context that we now are more aware of. They are of there time, used prominently of innocent intent but they are not something we should continue to push and replicate going into the future.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Not in the least offensive ever ......just part of this political correctness nonsense...!!!

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

It was probably always offensive

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By *wholeLotOfRosieWoman
over a year ago

Pontypridd

The word has been used as a slur for many years, and that alone should define it as offensive.

Historically the gollywogs were characterised in books as naughty, mischievous and sometimes downright bad. The modern dolls are caricatures of minstrels (also offensive if you hadn’t already worked it out), but the very old dolls (I think stieff made them) had paws and claws rather than hands, suggesting animals rather than people.

The fact that Robinson’s changed their use of the term is telling. That change would have cost a lot of money, and they wouldn’t have spent it without good reason.

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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago

south west , continental

The term 'Wog' came from what I believe was a naval slang term meaning 'wealthy oriental gentleman'. I always looked apon the 'golliwog' from the jam and the rag doll characters to be quite a jolly character, I never once thought of it in any way as a bad symbol.

In France there is the Banania drink with a senagalese soldier in traditional dress on the front. I know that Senegalese soldiers had their own units in the French army and fought in the trenches during WW1. Banania was also a popular drink with French troops. The character still remains today all be it in a cartoon characture form.

As with a lot of imagery from the past it got lumped in with the racial context and started to offend people. I think there is a fine line between offence and celebration.

It's not a subject that many want to talk about, it's been buried now in the history memory hole, so that's that!

Who's next 'Sunny Jim' maybe.

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By *entileschiWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?"

The why is obvious. The when I'm not sure about.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"It was probably always offensive"

Same as the Black & White Minstrel Show that everybody laughed at back in the day...

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By *ny1local OP Man
over a year ago

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"Yep. I've known the term to be offensive in all my 30 years.

As other have said they were innocent to begin but then the term was use derogatively. Much like the word gay used to mean happy, then homosexual then it was used by some in a derogatory fashion.

My grandma has a few of the dolls but shes a big collector.

Given they reduce black people to a stereotypical caricature like what was seen in minstrel shows, whilst they do remain part of history that is where they should stay.

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but the minstrel shows where hugely popular, and made many people more receptive to a different race/ culture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any form of racial stereotype is racist, whether its considered to be a positive image or a negative one. Characterising a whole group of people as being 'this' irrespective of who they are as a person, revokes their personal identity and is demeaning.

Golliwogs were loved by kids, yes, but they are a textbook example of a racial stereotype. I find them interesting as a marker of how we've developed culturally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep. I've known the term to be offensive in all my 30 years.

As other have said they were innocent to begin but then the term was use derogatively. Much like the word gay used to mean happy, then homosexual then it was used by some in a derogatory fashion.

My grandma has a few of the dolls but shes a big collector.

Given they reduce black people to a stereotypical caricature like what was seen in minstrel shows, whilst they do remain part of history that is where they should stay.

but the minstrel shows where hugely popular, and made many people more receptive to a different race/ culture. "

You can argue that, you can also argue that the shows didn't represent those races or cultures in a fair or positive light. It wasn't African culture that they were representing, just a pastiche of white culture. There weren't too many top hat and cane shows going on in African culture...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?"

Mate, I think you belong in another century if you think this is still up for discussion.

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By *irtybertie69Man
over a year ago

london

As with everything in this country the PC brigade have stomped all over it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?

Mate, I think you belong in another century if you think this is still up for discussion."

This.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive

I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people

If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?

Mate, I think you belong in another century if you think this is still up for discussion.

This. "

Ditto..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to school next to the Robinson's Jam factory in 1980. We knew then it was racist; anything including the word "wog" has deregatory racial inferences, and it's not right to use black caracatures to sell marmalade. I knew that at 11. Do you think differently, OP?

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By *wholeLotOfRosieWoman
over a year ago

Pontypridd

"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive

I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people

If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why "

Yes! That’s spot on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive

I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people

If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why "

Absofuckinglutely!

Not sure how a white person can decide how something that is offensive to black people can decide it's PC gone mad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive

I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people

If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why

Absofuckinglutely!

Not sure how a white person can decide how something that is offensive to black people can decide it's PC gone mad.

