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"A joyous subject you started without any concentration it would seem "Haha was just thinking the same... I though he meant sex camps lol | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them" Why would people visit them? | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?" Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz" Kind of like going to memorials? | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz Kind of like going to memorials? " yes. Im going on a tour next month. Amsterdam, prague, krakov, Walsal, berlin and nuremberg and we are going to the holocust memorials and consentration camps. I think i can emotionally cope with it now | |||
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"I used to live not far from Belsen Bergen,when I visited which was on a beautiful sunny day it was hard to comprehend what went on there. It certainly makes you think about thing's and how grateful I was not to be live through that absolute horror." so far ive only been to fort breedonk which was a holding camp and that was bad enough | |||
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"I was in Krakow a couple of years ago but didn't visit Auschwitz as I felt my mood wasn't bouyant enough - but will go in future. It's a pity there are Holocaust deniers around today." Its absolutly amazing that people can still denie it happened | |||
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"Colditz was fascinating as well." Dont think we are going to colditz im not sure now | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz Kind of like going to memorials? yes. Im going on a tour next month. Amsterdam, prague, krakov, Walsal, berlin and nuremberg and we are going to the holocust memorials and consentration camps. I think i can emotionally cope with it now" That's some tour you're doing,it's a lot to take on. | |||
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"A joyous subject you started without any concentration it would seem
Haha was just thinking the same... I though he meant sex camps lol"Bit more concentration needed,it's a woman! | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz Kind of like going to memorials? yes. Im going on a tour next month. Amsterdam, prague, krakov, Walsal, berlin and nuremberg and we are going to the holocust memorials and consentration camps. I think i can emotionally cope with it now" Is that the tour Jay booked? I couldn't go to any. Hope you cope ok. | |||
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"I used to live not far from Belsen Bergen,when I visited which was on a beautiful sunny day it was hard to comprehend what went on there. It certainly makes you think about thing's and how grateful I was not to be live through that absolute horror." This was my one and only camp visit. Like you I didn’t live far away, my father took me when I started to ask questions at the age of 8. It is a day ingrained in my mind... a sunny day, an eerily silence and hard to comprehend what happened and get my head around when told what the numbers meant etched on a plate on the side of each mound My son has the same questions and I still can’t explain to him why | |||
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"Not been to any but have talked about going to Germany with my Mum to see the path my grandparents took when fleeing the Russians, only to be put into a camp in Germany. They met in a camp and somehow managed to get over here.. but were so traumatised by what they lived through that they took it to the grave. " Gosh,did you know your grandparents? | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them" I'm going to visit Aushwitz one day. Im not sure we can appreciate the true horror unless we get a feel of the place. I know several people who've been. Every single person has said "you HAVE to go" The raw emotion is palpable... | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz Kind of like going to memorials? yes. Im going on a tour next month. Amsterdam, prague, krakov, Walsal, berlin and nuremberg and we are going to the holocust memorials and consentration camps. I think i can emotionally cope with it now That's some tour you're doing,it's a lot to take on. " yes we are going for 14 days. We will have a lot of downtown to site see in general to balance things out | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?" same reasons people visit museums I suppose | |||
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"Not been to any but have talked about going to Germany with my Mum to see the path my grandparents took when fleeing the Russians, only to be put into a camp in Germany. They met in a camp and somehow managed to get over here.. but were so traumatised by what they lived through that they took it to the grave. Gosh,did you know your grandparents? " Yes.. my mum was born in an attic shared by 4 refugee families in Oxford. Still have nanna but she's 98 and has dementia.. lost grandad 17 years ago. They could never get past one sentence.. such incredible people.. | |||
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"We visited Krakow purely with the intention of visiting the camps there.. It is an emotional thing when your there but the most noticeable thing to us was that within the camps there was not a single bird to be seen anywhere yet outside the fences there were many.. A very poignant sign we felt... "  | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz Kind of like going to memorials? yes. Im going on a tour next month. Amsterdam, prague, krakov, Walsal, berlin and nuremberg and we are going to the holocust memorials and consentration camps. I think i can emotionally cope with it now Is that the tour Jay booked? I couldn't go to any. Hope you cope ok. " yes with him being jewish its something we discuss a lot. Im so uneducated. I cried my eyes out when we went to the holocaust memorial. But its something ive wanted to do for ages | |||
