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"yes. he had already registered the wesite BEFORE closing the NOTW. the guy is a genius. make himself look humble by closing the one paper down, in dusgust, then wait for the shit to drip clear of the fan and open the exact same paper under a different banner. " Clever yes but is it business or cold hearted and cynical? | |||
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"He's in control of a multi national media corporation.....which makes it good business rather than personal greed. " So corporate greed? Raising funds to pay for all the compensation payouts maybe? | |||
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"suspending em. i thought the police were nicking em. I used to buy the sun and notw for the sports coverage but stopped the day the milly dowler story broke. I only read the i now. I won't be going back to the others" Well they were questioned and the Sun suspended them apparently. Now he is playing hardball reinstated and is going on regardless. I'm not sue if that's for the his good or the staff. | |||
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"yes. he had already registered the wesite BEFORE closing the NOTW. the guy is a genius. make himself look humble by closing the one paper down, in dusgust, then wait for the shit to drip clear of the fan and open the exact same paper under a different banner. Clever yes but is it business or cold hearted and cynical? " you mean there is a difference between cold hearted cynisicm and business. when feelings come into business, mistakes are made, and mistakes cost moeny. | |||
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"There already is a Sunday Sun...its a truly crap paper...so no need to change anything "thanks for telling him that.... the sunday sun is a lovely north east rag that went thru a nasty phase of outing any north east club that opening.... and got them all shut down... | |||
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"yes. he had already registered the wesite BEFORE closing the NOTW. the guy is a genius. make himself look humble by closing the one paper down, in dusgust, then wait for the shit to drip clear of the fan and open the exact same paper under a different banner. Clever yes but is it business or cold hearted and cynical? you mean there is a difference between cold hearted cynisicm and business. when feelings come into business, mistakes are made, and mistakes cost moeny." The man fascinates me and scares me at the same time. It will be interesting to see if the police end up sending some to jail. | |||
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"There already is a Sunday Sun...its a truly crap paper...so no need to change anything
thanks for telling him that.... the sunday sun is a lovely north east rag that went thru a nasty phase of outing any north east club that opening.... and got them all shut down..."That's why I titled it The Sunday Sun as I was aware of the local paper as there are local papers called the star like the national version. | |||
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"Britain is almost alone in the way certain sections of our society hate success and people who make a success of themselves. Elsewhere in the world it is applauded and honoured....here we have a dislike of anyone else making it in life. Probably an envy mentality amongst sections of our nation?" I don't. I'm just not keen on someone who's employees hack into murdered teenagers mobile phones | |||
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"Britain is almost alone in the way certain sections of our society hate success and people who make a success of themselves. Elsewhere in the world it is applauded and honoured....here we have a dislike of anyone else making it in life. Probably an envy mentality amongst sections of our nation?" I think you have a point there although there is negativity towards success in countries who have communist political parties. I do think there is venom in the UK though. I frankly think success is good for many reasons but do feel uneasy at the way the UK press works and what it will do for a story. | |||
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"Britain is almost alone in the way certain sections of our society hate success and people who make a success of themselves. Elsewhere in the world it is applauded and honoured....here we have a dislike of anyone else making it in life. Probably an envy mentality amongst sections of our nation?" I am surprised that you of all people, with your Islington right-on _iews, want to attribute the distaste many millions of people feel towards Rupert Murdoch's malevolent influence on British public life to envy. Your patronising theory falls at the first hurdle. Richard Branson regularly makes the top ten most respected people in this country, albeit partly due to clever image management. Murdoch, Dacre, Maxwell, Desmond. Cancers on our society. | |||
