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"Does it make a different if your a swinger or not, the only thing swingers share in common are they like recreational sex with other people that are not their partners. They still have individual thoughts and ideas. If you where in a motorbike club you would all share an interest in motorbikes but you would all be individuals" I know what you are saying Diamond i was just primarily concerned with the sex and kinks etc Not life in general my bad for not stressing that point xx | |||
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"I don't care what others are into. If I see a profile that states something I wouldn't enjoy or don't agree with, I move on. I don't feel the need to pass it around to get others to agree with my distaste either." Just to say, I've never seen anything illegal sexwise online, but then I don't go looking. | |||
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"I don't care what others are into. If I see a profile that states something I wouldn't enjoy or don't agree with, I move on. I don't feel the need to pass it around to get others to agree with my distaste either." spot on | |||
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"I don't care what others are into. If I see a profile that states something I wouldn't enjoy or don't agree with, I move on. I don't feel the need to pass it around to get others to agree with my distaste either. spot on " +1 We feel the same, sure we have kinks others don't like! | |||
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"I've seen just about every kind of porn there is to see on the net and what surprised me most was how unshocked I was. Horses for courses as far as I'm concerned and if someone wants to do something that someone else doesn't like then it's their problem. Obviously, I don't include sex with children here, which isn't porn." +1 | |||
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"Are you one?? Or do you see something you dont like and get all uppity about it? We kinda all judge stuff to different points but are you so fixed in your opinion that you and only you are right? Are you open to changing your opinions and stance on things if you see what another has written and think oooh ive never thought about it that way before? Or do you uphold your moral high ground?? I realise I may not get fully truthful answers But unless something is illegal and not just moralistically wrong is it not a case of just live and let live??" I like to think that I am constantly learning... I often ask both publicly and privately about stuff that the way I think makes it hard to understand... But if my _iews were set in stone then what would I ever learn... I may have some things that I _iew differently but they are things I've looked at. My biggest change since being with my master is in being prepared to look at others way of thinking but also to evaluate why I may think something... I won't always agree with everyone about anything, but I certainly don't think that My morals are more or less than anyone elses... They are just my morals... I have a few times on these forums held my hands up and admitted that I was being judgmental on occasion and in one case, down right prejudice... I can still disagree with _iews and ideas... But it will always be my _iews and I don't expect anyone to agree.. Cali | |||
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"Are you one?? Or do you see something you dont like and get all uppity about it? We kinda all judge stuff to different points but are you so fixed in your opinion that you and only you are right? Are you open to changing your opinions and stance on things if you see what another has written and think oooh ive never thought about it that way before? Or do you uphold your moral high ground?? I realise I may not get fully truthful answers But unless something is illegal and not just moralistically wrong is it not a case of just live and let live??" I am happy to have my opinion changed.... unless I already know I am right I will stand firm on my moral ground but I don't think it is more of a hill than anyone else’s. I judge all sorts of things in life, though I am comfortable to say I don't judge people for how, where, when, with who or with how many they choose to have sex.... as long as they are at liberty to do whatever it is. Ignorance I have less tolerance of, actually I should say sometimes choose to have less tolerance for…. especially when it's some twat flaunting their lack of understanding like a sky remote (that means to show how much of a cock/cockess they are). | |||
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"Are you one?? Or do you see something you dont like and get all uppity about it? We kinda all judge stuff to different points but are you so fixed in your opinion that you and only you are right? Are you open to changing your opinions and stance on things if you see what another has written and think oooh ive never thought about it that way before? Or do you uphold your moral high ground?? I realise I may not get fully truthful answers But unless something is illegal and not just moralistically wrong is it not a case of just live and let live??" We've been swinging for about 2 years and over that time I'm becoming more tolerant. I have been judgemental at times and have sometimes got uppity about things, remarking about how wrong certain people and sexual acts are, I am quite passionate about my own opinion at times. Over time though and after certain experiences I have become a lot more tolerant. I have certainly listened and read an opinion and realised that I hadn't thought of it in that way before. Sometimes I still think my opinion is right but at least I can see why someone else would come to another opinion. This hasn't been instantaneous, its a slow realisation over time. Still do hold certain judgements, I'm not perfect, am humble enough to admit that though, I'm not some kind of super hero swinger. An example of me becoming more tolerant would be my _iew on bukkake. I used to think it was so degrading for women but after a conversation with a bukkake lover, I can see it as empowering and her being in control. An example of me being uppity would be when I saw a woman in the jacuzzi at Chams having sex with the majority of men in there, just going up to them and lowering herself onto their cocks, every single one bareback. I waited like a coiled spring for her to try it with my OH, I almost placed my hand over his cock for human armour. I don't believe that everyone is as tolerant as they say they are | |||
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"I don't believe that everyone is as tolerant as they say they are " And that is probably the truest thing typed on this post! I haven't done it, but may be interesting to look back as far as possible to see if those who are not judgemental really aren't! Shame the history only goes back 30 posts! lol | |||