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"I used to live not far from Belsen Bergen,when I visited which was on a beautiful sunny day it was hard to comprehend what went on there. It certainly makes you think about thing's and how grateful I was not to be live through that absolute horror. This was my one and only camp visit. Like you I didn’t live far away, my father took me when I started to ask questions at the age of 8. It is a day ingrained in my mind... a sunny day, an eerily silence and hard to comprehend what happened and get my head around when told what the numbers meant etched on a plate on the side of each mound My son has the same questions and I still can’t explain to him why " Where did you live? | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz Kind of like going to memorials? yes. Im going on a tour next month. Amsterdam, prague, krakov, Walsal, berlin and nuremberg and we are going to the holocust memorials and consentration camps. I think i can emotionally cope with it now Is that the tour Jay booked? I couldn't go to any. Hope you cope ok. yes with him being jewish its something we discuss a lot. Im so uneducated. I cried my eyes out when we went to the holocaust memorial. But its something ive wanted to do for ages"  | |||
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"I used to live not far from Belsen Bergen,when I visited which was on a beautiful sunny day it was hard to comprehend what went on there. It certainly makes you think about thing's and how grateful I was not to be live through that absolute horror. This was my one and only camp visit. Like you I didn’t live far away, my father took me when I started to ask questions at the age of 8. It is a day ingrained in my mind... a sunny day, an eerily silence and hard to comprehend what happened and get my head around when told what the numbers meant etched on a plate on the side of each mound My son has the same questions and I still can’t explain to him why Where did you live?" We were in Celle at the time | |||
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"We visited Krakow purely with the intention of visiting the camps there.. It is an emotional thing when your there but the most noticeable thing to us was that within the camps there was not a single bird to be seen anywhere yet outside the fences there were many.. A very poignant sign we felt... " | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them I'm going to visit Aushwitz one day. Im not sure we can appreciate the true horror unless we get a feel of the place. I know several people who've been. Every single person has said "you HAVE to go" The raw emotion is palpable..." Yes. Im 54 and only now think i can handle it | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz Kind of like going to memorials? yes. Im going on a tour next month. Amsterdam, prague, krakov, Walsal, berlin and nuremberg and we are going to the holocust memorials and consentration camps. I think i can emotionally cope with it now That's some tour you're doing,it's a lot to take on. yes we are going for 14 days. We will have a lot of downtown to site see in general to balance things out" You'll need it I think. | |||
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"I used to live not far from Belsen Bergen,when I visited which was on a beautiful sunny day it was hard to comprehend what went on there. It certainly makes you think about thing's and how grateful I was not to be live through that absolute horror. This was my one and only camp visit. Like you I didn’t live far away, my father took me when I started to ask questions at the age of 8. It is a day ingrained in my mind... a sunny day, an eerily silence and hard to comprehend what happened and get my head around when told what the numbers meant etched on a plate on the side of each mound My son has the same questions and I still can’t explain to him why Where did you live? We were in Celle at the time " Oh right we used to go shopping there,I lived in Fallingbostel for 12 year's. | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz Kind of like going to memorials? yes. Im going on a tour next month. Amsterdam, prague, krakov, Walsal, berlin and nuremberg and we are going to the holocust memorials and consentration camps. I think i can emotionally cope with it now That's some tour you're doing,it's a lot to take on. yes we are going for 14 days. We will have a lot of downtown to site see in general to balance things out You'll need it I think." yes definetly. We have three days in prague and three in berlin. So will find plenty to do | |||
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"Not been to any but have talked about going to Germany with my Mum to see the path my grandparents took when fleeing the Russians, only to be put into a camp in Germany. They met in a camp and somehow managed to get over here.. but were so traumatised by what they lived through that they took it to the grave. Gosh,did you know your grandparents? Yes.. my mum was born in an attic shared by 4 refugee families in Oxford. Still have nanna but she's 98 and has dementia.. lost grandad 17 years ago. They could never get past one sentence.. such incredible people.. " It's great that you knew them,they certainly went through a lot by the sounds of it. | |||