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"Britain is almost alone in the way certain sections of our society hate success and people who make a success of themselves. Elsewhere in the world it is applauded and honoured....here we have a dislike of anyone else making it in life. Probably an envy mentality amongst sections of our nation? I am surprised that you of all people, with your Islington right-on _iews, want to attribute the distaste many millions of people feel towards Rupert Murdoch's malevolent influence on British public life to envy. Your patronising theory falls at the first hurdle. Richard Branson regularly makes the top ten most respected people in this country, albeit partly due to clever image management. Murdoch, Dacre, Maxwell, Desmond. Cancers on our society. " Islington right on? | |||
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"Rupert Murdoch is planning on printing the Sun on Sunday 6 months after the NOTW shutting down. He has also halted all suspension of staff till the police investigation is concluded. Is this a shrewd business move or the act of a greedy man?" We've had a Sunday Sun for quite a while - it is also shit, but doesn't have the history of publishing what we now call kiddieporn.... | |||
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"Rupert Murdoch is planning on printing the Sun on Sunday 6 months after the NOTW shutting down. He has also halted all suspension of staff till the police investigation is concluded. Is this a shrewd business move or the act of a greedy man? We've had a Sunday Sun for quite a while - it is also shit, but doesn't have the history of publishing what we now call kiddieporn...." What a strange thing to say.... | |||
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even we could see this happening - just surprised it took so long to be honest xx | |||
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"Rupert Murdoch is planning on printing the Sun on Sunday 6 months after the NOTW shutting down. He has also halted all suspension of staff till the police investigation is concluded. Is this a shrewd business move or the act of a greedy man? We've had a Sunday Sun for quite a while - it is also shit, but doesn't have the history of publishing what we now call kiddieporn.... What a strange thing to say...." Why? Get caught with a pic of a topless 16yr old on your laptop now, and it's an absolute offence of producing an indecent picture of a child. To quote Wikipedia "Samantha Fox, Maria Whittaker, Debee Ashby, and others began their topless modelling careers in The Sun at the age of 16" To continue the quote from Wikipedia "In 2003, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 raised the minimum legal age for topless modelling to 18." So Murdoch made his money publishing what would now be called child porn by the law... Or, as the avergae Richard Littlejohn reader would no doubt say 'He's a fucking nonce guv....' | |||
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"Rupert Murdoch is planning on printing the Sun on Sunday 6 months after the NOTW shutting down. He has also halted all suspension of staff till the police investigation is concluded. Is this a shrewd business move or the act of a greedy man?" That means seven days or bullshit, lies and exclusive supposition...that paper is a crock of shit, aimed at people who find the Star to 'wordy' | |||
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"Rupert Murdoch is planning on printing the Sun on Sunday 6 months after the NOTW shutting down. He has also halted all suspension of staff till the police investigation is concluded. Is this a shrewd business move or the act of a greedy man? That means seven days or bullshit, lies and exclusive supposition...that paper is a crock of shit, aimed at people who find the Star to 'wordy'" The Star wordy!  | |||
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"Rupert Murdoch is planning on printing the Sun on Sunday 6 months after the NOTW shutting down. He has also halted all suspension of staff till the police investigation is concluded. Is this a shrewd business move or the act of a greedy man? That means seven days or bullshit, lies and exclusive supposition...that paper is a crock of shit, aimed at people who find the Star to 'wordy' The Star wordy! "Could be a typo and they meant Worldly | |||
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"Rupert Murdoch is planning on printing the Sun on Sunday 6 months after the NOTW shutting down. He has also halted all suspension of staff till the police investigation is concluded. Is this a shrewd business move or the act of a greedy man? That means seven days or bullshit, lies and exclusive supposition...that paper is a crock of shit, aimed at people who find the Star to 'wordy' The Star wordy!