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By *dam1971Man
over a year ago

Bedford

"As with everything in this country the PC brigade have stomped all over it "

As with so many things, people who feel a sense of entitlement over certain groups will blame anyone if they have to change

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They became offensive when people started using the term as an offensive term. The dolls and the badges themselves weren't the problem. It was what came after that was and then they became part of the problem "

Agree. It's what we do with the information that makes it right or wrong. The blurred lines of that happen when without the full information we make a judgement that the person is being offensive. This may not be the case but rather they are misunderstood.

We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight."

I would imagine, as a white male you've not had to deal with an awful lot of prejudice?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight."

It’s not ‘a culture of talking offense’ - it’s people finally having the right to say stop to offensive things like cultural appropriation and ‘jokes’ that disparage people’s heritage and culture- either you’re conscious of bias or you’re not

Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence

I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand.

Not so long ago at a party, a friend of mine bemoaned the fact that her white, privileged, privately educated daughter wasn’t accepted by Oxford. She then said, it wasn’t the year Oxbridge was accepting white girls. She said this in all seriousness to me, mixed race, and my response should’ve been, maybe your daughter didn’t get in because there were better candidates- but the sheer delusion of some people, claiming white victimhood because the traditional privileges are no longer something they can take for granted, truly astonishing.

And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time

I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

1987

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"Yep. I've known the term to be offensive in all my 30 years.

As other have said they were innocent to begin but then the term was use derogatively. Much like the word gay used to mean happy, then homosexual then it was used by some in a derogatory fashion.

My grandma has a few of the dolls but shes a big collector.

Given they reduce black people to a stereotypical caricature like what was seen in minstrel shows, whilst they do remain part of history that is where they should stay.

but the minstrel shows where hugely popular, and made many people more receptive to a different race/ culture. "

Hangings, beheadings and stonings were also hugely popular at times, doesnt make them right.

It didnt make people more receptive, it gave them a warped view of an entire race and stereotyped physical attributes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight.

Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence

I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand.

And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time

I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’"

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By *upremexMan
over a year ago

liverpool. huyton. near yewtree

I still have mine" you had to collect the small token of the jam jar. ..I think it was a set of six or I could be wrong. It was along time ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive

I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people

If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why "

This.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight.

Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence

I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand.

And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time

I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’"

Fantastic post.

Someone posted in the 'pride' thread yesterday something that I think is very pertinent on an awful lot of discussions; "equality feels like discrimination to those who used to be privileged"

Tea

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

White people don't get to say they are not offensive that's not how racism works just because something doesn't offend a white person does not mean it isn't offensive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight.

Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence

I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand.

And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time

I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’

Fantastic post.

Someone posted in the 'pride' thread yesterday something that I think is very pertinent on an awful lot of discussions; "equality feels like discrimination to those who used to be privileged"

Tea"

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I have some golly wogs in the loft. Last time we moved I showed my children and when they were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight.

I would imagine, as a white male you've not had to deal with an

awful lot of prejudice?"

MASSIVE assumptions.

What makes you jump to that conclusion? I'm genuinely interested as being white doesn't exclude someone from a lot of prejudice.

I actually work in an environment that is dealing with prejudice on a day to day basis, some very personalised too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them."

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them."

I admit him i’m not very PC and a lot of it drives me mad but I have to agree with the fact that they are right to have been banned. I don’t think this has anything to do with what is seen as political correctness at all.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......"

People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Yes........I am really not too happy about "political correctness". Does nothing for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......

People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views"

No I don’t agree with that. Nothing to do with this thread but I often think political correctness has gone mad and I don’t believe I have offensive views at all. Unfortunately that is how the PC brigade look at things. If someone doesn’t agree with them they must be offensive. Very sad really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......

People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......

People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views"

Especially older people with entrenched views that have rarely been challenged - easier to give it a sneery name like ‘political correctness’ than actually have to face reality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......

People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views

Its not about being PC, if something is commonly accepted as offensive then I think that sound be respected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......

People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views

Especially older people with entrenched views that have rarely been challenged - easier to give it a sneery name like ‘political correctness’ than actually have to face reality"

Spot on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......

People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views

Its not about being PC, if something is commonly accepted as offensive then I think that sound be respected.