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"I used to live not far from Belsen Bergen,when I visited which was on a beautiful sunny day it was hard to comprehend what went on there. It certainly makes you think about thing's and how grateful I was not to be live through that absolute horror. This was my one and only camp visit. Like you I didn’t live far away, my father took me when I started to ask questions at the age of 8. It is a day ingrained in my mind... a sunny day, an eerily silence and hard to comprehend what happened and get my head around when told what the numbers meant etched on a plate on the side of each mound My son has the same questions and I still can’t explain to him why Where did you live? We were in Celle at the time Oh right we used to go shopping there,I lived in Fallingbostel for 12 year's." Was in Celle for 5 years, great place to grow up, so many fond memories of my time there | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?Education. Im doing a tour of some next month including belson and alshwietz Kind of like going to memorials? yes. Im going on a tour next month. Amsterdam, prague, krakov, Walsal, berlin and nuremberg and we are going to the holocust memorials and consentration camps. I think i can emotionally cope with it now That's some tour you're doing,it's a lot to take on. yes we are going for 14 days. We will have a lot of downtown to site see in general to balance things out You'll need it I think.yes definetly. We have three days in prague and three in berlin. So will find plenty to do" Berlin is a great place from what I remember. | |||
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Haha was just thinking the same... I though he meant sex camps lol"The OP is a she | |||
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"It is something I would love to do but put off for the fear of how it would effect me emotionally and re impact it could have on my mental health. It seems wrong to say I hope you enjoy it but I guess you know what I mean "yes i know what you mean. But weve discussed over the years the impact it will have on me. I said further up i was bad enough at a holding camp and holocaust mememorial but im just going to let the emotion out as i wont be the only one affected | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them I'm going to visit Aushwitz one day. Im not sure we can appreciate the true horror unless we get a feel of the place. I know several people who've been. Every single person has said "you HAVE to go" The raw emotion is palpable... Yes. Im 54 and only now think i can handle it" Your post has reminded me, I'm booking a trip for next year. Thanks OP. | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them?" I have read and read this and really can't understand why the question? Was it to join in with the first few people or a genuine question of why someone would want to visit a memorial? | |||
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"A joyous subject you started without any concentration it would seem "A tad shitty....? | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them I'm going to visit Aushwitz one day. Im not sure we can appreciate the true horror unless we get a feel of the place. I know several people who've been. Every single person has said "you HAVE to go" The raw emotion is palpable... Yes. Im 54 and only now think i can handle it Your post has reminded me, I'm booking a trip for next year. Thanks OP." There are lots of tours out there and battlefield tours as well | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened"Thats why im going. Jay has taught me so much and its now time to see it for myself | |||
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"Im glad i posted this its become a really interesting thread" Really has! I haven't ever been to one but I'm not certain I need to. I think they're very valuable as a reminder of how bad people can be when they abdicate personal responsibility. | |||
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"Im glad i posted this its become a really interesting thread" Knowing that it's something that happened so recently, within the lifetime of my grandparents is a sobering thought. Listening to the hate often that surrounds us, I really wonder at what we've learnt and how far we've come forwards. I watched a genocide documentary at the imperial war museum a couple of years ago. I cried throughout the whole thing. An older gentleman was sat next to me, just transfixed. He'd obviously seen it first hand. On his way out he reached out and squeezed my shoulder. One of the most touching things I've ever experienced. | |||
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"Not been to any but have talked about going to Germany with my Mum to see the path my grandparents took when fleeing the Russians, only to be put into a camp in Germany. They met in a camp and somehow managed to get over here.. but were so traumatised by what they lived through that they took it to the grave. Gosh,did you know your grandparents? Yes.. my mum was born in an attic shared by 4 refugee families in Oxford. Still have nanna but she's 98 and has dementia.. lost grandad 17 years ago. They could never get past one sentence.. such incredible people.. It's great that you knew them,they certainly went through a lot by the sounds of it. " Very much so.. it's truly mind blowing what our grandparents generation went through. Unimaginable. | |||