Could be a typo and they meant Worldly "I don't see it as either in fairness. | |||
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"yes. he had already registered the wesite BEFORE closing the NOTW. the guy is a genius. make himself look humble by closing the one paper down, in dusgust, then wait for the shit to drip clear of the fan and open the exact same paper under a different banner. Clever yes but is it business or cold hearted and cynical? " I never get this attitude. He's a business man. What do you want him to do ? | |||
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"yes. he had already registered the wesite BEFORE closing the NOTW. the guy is a genius. make himself look humble by closing the one paper down, in dusgust, then wait for the shit to drip clear of the fan and open the exact same paper under a different banner. Clever yes but is it business or cold hearted and cynical? I never get this attitude. He's a business man. What do you want him to do ?" perform within a socially accetable and ethical manner. i too run a business all within a strong personal code which excercises respect for fellow humans. a policy of accecptance of this carry on doesnt make it right | |||
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"yes. he had already registered the wesite BEFORE closing the NOTW. the guy is a genius. make himself look humble by closing the one paper down, in dusgust, then wait for the shit to drip clear of the fan and open the exact same paper under a different banner. Clever yes but is it business or cold hearted and cynical? I never get this attitude. He's a business man. What do you want him to do ?" His new paper won't be selling many copies in your city! | |||
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"yes. he had already registered the wesite BEFORE closing the NOTW. the guy is a genius. make himself look humble by closing the one paper down, in dusgust, then wait for the shit to drip clear of the fan and open the exact same paper under a different banner. Clever yes but is it business or cold hearted and cynical? I never get this attitude. He's a business man. What do you want him to do ? His new paper won't be selling many copies in your city!" It won't and you won't find may in the city with a good word for him. The man is pure evil. | |||
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"yes. he had already registered the wesite BEFORE closing the NOTW. the guy is a genius. make himself look humble by closing the one paper down, in dusgust, then wait for the shit to drip clear of the fan and open the exact same paper under a different banner. Clever yes but is it business or cold hearted and cynical? " is there a difference these days? | |||
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"Britain is almost alone in the way certain sections of our society hate success and people who make a success of themselves. Elsewhere in the world it is applauded and honoured....here we have a dislike of anyone else making it in life. Probably an envy mentality amongst sections of our nation?" Yes we are all envious of Rupert Murdoch aren't we? It is this envy which causes us to dislike him.It has nothing to do with the fact that he is obscenely rich when so many people live in abject poverty and got there by being utterly ruthless and unprincipled, and completely devoid of humanity,as the Dowler family learnt. And if Rupert Mudoch is your idea of a 'successful person" who should be applauded,I hate to think who else is on your list . Stalin perhaps? After all, he was even more successful than Rupert Murdoch and even more ruthless. | |||
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"Britain is almost alone in the way certain sections of our society hate success and people who make a success of themselves. Elsewhere in the world it is applauded and honoured....here we have a dislike of anyone else making it in life. Probably an envy mentality amongst sections of our nation?" Yes we are all envious of Rupert Murdoch aren't we? It is this envy which causes us to dislike him.It has nothing to do with the fact that he is obscenely rich when so many people live in abject poverty and got there by being utterly ruthless and unprincipled, and completely devoid of humanity,as the Dowler family learnt. And if Rupert Mudoch is your idea of a 'successful person" who should be applauded,I hate to think who else is on your list . Stalin perhaps? After all, he was even more successful than Rupert Murdoch and even more ruthless. | |||
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"Britain is almost alone in the way certain sections of our society hate success and people who make a success of themselves. Elsewhere in the world it is applauded and honoured....here we have a dislike of anyone else making it in life. Probably an envy mentality amongst sections of our nation? Yes we are all envious of Rupert Murdoch aren't we? It is this envy which causes us to dislike him.It has nothing to do with the fact that he is obscenely rich when so many people live in abject poverty and got there by being utterly ruthless and unprincipled, and completely devoid of humanity,as the Dowler family learnt. And if Rupert Mudoch is your idea of a 'successful person" who should be applauded,I hate to think who else is on your list . Stalin perhaps? After all, he was even more successful than Rupert Murdoch and even more ruthless. " Who mentioned 'all'? Did I say everyone (as in all) are envious and dislike success in those who achieve it? And he is 'obscenely rich' by working for it, by taking chances business wise when others didn't....and as for your Stalin comments about me, you seriously need to grow up a bit. There will always be those in life who are succesful, those that are not but are happy to be that way (probably the vast majority of the population), but those who whinge and moan about people that become succesful through hard work are the onlookers who can't stomach anyone else making it. As the Aussies call that group....whinging Poms. | |||