Absolutely. As I said, I’m talking in general about political correctness as the other person was. With regards to this thread I totally agree that golliwogs should have been banned as I stated previously in the thread.

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"White people dont get to decide what black or Asian people find offensive

I know it’s painful, but time to listen and pay attention and change behaviour that may offend people

If you’re offended by this post ... time to think hard about why "

So much this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......

People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views

Its not about being PC, if something is commonly accepted as offensive then I think that sound be respected.

I am talking about how things are taken to the extreme. Yes I think golliwogs are offensive. No I don’t think the nursery rhyme baa baa black sheep is offensive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

No its not, it's offensive to many people. So what's political about that?

Everything......

People that complain about 'political correctness gone mad' are just people angry that they are finally being called out for having offensive views

Its not about being PC, if something is commonly accepted as offensive then I think that sound be respected.

I am talking about how things are taken to the extreme. Yes I think golliwogs are offensive. No I don’t think the nursery rhyme baa baa black sheep is offensive. "

Oh I quite agree!

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them."

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays."

Yes, all good examples of political correctness. Can do without any of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays."

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays."

Exactly this. Which is why I object to Lily’s comment. To me that is political correctness gone mad and I don’t see how that makes me offensive.

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?"

I have no idea what you mean by that sorry!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?"

Because otherwise we have sensor everything we say. Not everything is offensive!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?

I have no idea what you mean by that sorry! "

Simple question I would have thought ...

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

Exactly this. Which is why I object to Lily’s comment. To me that is political correctness gone mad and I don’t see how that makes me offensive. "

Yes there is a HUGE difference between those sorts of examples (which are actually mostly urban myths interestingly enough!) vs golliwogs or a less well known one being something like the Pear Soap adverts suggesting that you can “clean” a black child to be white.

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By *entakuruMan
over a year ago

Exeter

Who's next 'Sunny Jim' maybe. "

Kia Ora and Um Bongo.

Racist crows and factual inaccuracies about Congolese diet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a caricature of an African person. You still see them in white enclaves only. Completely insensitive to cling onto them as some sort of good thing of the last.

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?

I have no idea what you mean by that sorry!

Simple question I would have thought ..."

Well clearly not.

I was merely commenting that it’s wrong to suggest that Golliwogs are political correctness gone mad and gave some more appropriate examples of things that are daftly PC. I have no idea what you meant by your comment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?

I have no idea what you mean by that sorry!

Simple question I would have thought ..."

Not really as I don’t understand what you mean either

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By *ania2000Couple
over a year ago

liverpool

"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?"
its always been offensive!! Just like the black n white minstrel show n certain tarzan films !!!oh n certain cowboy films !!! Dont even get me started on disney n popeye n tom n jerry!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?"

Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now.

Example being listed are male/female threads and couplings. The argument is how do we know it's male or female and so is now being seen as offensive. It's being pushed by those who see sexual identity as only in the mind and no longer a physical attribute.

The problem I see with this is it's less object and more subjective. This creates a dilemma as one will constantly be struggling with what others think or see (their view), which then if differs from how you feel in yourself becomes offensive. Remember feelings change and so then can your sexuality from one week/month to another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a caricature of an African person. You still see them in white enclaves only. Completely insensitive to cling onto them as some sort of good thing of the last."

**past

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?

Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now.

Sexuality has nothing to do with that though..

The issues surrounding separating biological sex and gender are definitely a subject I would suggest are best kept to a thread all of its own!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They were assigned to the trash heap years ago, and they should stay there.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?its always been offensive!! Just like the black n white minstrel show n certain tarzan films !!!oh n certain cowboy films !!! Dont even get me started on disney n popeye n tom n jerry!"

People enjoyed these things, they were fun entertainment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?

Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now.

What do you mean by an item?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People enjoyed these things, they were fun entertainment."

Like I said, old and entrenched - hard to accept the changing cultural landscape, even less to accept you might be wrong

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?

Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now.

What do you mean by an item? "

I’ve not come across this being challenged in the courts like they are talking about but I would guess it’s things a Male and Female socket... literally as you would imagine, you insert the Male one into the Female one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People enjoyed these things, they were fun entertainment."

And people enjoyed Bernard Manning. People enjoyed all sorts of things that are no longer acceptable thank goodness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness gone mad..... Let people have opinions, even if you don't agree with them.