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"Im glad i posted this its become a really interesting thread Knowing that it's something that happened so recently, within the lifetime of my grandparents is a sobering thought. Listening to the hate often that surrounds us, I really wonder at what we've learnt and how far we've come forwards. I watched a genocide documentary at the imperial war museum a couple of years ago. I cried throughout the whole thing. An older gentleman was sat next to me, just transfixed. He'd obviously seen it first hand. On his way out he reached out and squeezed my shoulder. One of the most touching things I've ever experienced. " The poigent thing for me is that my partner is a 76 year old jew. He was born to a single mother (his father died when she was pregnant)If he had been born in Germany rather than England they would of been first in the gas chambers | |||
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"I've been to Auschwitz as part of university trip. I can tell you right now, there will be nothing enjoyable about the tour if you choose to go. The place can and most likely will make you feel sad, depressed and sick to your stomach. The moment I walked in, I had a feeling as if I'm walking on dead bodies, the commentary from the tour guide just makes it worse." I think in these days of glorified cinematic violence, computer games where people are harmed without remorse or emotion, completely devoid of consequence and humanity, a trip that can evoke such strong emotions is highly recommended. | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them? I have read and read this and really can't understand why the question? Was it to join in with the first few people or a genuine question of why someone would want to visit a memorial?" No it's an absolutely genuine question. I can understand why people would want to visit a memorial, to pay their respects. I'm still reading the thread. There's also other atrocities still going on today around the world. It's not just history, it's present. | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened"This is awful, about the kids jumping around. So disrespectful of their parents to allow it. | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them" I have been to Auschwitz 4 times. It well and truly boggled my mind being stood on the exact spot where these horrific crimes took place. Each time I came away feeling incredibly humble. | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
This is awful, about the kids jumping around. So disrespectful of their parents to allow it. "Very much so. | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
This is awful, about the kids jumping around. So disrespectful of their parents to allow it.
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them" Around 6 or 7 years ago I had 4 days or so in Zakopane and then stayed in the outskirts of Krakow for a similar amount of time. From Krakow I caught a train to Oswiecim and then walked the 25 minutes or so to Auschwitz 1. Auschwitz 1 has been developed as a museum. This may not work if you're taking a group but I found it better not to go round with a guide. For me they move round too quick and you don't really get chance to take it in. There are loads of English speaking guided groups walking round and it's easy to listen in when you feel the need. It's important to read the letters home from poor inhabitants on display in the entrance hall, it puts you in the sombre mood you need to be in to take everything in. It's equally important to stick to the route, see every hut in order and make sure you enter the buildings where you supposed to. Not all of the huts are open every day, I've been twice and there's one hut in particular that took my breath away when I walked in both times. Auschwitz 2 (Birkenhau) is around 30 minutes or more walk from Auschtwitz 1. There is a free bus but it doesn't run so often, it's worth checking the timetable posted on the bus stop outside the cafe. Taxis are plentiful and not overly expensive Birkenhau has not been turned into a museum as such, it's pretty much left as it was when the Nazis departed. This site had the bigger effect on me because it hasn't been developed like the other has, nothing added, nothing taken away. When you stand at the entrance where the trains used to pull in, it really hits home just how vast an operation this was. Overall, two things really struck me. Firstly, I just couldn't comprehend how it happened. How did so many people comply or just turn their backs and/or follow orders for it to happen. I'd have said it was impossible for 'ordinary' people to be so weak-willed but obviously it wasn't and maybe still isn't. The other thing that struck me was how recent it was. We're just a few generations down the line, it's impossible to say that it couldn't happen again on such a scale. I liken it to the slave trade era, it's just a shame that there isn't an equally fitting memorial to that instead of it being brushed under the carpet whilst the pigeons are shitting on the statues of the 'heroes' who oversaw it. If you get chance, take in the salt mines at Wieliczka, around 40 minutes the other side of Krakow. Whoever thinks that 'salt mine' doesn't belong in the same sentence as 'fascinating day out' really needs to see this place. Southern Poland is amazing. Around 2 hours apart by bus, the Zakopane and Krakow trip is well worth a week of anybody's life, if they're looking for an alternative to a week on the Costas. | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
