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By *uckscouple2007 OP Couple
over a year ago

Bucks

take it that Syria isn't an oil producing country else we and/or the yanks would have stepped in by now to stop the horrible attacks on the rebels and those caught in the crossfire

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By *am sampsonMan
over a year ago

cwmbran

"take it that Syria isn't an oil producing country else we and/or the yanks would have stepped in by now to stop the horrible attacks on the rebels and those caught in the crossfire "

Too close to Israel

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Call me a cynic, but i think the Yanks did step in and agitate the locals.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

More to do with the geographical and military position of Israel than the oil situation I would guess.....

A lot is put down to the oil subject when recent wars are discussed, but I think it's rarely as simple as that.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Call me a cynic, but i think the Yanks did step in and agitate the locals.

not quite on this one.... the syrians looked at the libyans... who looked at the egyptians.... who looked at the tunisians... who look at a man who burned himself alive in protest...

all those countries had something in common... leaders who were dictators who has lost the connection with the masses and were then out for themselves.....

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

we cant ever win over there,they have a diffrent mindset to us ,we cant understand a country that is prepared to sacrifice their children for their believes(suicide bombers)if you dont understand your enemy you cant win

if they came out in uniforms fighting

a proper war then maybe,but its all done undercover and in secret,look at Vietnam,thats our middle east

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Call me a cynic, but i think the Yanks did step in and agitate the locals.

in fact you could claim that Al-Jazeera probably had more influence on arab opinion that us "yanks" have... just because its coverage was very local and very extensive to the point where countries where trying to get it banned and taken off air...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't quite see how Western powers are to be blamed for not removing Assad.

I think he should be removed and I think western leaders defintely want him removed, but a lot of people in the UK don't believe he should. They don't want another Iraq/Afghanistan situation.

However, I don't think you can put responsibility on the UK and USA when they don't step in.

Military resources are seriously stretched in the West at the moment thanks to the Iraq/Afghan misadventures, and the West cannot lose face by losing a battle.

It's a shitty situation on a lot of levels. Obviously most of us would prefer an intervention of some sort now, but with Russia and China using Assad as a bargaining chip it's tough.

I think that's a seriously stupid policy diplomacy wise on a soft power level, people think China and Russia are assholes on an epic scale right now in the west.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we cant ever win over there,they have a diffrent mindset to us ,we cant understand a country that is prepared to sacrifice their children for their believes(suicide bombers)if you dont understand your enemy you cant win

if they came out in uniforms fighting

a proper war then maybe,but its all done undercover and in secret,look at Vietnam,thats our middle east "

I think you're misinformed. Syria, Lebanon, all those countries are fairly western in comparison to Iraq or Iran. World of difference. Populations are pretty diverse.

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

if they came out in uniforms fighting

a proper war then maybe,but its all done undercover and in secret,look at Vietnam,thats our middle east

I think you're misinformed. Syria, Lebanon, all those countries are fairly western in comparison to Iraq or Iran. World of difference. Populations are pretty diverse."
i stand corrected

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I think it's past time the Arab nations stepped up to the plate.

USA and UK are just two countries in the world, not even world powers can make everything happen.

Also, it's well known that Iran is training and sending mercs into Syria. Whole lot of cold war tactics, like in Africa in the 70s and 80s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"take it that Syria isn't an oil producing country else we and/or the yanks would have stepped in by now to stop the horrible attacks on the rebels and those caught in the crossfire "

Syria does produce oil. Don't you remember when it first kicked off they had problems pulling out all the British workers from the oil fields

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if they came out in uniforms fighting

a proper war then maybe,but its all done undercover and in secret,look at Vietnam,thats our middle east

I think you're misinformed. Syria, Lebanon, all those countries are fairly western in comparison to Iraq or Iran. World of difference. Populations are pretty diverse.i stand corrected"

It's not your fault, it's the media that does this. It's funny you know, in Lebanon the Muslim and Christian populations were totally getting along for something like a thousand years without incidence, and then it all went to hell in the last part of the 20th century. Totally unpredictable, war can happen anywhere.

Today Lebanon is perceived as being 'off the beaten track' in terms of liberality and whatnot, but previously I get the impression it was a bastion of western culture with Asian influences. Funny how things can turn out.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Personally I think it's past time the Arab nations stepped up to the plate.

USA and UK are just two countries in the world, not even world powers can make everything happen.

remember they tried... it was the arab league that made the proposal at the UN Security Council that was put before the masses... and the one that was veto'd by russia and china...

an attack on syria will come from one of two directions... via isreal or some sort of strike by nato via turkey.... turkey and syria has never been the best of friends...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I think it's past time the Arab nations stepped up to the plate.