“Political correctness” gone mad is nothing to do with this...

It’s things like suggesting we should use chalk board instead of black board, or we can’t sing baa baa black sheep, or we can’t say Merry Christmas and should instead use Happy Holidays.

And what would be so hard about that for you exactly?

Its being challenged in the EU courts now that it's offensive to call an item male or female now.

What do you mean by an item?

Ah OK, thank you.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

People enjoyed these things, they were fun entertainment.

And people enjoyed Bernard Manning. People enjoyed all sorts of things that are no longer acceptable thank goodness. "

Not my personal taste but he had a following. Just let folk enjoy what they choose..... Political correctness not required.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it’s pretty easy to spot the racist on this thread...

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

It's not for the person using them to tell the other person that they're not offended. I can't tell someone else how to feel so I can't tell them not to be offended. It's a little like telling someone that they don't have a broken bone.

If I say something that offends someone then I accept my fault and try to learn from that. Is it so difficult to try and recognise that we get things wrong, that times change and thought processes have to adapt?

To me, people complaining about how things have 'gone mad' are a little like a driver who can't accept that the road marking have changed; "I've always driven like this, so that's how I'm going to continue". No, that's how you're going to hurt someone.

Tea

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Beautifully put.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"I think it’s pretty easy to spot the racist on this thread..."

I have been looking but spotted one yet....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it’s pretty easy to spot the racist on this thread...

I have been looking but spotted one yet....

You are definitely showing a lack of understanding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

No I don’t agree at all. I believe a lot of it has gone mad and your comparison is ridiculous. Outrage about a mother kissing her daughter on the lips - madness. Asking babies and toddlers permission to change their nappy even when they can’t talk - madness. The gentleman on here who was called to Human Resources because he held the door open for a woman and she complained - madness. The incident on the tube stairs where a man offered to carry a woman’s pushchair for her and she kicked off about it saying it was sexist -

Madness.

I could go on forever.

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over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever. "

Totally agree Nora! Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We also now live in a culture of taking offense. It's become accepted that it's becoming our right to take offense. It helps if one is in a minority too as this lends a lot of weight.

Not so long ago it was considered funny to make jokes about domestic violence

I suppose the ‘offensive’ part of anything said is subjective and usually very hard for the perpetrator to understand.

And this in a country where men and women of colour still have to work harder to prove themselves, ALL the time

I can’t educate people on here but suggest, if you’re interested in learning something, read a book called ‘Why I won’t talk to white people about race anymore’"

Thanks for your post. As a few others have also said, white people don't get to decide what is offensive to black/Asian people.

I was too young to articulate it but that damn Golliwog made me so uncomfortable. I grew up being called little black sambo and Mowgli by older neighbours. It's not about being PC or a flower, it's about basic human decency and respect.

You'd think an expansive mind would be part of being sexually open but it's absolutely not. How very sad. Perhaps we should make a book list thread for interested parties?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ps I'm not religious. The niqab is for roleplay with my military men. I like to turn colonial fantasies around. Exoticise me and l'll do it right back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever. "

I didn't think that you would agree with me.

For every example that you've sited though, the person who felt injured by the situation is just as justified in their anger as you feel in yours at the situations. Just because it's you that feels it, it doesn't make it any more 'right' than what they're feeling.

Tea

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By *ENOMMMan
over a year ago

bronx

The fact that the OP felt the need to have this discussion is bewildering. Golliwogs have not been around in years so I'm struggling to see the motive here. Thanks to the women who will always have the courage to stand up against this sort of bullshit.

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever.

I didn't think that you would agree with me.

Tea "

Exactly. Individually I may not agree with any of the examples given by Nora, but who am I to tell another human being their own response to a situation.

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over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever.

I didn't think that you would agree with me.

Tea "

I'm sorry but every single one of those examples the complainer is in the wrong! People now are afraid to help because of victimisation... I hope you never need a hand with anything tbh

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever.

I didn't think that you would agree with me.

Tea

I'm sorry but every single one of those examples the complainer is in the wrong! People now are afraid to help because of victimisation... I hope you never need a hand with anything tbh "

“I hope you never need a hand with anything tbh” - wow.

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

Who's got the popcorn?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever.