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"Britain is almost alone in the way certain sections of our society hate success and people who make a success of themselves. Elsewhere in the world it is applauded and honoured....here we have a dislike of anyone else making it in life. Probably an envy mentality amongst sections of our nation? Yes we are all envious of Rupert Murdoch aren't we? It is this envy which causes us to dislike him.It has nothing to do with the fact that he is obscenely rich when so many people live in abject poverty and got there by being utterly ruthless and unprincipled, and completely devoid of humanity,as the Dowler family learnt. And if Rupert Mudoch is your idea of a 'successful person" who should be applauded,I hate to think who else is on your list . Stalin perhaps? After all, he was even more successful than Rupert Murdoch and even more ruthless. Who mentioned 'all'? Did I say everyone (as in all) are envious and dislike success in those who achieve it? And he is 'obscenely rich' by working for it, by taking chances business wise when others didn't....and as for your Stalin comments about me, you seriously need to grow up a bit. There will always be those in life who are succesful, those that are not but are happy to be that way (probably the vast majority of the population), but those who whinge and moan about people that become succesful through hard work are the onlookers who can't stomach anyone else making it. As the Aussies call that group....whinging Poms. "  | |||
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" there are lots that cant stand red ken!." yeah there is..strangely most of these live outside London where Ken has served his whole political career. Do you think they believe everything they read in the papers? | |||
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"Rupert Murdoch is planning on printing the Sun on Sunday 6 months after the NOTW shutting down. He has also halted all suspension of staff till the police investigation is concluded. Is this a shrewd business move or the act of a greedy man? We've had a Sunday Sun for quite a while - it is also shit, but doesn't have the history of publishing what we now call kiddieporn.... What a strange thing to say.... Why? Get caught with a pic of a topless 16yr old on your laptop now, and it's an absolute offence of producing an indecent picture of a child. To quote Wikipedia "Samantha Fox, Maria Whittaker, Debee Ashby, and others began their topless modelling careers in The Sun at the age of 16" To continue the quote from Wikipedia "In 2003, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 raised the minimum legal age for topless modelling to 18." So Murdoch made his money publishing what would now be called child porn by the law... Or, as the avergae Richard Littlejohn reader would no doubt say 'He's a fucking nonce guv....'" Shall we have retrospective action taken regarding ALL new laws then?...backtrack prosecutions whenever a new law is introduced or one is changed? | |||
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"the sunday scum, a prime example of murdochs gutter press pedling celebrity sensational shite news storys....ill stick with toliet paper.." Fortunately it's a British newspaper and not an Irish one....so no worries for you. | |||
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" Shall we have retrospective action taken regarding ALL new laws then?...backtrack prosecutions whenever a new law is introduced or one is changed? " If we do I'm Royally fucked | |||
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" Shall we have retrospective action taken regarding ALL new laws then?...backtrack prosecutions whenever a new law is introduced or one is changed? If we do I'm Royally fucked "Most of us....if not all....would be. I certainly would | |||
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"I read an interesting article in one of Siren's mags the other week. The author of the article is a journo, obviously, and he wanted ot lift the lid on which news stories are selecting for print, which of them are true and what is deemed palletable for us to digest. He went on to say that what is printed is only 70% of the truth but 100% of it is truthful. He also mentioned that reporters don't go into detail about how bad a decompising human cadaver smells because it's considered to awful to leave to reader's own imaginations. He then covered the subject of celebrities and would it surprise you to learn that EVERY celebrity who denies a story publicly via their PR agent has in fact been paid for that story and inter_iewed for it. They do it for the publicity. How does this all relate to Murdoch? Well, he's in the slime buisness and