USA and UK are just two countries in the world, not even world powers can make everything happen.

remember they tried... it was the arab league that made the proposal at the UN Security Council that was put before the masses... and the one that was veto'd by russia and china...

an attack on syria will come from one of two directions... via isreal or some sort of strike by nato via turkey.... turkey and syria has never been the best of friends... "

Yeah, look, I think by now everybody agrees UN resolutions are the biggest bunch of crap. Saudi Arabia, Turkey have very significant military capabilities, far in excess of Assad's forces in technological sophistication.

I could go on, but the UN is about as useful as the League of Nations in 1913 when you get right down to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Arab League are sitting on their hands waiting to see what happens in Syria internally with a view to carving it up for themselves. Nothing would unite the arabs more than the West going into yet another arab country, and a united arab world is something the West doesn't want. We certainly don't need another Saladin, a Kurd who became the first sultan of Eygyt and Syria, and is, in fact, entombed in Damascus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An attack on Syria could not come from Israel, Lebanon and Jordan are in the way (Geographicaly, if not politicaly and militarily).

Another big reason the 'West' won't get involved is that Assad (and his regime) bought lots and lots and LOTS of Russian air defences. Arialy, Syria is one of the best defended nations in the region, we certainly could not afford to loose the hardware and I doubt the US could either.

Another legacy of the folly of the Iraq war, I am afraid....

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"An attack on Syria could not come from Israel, Lebanon and Jordan are in the way (Geographicaly, if not politicaly and militarily).

Another legacy of the folly of the Iraq war, I am afraid...."

September 2006.....Israel attacked Syria, they launched a succesful air attack on a suspected Nuclear reactor construction site....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An attack on Syria could not come from Israel, Lebanon and Jordan are in the way (Geographicaly, if not politicaly and militarily).

Another legacy of the folly of the Iraq war, I am afraid....

September 2006.....Israel attacked Syria, they launched a succesful air attack on a suspected Nuclear reactor construction site...."

But a purely arial campaign would not work in this scenario....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Arab League are sitting on their hands waiting to see what happens in Syria internally with a view to carving it up for themselves. Nothing would unite the arabs more than the West going into yet another arab country, and a united arab world is something the West doesn't want. We certainly don't need another Saladin, a Kurd who became the first sultan of Eygyt and Syria, and is, in fact, entombed in Damascus."

Moslem world you mean. Neither the Iranians nor the Kurds are Arabs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find myself disagreeing with you.....part of the reason the middle east is so difficult to deal with is its factionality. if there were to be a strong integrated central authority then perhaps the arabs would become more confident and open......

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"take it that Syria isn't an oil producing country else we and/or the yanks would have stepped in by now to stop the horrible attacks on the rebels and those caught in the crossfire

Too close to Israel

More than that, its such a complex society, however it does look terrible. Perhaps safehavens as in Sebrinize?(sorry bout spelling)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why is it that the brutal oppression in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia has not been mentioned once on the tv. but Libya/iran n Syria are on tv every day?

the west wants to destablise any countries that are unfriendly to the west/Israel in the region.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why is it that the brutal oppression in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia has not been mentioned once on the tv. but Libya/iran n Syria are on tv every day?

the west wants to destablise any countries that are unfriendly to the west/Israel in the region."
perhaps you don't watch the same tv? newsnight covers both (although, since neither are as intense, not so often) as does today and the world service on radio 4.........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Moslem world you mean. Neither the Iranians nor the Kurds are Arabs."

Saladin was not Iranian (or Persian as it would have been at the time), he was a Kurd, but he was more of an arab than most who were born arabs. He united the moslem world under Islam to defeat the Crusaders and to all intents and purposes he united the arabs in that same cause. Let's not be pedantic here as we both know a man can choose to become something other than what the circumstances of his birth dictate what he should be. Iran may not have joined the Arab League but according to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "More than half the population of Iran are Arabs who live in the plains; the rest are Bakhtyaris and other Lurs (peoples of West Persia), with many Persians in the cities.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"why is it that the brutal oppression in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia has not been mentioned once on the tv. but Libya/iran n Syria are on tv every day?

the west wants to destablise any countries that are unfriendly to the west/Israel in the region."

That would depend on which tv news channels you watch...

If I asked you off the top of your head which channel just won RTS news channel of the year.. No peeking!

Al jazeera English

There news coverage of the entire Arab spring has been fantastic to the point of certain countries at certain points trying to ban them.