I didn't think that you would agree with me.

Tea "

You think I’m in the minority with those thoughts? I don’t. We are pandering to the minority because we are too scared not to. I am more offended by the fact that someone would even think anything of a mother kissing her child on the lips other than for what it actual is - a mother kissing her child. That not only offends me it disturbs me the fact that would even cross someone’s mind.

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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago

North Oxfordshire

Just some food for thought...

If you're ever about to type "political correctness" try replacing it in your head with "being kind to people."

So "this political correctness nonsense" would actually parse as "this being kind to people nonsense."

It can really put things in perspective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know why the OP didn't just google it..

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"1987"

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!!

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over a year ago

I would really like to meet this pc brigade everyone talks about. Sounds like a bunch of people gathering and muttering about things.

It's not the pc brigade gone too far. It's not innocent it's people going this is not acceptable because it lessens the worth, puts down and makes fun of a group of people.

Those that moan or complain about there being nothing wrong with it have properbly not been on the wrong end of a hate campaign just because of one aspect of who you are.

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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago

North Oxfordshire

"And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!!"

Is it because you don't like being kind to people?

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

"1987"

I thought it was removed in 1988?

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By *ENOMMMan
over a year ago

bronx

"Just some food for thought...

If you're ever about to type "political correctness" try replacing it in your head with "being kind to people."

So "this political correctness nonsense" would actually parse as "this being kind to people nonsense."

It can really put things in perspective."

This right here .

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!!

Is it because you don't like being kind to people?"

Brilliant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever. "

Hard to accept change isn’t it when you’ve never had to think twice about what you say and do - that doesn’t make it ‘madness’ - that just makes it awkward and difficult ... for you

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over a year ago

Personally I have no issue with golliwogs and have had a few talks like this including my father who's alot darker than me and we have agreed the word racist or racism are shoved down peoples throat alot more nowadays not because people are more tolerant nowadays but because people now a days want to seem more open minded because I can guarantee alot of coloured folk have owned a golliwog as its a doll and isn't the problem my personal veiw most people don't agree with but I don't mind what's considered a racist joke as long as its a joke and not used to offend or in anger as often I'm the first to make one

as my farther taught me if u take away there power they are just words.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!!

Is it because you don't like being kind to people?"

What has being kind to people to do with Political Correctness? I would submit....nothing.

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By *c1989Woman
over a year ago

Manchester

"And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!!

Is it because you don't like being kind to people?

What has being kind to people to do with Political Correctness? I would submit....nothing."

I would suggest you look up the definition.

Political correctness is being considerate of others so yes in other words being kind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And you wonder why I hold Political Correctness in contempt......??!!

Is it because you don't like being kind to people?

What has being kind to people to do with Political Correctness? I would submit....nothing."

If you look at the history of the term political correctness in the 80s.

The term refers to a preference for inclusive language and avoiding language or behavior that can be seen as excluding, marginalizing, or insulting groups of people considered disadvantaged or discriminated against, especially groups defined by sex or race.

So for me it is about kindness and not making people feel less because they may be different to another group of people

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over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever.

Hard to accept change isn’t it when you’ve never had to think twice about what you say and do - that doesn’t make it ‘madness’ - that just makes it awkward and difficult ... for you "

Not at all. My life is neither awkward or difficult because I’m happy to get on with it without feeling the need to get offended by everything or looking for something to be offended by.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Do not see the connection......

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By *ENOMMMan
over a year ago

bronx

"Personally I have no issue with golliwogs and have had a few talks like this including my father who's alot darker than me and we have agreed the word racist or racism are shoved down peoples throat alot more nowadays not because people are more tolerant nowadays but because people now a days want to seem more open minded because I can guarantee alot of coloured folk have owned a golliwog as its a doll and isn't the problem my personal veiw most people don't agree with but I don't mind what's considered a racist joke as long as its a joke and not used to offend or in anger as often I'm the first to make one

as my farther taught me if u take away there power they are just words. "

This is the dumbest shit I've read soo far . Wtf lol . A racist joke is just that. Racist . What coloured folk are you referring to white folks ,brown ,black? Last I checked we all are different colours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My black African born grandparents use to love the Black and White Minstrel show. They knew it was a bit of a piss-take but still enjoyed the songs and the jokes. To them in Nigeria, it seemed like just another entertainment show and there were precious few of those available on TV in the 70's/80's that they could receive. They only found out it was "offensive" when a white person told them it was