knows it better than anyone else, so before anyone condemns him or his newspapers for hacking into the phones of celebrities it's worth remembering that they seek publicity only when they've been paid for it, and many of them are being paid out for it now. (The Milly Dowler hack was unforgivable and it is right that he had to answer for it). Will I refuse to buy Murdoch's newspapers? Will I hell as like, I always read the NOTW for the football section (not interested in who Jordan is screwing today tvm), and in the immediate aftermath of the cloure of the NOTW I tried a couple of other papers and they didn't even come close in terms of sports reporting. Yeah, I'll buy the Sun on Sunday, and if it resembles the NOTW, even better." What about the defamation of Christopher Jefferies (the landlord of Joanna Yeates) and Robert Murat(the Madeline Mccann Suspect)? Seems that the Sun feels like it can libel ordinary people more because they know a lot of them find it hard to find the money to sue them. | |||
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"I think to be fair the Joanna Yeates landlord knew exactly what he was doing when he put himself firmly in the picture for her murder, if you look at the police statements on the matter they show that not once did Jefferies confirm nor deny involvement...he seemed to revel at being in the spotlight at the time.....a very lonely and troubled man. Not everyone is an 'ordinary' person....some are sponges for attention and soak it up." That's very unfair to say and the treatment he received was appalling. I think the man was startled and not looking to in the frame for a crime. | |||
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"I think to be fair the Joanna Yeates landlord knew exactly what he was doing when he put himself firmly in the picture for her murder, if you look at the police statements on the matter they show that not once did Jefferies confirm nor deny involvement...he seemed to revel at being in the spotlight at the time.....a very lonely and troubled man. Not everyone is an 'ordinary' person....some are sponges for attention and soak it up." I dont remember reading anything about police statements, because the police are very restricted on what information they can release into the public domain, so not to prejudice any future trial. My understanding is they can only release the age of a suspect and not give any other information that could intentify a suspect until they are charged. I read some of the stuff written about him at the time, and knew he would have a very good case for libel if he wasnt charged. | |||
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"coming next weekend now.... so the question is... are you going to buy the news of the.... oops... sun on sunday??? "Defiantly. | |||
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"I won't be buying it myself....but good luck to them and hope it creates lots of jobs." | |||
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"the sunday scum, a prime example of murdochs gutter press pedling celebrity sensational shite news storys....ill stick with toliet paper.. Fortunately it's a British newspaper and not an Irish one....so no worries for you." Wrong. There is also the Irish Sun which is producing the Irish Sun on Sundays. | |||
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"I think to be fair the Joanna Yeates landlord knew exactly what he was doing when he put himself firmly in the picture for her murder, if you look at the police statements on the matter they show that not once did Jefferies confirm nor deny involvement...he seemed to revel at being in the spotlight at the time.....a very lonely and troubled man. Not everyone is an 'ordinary' person....some are sponges for attention and soak it up." Or he saw the £££ signs rining up with every minute he was being mistreated by the police and the press. And he got a handsome payout too in the end. Sounds like a shrewd bloke to me. | |||
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"I won't be buying it myself....but good luck to them and hope it creates lots of jobs." For someone so quick to make pronouncements about the fallibility and sheer unacceptability of the _iews and beliefs of various forumistas on here, you seem very willing to forgive Rupert Murdoch's world _iew. Does your journo hubby have some connection to his media empire? | |||
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"I won't be buying it myself....but good luck to them and hope it creates lots of jobs. For someone so quick to make pronouncements about the fallibility and sheer unacceptability of the _iews and beliefs of various forumistas on here, you seem very willing to forgive Rupert Murdoch's world _iew. Does your journo hubby have some connection to his media empire?" My husband hasn't worked in Journalism for many a year......and it was music publications. But hey....you lump everyone who works in that field together if it makes you feel happy....knock yourself out. | |||
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"I'd do the same to be honest good on him xx "Even the phone hacking? | |||
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Even the phone hacking?"That's gotta be the most dense statement I've ever read on here. Of course he doesn't mean the phone hacking. | |||
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