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That kind of thing happens all the time at the holocaust memorial in Berlin. At least the kids can claim not to know any better. "I'm guessing you mean the maze pillar looking memorial. I can confirm there are kids jumping on them and parents watching them do it. Same goes for people taking selfies at the Auschwitz sign. | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Around 6 or 7 years ago I had 4 days or so in Zakopane and then stayed in the outskirts of Krakow for a similar amount of time. From Krakow I caught a train to Oswiecim and then walked the 25 minutes or so to Auschwitz 1. Auschwitz 1 has been developed as a museum. This may not work if you're taking a group but I found it better not to go round with a guide. For me they move round too quick and you don't really get chance to take it in. There are loads of English speaking guided groups walking round and it's easy to listen in when you feel the need. It's important to read the letters home from poor inhabitants on display in the entrance hall, it puts you in the sombre mood you need to be in to take everything in. It's equally important to stick to the route, see every hut in order and make sure you enter the buildings where you supposed to. Not all of the huts are open every day, I've been twice and there's one hut in particular that took my breath away when I walked in both times. Auschwitz 2 (Birkenhau) is around 30 minutes or more walk from Auschtwitz 1. There is a free bus but it doesn't run so often, it's worth checking the timetable posted on the bus stop outside the cafe. Taxis are plentiful and not overly expensive Birkenhau has not been turned into a museum as such, it's pretty much left as it was when the Nazis departed. This site had the bigger effect on me because it hasn't been developed like the other has, nothing added, nothing taken away. When you stand at the entrance where the trains used to pull in, it really hits home just how vast an operation this was. Overall, two things really struck me. Firstly, I just couldn't comprehend how it happened. How did so many people comply or just turn their backs and/or follow orders for it to happen. I'd have said it was impossible for 'ordinary' people to be so weak-willed but obviously it wasn't and maybe still isn't. The other thing that struck me was how recent it was. We're just a few generations down the line, it's impossible to say that it couldn't happen again on such a scale. I liken it to the slave trade era, it's just a shame that there isn't an equally fitting memorial to that instead of it being brushed under the carpet whilst the pigeons are shitting on the statues of the 'heroes' who oversaw it. If you get chance, take in the salt mines at Wieliczka, around 40 minutes the other side of Krakow. Whoever thinks that 'salt mine' doesn't belong in the same sentence as 'fascinating day out' really needs to see this place. Southern Poland is amazing. Around 2 hours apart by bus, the Zakopane and Krakow trip is well worth a week of anybody's life, if they're looking for an alternative to a week on the Costas." Thank you. Very informative | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Around 6 or 7 years ago I had 4 days or so in Zakopane and then stayed in the outskirts of Krakow for a similar amount of time. From Krakow I caught a train to Oswiecim and then walked the 25 minutes or so to Auschwitz 1. Auschwitz 1 has been developed as a museum. This may not work if you're taking a group but I found it better not to go round with a guide. For me they move round too quick and you don't really get chance to take it in. There are loads of English speaking guided groups walking round and it's easy to listen in when you feel the need. It's important to read the letters home from poor inhabitants on display in the entrance hall, it puts you in the sombre mood you need to be in to take everything in. It's equally important to stick to the route, see every hut in order and make sure you enter the buildings where you supposed to. Not all of the huts are open every day, I've been twice and there's one hut in particular that took my breath away when I walked in both times. Auschwitz 2 (Birkenhau) is around 30 minutes or more walk from Auschtwitz 1. There is a free bus but it doesn't run so often, it's worth checking the timetable posted on the bus stop outside the cafe. Taxis are plentiful and not overly expensive Birkenhau has not been turned into a museum as such, it's pretty much left as it was when the Nazis departed. This site had the bigger effect on me because it hasn't been developed like the other has, nothing added, nothing taken away. When you stand at the entrance where the trains used to pull in, it really hits home just how vast an operation this was. Overall, two things really struck me. Firstly, I just couldn't comprehend how it happened. How did so many people comply or just turn their backs and/or follow orders for it to happen. I'd have said it was impossible for 'ordinary' people to be so weak-willed but obviously it wasn't and maybe still isn't. The other thing that struck me was how recent it was. We're just a few generations down the line, it's impossible to say that it couldn't happen again on such a scale. I liken it to the slave trade era, it's just a shame that there isn't an equally fitting memorial to that instead of it being brushed under the carpet whilst the pigeons are shitting on the statues of the 'heroes' who oversaw it. If you get chance, take in the salt mines at Wieliczka, around 40 minutes the other side of Krakow. Whoever thinks that 'salt mine' doesn't belong in the same sentence as 'fascinating day out' really needs to see this place. Southern Poland is amazing. Around 2 hours apart by bus, the Zakopane and Krakow trip is well worth a week of anybody's life, if they're looking for an alternative to a week on the Costas." Great information. | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them" I haven't been to one yet but would like to along with the war graves in France. I think it's important to understand and remember history. | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
This is awful, about the kids jumping around. So disrespectful of their parents to allow it.