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"I don't believe that everyone is as tolerant as they say they are And that is probably the truest thing typed on this post! I haven't done it, but may be interesting to look back as far as possible to see if those who are not judgemental really aren't! Shame the history only goes back 30 posts! lol" I really don't think you'd have to go back that far. Several posts from today would do. | |||
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"Are you one?? Or do you see something you dont like and get all uppity about it? We kinda all judge stuff to different points but are you so fixed in your opinion that you and only you are right? Are you open to changing your opinions and stance on things if you see what another has written and think oooh ive never thought about it that way before? Or do you uphold your moral high ground?? I realise I may not get fully truthful answers But unless something is illegal and not just moralistically wrong is it not a case of just live and let live??" Some forum stuff educates me, some make you laugh with the overwhelming one sided point of _iew, repeat threads,"timewasters",,,"why is it",,"spelling police" now, certainly leave you feeling theres no point in tollerating it, so avoid it, which is a typew of tollerating it i guess. | |||
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"Are you one?? Or do you see something you dont like and get all uppity about it? We kinda all judge stuff to different points but are you so fixed in your opinion that you and only you are right? Are you open to changing your opinions and stance on things if you see what another has written and think oooh ive never thought about it that way before? Or do you uphold your moral high ground?? I realise I may not get fully truthful answers But unless something is illegal and not just moralistically wrong is it not a case of just live and let live??" i dont care about legality, there are several things the law bans, in my _iew for no good reason that i think should be allowed i do not expect anyone to change what they do because of what a stranger says on the internet, but i will not cease to have my moral standards. i am tolerant of things that cause no harm , if i believe harm is caused i will point it out and feck ppl who disagree. Moral equivocation is a crap argument, we all make moral decisions all the time. | |||
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"Does it make a different if your a swinger or not, the only thing swingers share in common are they like recreational sex with other people that are not their partners. They still have individual thoughts and ideas. If you where in a motorbike club you would all share an interest in motorbikes but you would all be individuals I know what you are saying Diamond i was just primarily concerned with the sex and kinks etc Not life in general my bad for not stressing that point xx" ahh just seen this, when it comes to kinks, do whatever you like, i do not like seeing pictures of extreme cock torture, but i do not judge the men who are into it , it turns them on so more power to them | |||
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"... i do not expect anyone to change what they do because of what a stranger says on the internet, but i will not cease to have my moral standards. ." So you haven't read or heard anything to make you rethink what you though about anything??? If you say no, I find that very strange. A simplistic explanation, I used to think there was a father Xmas, then I saw something that made me doubt there was one and then someone told me there wasn't one. Now I know there isn't one. My _iews change and adapt as I learn and understand more, love to all xx | |||
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"... i do not expect anyone to change what they do because of what a stranger says on the internet, but i will not cease to have my moral standards. . So you haven't read or heard anything to make you rethink what you though about anything??? If you say no, I find that very strange. A simplistic explanation, I used to think there was a father Xmas, then I saw something that made me doubt there was one and then someone told me there wasn't one. Now I know there isn't one. My _iews change and adapt as I learn and understand more, love to all xx" My _iews change, but not my beliefs, one is based on opinion, one on what fundamentally makes me , me. As far as sex goes i have become more willing to try things myself, 3 years ago i would have said there is no way i could enjoy pain now i love it. But i never judged or condemned others for enjoying pain. Your comparison to Santa is a basic category error. Soapy is not saying do we belive different things as adults as we did as children. He is asking whether as adults we have had our beliefs or opinions changed. Now of course i could list the time i tried cupcakes and liked them, or added a new ingredient to a recipe after a friends recommendation. However i did not hold strong beliefs on these, and the knowledge imparted did not affect my values. i think part of the reason you may find it difficult to believe is that my _iews on sex have been pretty much fixed since my teens. There was no move from vanilla for me, i just never was. Its like my becoming of a Christian, i do not see it as a conversion, rather that when i discovered what Christianity was, it fitted with what i already believed. There is always an element on threads like this that try to suggest that the more open minded are those who have had their _iews changed by swinging, i would ask why they had such closed minds to start off with. | |||
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"... There is always an element on threads like this that try to suggest that the more open minded are those who have had their _iews changed by swinging, i would ask why they had such closed minds to start off with." Well, as Donald Rumsfeld is quoted as saying (and a very good quote too, I have simplified ) There are things we know we know There are things we think we know There are things we know we don't know there are things we don't know we don't know. Only experiences, information and knowledge can let our minds be opened. Glad your experiencing new things Love to all xx | |||
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"... There is always an element on threads like this that try to suggest that the more open minded are those who have had their _iews changed by swinging, i would ask why they had such closed minds to start off with. Well, as Donald Rumsfeld is quoted as saying (and a very good quote too, I have simplified ) There are things we know we know There are things we think we know There are things we know we don't know there are things we don't know we don't know. Only experiences, information and knowledge can let our minds be opened. Glad your experiencing new things Love to all xx" he did not mention is most important one though did he? | |||
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