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

"My black African born grandparents use to love the Black and White Minstrel show. They knew it was a bit of a piss-take but still enjoyed the songs and the jokes. To them in Nigeria, it seemed like just another entertainment show and there were precious few of those available on TV in the 70's/80's that they could receive. They only found out it was "offensive" when a white person told them it was

That’s a fair point. I’m not sure it subtracts from any person of colour who didn’t enjoy it and did find it problematic.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Exactly.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Political correctness is not the same as avoiding insult.

Golliwogs were offensive to a group of people that in its own right should end the argument.

A group of people were offended.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Not in the least offensive ever ......just part of this political correctness nonsense...!!! "

says the white person......... why am i not the least be surprise to have this uttered

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By *innie The MinxWoman
over a year ago

Under the Duvet

Let me give you my perspective.

As a mixed race kid growing up in the 79s and early 80s I rarely saw any black English people on TV, unless they were playing to a stereotype (Love Thy Neighbour, Mind Your Language) or were in the Black and White Minstrals. Black toys were a rarity unless they were imported from the US,or you had the Gollywog.

Imagine if the above were the only representations you could find of people like you. Gross caricatures. Imagine how it feels to be called Golly, or Wog, or worse from a young age. My mum and dad actually moved house from Ilford because the neighbour thought it was ok to call my brother Gollywog over the garden fence.

So yes, I'm not a fan of the Golly.

As a postscript, I noticed a fair few gollys in the gift shops of Scarborough and Bridlington last week.

Nice.

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Let me give you my perspective.

So yes, I'm not a fan of the Golly.

As a postscript, I noticed a fair few gollys in the gift shops of Scarborough and Bridlington last week.

Nice.

This is a really interesting perspective. One of my closest “real life” friends is a white woman. She is married to a black man. In their words they have “brown babies”. They have gone out of their way to source toys with different skin colours (the husband even going to the lengths of painting the skin of an elf on the shelf doll!) to ensure a healthy representation of different colours in their house. It’s defonitely improved since when you grew up but it’s nowhere near where it should be!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever.

I didn't think that you would agree with me.

Tea

And I agree with you on that point and I will always hold doors open and offer to help people if I see they need it.

The point that I'm making though is that I can't tell someone not to be offended, I don't know their 'story'. I just try and act with good intentions and clarify or learn if I was wrong. It's the entrenched 'it's always been this way', that causes problems.

Tea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Born 1980, got called this in school and had a fight.. Was racist back then and shit aint changed now. Was living in Watford at the time and was called this by a NF

I will let you decide

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Madness.

I could go on forever.

I didn't think that you would agree with me.

Tea

And I agree with you on that point and I will always hold doors open and offer to help people if I see they need it.

Tea

Or those that say ”come on, it was just a joke”

Maybe funny for you, but not for me.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

"Not in the least offensive ever ......just part of this political correctness nonsense...!!! "

You have never heard the term w*g use in a pejorative manner?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? "

Is there any point in being offensive? Does it make you happy? Do you achieve anything?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as my farther taught me if u take away there power they are just words.

What is considered a racist joke by standard but as we are not offended by it we don't count it as racist rather humour thus no racist power behind it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? "

I would try my hardest to be nice, why would anybody want to be offensive on purpose?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? "

Yes the right to be racist has been removed. Because that is what this thread is about!

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? "

No, you can be offensive. Thing is I can say you’re not very nice if you are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They were always offensive but a certain group of people didn't care when black people pointed it out to them.

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? "

Why would you want to be offensive?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?"

Exactly, don’t get this. I bet they’d have something to say if I was offensive to them, perhaps if I spoke offensively of their profile?

I never would because I believe in empathy.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'm not fussy on Rag Dolly Anna either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone? "

Why would you want to be offensive to people is the question I would ask

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?

Exactly, don’t get this. I bet they’d have something to say if I was offensive to them, perhaps if I spoke offensively of their profile?

I never would because I believe in empathy."

And forum rules!!

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?"

About 40+ year's ago it's not 1960 anymore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When did they become offensive?