Very much so.
That kind of thing happens all the time at the holocaust memorial in Berlin. At least the kids can claim not to know any better.
Sounds like it needs a little barrier around it to remind people to be respectful."In relation to a barrier around the holocaust memorial in Berlin, I disagree. My son was 7 when I took him to Berlin, he had lots of questions as we walked through the rows of stones.. “why are they all different heights”, “why is the floor not flat”. In terms he would understand I represented all the different age groups of men, women and children that were killed. As for the floor, I explained for me it represents the disorientation and confusion that those individuals were feeling, not understanding why or what is happening to them People need to be more respectful, but unfortunately there will always be those that aren’t or don’t understand how their actions or their child actions affect others | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them I haven't been to one yet but would like to along with the war graves in France. I think it's important to understand and remember history." Theres a big well known war grave in belguim. The name escapes me but there was 4 of us and none of us could physically speak | |||
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"I have been to both Auschwitz camps and it’s very emotional, I was amazed by the scale of both and the very personal art of acts at Auschwitz one I found it very moving. I was on a tour with a guide who gave us lots of information and I learned a lot from it. The tour was a bit rushed (you’ll see there’s a lot of tour parties) and I would have liked to have spent more time to acknowledge what happened there. Word of warning there is a gas chamber that’s open and you can walk through it if you feel ok about that " Thankyou and thanks for the pre warning | |||
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"There was a German prison camp in Britain ! (Alderney -Channel Islands) 700+ inmates died." Yes. The last time any of the a British Isles have been occupied. The underground German hospital on Jersey was fascinating to visit and the gunsites and bunkers dotted around the island. | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
This is awful, about the kids jumping around. So disrespectful of their parents to allow it.
Very much so.
That kind of thing happens all the time at the holocaust memorial in Berlin. At least the kids can claim not to know any better.
Sounds like it needs a little barrier around it to remind people to be respectful.