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

"why is it that the brutal oppression in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia has not been mentioned once on the tv. but Libya/iran n Syria are on tv every day?

the west wants to destablise any countries that are unfriendly to the west/Israel in the region.

That would depend on which tv news channels you watch...

If I asked you off the top of your head which channel just won RTS news channel of the year.. No peeking!

Al jazeera English

There news coverage of the entire Arab spring has been fantastic to the point

of certain countries at certain points trying to ban them."

Al Jazeera English (sky channel 514) is an excellent unbiased news channel and deserved recipient of the RTS award

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just saw the latest footage from Syria.

Chemical weapons being used.

So sad!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why is it that the brutal oppression in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia has not been mentioned once on the tv. but Libya/iran n Syria are on tv every day?

the west wants to destablise any countries that are unfriendly to the west/Israel in the region.

That would depend on which tv news channels you watch...

If I asked you off the top of your head which channel just won RTS news channel of the year.. No peeking!

Al jazeera English

There news coverage of the entire Arab spring has been fantastic to the point of certain countries at certain points trying to ban them."

The Americans even bombed them during The iraq conflict , best news coverage and one of The few things I watch on TV these days .

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"take it that Syria isn't an oil producing country else we and/or the yanks would have stepped in by now to stop the horrible attacks on the rebels and those caught in the crossfire "

Those so called rebels have a large contingent of al qaeda, the same people this country is fighting in Afghanistan.

Yet the uk and USA are supplying them with weapons

Similar thing happened in Egypt.

When the war first broke out, sky news was backing the rebels, poor rebels this, poor rebels that, as soon as it was brought to light by al jazeera that al Qaeda was fighting on the rebels side they cut back on the coverage of the war. Same with the bbc.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

The Army will probably not take a "front line" stance on Syria for two reasons.

1. As stated, their air defence capabilities are strong, and getting stronger.... Russia are providing equipment and the crews to man them... they call them "trainers" or "observers".

2. Chemical weapons.

Unlike Iraq, who always denied having them, Syria is well known to have a shitload.

How much is a shitload?

Well, just taking nerve agent.... which is lethal, and can kill in seconds, they have 27,000 tonnes!

One tonne (approx 1000 litres) if weaponised, could conceivably wipe out a quarter of the population of a large city.... like London.

And that is just one of a number of chemical weapons they have.

Best case scenario?

The boys from Hereford, backed probably by the Paras, would be sent in to take and hold various sites to in effect negate the Syrians abilities to use these weapons enmasse... leading to a slightly more level playing field for the rebels.

Worst case scenario?

Syria provides these weapons, and Iran provides the missiles to deliver them, to Lebanon, (hoping to draw America into the fight, and stir up anti-US forces) whereupon Israel decides to take out the convoys coming from Iran (happened twice already), and it all kicks off.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".......

Best case scenario?

The boys from Hereford, backed probably by ..........."

It's best practice to say Credenhill.

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By *illycarrolCouple
over a year ago

n/cle on tyne

a very convenient disaster for the warmongering west. children, gas, a horrific action but the last month no news what so ever from syria then bam this ,there is a hidden agenda going on here Abbass would have to be crazy to do this and inflame the western media propaganda against him, there is something very sinister going on here and again the innocent are the victims

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does the OP think that the "rebels" themselves play nicely?

By many accounts they are busy fighting their own factions, now theyre also fighting the Kurds. Not to mention abusing their own people over basics like food.

re UN Resolutions, didnt Russia and China state in advance that they would not support any UN Resolution following the ( predominantly ) US and UK's abuse of the one over Libya?

I recall Hague stating at the time that UK servicemen would not set foot on Libyan soil, never mind actively overthrow the regime. Not true at all.

How many ordinary civilians have benefitted from the Arab Springs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"take it that Syria isn't an oil producing country else we and/or the yanks would have stepped in by now to stop the horrible attacks on the rebels and those caught in the crossfire "
Well I hope to god something is going to be done . We cant all sit back and say no its not our fight ,,,,,,, it is .. we are humans and we look after life and people human rights.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

".......

Best case scenario?

The boys from Hereford, backed probably by ...........

It's best practice to say Credenhill."

Meh, how many people have heard of Credenhill though?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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Meh, how many people have heard of Credenhill though?

You'll get nothing out of me but name, rank and serial number

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

You missed d.o.b., plus they have added religion and blood group now too... So much for not telling them anything lol

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Don't tell them your name, Pike!

Stupid boy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There has been lots of flying going on around here we have some RAF camps last time we had a war same thing loads on night flying ..... makes me think they maybe getting ready or on standby .

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