When people discovered there was money,jobs/careers,celebrity to be achieved.....from being offended

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?

Exactly, don’t get this. I bet they’d have something to say if I was offensive to them, perhaps if I spoke offensively of their profile?

I never would because I believe in empathy.

And forum rules!!

obviously, but those rules are there for that reason. Or is that the PC brigade overreacting? I think not.

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?

Exactly, don’t get this. I bet they’d have something to say if I was offensive to them, perhaps if I spoke offensively of their profile?

I never would because I believe in empathy."

Exactly! It costs nothing to be nice!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When did they become offensive?

When people discovered there was money,jobs/careers,celebrity to be achieved.....from being offended "

No it was always offensive, things changed when people started to say that behaviour was not right and people should be treated with respect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When did they become offensive?

When people discovered there was money,jobs/careers,celebrity to be achieved.....from being offended

No it was always offensive, things changed when people started to say that behaviour was not right and people should be treated with respect "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not in the least offensive ever ......just part of this political correctness nonsense...!!!

says the white person......... why am i not the least be surprise to have this uttered

To be honest these threads recently are getting old, chocolate, bbc, black only whites only and now golly wogs. I tried to defend and now I'm just.. Whats the point.. They all have something in common they never end well.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

It's what happens when language is hijacked by racists and used for abuse.

The majority shun it from that point on, because they have no desire whatsoever to be associated with racists.

It seems there are some on here who are feeling left out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I don't find them offensive (maybe because of the shoes I'm standing in). As far as I can see despite some of the connotations you can draw from their historical origin they are not used, adored, played with in a negative way. I think we need to be sensible and not throw the baby out with the bathwater or let cynicism smoother innocence. I am not comfortable with whitewashing the past or tarnishing the innocence that these figures (whatever their more sinister background) have been enjoyed with. However it is also important to understand their history, the wider history context and why some may find them offence. What I think we need to do is veiw these figures in a balanced way that reflects the many angles to this debate. Personally they don't offend me and I wouldn't what to see a toy/character that has been innocently enjoyed by so many for years removed or banded (When used with inocent intent). But neither do I think their mass further production or propagation in culture is a great thing either given the history context that we now are more aware of. They are of there time, used prominently of innocent intent but they are not something we should continue to push and replicate going into the future. "

A white person who's not offended by something offensive to black people lol

As a black women who uses this site this thread is a GREAT filter

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?"
I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A white person who's not offended by something offensive to black people lol

As a black women who uses this site this thread is a GREAT filter "

Oh I think it's been a great filter for a lot of people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? "

No!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Comedy, largely, has always been at the expense of somebody else. In the 70's, one guy could tell disabled jokes, racist jokes etc. Now, there are disabled guys telling disabled jokes that people would be shocked by if the comedian was abled, Jewish guys telling Jewish jokes, black guys telling black jokes and so forth. If nothing else, "PC" at least gives jobs to many more second-rate comedians

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? "

Not when there offensive comments are hate filled against a group of people no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? "

I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say....

I have never experienced as much racism in my life as I have done in the forum's. Every single day there is yet another thread about race and racism or preference being racist and so on... It's tiresome and quite frankly boring the heck out of me.

Gollywogs now .. really !!!

What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!!

Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one

.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as my farther taught me if u take away there power they are just words. "

Did this make sense in your head?

So people are allowed to be racist as long as they're joking ?

Wow

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By *winkleFairyCouple
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? "

Ok. Same question then. Why would someone want to be offensive? It makes zero sense to me

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

When I was 11 in 1979 I started secondary school and often I heard the the term golly wog which I knew was on jam jars and also was offensive to the black kids in my school.Unless you are a black person of that era you can not know the upset this caused then and know.

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By *ingle Dad SeekingMan
over a year ago

Northern England

"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say....

Gollywogs now .. really !!!

What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!!

Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one

.....

I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say....

Gollywogs now .. really !!!

What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!!

Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one

.....

I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals. "

Snap!

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive?"
Why would a person want to swing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive?

Why would a person want to swing. "

Yep. Totally the same argument

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say....

Gollywogs now .. really !!!

What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!!

Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one

.....

I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals. "

Oh absolutely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing. "

Not even comparable!