In relation to a barrier around the holocaust memorial in Berlin, I disagree. My son was 7 when I took him to Berlin, he had lots of questions as we walked through the rows of stones.. “why are they all different heights”, “why is the floor not flat”. In terms he would understand I represented all the different age groups of men, women and children that were killed. As for the floor, I explained for me it represents the disorientation and confusion that those individuals were feeling, not understanding why or what is happening to them
People need to be more respectful, but unfortunately there will always be those that aren’t or don’t understand how their actions or their child actions affect others "Oh right,I don't actually know what it looks like. | |||
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"I used to live not far from Belsen Bergen,when I visited which was on a beautiful sunny day it was hard to comprehend what went on there. It certainly makes you think about thing's and how grateful I was not to be live through that absolute horror." I have visited there. What struck me was the complete lack of wildlife. No birds, no little mammals, nothing. The eerie silence of the place was spine chilling. | |||
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"I have been to both Auschwitz camps and it’s very emotional, I was amazed by the scale of both and the very personal art of acts at Auschwitz one I found it very moving. I was on a tour with a guide who gave us lots of information and I learned a lot from it. The tour was a bit rushed (you’ll see there’s a lot of tour parties) and I would have liked to have spent more time to acknowledge what happened there. Word of warning there is a gas chamber that’s open and you can walk through it if you feel ok about that " In all the 4 times I have been to both camps, I made my own way there on the service bus, and went round both sites on my own. That way, you can stop and have your own thoughts, and try to take it all in without someone shouting "ok people, next block" or "10 minutes and back on the bus"....... | |||
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"I used to live not far from Belsen Bergen,when I visited which was on a beautiful sunny day it was hard to comprehend what went on there. It certainly makes you think about thing's and how grateful I was not to be live through that absolute horror. I have visited there. What struck me was the complete lack of wildlife. No birds, no little mammals, nothing. The eerie silence of the place was spine chilling. " This is a memory of mine too, no birds, no sounds, just silence. The only wildlife I saw was lots of red ants. Something I’ve never forgotten | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them" This has been a fantastic thread. Humbling and inspiring. My current favourite thread. Thanks op. | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them This has been a fantastic thread. Humbling and inspiring. My current favourite thread. Thanks op." Your welcome my thoughts exactly. Was abit unsure how the thread would go after the start but so glad i posted it | |||
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"I will do a thread when i get back of my experiences" Look forward to hearing your thoughts. | |||
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The camp is also surrounded by residential houses which suggest it was bollocks that the German civilian population claimed to not know what was going on there. It's a shocking, upsetting and eerie place but worth a visit to learn about it as a warning from history. | |||
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"I used to live not far from Belsen Bergen,when I visited which was on a beautiful sunny day it was hard to comprehend what went on there. It certainly makes you think about thing's and how grateful I was not to be live through that absolute horror. I have visited there. What struck me was the complete lack of wildlife. No birds, no little mammals, nothing. The eerie silence of the place was spine chilling. " We went there when we were both based in BAOR some 34 ish years ago and were struck by the same lack of normal life once we entered.. Truly heartbreaking.. | |||
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"Went to the Holocaust museum at Ollerton in Nottinghamshire last year and found it rather moving. Watched Denial on BBC iPlayer and really wanted to punch the Professor (who denied that the gas chambers ever happened) on the nose lol" yes i went to the holocaust memorial. I lost the plot in the memorial gardens and im now a sponser of them | |||
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"OP, if you have 3 days in Berlin ... The Olympic Stadium is testament to the Nazi Regime. The perimeter buildings are far more interesting than the main stadium imho The resistance museum - centred around the courtyard were von Stauffenberg was executed for his part in the plot to kill Hitler The Russian-German museum in Karlshorst is a bit of a trek, but that is where WW2 in Europe effectively ended - the Russians decided the German officer who signed the surrender in France wasn't senior enough, so a more senior officer signed a second surrender in here If you want peace and tranquility Garten die Welt is a lovely place to spend an afternoon, but again a bit of a trek. --- Warsaw - go see the changing of the guard at the Polish War Memorial The old town is beautiful, but not that old because basically it was flattened The Jewish Ghetto is inspiring The political prisoner museum not so much One thing sticks in my mind - prisoners were forced to sit on a bench and stare at a blank wall for hours on end If they closed their eyes or slumped, then it was game over Again, cruelty on the most basic of levels " thanks bussy. Im going to write things from this thread down before we go. | |||
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"I visited Auschwitz when travelling and it's rightly a sober place which brings home the atrocities which occured. Given my sexuality, I would likely have ended up in one. Sadly, there are concentration camps right now in Chechnya where they are rounding up LGBT people and killing them. "Now this year? | |||
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"I visited Auschwitz when travelling and it's rightly a sober place which brings home the atrocities which occured. Given my sexuality, I would likely have ended up in one. Sadly, there are concentration camps right now in Chechnya where they are rounding up LGBT people and killing them.
Now this year?"Fraid so ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Chechnya | |||
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"I visited Auschwitz when travelling and it's rightly a sober place which brings home the atrocities which occured. Given my sexuality, I would likely have ended up in one. Sadly, there are concentration camps right now in Chechnya where they are rounding up LGBT people and killing them.
Now this year?"Yes. Sadly. | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
This is awful, about the kids jumping around. So disrespectful of their parents to allow it.
Very much so.
That kind of thing happens all the time at the holocaust memorial in Berlin. At least the kids can claim not to know any better.
Sounds like it needs a little barrier around it to remind people to be respectful."It isn't designed that way , it is like a maze where you walk inbetween. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTwcpeb7C1E | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
This is awful, about the kids jumping around. So disrespectful of their parents to allow it.
Very much so.
That kind of thing happens all the time at the holocaust memorial in Berlin. At least the kids can claim not to know any better.
Sounds like it needs a little barrier around it to remind people to be respectful.
It isn't designed that way , it is like a maze where you walk inbetween.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTwcpeb7C1E"Well that was nothing like I imagined it to be! Thankyou | |||
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"Yes I will go one day. I went to a survivors talk last year. He was such an amazing man with such spirit. If he ever meets Hitler in the afterlife he will simply tell him about his beautiful family. " Precisely. They can as well turn in their graves like ventilators from seeing our children enjoy life. | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
This is awful, about the kids jumping around. So disrespectful of their parents to allow it.
Very much so.
That kind of thing happens all the time at the holocaust memorial in Berlin. At least the kids can claim not to know any better.
Sounds like it needs a little barrier around it to remind people to be respectful.
It isn't designed that way , it is like a maze where you walk inbetween.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTwcpeb7C1E
Well that was nothing like I imagined it to be! Thankyou"Yeah it isn't well received by a lot of people either, mainly because they thought it should have the many many names on it.... but another poster described well what it is about further up the thread | |||
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"To the OP...I keep saying I want to go to one , I know of people who have been and it affected them deeply so I don't know if I can do it or not. I did go to the Jewish memorial in Berlin and the exhibition there and as much as I thought it really stark when you end up in the middle of it it seems really serene..until you walked to one end and found kids jumping from one to the other and their parents watching them
I think schools have trips to concentration camps, I don't think it does anyone any harm to feel the full horror of what happened
This is awful, about the kids jumping around. So disrespectful of their parents to allow it.
Very much so.
That kind of thing happens all the time at the holocaust memorial in Berlin. At least the kids can claim not to know any better.
Sounds like it needs a little barrier around it to remind people to be respectful.
It isn't designed that way , it is like a maze where you walk inbetween.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTwcpeb7C1E
Well that was nothing like I imagined it to be! Thankyou
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them Why would people visit them? same reasons people visit museums I suppose " It is beyond most people's comprehension, so a visit a visit to a site gives you a better perspective. | |||
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" Oh I thought by the looks of it with my poor eyesight names on it. " No they are plain concrete blocks and seems stark, even more so when you get to the very high ones | |||
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"The Holocaust Museum in Washington DC was humbling too On the way in, you get an ID card and number On the way out, you find out whether you lived or died I died" Fuck. That hammers it home. | |||
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"Another largely unsung hero of The Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler I think it is important to recognise the amongst all the madness, angels soared They risked their necks and those of their families and associates to try and save, at least, a few " Yes. A big fat yes!!!! | |||
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"I know joyous subject. Whose interested and which have you been too. How did it affect you going to them" It's not something I (hev)have ever thought about doing, I think it would effect me greatly . However something that has effected my life and influenced me regarding materialism....... At secondary school we had a Jewish religious education teacher a lovely lady. I was looked after in the library lunchtimes by this lady after being off sick for some time. One day we were talking and she told me and a friend about the day she and her family hid in a cupboard whilst the Germans came round, smashing everything up, including her mother's best China. She said she never kept anything for best.. Her family did not survive. The following year after she told me, she died herself. I have always remembered her, such a lovely lady. Telling me her story was so brave, I was 13 at the time. At school we were banned from talking about the Nazis and the war. | |||
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"I would love to learn more about what happened...but if I'm honest, I find it all too hard hitting! I think I'd just sob the whole time. " That was pretty much my experience. Especially when looking at the personal belongings. For some reason that really drove it home to me. | |||
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