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By *uzukiNo1Woman
over a year ago

Rhyl

"I loved my golly badges,and I'm sure many girls loved a golly doll. So when and why , did it become offensive to talk about gollies.initially a term of description/endearment ?"

I'd love to know when this (your badges) has come up in any kind of conversation in the real world....

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say....

Gollywogs now .. really !!!

What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!!

Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one

.....

I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals.

Snap! "

I can't believe in 2019 people feel the need to even ask such a ridiculous question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As I believe everyone has said in shape of form, times change and things move on which is dictated by society.

It has also been said that because you do not find it offensive, doesn't mean it isn't especially when a number of people have had that term used against them in a derogatory way.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I do hope this thread doesn't get taken down.

It's a very good example of ignorance .

And might actually educate some.

I know that since moving from London down to Portsmouth area I have been astounded by the racism still prevalent in this area.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing.

Not even comparable! "
To some it is very offensive to others it is very normally. Are they not allowed to be offended by it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing.

Not even comparable! To some it is very offensive to others it is very normally. Are they not allowed to be offended by it? "

Not liking or understanding swinging is hardly the same as being deliberately offensive to someone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending? "

I think that you're straying into freedom of speech there.

Yes, you can be offensive if you want to be but remember that freedom of speech doesn't defend you against the consequences of that speech.

Tea

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing.

Not even comparable! "
Oh hello again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

I think that you're straying into freedom of speech there.

Yes, you can be offensive if you want to be but remember that freedom of speech doesn't defend you against the consequences of that speech.

Tea"

Well put.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

I think that you're straying into freedom of speech there.

Yes, you can be offensive if you want to be but remember that freedom of speech doesn't defend you against the consequences of that speech.

Tea"

Absolutely. See we do agree sometimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't really understand why people find it so hard to grasp the concept of people being offended by words or by terms.

Tea

Unfortunately it doesn't quite work like that. I don't like the n word i think it should be stopped from being used so it can die out of the language. But i certainly cannot tell people to stop using it.

I think equality is important and people need to stop looking at things in groups, racial, sexual, whatever and start looking at everyone as people and a community.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do hope this thread doesn't get taken down.

It's a very good example of ignorance .

And might actually educate some.

I know that since moving from London down to Portsmouth area I have been astounded by the racism still prevalent in this area."

It’s so depressing - the fact that this thread is even a thing

There’s no such thing as progress I feel on race issues, just a constant battle against bigotry and ignorance and gleeful delight by some in knowing that you can cause people pain without fear of consequence - white people have no business telling people what they should find offensive AND if they’re told that something is offensive, have the good grace and decency to stop whatever it is - if you’re offended, well then, good

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By *aomilatteCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say....

Gollywogs now .. really !!!

What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!!

Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one

.....

I find these threads useful as a filter - and summarily block these individuals. "

Very, I've just gone over the whole thread and blocked those who's views do not align with my own. Not that they would have tried to message me anyways seen as I am quite clearly not what they would be after.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"Are we now not allowed to be offensive? Is our right to be offensive how been removed? Have we now got to be nice to everyone?

Why would you want to be offensive?I did not say I wanted to be offensive but some people do.Is their right to be offensive not worth defending?

I’m sorry, but I find this difficult to follow. Why would a person want to be offensive? Why would a person want to swing.

Not even comparable! To some it is very offensive to others it is very normally. Are they not allowed to be offended by it?

Not liking or understanding swinging is hardly the same as being deliberately offensive to someone.

"
Can the same not be said about two men or women kissing in the street.They have not set out to deliberately offend anyone. To them it is normal part of their life but because some people do not understand homosexuality their action offend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speaking as a white foreign woman who's in a mixed relationship having given birth and raised two beautiful black children. I have to say....

Gollywogs now .. really !!!

What next ... N****r, cr****r and p**i posts !!!

Are these threads actually just put up to instigate a reaction... Well here's one

.....

Threads like this are one of the reasons I don't even bother coming on this site anymore.

Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but as one sage person stated earlier on; language evolves (unlike some of the people here!).

The Spastic society changed their name to Scope. I guess for some on here that would be too PC, should we still be calling disabled people spastics?

I adore a good debate but one that denigrates others or asks questions that could easily be answered via google just exposes the crassness, stupidity and base ulterior motives of the original questioner.

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